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Omega: We Take it Back (402)

Published on Thu, 16 Jul 2026 23:23:43 -0700

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In this episode of the 40 and 20 Watch Clicker Podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch news and releases. They cover Buzz Aldrin's watches coming up for auction at Sotheby's, including a non-working Omega X33 estimated at $4,000-6,000. The hosts express excitement over the new limited edition Moon Swatch Mission to the Moon 1969, featuring 11 grams of 18-karat moonshine gold and priced at $570 based on 1969 gold prices, though they humorously discover their critical podcast comments about Omega disqualify them from purchasing one.

Other watches discussed include Citizen's new affordable ProMaster Dive watch at $450, Yema's Navy Graf Barracuda with forged carbon dial developed with the French Navy, and a Notice/Raven collaboration trail tracker GMT. They also examine Christopher Ward's unusual collaboration with dial artist Chris Alexander featuring hand-painted skeletonized movements, Doxa's gray titanium Clive Cussler limited edition, and Benjamin James's Deerhurst regulator watch. The episode concludes with Everett sharing his enthusiasm for purchasing American-made Wright Tool Company wrenches from Harry J. Epstein tool company, and Andrew recommending Netflix's "The Hawk" starring Will Ferrell as nostalgic millennial comfort viewing.

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Speaker
Everett Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Glicker Podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. We do have a fan on. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go take care of that. I like that. I like that I get it. No, I'm doing really well. It's been it's been an interesting week. Um I uh had a number of cases that were getting ready to go to trial. So I had a trial at the end of this month and then I had another trial set for about two weeks into next month. Um one of them was one of them was gonna be pretty extensive and the other one was more straightforward but, they both settled like in the last two days. Because they knew the big dog was coming. Yeah, no, I don't I don't think that's had any uh I don't think that had any part of the settlement. Um but they did both settle uh and they both of them kind of felt like these probably aren't gonna settle. So that uh that was big. And then I've been spent you know, I spent all day working on sort of putting together settlement agreements until like Like two minutes before
Andrew I mean you had sufficient time
Everett to ignore my call. Yeah, yeah. Well, I was uh you know, when you when you're working and you kind of like
Andrew see my name pop up and put your phone to
Everett the side and you're
Andrew Maybe somebody ignored it. Nope.
Everett It was sitting on the table. I just didn't just didn't get it. So
Andrew sorry, buddy. Um I mean
Everett if I'd seen it, I probably would have ignored it, but
Andrew but okay. That makes sense.
Everett What the shit was that? Uh uh yeah, so uh yeah, that's that's always uh that's always I don't know, it's it's like partially deflating and partially like kind of r relieving. I don't know. Uh but I'm good. Andrew, how are
Andrew you? I'm good. Just chugging
Everett along. I'm you know. Made some pasta today. I got a lodge uh enamel cast iron because I saw
Andrew it at the store and I was like, you know what, I want it enamel. 45
Everett bucks or whatever. Yeah, I want an enamel
Andrew cast iron Dutch oven. Uh, because I want to try it. Like, I want to see if I'm actually going to use it before I drop the 500 bucks on a like ruse, you know?
Everett Sure. And that's like I feel
Andrew like a reasonable entry into it because I don't know if I'm gonna use it. Uh so I made some braised beef ragu today and some fresh pasta.
Everett Nice. It was delightful.
Andrew Uh, problem is it makes it hard for the air conditioning to keep up when you're running uh your oven, even at just 250. Yeah. What kind of beef did you do? Did you
Everett do that? Just a chuck? A little roast? Yeah, I just
Andrew did a chuck roast, seared it, and threw
Everett it in there with all the the mirepoix
Andrew plus shallots and the fixeds gallic and what else I put in there. I think that was it. Bunch of fresh herbs because I had those in the fridge. It was good. It was delightful actually. Nice. Yeah. Just simmered for I don't know, six or
Everett seven hours and some pepperdelly
Andrew pasta. Fuck. It was good. I went down a deep rabbit hole of uh pasta shapes and making them today. I probably watched two and a half hours of YouTube
Everett of Oh yeah of pasta shape
Andrew making uh because i was thinking i was gonna make uh tortellitium brodo for you make the pasta
Everett yeah okay nice it's super
Andrew easy. Oh, it's easy to make pasta but it,'s
Everett it it's it requires some equipment. It's an extra step for sure.
