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Nomos Underrated as Ever (406)

Published on Sat, 12 Sep 2026 14:51:17 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the Forty and Twenty podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss their upcoming trips to Europe, with Andrew heading to London, Luxembourg, and the Dutch Grand Prix at Zandvoort, while Everett prepares for his own European adventure. The conversation then shifts to their main topic: watches.

The hosts cover an impressive range of new releases and collaborations, including the Boulder Venture wind-up collaboration, Singer's Heritage V72 watches featuring restored Valjoux 72 movements, Tag Heuer's Dutch Orange Formula One Solar Graph commemorating Zandvoort's final F1 race, and Nomos's new Tangente with ring date complication. They also discuss stone dial watches from Brew and Maine, Fears' retirement Brunswick 40.5 jump hour release, and Casio's continuing evolution of their Edifice automatic line. Throughout the episode, they debate pricing, value propositions, and design choices while expressing both excitement and skepticism about various releases. The episode concludes with "other things," including recommendations for True Classic t-shirts and a cautiously pessimistic review of the new Ted Lasso season's premiere episode.

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Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to Fortyand20, the WatchClicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm good. I'm all full of enchilada.
Andrew Yes. Which is never
Everett a bad place to be. And Lime Lager?
Andrew And Lime Lager. Uh also
Everett never a bad place to be. No, I'm doing really well, Andrew. The um the excitement for my Europe trip is building. Uh I'm still a few weeks off, but um y you're less than that from your Europe trip.
Andrew I'm I'm days out. Uh yeah, I'm the I'm I'm I kind of crescendoed my excitement for it because I had a little bit of a of a debacle this morning with respect to flight confirmation numbers and like I knew I had a flight, but I uh the airlines couldn't tell me on what airplane I was supposed to be getting on. Uh so I got that I got that sorted. But now I'm in kind of like a uh nerves oh yeah I'm packing and like there's things that I would be using not necessarily on a day to day basis but they're like now in a suitcase and I'm like every day rechecking my bag. Oh
Everett yeah. uh so I'm in that like what
Andrew am I forgetting kind of thing. But I also know I'm going I'm I'm going to a developed country. If I forget it, I'll just buy it while I'm
Everett there. Right. Right the there there will be something akin to a CVS.
Andrew Yeah. Well no, I I I'm not gonna be short on Zen. Fret not. Uh that's that's good. But everything else uh you know
Everett oh I was thinking toothbrush. But I
Andrew will remember a toothbrush. And also CDS no
Everett longer sells tobacco. I
Andrew guess I'm not going to CVS anymore. Walgreens does, don't they? Oh no, because they're they're they're pharmacies. And they were like, actually, if we're gonna be
Everett if we're gonna be saying that we're uh
Andrew you know health conscious, we should maybe, you know, stop having the best tobacco prices in town.
Everett Right. Right. That is what happened. Um
Andrew I recall that. Yeah. Because it was. Walgreens and CVS were they always had the best prices.
Everett Right. It's the buying of bulk stuff, mine.
Andrew Yeah. Uh but yeah, so I'm I'm my my excitement is is crescendoing. It's kind of it's transitioned a little bit into nerves because I've never traveled uh internationally by myself before. So
Everett yeah. Uh but barring that, I'm I'm pretty
Andrew excited. I you're not really
Everett by yourself, but the traveling portion will be
Andrew Yeah, like I have to leave these United States and enter a a foreign country solo.
Everett And if you get if you get absconded at customs, nobody will be there with you to know it.
Andrew Yeah. You'll just we' justll be like, where did Andrew
Everett go? Yeah, I'd like I I have to I'm gonna
Andrew I'm gonna double dip my my foil packets and wax just to make sure that nothing you know, there's no no mishaps. Um
Everett put put an air tick air air tag in your butt so we we have a lock on your location.
Andrew That's already there. That's been there for m months. The charging is a little bit uncomfortable. Yeah, no, I'm I'm chipped up.
Everett Okay, good. good, good, good. Uh but yeah, no, I'm
Andrew I too am excited. Um I'm gonna spend a few days in London. I'm gonna hit up Christopher Ward, hit up Fears, um, and then on to Luxembourg, and then to Zandvoort for the Dutch Grand Prix, and then back to Luxembourg for a little bit and then back to America and going to the happiest place on earth for a couple days after that.
Everett Sweet. Yeah. It's gonna be a
Andrew it's gonna I I'm I'm excited. It's a lot of
Everett 'cause the kids are excited, but to like come back from
Andrew Europe to then go to like
Everett jet lagged. Jet lagged
Andrew on the on the heels of a two-week vacation. In
Everett line for Pirates of the Caribbean. Into
Andrew one of like the most stressful Do
Everett they still have Indiana Jones or did they re No,
Andrew Indiana Jones is still there. But the last couple times we've they're they're it's hard to say if they're uh slowly renovating it or if they're just like patching the holes. It's probably due for like about a year-long closure. Um And there's a different section where none of the lights work, or like you break down somewhere on the track. And uh
Everett that was always my favorite. I really liked it. Best.
Andrew It is the best. Um, but it's it's just it's maybe in need of a little TLC.
Everett Last time I was there, the Star Wars section was still under construction.
Andrew That's the one of the coolest places ever been in the world.
Everett Almost done. And Splash Mountain was being renovated. So uh that Splas
Andrew Mountain is fully renovated. Right. Princess and the Frog
Everett is that? Uh yeah, it's Tiana's Bayou
Andrew Adventure. Yeah. The Star Wars land is the only time I've had a similar like immediate reaction to an environment is going into the Harry Potter world at Universal Studios where you're just immediately transported and
Everett diagonal. Like, oh my gosh,
Andrew this is fantastic.
Everett Yeah. The soundscape is great. Like
Andrew you you're in Star Wars and there's stormtroopers wandering about.
Everett That's cool. Um they
Andrew have they have Star Wars soundscape that's just like like you really f it's perhaps more immersive than anywhere else in Disneyland. And I think it's on purpose. But it's it's really, really immersive. The same way the the Harry Potter land is at Universal. That's
Everett cool. You know, the Simpsons world is just like, oh, there's
Andrew Simpsons buildings and um but the Harry Potter section. And I'm not even a Harry Potter fan.
Everett Yeah. But I walked in and I was like, this is
Andrew cool. This is cool. Well, I will be in
Everett Edinburgh in a couple weeks, which is actually where uh Thou Who Shall Not Be Named wrote the first Harry Potter book. So there's a few places in Edinburgh that you can go that they say this is actually the inspiration. Inspiration. That'd be cool. Yeah. Um, but yeah, in any event,
Everett we're not here to talk about Europe or Disneyland or Star Wars. Rather, we're here to talk about watches.
Andrew We could though. Yeah. Andrew, do you have
Everett any qualms about about leading us off to I
Andrew I you know, I think I'm ready. I it's first time in a long time that I am coming prepared to
Everett begin. Uh
Andrew we have a cool wind up and boulder collaboration for their third iteration of the windup Boulder Venture lineup. So this is a Boulder Venture, right? And this is a I I think Boulder is a brand that gets slept on.
Everett Yeah, I would say so. Because
Andrew they they had that made this huge splash when they kind of came onto the scene and went in this burgeoning independent small watch brand world. And then they never really innovated or grew. They just like have their base models and they
Everett feel a little unfair, but yeah I hear I hear what you're saying.
Andrew They remain consistent and and they've perhaps been outshined by competitors though they they like're just a stalwart, like they are continuing to do the like good, interesting quality stuff. Uh and sometimes I forget about Boulder uh because they were a watch brand that I've been aware of for a very long time, but haven't dropped anything like new or big. Yeah,
Everett it's kinda like been there, done that, seen it. Uh
Everett yeah, I was gonna get it, I would have gotten it.
Andrew Yeah, but uh every time I see them like oh you know I can kind of get with this. So this is a 38mm, 42 lug-to-lug, 12 thick, 20 millimeter lugs, 200 meters of water resistance, uh, NH35 movement, um 200 meters, now we already said 200 meters of water resistance. This is their titanium case, and this is a sandy yellow mag tending towards like gold, like tropical beach gold, which is their idea to be a sand uh sand colored dial. Yeah,
Everett it's but it's got really got a lot of w worn
Everett and wound or wind up vibe to it as well with that red and the blue.
Andrew Yes. Uh and it's it's good. They're only making a hundred of these. They're four hundred twenty nine bucks. Uh I think this is a good wind up or a good worn and wound uh collaboration. Yeah, these
Everett are boutique exclusives for the for the watch shop.
Andrew Yep. Yeah. Yeah. These are these are cool.
Everett Are they still they are
Andrew gonna be they're gonna ship in late November. I don't know I don't know how it's got to be some kind of pre-order or lottery to get through to it. Um they're available to pre-order, and I don't know if just the first hundred people that pre-order get it and
Everett yeah it looks like you can just get it right now. It looks like you can
Everett just order it. Do they insist that you sign a loyalty
Andrew pledge? They don't. It doesn't appear so okay
Everett so this is a this is an online pre-order
Andrew that might be worth getting in on because uh I'm still like deeply troubled by the loyalty pledge requirement. That was bizarre.
Everett Oh yeah it was funny. Uh yeah
Everett I don't I mean it didn't upset me, uh, but it is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen.
Andrew It upset me because I was trying to sign up for a pre-order. And I don't know if you call you know if this qualifies as social media. I think this is maybe a step higher than social media. Um but I I I do think it fit within the parameters of their have you ever spoken ill of us uh loyalty pledge?
Everett Yeah. I I it w it i yeah. I mean A, I think this is certainly s probably uh in their world this would qualify,
Andrew right? Yeah, and I think anything that I've ever said about Omega would certainly qualify.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh yeah. We literally have a show that says we hate Omega now. Um
Andrew But we could be anybody. We could be the royal we of all of us.
Everett I've got a watch and it's it I'm just
Everett gonna start with an expensive one, right? So this is
Everett a watch from Singer
Everett and it's very similar to the last watch from Singer that we talked about on this show, which is the Heritage Collection. They've introduced two
Everett new Heritage V72
Everett watches and these watches have a few tricks up their sleeve. Um w first trick, we now have a precious metal gold and a stainless steel version, both being dropped
Everett um and these are singer if
Everett you know anything about the company it's a restoration resto mod company that takes old things and makes them effectively less old, new things. And this is no different.
Everett Singer for these watches is using Valju
Everett 72 movements, and they call this the V72, Heritage V72, for that reason. Uh
Everett oh perhaps one
Everett of the most famous chronograph movements of all time, a manual winding chronograph. Um they've
Everett outfitted these in really a
Everett very lovely modern chronograph case with a dial that we'll get to in a second. We've already talked about it before, but we'll talk about it again today. Um and
Everett they don't just take these old
Everett V72 movements and take them apart and make sure they work. They do do that, by the way. They take them uh they take them fully apart,
Everett but they also refinish them, which is just one of the
Everett most brilliant things on the face of the earth. And they do a really, really excellent job. So they give you
Andrew this doesn't look like new old stock. This looks like brand new off the production line.
Everett That's right. So they give each of the components a I would call this a stone wash finish. I think that they call this a um gosh, they they use a specific
Andrew word for it. No, they use a word that I
Everett thought was interesting. Frosted and
Andrew pretty much. Frosted. Yes. Frosted.
Everett Um, which to me looks like a
Everett stonewashed finish, but I could be I could except
Andrew frosted, but it's stonewashed. But then they
Everett hand pan hand polish all of the bevels on the edges and uh uh essentially they make this into just an absolutely gorgeous movement. It is a still a classic Valju seventy two movement, which is to say uh we've got a thirty minute at three, a twelve at six, and running seconds at nine. Um hand polished, uh manually wound, eighteen thousand vibrations, which is two and a half hertz, which in 2026 dollars is a very low hertz chronograph movement. Uh, that is both good and bad. It means it's going to be incredibly reliable and will
Everett run well. It also means
Everett that it is a a little bit archaic in terms of beat rate, etc. Maybe not the most accurate
Everett thing. Um we do have a
Everett six and a half millimeter thickness on this, which is pretty nice, especially considering how old it is. On
Andrew the movement, not the watch. That's right. Yeah.
Everett Which allows them to make this
Everett into a pretty tidy into a pretty tidy package. So dimensions on this are
Andrew supposed to be like 13 and a half. 388
Everett across and thirteen point two five in height, which
Everett not nothing. Excuse me. I'm gonna
Andrew it's certainly not nothing. And for a Valju 72, at a six and a half millimeter movement, that's a like I think tidy is a is a good way to put that. That is a dimension that we should expect for this type of movement, for this, for these complications with it, this movement, and this age of movement, this is right there. Like for a fully modern chronograph, it's gonna be it's not even that thick relative to fully modern, like brand new today
Everett off the manufacturing line mechanical
Andrew chronographs. This is fifty years old and totally refinished and updated. Not updated. Totally refinished.
Everett Yeah, re retroflotted, I would say. Yeah.