Andrew It's an extra step. But I I liken it to like totino's is good in the oven, but it's great deep fried.
Everett Andrew, did you uh do you use like an Atlas press or do you use like a kitchen aid attachment?
Andrew I use a kitchen, just the kitchen aid shooter.
Everett Yeah. Uh I was
Andrew gonna make tortellini and then I was like, uh I don't feel like doing that today. Yeah, that's
Everett a lot of work. Yeah Yeah, it
Andrew is it's just a a lot of work. It's just like to make ten tortellini is ten tortellini. It's not just cutting cutting out a sheet of pasta. But uh yeah, making fresh pasta is the way. It it honestly does not take that much longer than dried pasta.
Everett Yeah. It it it objectively does in
Andrew that it needs to rest for like a half an hour in the fridge. But outside of that, like the the timing on it, the actual
Everett depending on what kind of pasta you can make for sure. But just
Andrew hand cut pasta, like just paperdale or taglatelli, or you know, take your pick of flat noodles.
Everett Yeah. The the actual working
Andrew period is pretty short. It's probably like 12 minutes. Maybe 15.
Everett Depending on the pasta, you know, spaghetti.
Andrew It needs an extruder, but like well.
Everett You can you can do it non extruded, but And I was gonna
Everett say too, I mean some pasta you really
Everett you want some bite that you can't get with a fresh pasta, it's gotta be dried before you can get that al dente, you know, fresh pasta. You're never it's always gonna be pretty soft, which sometimes that's good, especially with the thicker pasta. But
Andrew a little thicker though, you get that good chew by like some bounce to it. Well that's fun. Um yeah I spent a lot of time in the YouTube rabbit hole. And I'm not uh
Everett I'm better off for it, I think. I learned
Andrew a lot today. Well, I'll tell you, I'm
Everett a guy who has spent some time at Down Rabbit
Andrew Holes. Uh so I also went to St. Vinny's, which is our local, like one of our local uh donation sale places. Yeah, St. Vincent de Paul. And I
Everett left with like 10 new cookbooks.
Everett Oh wow. It's not why I went. Uh
Andrew but I walked through their cookbook aisle and I was like, oh, you're coming home with me. And you're coming home with me. Like some interesting like old cookbooks.
Everett And you probably spent all of about 30 bucks.
Andrew 30 bucks on 10 cookbooks, yeah. Uh I bought a uh I b I also bought the Fodors travel guide for London from twenty twenty five. That was I think when you buy them new, they're like thirty bucks. Nice. I got it for two ninety nine.
Everett Sick. Yeah. Yeah. So uh I made
Andrew out like a bandit at Saint Vincent de Paul, and now I sort of understand people's thrifting obsession.
Everett Oh yeah, no, the it it can be by it can be catching for sure.
Andrew As I was walking in, there was a guy leaving with like an armload of VHS tapes. I didn't see what the titles were, but he was like he was carrying a beach ball of VHS tapes.
Everett Interesting. No, I think thrifting like so many things, it it it used to be different than it is now, but it's still fun. It still can't be
Everett fun. Yeah, I mean more quickwicks
Andrew is more better. The last thing I thrifted Andrew
Everett was a motorcycle. Uh yes, technically, I guess
Everett that wasn't thrifted, but the last thing I got
Everett at a thrift store was
Andrew uh it was a
Everett it's a John W. Nordstrom
Everett cashmere like camel
Andrew hair colored cashmere blazer
Everett that just fits me like
Andrew a glove. And uh
Everett actually I've lost a little weight, so it might not fit as well right now. But I like was w
Everett walking through and I I saw it on the rack. You know how you just you know
Everett you can see a good fabric as
Everett you're on the rack. Mm-hmm. I was like,
Andrew oh that looks like a nice fabric. And then I,
Everett you know, kind of grab it and I pull it open and I'm like, oh, this is a really nice jacket. It was probably, you know, ten, fifteen years old. Uh, but it was in fantastic shape, and then I put it on and it was just like and uh yeah, I paid seven bucks for that for that jacket. And then the first time I wore it, someone was like, one of my coworkers was like, that is a really nice jacket. I was like, and it was a guy who knows jackets too.