Everett Um these were restored. We've got a gold case with a m
Everett like a lovely matte black dial and
Everett the steel case with a matte stone gray
Everett dial, both of these in the same case
Everett dimensions. The handset on this thing is truly
Everett a work of art. Both
Everett of these carry orange loom
Everett on the hours and minutes hand. Uh the chronograph seconds is that same color, but I don't believe it's loomed. Uh it
Andrew doesn't look loomed, yeah. and they come
Everett with this really, really charting and I
Everett think this is sort of the this is the the main feature that I think most people will focus on this watch. The pinions have a fairly prominent I'd say
Everett probably three millimeter
Everett cap, gold or brass symbol.
Andrew Yeah. Uh the yeah, like a
Everett hi-hat shaped cap that sits on the pinion. And it's just lovely. Really prominent singer logo at twelve that is pretty wide. I mean it's prominent
Andrew but not uh not obtrusive. Not obtrusive, right? It's a signature sing the singer logo. It's not I mean I it's I I think it's even less prominent than like Tudor or Brightling that bear just a logo. I mean it's it's very well integrated into the design of the dial.
Everett Big but perhaps subtle uh if
Everett you if it can be such a thing. Uh
Everett nice sub nice sub-registers
Everett on these, you know, uh good decisions, really nice
Everett minute track with gold markers
Everett for each of these in the minute track that each have carry a plot of loom
Everett in them, white loom. Um this is
Everett just a terrific looking watch.
Everett Um but but but yeah
Andrew there's a big old butt that go along with this
Everett there is a big butt. uh forty five Swiss
Everett francs for the precious and
Everett twenty-three Swiss francs. And
Everett when I say forty-five and twenty-three I mean thousands. Thousands. Yeah, it's a good five thousand.s
Everett Uh for the so t so forty-five
Everett thousand for the gold, twenty-three thousand for the
Everett steel. This is an expensive
Everett watch. Uh is that
Everett a good value. Is
Andrew it a good value? I
Everett don't know. I don't know. I mean the
Everett the work they're putting in the into this, the novelty, I I mean they're selling million-dollar Porsches, right? Million dollar fifty year old Porsches.
Everett So like we don't have to
Everett discuss we don't have to discuss too much whether this is economically
Everett right. There's a market and the people that are buying these have a little bit of extra cash to throw around. I would I would wager.
Andrew Yeah. Right. Yeah, I would I would venture a guess that there's if
Everett you're buying a million dollar fifty year old
Everett air cooled Porsche, you probably can drop an extra twenty three grand on the watch. Yeah,
Andrew because you're gonna pay for the speeding tickets and for the driving on the shoulder tickets so you don't uh idle in traffic and overheat.
Everett Twenty pieces of the gold, fifty of the steel. If you want to get one, get them while I'm there.
Everett I love these. I love these. I you know, of course,
Everett I don't I'm not gonna get one, but uh I I do really, really enjoy it. I think these are terrific.
Andrew I really like this new old stock and and retrofitted old stock of Valjou movements that we're seeing in the last couple years. Uh there's there's only so many things you can do with the Valju chronograph movement, but everyone's doing something uniquely their own.
Everett Yeah. and they're all good. Yeah. Yeah. it it's
Everett sort of like it it's also
Everett it's a little bizarre to me for a company that really isn't a watch company to be making such a delightfully thoughtful watch.
Andrew Yes. Uh but also when
Everett you think about what Singer is, it's like okay. it's just
Andrew tracks. It's a company that understands uh what people like and what people want and is willing to work in that in that space of pushing the envelope to do something neat against what we expect. Right. And it's interesting to see companies branch out I think car companies are a really unique example of it because of the technology and research and design and development that goes into automobile design. I think they they present an interesting um crossover into watches because of that technology. Like McLaren just started making uh golf irons. Right. And it's like, well, that kind of makes sense. You know, this is a company that is basically working in like aerospace technology. That's automobiles, but um they should be able to design a really good iron.
Everett They probably know how to forge forge a piece of metal.
Andrew and make it aerodynamic and perform really well. I actually
Everett just watched a YouTube video where these guys made a uh they cast an eight iron and it took them a while to figure it all out,
Everett but they essentially just cast an eight
Everett iron out of a manganese bronze alloy and then they hit it and they were like, yeah,
Everett we did it. Because
Andrew it's not it's not hard. Yeah. And but you know that that's the delta and technology from you know the the the wooden shaft to what is now you know aerospace metallurgy and and science of like the actual physics of developing golf clubs.
Everett I just looked, so so singer Porsches right now start at a million and you can spec them pretty easily up to three and a half.
Andrew That's steal. That's a that's a good old steel right there. Yeah. Uh that makes a million sound easy.
Everett Yeah, that's right. Just you just walk
Andrew in the door. I just want the base model. Give
Everett me the cheapest thing they got. What do you got for uh sixty grand? Yeah.
Andrew Can I have a seat? Uh up next for me, Tag Hoyer is doing something interesting. Um interesting because they haven't done it yet before, and it's to commemorate a special occasion. So the Formula One Solar Graph Limited Edition uh is coming in Dutch Orange, and this is a Formula One solar graph to commemorate the final Formula One race at Zandvoort, uh, which is uh this upcoming weekend. What's this
Everett what's Zandvoort? Zandvoort is
Andrew a famous racetrack in just outside of Amsterdam in the Netherlands that has hosted F1 races for quite a long time. Uh, and for whatever reason, they did not renew their contract with Formula One to continue gromperies there uh in the future. I imagine they will return at some point, but uh as it is understood in the community right now, Zanward is off the calendar for the foreseeable future. So Taghoir is doing a limited run of a hundred, maybe three hundred. Hang on. Hang on. It
Everett doesn't seem like very many. A thousand. I was
Everett gonna say a thousand
Andrew are gonna be made. Uh and these are uh just an orange solar uh uh yeah, just an orange solar graph, which they have not done since the solar graphs come have come out. This is the first orange iteration. U comhes in with a gray, kinda yeah, very, very light smoky gray, uh kind of cloud gray uh dial. Comes on either a bracelet or a strap. The strap is orange rubber. They are 22. What you call
Everett this a cumulus gray. Okay. Just
Everett because I know how much you love it when I make up color names.
Andrew I'm gonna get you a pantone. Uh like a dictionary just so that you can thumb through it while selecting your color descriptions. I'm I I think there's a maybe a fair argument to be that I'm colorblind um if you are seeing life so vividly I am and I am not
Everett I am implicitly and passively applying for a job with Seiko as we speak.