Andrew Nailed it. Yeah. I uh what actually thought made me think
Everett to go to St. Vinny's was I was just scrolling Reddit and saw
Andrew uh like a sports memorabilia post
Everett that showed a dude who had gotten a Dakota Prue Cop who was a backup quarterback at U of O like seven years ago, eight years ago. But a red hat with the duck logo on it. Yeah,
Everett good quarterback hat. He found one of
Everett those. I saw that post on Reddit. Yeah, he found one of those at a at a thrift shop and I was like, oh that wouldn't be a terrible place to go look. And then some kid in Portland just got a uh a Wilt Chamberlain warm-up jacket out of a goodwill.
Andrew No shit. Yeah. That's cool. He was like, he was
Everett like, I I was looking at the dimensions of it and I realized like this is Wilt. This is the biggest guy on the
Andrew team. And then he got it verified and
Everett he's going to make make some money off of uh Wilt Chamberlain warm-up jacket from whenever Wilt played, but he found it at a good will.
Everett Cool. Yeah. Well, Andrew, do you want
Andrew to get started talking about watches? We are
Everett since we're talking about secondhand shit, uh I want to bring to everyone's attention the fact that a significant amount of Buzz Aldrin's watches are going to come up for auction at Sotheby's.
Everett In case you want to get in on the bidding.
Everett Uh well you know what though some of them are and obviously his his famous Apollo watch is in probably um an arms dealer's personal collection because it was
Andrew lost. Lost
Everett in transit to the Smithsonian. It was stolen by the mafia and is certainly
Andrew in a in a bad guy's Bright Lane collection.
Everett But among those watches is his the speedmaster replacement that he got from the 90s that he wore a bunch. The one that actually interested me the most is his X33, which is either government or NASA issued, and you can know that because the caseback is blank, which is a something that Omega does for uh NASA and military contracts so the case back can be custom engraved. And the anticipated sale price on this is only four to six thousand dollars.
Everett Yeah, right. But it's because it's not
Andrew in it's not currently in working condition
Everett so it could be as easy as a battery swap or it could
Andrew be uh you you're spending six
Everett thousand dollars just to have Buzz Aldrin's
Andrew watch. Uh some other really cool
Everett stuff. I you know I, I really like these um when these auction lots come up from people like Buzz Aldrin
Andrew who aren't exactly watch people. They're
Everett just really famous and get like all kinds of free shit. There's like a Toy Story watch in involved in this, like a commemorative watch from Aldrin Elementary, just weird stuff.
Andrew Uh, but also like some really
Everett historically important stuff that aren't his moon watch. Um,
Andrew so there's a handful of Buzz Aldrin's watch
Everett com ising up for sale, and if you want to get in on it, uh,
Andrew you know, you could get a broken X33
Everett or you could get a fully functional X33 that just needs a new battery.
Andrew Yeah. Nice. Yeah. There is, yeah,
Everett there's a n uh nineteen nineties Speedy Professional with an eight sixty one in it that they say is gonna go for eight thousand to twelve thousand, but I bet it
Andrew it goes for twenty easy. Uh 'cause that's his
Everett that's the Speedmaster he got in the nineties and when his watch you know went missing.
Everett Yeah. For all of these, there's someone with more money than you that's gonna be willing to pay more money than you. So
Everett I wonder if Buzz is gonna buy any of his
Andrew own watches. This JLC uh
Everett shark deep-sea chronograph is pretty is pretty dope too.
Everett It it it is. Oh
Andrew dang it. What's that?
Everett I accidentally grouped I
Everett yeah, the estimate on the on the JLC is ten thousand to twenty. I bet it goes for fifty. But uh yeah, all of these will go for a lot of money.
Andrew The whole I mean they they all will, because it he's a historic figure,
Everett right? He's the second human to set his feet on the moon.
Andrew His little Tootsies. Yeah, his his little Tootsies
Everett have have left its footprints on the moon. And uh he he was immediately immortalized. Like the anything that guy has touched for the last 70, 50 years is is just gold, right? He's got the Midas touch.
Andrew Yeah. Do we know when
Everett he what watch he was wearing when he punched
Andrew that flat earther? Oh
Everett gosh. I would get irresponsible
Everett for that watch. Um
Andrew so uh speaking of moon watches, there was a new moon
Everett swatch that was released
Andrew this week. This is a this is the
Everett first one I've liked in a long time, and I really do like this one.
Everett Well, yeah, this is pretty cool. So this is actually a collaboration um between uh between Omega and Swatch.
Andrew What and what
Everett they're calling this is the mission
Andrew to the moon nineteen sixty w nineteen
Everett sixty-nine moon swatch uh which is a limited edition to one thousand nine
Andrew hundred and sixty nine pieces. You know
Everett it's the same forward and backward? Uh
Everett you have to like rotate it though, right? Yeah,
Everett like the Illuminati symbol. Um
Andrew Yeah, so this one's pretty
Everett cool. So first it is black and gold, which are fantastic color combinations. Uh it's the most limited moon swatch yet.
Everett Yes. With just a you know just a hair under two thousand.
Everett Uh which which for a moonswatch
Everett is actually a pretty limited amount. And it's
Andrew a pretty interesting execution of
Everett the deal. So obviously to celebrate the Apollo 11's moon landing, which was in 1969. And it
Everett comes in it comes with quite a bit of 18 karat moonshine gold. So
Everett now we are putting
Andrew some value in the We are
Everett certainly jumping aquatic
Everett animals, if not sharks, at this point. Uh
Everett and it's got a lot of gold. Uh dials, hands,
Everett pushers, crown, all in moonshine gold. Eleven grams total. I think that's a metric
Everett fuck ton for the price that you're paying on it.
Andrew They might be taking a loss here.
Everett Um we've got you know bioceramic
Everett case and a matte black uh to go sort of alongside the gold. It is really a pretty delightful looking watch. We've got a black strap on it and each piece is numbered.
Everett From from the pictures, it looks like the inside of the strap is textured to be like the surface of the moon.
Andrew Yeah. Right? Yeah. That's right.
Everett Is I mean I I I haven't I don't see anything commenting on that, but that's yeah, no, I th what I'm think I'm seeing here.
Andrew Yeah, I th I think you might be right.
Everett Um we have so what they say yeah,
Everett the melt value of the of the gold in this watch is a $1058 uh but
Everett swatch is pricing
Everett this based on the price of gold on the day of Apollo 11's landing. So
Everett that means that you can get this for
Everett $570. And when I
Everett say you can get this, I am
Everett going to incorporate a healthy a healthy uh dose of finger quotes because
Everett I don't think you can get this.
Everett If anybody has any experience writing code to like buy things quickly. Like if you've ever bought a Smiths directly from Smith's because you built your Bybot, uh, hit me up because I I would I'd Bybot this watch, I think.
Everett There are in order to get one,
Everett you have to fill out what they're calling an
Andrew electronic swatch timepiece
Everett application or an ESTA, which is funny,
Andrew uh, which runs
Everett from right now through July
Everett 21st. Uh,
Everett and you get in a
Everett digital line on this. Uh, it's a moonswatch. It's black and gold. It's got a bucket load of gold. They're gonna be very hard to get. The resale value on these is gonna be astronomical.