Andrew You're not the storyteller. That's what they want. They don't want you to name the color. They wante tod they wanted tell the story of the color. Oh come up
Everett with something good. Anyhow, uh everyone as
Andrew good as they get 2150 on a strap, 2250 on a bracelet, uh thousand of them for e-commerce only. When I saw this, I was kind of excited. I was like, oh, I wonder if these are gonna be like Dutch market only, like available.
Everett Nope, you get it online. Yeah,
Andrew like the rest of us. Uh because I was gonna uh I would have gotten one of these if they were uh like available exclusively in the Netherlands over the next couple weeks. Like while I was there, I would have I would have bought one. But no I don't care. I just it it's cool that they are um I mean I like the solar graph. I I think introducing solar technology into this watch is really cool. I think this is probably like this is a really neat example of kind of the worst parts of Tag Hoyer from the 90s being uh reinvigorated and modernized into a a really attractive cool watch in the modern era. I still
Everett pause I still pause at the price on these things. I is like
Andrew 2200 bucks. I I
Everett really do think that that's a mistake.
Everett I think that these at 1300 to 1500 would just slay um They
Andrew couldn't keep them on the shelves, yeah. and and and frankly they they would be reasonably priced at thirteen, fifteen hundred.
Everett And they would certainly be making
Everett money. There is zero doubt about it that they would be making money. If they if they had
Everett really turned this into a loss leader, um it
Andrew wouldn't even have to be much of a loss. That
Everett that's right. I think it's a mistake to have these things positioned where they are. Uh w when you know w when you know that these things probably cost you know, three hundred maybe
Everett to produce, even if you float
Everett out all the additional costs and you know e even if you really get creative with the math, three hundred bucks is cost on these things. So when you look at that when you look at that, you know, whatever, eight X margin, you think, gosh, they
Everett could really do something with these if
Everett they made 'em actually accessible. Oh,
Andrew and they could bring so many people to the Tag Hoyer tent.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Uh but it's
Andrew cool. It's a good orange too. I mean it's that very classic rally orange. Um yeah, I think it's neat to commemorate the final Dutch Grand Prix.
Everett Uh novels. Have you heard of that
Everett company? I'm unfamiliar. I feel like we've been really pretty excited about
Everett Gnomos over the last couple of years.
Andrew They've been hitting hard in the last two years. They've upped the bat weight uh the last two years. Aaron Powell
Everett So when they came out with the club sport and animatic world timers uh
Everett a few years ago, they
Everett you know introduced a whole bunch of new features i in particular in particular the ring
Everett uh the ring date complication which
Everett i just thought gosh that's so cool. They've now brought this to a Tangent, which is uh a watch that goes back to nineteen ninety two, one of if not if not the premium release, I think in Nomos lineup. Um and and I just think it's uh I just think it's a great flagship if maybe not the watch for me, in particular those lugs, not Nolomos, not Gnomos' creation, by the way, but something that has a lot of history. Those lugs don't do it for me.
Andrew They would scratch a lot of itches though. Those spider claws.
Everett They've now introduced the ring date. They've now introduced the ring
Everett date to the tangente. And
Everett uh it's got this patented bidirectional quicksate mechanism. I'm struggling with words a little bit in here.
Andrew What's happening? I don't know. Um which
Everett has which is integrated into the periphery of the movement. it's kind of a crazy it's kind of a crazy complication. Um but they've now fit this complication
Everett into this 38 and a half millimeter case uh
Everett and it just looks great it takes the t it makes the tangente so much less boring. Yes.
Andrew it adds I think it it for me it corrects one of the uh complaints I have have had about gnomos in that they're there's just nothing on the dial. I'm I'm one who I want I want boring. But I but I don't want Nixon. But I I I guess I I I think I need I feel like I need a minute track.
Everett Well, and they have a minute track, but now we've also got this ring
Everett date and it it really
Everett adds, I think, a lot to the visual appeal of this watch, at least for me.
Andrew It creates texture and contrast in where a lot of Bauhaus is is about super high blast contrast. This is kind of just a stable, steady contrast across the entirety of the dial.
Everett They've released this in both a classic
Everett silver dial, which is the Nomo style that you're probably most familiar with, and a great forest
Everett green. It is 38.5
Everett as discussed, 7'4 thick because it's
Everett freaking gnomos. DUW6101 in-house
Everett caliber, which is of course an ultra ultra thin automatic caliber. Um, 21,600 move 21,600 vibrations per hour movement, 42 hour power reserve. Uh, beautiful
Everett movement that you can see because there's
Everett a see-through case back. They come on shell quarterman straps.
Everett Uh and they're they're thirty seven hundred or thirty six
Andrew euros on the silver dial.
Everett Yeah. Or 3700, 3760 for the gray or the green, excuse me.
Andrew I wouldn't call that silver either. That's a that's decidedly white.
Everett It is silver. Uh so a lot of the product photography, I I think it is because of the flake
Everett that they use in the coating for these dials,
Everett but they are silver when you see them in person, but every product photo you ever see of these they look white, they look stark white. I think that is because they use a very, very, very fine flake in the silver. In person, these are silver, um, but they always tend to photograph uh whiter than they actually are.
Andrew You are not gonna tell me, and I'm not gonna believe it for a second, that the image that I am seeing is not reality.
Everett Everything you see on the internet is
Andrew real. That's right, Andrew. you're right. That's white. I take it
Everett back. Okay. So there's also a white
Andrew option available, but it doesn't have a price listed here.
Everett and and look, these aren't cheap watches, right? These aren't cheap watches. But I I said this a couple weeks ago. There's just no
Everett one. There's no one else making watches with this level
Everett of world logical chops. As well as gnomos at that price price range. I mean, we're you're in what what are we in? We're in like
Everett expensive Longines, we're in Tudor, we're in uh uh I I mean
Andrew But even those watches aren't the same thing.
Andrew Not even not even close.
Everett Not even close. Christopher Ward probably
Everett does some stuff that's almost as interesting or maybe more interesting. I think the
Andrew Galcoto kind of fits into the category, but that's a good thing. But they're more
Andrew money. It's more expensive
Everett significantly in some cases, right? This is a $3,700 watch that is as choppy as chops get. Gemma
Andrew might be there, there might be an argument that Yemma maybe is existing in a similar
Everett they're approaching, I think, the the a similar level of entry.
Andrew They're approaching. They're not all that close
Everett yet. But YEMA's not doing the they're totally different caliber watch, right? Yeah,
Andrew they're not doing than the most things. Yeah. and
Everett just pr and and almost certainly not doing them as refined
Everett as well as uh Certainly
Andrew not. Yeah. Yeah. So it i i i
Everett it and and we've been I'm you know hu we're huge fans of Yama, right?