Everett Oh, these are gonna be absurd.
Andrew I'm I'm currently applying.
Everett Okay. Oh, good for you. Good
Everett for you. Um Yeah,
Everett it's an investment. This is this
Everett is uh this is an asset. Right.
Everett I maybe, yeah. I don't I don't know. This is a weird one. This is a this is one of those where if you happen
Andrew upon one or you get one, um, you're really getting
Everett something pretty special. Uh these are
Everett I was born on a Saturday. Sweet.
Andrew Yeah. S someone in in the comments on the
Everett Hodinkee website said this is you know ten out of ten rage bait.
Everett It it got me uh and I
Everett think that's I think that's fair. I I mean this is the type of watch that people are gonna have feelings about. Um
Everett If I get one, uh we're gonna have to go to Las Vegas uh to get it. Okay. No.
Everett They asked you that question? Yeah. So first
Everett question was have you ever gifted a golden tableclock to a president? Uh have you ever spoken badly about the moon on social media? No. I have spoken badly about Moon Swatch, but not. Have you ever spoken badly about Omega? Or so well, I'm out. We just speak. Have you ever spoken badly about Omega or Swatch on social media? And the answer is a resounding yes. We just have an
Everett episode titled We Hate Omega. I
Everett am now I'm not I'm not making that up.
Everett You're not gonna win this one. I am I am
Everett I am now disqualified and have ceased my attempts to get in a digital line. But if anybody who does not hate Omega the way that we hate the way Omega behaves and hasn't opined publicly on such matters,
Everett oh man. Uh
Everett I never would have thought that this show would
Everett have a negative input. We have ramifications. We
Andrew have ramifications. You know, you
Everett stand by your words. I
Andrew I take Yeah, no, I take nothing
Everett back. I feel like I'm pretty okay with everything I've ever said on the show. Some shit's been questionable, but you know, I generally feel pretty okay.
Everett It's like they made that question for us. I
Everett it's they did.
Everett Like these motherfuckers. Yeah, the and and it w and the best part would be when you won and then they were like, oh we see you light on your application.
Everett And then you don't so when I uh when I was selling beer, I was I worked for Anheuser Busch and I some of you may recall this, but I one of our competitor distributors uh sold Keystone and they were doing a text to win uh drift boat, there the only requirements were that you didn't work for any affiliates. And what I knew then, and and this is again, uh, you know, some industry knowledge, if you see a text to win
Andrew offer, text
Everett it, the amount of responses that come into text to win sweepstakes, especially local ones, are so few. We had under a hundred text-win applicants for a big ass tragir. The odds are really good.
Andrew Yeah. And for ones that last a while,
Everett you can typically enter your name every day. Wholly different. But if you see Text to Wins based off like from local entities, get in on it because nobody's doing it.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a good boat.
Everett It was a good boat. You sold it. I sold it for market
Andrew value. Like brand new market value. 12,000 bucks or something, right?
Everett Uh five. Okay. Yeah. You
Andrew sold that to Tony, you did. Yeah. Yeah. So I still have access to it. I can still
Everett I can still text Tony and be like, hey, like let's
Everett go, like, let's float the river. And he'll be like, yeah, let's ride.
Everett Uh what's next, Andrew?
Everett Oh, next for me. Um gosh, we already c oh let's let's let's keep it in the vein of uh limited editions
Andrew for for the time being. Uh the
Everett new Doxa Sub 300 TI 5 Clive Clive Custler Limited edition. Um I'm really pleasantly surprised by this Clive Custler edition. So many of them are like really big and like a little weird or have
Everett oddly novelties to like the heavy
Everett patent patina thing for these. Yeah, they've like
Everett the a map dial, a you know, throw all of them in a dryer together for a few days and just like see how they come out. This is not that. This is a fantastic gray on grade 5 titanium, uh, color match date wheel, Cosk certified, like just all the things that you want, and it's really, really good. It only comes on the rubber
Everett strap with a pin buckle.
Everett Uh only 300 of them, 330 and 90 bucks.
Andrew So you know, still they're limited edition pricing model,
Everett right? But this is good. This is a good Clive Custler.
Andrew Yeah, so they've got a like a dual
Everett level dial
Andrew here, which are both in titanium, which
Everett is a novelty, um, but very cool. So two
Andrew titanium discs sitting on top of one
Everett another with the cutouts being laser engraved that gives you sort of a negative space on the dial to form the hour markers, unlike the typical applied up hour markers they use. Uh it gives it sort of a
Everett I don't know really flat like
Andrew like kind of an aircraft vibe. Kind of
Everett instrumenty. Yeah, instrument vibe.
Andrew Um a a bit more technical
Everett looking than I think a lot of these things often
Andrew um uh th then they often
Everett come across uh it it definitely has like a bit of like oomph to it
Andrew that I think oftentimes the
Everett Doxa doesn't have much less the um you know last year they had the 700 the 750T Clive Custler edition, which I I did like because I do like that watch. Because
Andrew it's also the precursor to the seven fifty
Everett T coming out. Yeah, that's right. So
Everett this is a sub three hundred in
Andrew grade five titanium and it's it's really, really lovely.
Everett It's a shame that there's only three hundred of them.
Everett Yeah, that's right. There's there's not very many of
Andrew these. Because this gray doesn't exist in the
Everett DOX ecosystem. I suspect
Andrew these will be just slightly easier to come by than the 1969 moonswatch. Uh
Everett and because they don't care if you've uh talked shit about them before.
Everett That's right. You don't have to you don't have to pledge allegiance. I
Everett cannot believe that I just got edged out because of my journalistic uh freedoms as an American. That's a that feels like a ooh, I need a new, I need a constitutional lawyer.
Everett Um what I do uh I I think that
Andrew the bezel on this guy
Everett is it's either a polished
Andrew titanium or it's in stainless,
Everett but it it provides a really nice contrast between the mid-case and the bezel, that I find really compelling. Also, the color matched date wheel. It's a it
Everett looks really good. It looks really good. Because it's
Everett got red font on it, uh, or
Everett orange font, so it color matches the minute hand and the orange and the bezel.
Andrew Yeah, and it matches the decompression. This is a great watch.
Everett Yeah, I I gosh,
Everett I would get another Doxa if this was a
Everett a all the time color way.
Everett And they'll fly. I I mean it's not like these are gonna be widely like super super available, but um it
Everett it But I don't wanna pay thirty three hundred bucks for it. Like I wanna pay two thousand dollars for it. Well, that seems fair.
Andrew Have you ever heard of the Rolling Stones?
Everett Yeah, but I need it to be $2,000.
Andrew You can't. You can't always
Everett get a 2000. Um That's
Andrew what they said, right? The But you get what
Everett you need. The citizen?
Everett Citizen? Citizens released
Andrew a new Citizen ProMaster Dive,
Everett and it is likely the
Andrew most boring, most stable I like that word for this release. This is a very
Everett stable safe.
Everett Safe feels more pejorative,
Andrew but that's fair. Um yeah,
Everett they've released a new ProMaster
Everett EcoDrive dive watch, and it is I mean,
Everett I almost don't even know what to tell you about
Andrew this. And they didn't citizen it. That's what you can tell them.
Everett It's a 40.6mm case. It's 11.5 thick, 200 meters of water resistance. Like it they didn't ruin it.
Andrew They've done nothing bad here. Everything is good. It does have a the one thing that you may not notice if you if you look at this very quickly is that it has so they are aluminum bezel inserts and a PVD bezel that sits on top of a brushed silver
Everett steel case.
Andrew And it provides just but
Everett you can't really see that it's a PVD, a black PVD
Andrew bezel, uh until you sort of like because the way the light plays, like from the top down, it's a anyway.