Andrew Yeah no no doubt about it. We're huge.
Everett Not a criticism at all, but no most at thirty six hundred bucks for this watch or you know, thirty six hundred euro, four thousand bucks. There's no you just can't get a watch that's as like I said, orologically choppy as this from any
Everett other brand. There's no other
Everett brand that you can pick up this watch new that's gonna be as cool.
Andrew Yeah, I I think you're right about that. I mean
Everett go get a singer for ten times the price of this.
Andrew And while you're at it, you can pick up a Porsche.
Everett And the singer's cool. I love that watch. But this I I mean this
Everett is just I think that their their
Andrew cool uh comparison point is is pretty similar. Right. I think they're about equally cool.
Everett Gosh, I would think so. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I mean less bragging rights with Enomos, right?
Andrew I think the less bragging rights with the thing. You walk
Everett into a room with a singer, and you're like, yeah, this is someone's gonna be like, oh, is that the singer? And you're gonna be like, yeah, it's the singer. And everyone knows because
Andrew $30,000 watch. That's right. that's where the bragging rights come in. It's like it's the same reason people will recognize your sub or your speedmaster, but you know, they'll look right past take your pick of not subs or speedmasters and similar price points.
Everett yeah. Like nobody's
Andrew gonna walk up to you and be like, is that legislée? Is that is that a is that a longa? I
Everett don't know. I mean it depends on what circle you're riding in, right?
Andrew In your normal day to day like longa,
Everett That's not true. I think there's longa is pretty freaking dope.
Andrew Yeah. But y the the fella at the oil change shop is not gonna recognize your longa. He is going to see your Speedmaster and be like, oh my gosh, is that a real Speedmaster?
Everett right. Uh and there's nothing wrong with that, because the Speedmaster
Andrew is probably, if not one of no, it is one of the three most popular watches of all time, and there's a good reason for it. But if you put w those two watches in front of me, like I I'm not picking a Speedmaster. Yeah, I
Everett was thinking more like I was thinking more like a red bar group versus oil change.
Andrew But we don't live in red bar groups. no.
Everett you're not wrong. That's not that's not real life. It's
Andrew Andrew What's Next. It's a magical escape that we that we get to not get made fun of for a couple hours of our life. Uh I have a goofy one. Uh, this is one I did not expect to come. Bangalore Watch Company is dropping or has dropped the 47, which is a pocket watch. And believe it or not, it's a 47mm pocket watch powered by a Rhonda Quartz. Uh it everything about it just screams Bangalore watch company to me. But it costs a thousand bucks and I'm having trouble making that work in my head. Uh it's really attractive. It's really lovely. I just I uh I don't understand why there's a pocket watch push the last year and a half where we see brands making pocket watches. Like are are we going back to three piece suits with a with a pocket watch
Everett look this thing's look this thing's gorgeous this thing's gorgeous it
Andrew absolutely is it's gorgeous for a thousand bucks I want uh I want a mechanical movement though
Everett I have no clue I I have no clue what what I I mean I
Everett don't w who's buying this? Who wants this?
Everett I I don't know. This is bizarre. A Rhonda Quartz movement? Like I uh uh I don't get it. I don't understand
Everett this watch at all. I I I saw
Everett the original press photos and I was like, Oh that's hot and then
Everett oh and look if you're gonna g if
Everett you're gonna use a quartz movement. Rhonda
Everett is the is the pinnacle of quartz
Everett movements, I think. They're serviceable. They're fantastic.
Andrew I think the only exception would be like a VK
Andrew mecha quartz. Yeah, but Rhonda's better.
Everett Even then, it's not serviceable. Well, maybe it's serviceable, I don't know, but uh it's
Andrew not worth servicing. This is
Everett uh I it's
Andrew confusing to this to be a really confusing.
Everett And also like it has a it has a three o'clock
Andrew crown. I I feel like if you're making a pocket watch, put it put a twelve o'clock crown on it. Like
Everett Lennon Dial, great fonts all around.
Andrew Everything is great. It's Bangalore Watch Company, right? They make really great stuff. This confuses me.
Everett Lang your leather strap, Rose Gold Case.
Andrew Saw it, liked it, read about it, d got confused. Yeah.
Everett Well twelve fifty is the retail price on these. Thousand is uh like the preliminary. I just don't Are
Andrew hypnotists like coming back? Yeah,
Everett maybe I I'm not I'm not understanding this release. I think this is really tough. I I know the w whatever the pop thing, whatever they call that, the Royal Pop. But this was
Andrew in production prior to that release.
Everett I d I don't get it. Yeah.
Everett Is anybody actually wearing pocket watches?
Andrew Maybe in India? I don't think so.
Everett No, I don't think so. I I mean I I think that like unless w w what is the uh what is the like there's like a vintage motorcycle group of that they they ride vintage motorcycles and they wear like tweed suits and you know what I'm talking about? They do this in cities all over the place. Yeah,
Andrew but there's gentlemen's like those
Everett those thirty people say
Andrew there's not enough of them. Those thirty people
Everett might buy something like this, but more likely they're gonna go buy
Andrew they're gonna go to the pawn shop and pick up one any one of the ten thousand Hamilton pocket watches that are sitting in pawn shops these days.
Everett Buying an L Gen. They're buying an L gen. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. Nobody actually cares. Uh this is
Andrew because they're wearing an Apple Watch. This is this is really
Everett weird. Really? I love Bangalore. I love Bangalore as a company. This, I find this to be a really puzzling release. Yeah,
Andrew I don't, I didn't get it. And that's why we're talking about it because it's confusing.
Everett I love that Lennon Dow though. It's
Andrew really attractive. Yeah. I kind of I the one thing that I do like about the pocket watch is getting that 47 millimeter dial to really appreciate the the dial texture.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's great. It it's a it's a just a terrific big linen dial and it's and they did exactly the right things. And that font that font the I
Andrew don't dig the six. Um but the rest of the font I really like.
Everett Yeah. it it's good. Um Stone dials been having uh Stone dials have been having a moment. Uh I I think I think some people have even suggested that Stone Dial uh the Stone Dial movement is perhaps overwrought. Um and so it's with that that we are gonna talk about two two SnowDowl releases, uh both of which I think are okay. They're they get the pass from me. Uh the first comes from a company that you may or may not have heard of out of New York called Brew. Brew, have you heard of this? It's like a coffee themed watch company, Andrew.
Andrew Uh when he released a stone dial watch, he became dead to me.
Everett Uh Brew has released a retrograph that they're calling the Stone Blend Automatic. And there's some there's some uh meaningful verbiage there. There's some cute
Everett verbiage. Oh, blend because
Andrew of coffee. Correct. Yeah. Hi, Jonathan, you're still dead to me.