Everett It's a really nice look. Um great
Andrew size on these great dimensions, 300 meters of water resistance. Two. Two. I swear it was 300. Am I just
Everett making things up? Okay. Well, 200 meters
Everett of water resistance. Um, they don't come on
Andrew a bracelet, at least at this point. I
Everett don't think they will. There were four of
Everett these released in Japan, three of these released in the US. A white dial, a with black bezel, a black dial with blackbezzel, and blue on blue in the US that you can get. Um
Everett What's the JDM? I don't
Everett know what it is. I was try trying to find it and I
Everett couldn't find it. Um probably
Everett red or something, knowing citizen, but um
Everett man, I'll tell you, super
Everett boring and just everything
Everett that I want. Great. $450
Everett on these. And based
Everett on citizens' pricing models, these
Everett will probably actually retail for 350 Yeah, maybe
Everett 375. Yeah. 375
Everett somewhere in that range. Um on
Everett Joma for 350, 375 all day or day.
Everett And gosh, I'll tell you, if you really just
Andrew want a no-shit grab and go,
Everett truly grab and grow, grab and go
Everett quartz watch,
Everett I I think you'd be hard pressed to do a lot better than this. You know, we we talk a little bit about well
Everett The only wrinkle is with with EcoDrive you do have to wear it with some kind of frequency. It they they've improved Eco D
Everett It least has to be exposed to sunlight.
Everett To sunlight. They've improved the eco drive such that the ambient light of a room or even lights, like overhead lights, will a f offer some charge, but it it really needs to get some sunlight from time to time to to regen.
Everett But but of course this is the this
Andrew is one of the new uh one of the new versions
Everett of EcoDrive movement so
Andrew it's the E118. So you're you're gonna have um you're gonna have
Everett a a pretty trouble free as long as it's getting just a little bit of sunlight. Oh
Andrew Andrew, the the JDM version is
Everett black dial orange bezel insert orange strap.
Everett That's pretty pretty cool. Yeah. I I gotta dig my avion out for you. It's been sitting in the window for years.
Everett Okay. It's got some sun bleaching and it looks
Everett sexy. Nice. It it might it it's gonna find its way into a a more uh frequent position in the in the watch wearing.
Everett I like that. What is what what what was the uh resultant color?
Everett Uh so the orange has kind of faded out. It's not like it it's not it's just not bright orange anymore. It's a little bit softer. That gray dial is kind of ghosty. Uh and it's not dust on the on the crystal, either I checked. I did give it a lick and a and a wipe. Shouldn't lick it in case it's dusty, but I did get a lick and a wipe.
Everett Yeah. Cool. Yeah.
Everett I actually I don't know where it is. I didn't see it today when I was moving through watches, but um
Everett What's new, sir? Ooh, new
Andrew for me. Let's talk
Everett about hmm. Yemma. Always. Just just always always doing it right. So Yemma has released a new Navy Graft Barracuda CMM 2.20 in limited edition, that was uh developed with the French Navy. Um, when I first read that, it like it seemed odd
Andrew to me. I France
Everett obviously has a navy, it just
Andrew never has entered
Everett into my mind that there would be that there there's a French Navy. Sure. Post, you know, American Revolution. So that's a a little bit of a of a confession that I have that I just like, wow, French, why would they have a navy? Well, obviously they have a navy. Uh so what we have here is a forged carbon dial, which is super cool. It is so neat. I think last time we talked about forged carbon, I uh did some research into what forged carbon is. It is exactly just forged carbon. Yeah. It's there's I I I don't know, I figured it would be something different than like an actual metallurgy practice, but it nope, it is just forged carbon.
Everett It's just heat and pressure to Yep.