Everett What this stone uh is meant to visually uh is meant to visually evoke is the texture of milk right after you pour it in black coffee.
Andrew Startling becoming disgusting.
Andrew And it does a I think it
Everett actually does a really, really good job. So this is a rose gold retrograph with of course a brown stone dial with some cream texture in it. Um
Everett and Milky quaffs
Andrew through it. And it's and it's terrific.
Everett Okay. Uh the stone is Petersite. Okay. You'll just have to take my word on that. Uh it
Everett is a listen, this is the cool
Everett thing about the retrograph. This is a
Everett 41 and a half millimeter
Everett load to lug square swatch. I think it runs 38 across. 104 thick.
Everett Automatic, 10-4 thick,
Everett with a partial uh uh semicircular viewing window of the movement on the back. Uh Miyota ninety fifteen, of course, to get it that thin. It's a Miyota. Uh and seven seven
Everett seven hundred and seventy five bucks on this.
Everett Two hundred and fifty pieces limited. Pvd gold case.
Andrew It's running it's running a little north of where Brew typically lands.
Everett Yeah. Uh but it's a it's a limited edition. They're
Andrew making two hundred and fifty of 'em. I think this is
Everett where Brew is now on these. I think I think John's, you know, increased prices to sort of survive. But yeah, this this is cool. I think this is cool.
Andrew It's a good execution of a stone dial. Part of it's in the storytelling. But the the rest of it the it all works together really well. Doing the PvD case, the PvD hands, going nothing on the dial, no markers, no anything. it he kinda nailed it.
Everett He nailed it, yeah. The t the texture on this stone is perfect for what he does, right? It's perfect for what he's trying to do here. You want, you know, let's do a stone dial. It it's gonna be this. And it's great. It's just makes so much sense.
Andrew Yeah. Um Um yeah,
Everett I I don't have a ton more to say about that. But it does lead us into the next stone dial watch, which is Maine. Maine has released a Manhattan Stone Dial series, right? So stone dials again, they've been coming and going. There's lots of them out there. Uh the
Everett Stockholm-based main is just released
Everett three ultra-thin special stone dials in the Manhattan format. Um we've got a black onyx, a golden swan dial, and a snowflake obsidian dial. Um and I think these are all terrific. I I mean that's the thing, right? Like uh okay I'm tired of stone dials. Stone dials are a thing. blah blah. But is the watch does the watch work? That's the question I have
Andrew The golden swan I I take issue with. That doesn't look very gold to me.
Everett Oh. Well I take
Andrew issue with the naming. Not the watch. I think the dial itself is is phenomenal.
Everett It looks more to me like looks like a phoenix.
Andrew Like monolo a volcano. Yeah. Not a not a golden swan. Maybe it's maybe it's the pigment in it that when you take pictures of it, it changes color to trick those of us who would view it only on the internet.
Everett Now, I will just say The
Andrew black onyx is like the the deepest pits of hell. The black
Everett onyx of these is the absolute winner. It is a very stoic blackonic style. No hour markers. You've got a very stark main logo at 12, and then Manhattan 37 manual at six and then a single line Swiss made at the bottom. I think this is awesome. Yeah,
Andrew that's the winner. That's it's it's so black at eight the markers and indices. It just sucked them in. It is a pure black hole.
Everett the Manhattan Ultra Thin is a fantastic format watch. 37mm, 71 thick, 474 lug to lug. It is an integrated an integrated rectangular or I guess it's actually octagonal.
Andrew Yeah. It's like an actual octagon. But
Everett leaning rect rectangular. With
Andrew no uh All
Everett three of these really great executions, I think. Uh manual wine LJP D101, uh 50R PowerServe, 21600, and uh these come in at a pretty respectable price, I think. Hundred pieces hundred pieces of each. Uh like fifteen hundred dollars. One thousand three hundred and fifty nine euros. So um that's excluding taxes or bad. So I I don't know what these will land in the United States at, but I'm guessing fifteen, sixteen hundred dollars somewhere
Andrew and th as though they are limited, they're gonna do an initial run of a hundred each and then do a pre-order period for each of them as well.
Everett Oh okay. I
Andrew love that model of hey buy the wall like we're gonna make enough that if you want one you can get one but you have to buy it now.
Everett Yeah. like shit a good off
Andrew the pot. Well
Everett the ultra thin in particular is just yeah, what an elegant three seven point three millimeters? That's crazy.
Andrew Yeah, it's nuts. That's crazy.
Everett So sorry I kinda I did a twofer there, Andrew, but I guess that we're going to talk about these things. I was not
Andrew going to talk about stone dials. Yeah, I thought
Everett it wasn't on your list. So I figured we'll stuff those
Andrew together. What do you got? Uh how about a Fears release? Oh
Everett yeah. The Fears Brunswick
Andrew forty point five A retirement release. Our ultimate. Yes, the ultimate is the retiring of this watch. And I gotta say, this is my favorite version of it. Uh a cyclops to view the actual hour uh with the rest of the hours uh the the markers obscured by the by the crystal, a full loom dial. This is just a fun. I mean, it's it's so it's a collaboration with Andrew Morgan. Uh 40.5 millimeter case, 12.8 thick, uh loomed ceramic dial, printed indices, 100 meters of water resistance, um SW200 with using the Christopher Ward jumping hour module, which is which is interesting. Uh I I I think it's cool. It like everything about this watch is futuristic, but it's still super legible. It's cool to do uh a a deliberate farewell retirement release. Um and they are going to have a limited order window also. So not like a pure limited release, but a limited order window. It's going to open uh it's open currently from the 10th to the seventeenth to to order these watches. Um now everything I've read about this is very specific to say that Fears is retiring the Brunswick 40.5 jump hour. So I don't I don't
Everett think that that necessarily
Andrew means that Beers is retiring the jump
Everett hour or that they're retiring I certainly don't think it means they're retiring the
Andrew Brunswick. So no have they've been pretty specific that they are retiring the jump hour, the forty point five jump hour. Yeah. So uh
Everett who knows exactly what that means.
Andrew Um what I thought that was the coolest
Everett thing about this is the the Brunswick 40.5 jump
Andrew hour has always been uh kind of like
Everett a a really simple watch. You know, you get that ring and then you get the jump hour at 12 and kind of
Everett not a whole lot else. Uh
Everett this is the first jump hour that's got Arabic numerals all the way around, but it doesn't really, right? It it's got you can actually only see
Andrew like the top half of each of them. Unless it's
Everett unless it's in the cyclops. It looks a little bit more like a traditional watch but then also less and because it's full loomed both that disc on the top and the disc underneath are loomed and they shine through those numerals it it it looks great in the daylight but, it looks really cool when it's lit up. Um, this is a really, really neat watch. And then you've got a minute, you've got a visual minute track, which which sits on that same loom disc and it just gosh
Everett this thing is great. Yeah it it they
Andrew they hit it out of the park. This is my favorite of
Everett these right I've always thought that the I've always thought that this that
Everett this jump hour is uh a little bit too esoteric for me this doesn't
Andrew this feels like 1985 that's
Everett right it doesn't veer into it doesn't veer into normal but it's less like kitschy,
Everett I think. Like it's more like, oh, this
Everett is really cool execution. the
Andrew full loom and the the obscuring of half of the m numerals gives it a kind of sci-fi futuristic, but from the 80s, futuristic vibe. That's
Everett right. It's modern in a way that the that this watch previously hasn't been, and I I really like that. Now these are expensive, right? So retail is $4,600 on a strap, $4,900 on a bracelet,
Everett get it on the bracelet. That's a lot of money 5,000
Everett is a lot of money. And you think, well, this is a SLEDA SW200, but this is not a SLEDA SW200. What you're paying for here, A, is gonna be fear's
Everett exceptional finishing,
Everett but also this JJ01 jump
Everett hour move module is is really
Everett pretty innovative. And so you're paying for both of those things. Um, do I think again, is this a good
Everett value? I don't know. you you know, spend your spend your dollars how you choose. I think they're gonna sell plenty of
Everett these. I love this execution of this watch.
Andrew Yeah, this is this they nailed it. Every bit of this watch I like. I have no notes.
Everett No notes. No notes. Did we talk about dimensions, etc.?
Andrew Yep. Okay, great.
Everett Moving it right along. Uh, Casio is back with their third
Everett version already, their third version in as many
Andrew days of their Edifice Automatic.
Everett And they've called this one the EFK 200. We had the EFK 100, which came out with the Seiko movement, the EFK 110, which moved to the 8215, and now we've got the third version, the 200, also with an 8215 and a Miyoda movement. Um, and I think that they're getting pretty close to having a a
Andrew good watch here. they are. I've
Everett been critical, I've been critical of this watch. I I think, you know, we've in fact I think Andrew, we've even argued about this on this show. I really, I really think that Cassio should
Everett have and certainly could have introduced an automatic module with this watch. And I think it would have
Everett made it a really special
Everett set of watches. I think their initial decision to go with Seiko was probably not a great decision. I think their decision to go with Miyoto was a little bit better, but you're Casio.
Andrew Make one make a movement. Yeah.
Everett Um, but with that said, I I I like this. So four steel versions and a black one that's made of carbon
Everett and steel components that are kind
Everett of like married and combined. Um
Andrew mushed together. Mushed together.
Everett That carbon version, 81 grams.
Everett That's crazy. Which is crazy. Yeah. Uh
Everett these are beautiful, Andrew. These are integrated sports watch, uh, integrated bracelet, sport watch styling, uh pretty subdued
Everett dials. uh,
Andrew but still very colorful. I think there's two big misses here that show the the uh adolescence of Casio in this realm in their in Casio's current iteration. So I feel like the case is really antiquated and the dials are just a bummer.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. The dial colors are are they're
Andrew poor choices. You think the
Everett dial the dial choices aren't good? I
Andrew don't like them. Uh I I pre I like all that that all these colors are included. We've got forged
Everett carbon dials on these things. But they need to
Andrew have base colors not just big Casio colors. And there and the case development needs some work. It's still kind of chunky. It's still kind of it it just it seems in development still. These seem like prototypes.
Everett 100 meters of water resistance, 38 millimeter case diameter, 119 thick, which is not great, uh, but not bad either. Um I I think the uh composite's a little bigger. It's 38.8
Everett in diameter. Uh, we've
Everett got three steel
Everett colored watches and one steel
Everett watch with gold PVD. That one has this really, I think lovely sort of smoky amber forged carbon dial. It's an Albre dial. Um, yeah, so uh the all black is 449,
Everett the um steel are 299
Everett and the PVD is 369. All those are in euro. I I should have specified. So a little
Andrew bucks. Yeah. A little bit more if you're
Everett if you're talking in US dollars. I
Everett actually think this is okay. uh I
Everett I was probably a no
Everett previously. Um, I am maybe a yes here at these
Everett prices for what you're getting and what this is. I'm maybe
Everett a yes. We're seeing these clear
Andrew iterative improvement from the 100 to the 110 to the 200. Clear. Uh which is promising because it means that Casio is putting some ass into this uh sector, into this market segment, uh and are continuing to develop.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I I think
Everett finishing and just aesthetically these this
Everett is the best this is the best release. Uh I
Everett I will just say I don't completely agree with your dial interpretation, but I can see what you're saying there. I I think dials, dial colors, right? If you if you like it, you like it. If you don't you don't, that's it. That's kind of it. Like I've been really critical of Christopher Christopher
Everett Ward's dial choices in the past. Like
Everett the 12, for instance, I'm like the a 12
Everett drop will come and I'll be like, okay, this is again nope, nope, they did it again. So
Andrew hate them all. Which is
Everett which is subjective, right? The twelve has been immensely popular and I think a lot of people like those those options. So and that might be that might be part of what's going on here.
Everett But these are great, I think. These are
Everett great. And I think they're well priced
Andrew too. Yeah. and it's cool
Andrew to see it coming out of Casio. Yeah. I still think, gosh, Casio,
Everett get your shit together and make a fucking movement. Yes.
Andrew Like borrow some architecture. Do whatever you gotta do. Steal it. Who cares? Yeah.
Everett I mean you don't even have to steal it, right? Everybody and their mother
Everett has a twenty eight twenty four. Just
Everett Cassio, you have the the ass make a twenty eight twenty four.
Andrew Yeah. Uh yeah. Anyway.
Everett You know what, Cassio? Sell it to everybody on their mother.
Andrew Make a movement to be a good movement manufacturer, yeah.
Everett And sell it to everybody. You ha you can do this.
Everett Like and people would buy it, right? Yeah.
Andrew Yeah, they they would buy it. and they would buy it because it would be just more more is more. I think cre adding more competition to that movement market is only for the better.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Cassio's
Everett got the ability to make very, very high precision, right? Like you're telling me Casio can't compete with Miyota. Uh or
Andrew Eda even. Right. Well I think I think Casio could. I think they have the manufacturing asked to be able to do so. And not not in five years, but in ten years, if they put some true true research and development into that division, I think that it could be a real competitor.
Everett Yeah. I I mean I I can't say no. What else you got?
Andrew I don't really care about anything else. Alright,
Everett good. Other things. What do you got? Uh
Andrew so I picked up some new shirts. Uh I was I'm having to pack to be out of a suitcase for uh a prolonged period of time. And I was like, well, I'm gonna get some new uh just base color undershirts. So I got some shirts from True Classic. Oh
Everett yeah. At the Costco. Have you seen these before? Yeah. I've got some True Classics.
Andrew I I put it on and was just immediately so happy with the way the material feels. So I got both varieties: the active and the normal. Traditional. The traditional. They fit great. They're super comfortable. And what I liked the most about them um is that they feel like an actual medium whereas I feel like a lot of the shirts that I get when I put on a medium I'm like well this is a little not medium but the large is definitely large. These are shirts like built for not skinny jean wearing skinny people. And their medium is a true medium.
Everett Yeah. Uh super comfortable. They like
Andrew I just I was so pleased with them. Uh for they're like 50 bucks for a four-pack right now at Costco, uh, or the athletic one, they're 50 bucks for three pack. I picked up both of them and I'm just uh these are maybe my new go to T shirts.
Everett Okay. Okay. I I picked
Everett up y you know, they True Classic, one of these companies that has been sort of direct to consumer and and really social media
Everett driven. Uh I picked up a
Everett set of three a couple years back and all three
Everett of them still fit great. They are snug. They haven't stretched out. They're snug
Everett in the right places, is what I mean. Haven't stretched out. That's right. I mean, this was one of they were one of the first companies that sort of came out and they were like, look, we are wear a t-shirt
Everett that's intended to look
Everett good on the average adult male. Right.
Everett So they the w the way they have structured the silhouette is to,
Everett you know, like, okay, you got a muffin
Everett top, we're okay with that. And we're not we're gonna de-emphasize that
Andrew we count on it in fact right
Everett right uh no i'm really I'm really sort
Everett of very pleased. I'm really
Everett sort of very pleased with those shirts and I I I'm glad that they're like more available. When I ordered them, it was kind of a pain in the ass to order them. And it wasn't a big problem. It was a little it was more annoying than I
Everett wanted. And it was a little bit more money
Everett than I wanted. And so it seems like their prices have come down to earth in a
Everett way that I like. And um
Everett yeah.
Everett Yeah. Take a take a peek. If you're like me and
Andrew gain them weight Um
Everett I've got another thing and this is going to be sort
Everett of uh maybe a speculative other thing? Uh maybe uh uh this is this is gonna be uh another thing that we'll insist upon,
Everett demand a continuation.
Andrew Okay, so I'm gonna link to Google.
Everett I I watched the
Everett first episode of the newly released season of Ted Lasso.
Andrew Oh, me too. And
Everett I was excited about it. I was excited about it. And
Everett um I was wholly disappointed. Yes, I think
Andrew another another season was a mistake. They ended it
Andrew so beautifully. they l they they fell into the trap, they listened to the fans. We didn't actually want more. We just didn't want it to end.
Everett I'm gonna stop you there because I don't think I'm ready to say quite
Andrew as much as you have said. I
Everett don't I don't know that it's a mistake. I I I which is which
Everett again this
Everett demand this insists upon
Everett uh revisiting as the season
Everett progresses. We've got one episode at this point, right? It it's not like a Netflix
Everett drop where the whole thing dropped. Which
Andrew bugs me. But
Everett I did, you know, here are
Everett my observations. And I and I said this to Kim while
Everett we're watching it, right? Like if they insist upon reminding us about the like sort of bombastic character features of each of these characters if they can if they insist upon reminding us of those nuances the whole way through, it's gonna be lame. I'm hoping that this first
Everett episode was sort of like welcome back. Just a reminder. These are
Everett the characters. Mm-hmm.
Everett Just a reminder. And now we're gonna get into the story. So um uh I won't provide any spoilers, but clearly Ted's in the
Everett United States and clearly the soccer team that he used to coach is in
Andrew not the United States. Different country.
Everett Uh it it does seem like there's going to be
Everett some international travel at some point,
Everett uh probably sooner than later. W with that said, uh it
Andrew I I hope. I you know, I
Everett really I'm hoping uh Ted that
Everett first season of Ted Lasso is just like
Andrew the fur the gosh, one of the greatest things
Everett ever made. The original part of the series
Andrew is one of the best television productions of all time.
Everett Yeah. that's right. it was surprising in a way that was like, okay, I am full,
Everett I'm all in. So I hope that we get back to
Everett something resembling that. That first episode wasn't it.
Everett It just wasn't it. And I I think you you
Andrew raise an interesting point that it could be just a a refresher episode, a a reminder. A recap episode perhaps, but still needing to progress the story.
Everett Reminder, keely like sparkly things.
Everett Like, okay, we get it. Yeah. Like, all right, I get it. I do remember that. It was just a couple years ago. I got it. So it if
Everett they can if they can be committed to the story versus
Everett constant reminders about these silly characters,
Everett uh then I think there's
Everett a chance. First reaction, first episode, oof, I'm nervous. I'll watch it. I'll watch every single episode. Guaranteed. Yep. Because it was so good. Um I I don't think I owe it to anybody, but I maybe just owe it to myself. Like I've got to It'll be like Game of
Andrew Thrones, where I suffered through the last season.
Everett Yeah. or like Sons of Anarchy, where
Andrew I suffered through the last season. And I and I watched every single one just begrudgingly because I'd I'd gotten that far. I know
Everett and I'm gonna do it. I know, sons of anarchy.
Everett Jeez. I y you know, I I'm sort of a I'm a uh a Game of Thrones stan, e even a final season stan. I I I thought it wasn't anywhere near as bad as everybody else. But
Andrew Sons of Anarchy. Oh god. The final season of Sons of Anarchy, like it almost ruined the show. God
Everett uh anyway, I I do think I I
Everett gotta imagine that there's gonna be
Everett some good. And so I I'm
Andrew I'm cautiously very
Everett cautiously optimistic, but that first episode I
Andrew was it it hopefully is not the uh not the anchor. Ooh
Andrew It's good it's a good thing it wasn't the pilot episode for the series.
Everett Ooh. Yeah, that's right. That's right, because that was atrocious. So um eh maybe not atrocious. It was not very good.
Andrew Didn't live up to the rest of the uh the standard that has been set by Ted Lasso.
Everett Andrew, uh that's all I have to say. Do you have
Everett anything else you want to say about it? Never once. Hey, uh friends, family,
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Andrew bye.