Everett To get that get these designs and these shapes. So applied hour markers, stainless steel finished. Uh the
Andrew CMM to point two to point to
Everett Movement uh only making four hundred pieces of them. But this thing is just neat, right? It it I'm aside from being a partnership with the French Navy, this would be a cool just limited release on its own. It's got this really neat uh red see-through case back that says uh Forces South Marines and Marine Nationale, which I think is uh French naval forces and the French Navy. Um but you know, I don't I don't speak French. I don't parlez vous. Um
Everett You mean parlez bows. Yeah,
Everett yeah, you're right. Gosh, I just I can't do anything right today. But but it's a navy graph, right? But with a with cool new touches, cool new flares, a uh countdown timer from your uh gosh where are we at? The eight o'clock to the twelve o'clock. Just cool details, cool watch. Like I I I just like looking at it. That's all I want to say. I just like the way it's designed. And there's
Andrew it's like sub-ten millimeters without the crystal
Everett too. I don't know if you mentioned that. No, I forgot to mention
Everett that. Yeah, it's the the dimensions on this
Everett are fantastic. All of the CMM movements. Yemma,
Andrew I think the reason Yemma stole my
Everett heart, I'll speak for myself, Andrew, but I assume you're on sort of the same uh plane. Is
Andrew that when they went in-house,
Everett they went in-house with the
Andrew intention of doing something
Everett that they were not able to do externally, which is to really emphasize, very thin, very wearable movements. That seems
Andrew like such a novel
Everett concept and watches, especially today, you you know,
Andrew we've got a few brands that are doing a similar thing.
Everett Gnomos is doing a similar thing, but oftentimes we get these brands and they go in-house and they are incorporating some technology, especially with bigger brands, um, that
Andrew is like this is really cool. And you're
Everett like, Yeah, but you forgot about the fact
Andrew that someone was gonna have to wear this Omega. Uh okay, so I'm not gonna get a nineteen sixty
Everett nine moons watch. You know, like Grant's
Andrew ego, yeah, right. You know, you are doing really cool things, but you're forgetting about the fact that at some point this is gonna go into a metal
Everett box that's gonna sit on someone's wrist
Everett and wrap around it, and they're gonna have to lug that bitch around all day.
Everett Yemna seems almost almost
Andrew singularly focused
Everett on dimensional improvement with their in-house efforts. And I'm
Andrew I'm a really big fan of that. I
Everett I want to echo what you're saying. And they went in-house for a reason. And that reason was meaningful. We see, you know, in the last ten years we've seen brands come about and and come to exist because they're like, oh, I I just wanted to wear the watch, I just wanted to make the watch that I wanted to wear. Or brands like, well, I couldn't find the handset that I wanted. So we went in-house and we manufactured our own this, that, or the other thing. And there's no actual tangible benefit to that in-house manufacturing process. But with Yemma, when they went in-house with this movement, they didn't say, Oh, we're gonna make our own shit and it's gonna be just the same as everyone else's. No, no, we're gonna make our own shit and it's gonna be meaningfully better. Like that's the reason we're doing it ourselves. Because the thing that we want to do to improve this product, to improve this thing that we're making isn't commercially available elsewhere. So we're just gonna do it. And that's I think what really enamored me, like got me so enamored with Yemma, is that they decided to to do a thing that was meaningfully better.
Everett Yeah. Well, and and and that's not to show th throw shade on anybody else, right? I I mean maybe a little bit on Omega and Grad Seiko, but that's that's low hanging fruit. Um
Everett you know, the uh uh the
Andrew fact that their priorities line
Everett up really closely I think with our priorities is is just a thing right but the
Andrew fact is that they do line up with
Everett our priorities and so yum is awesome.
Everett Yes yeah. That's a this this is a perfect 5x factor movement.
Everett So notice and raven. Notice
Everett and raven. So uh it's
Everett no secret that we are close
Andrew with Notice, and uh I
Everett think it's perhaps no secret that I'm close with Wes and Colin from Notice. Um
Everett really like Steve. And
Everett and and then of course there's Steve from Raven. Now I think for m a an outset observer,
Everett it might like the relationship between Notice
Andrew and Raven might be a little
Everett like Raven, Steve Steve Laughlin's Kansas based company, Notice LA based company. I mean, sort of in the space at the same time doing similar things, but I I think the
Andrew But in meaningfully different ways.
Everett That's right. The relationship is
Andrew like so two years ago they released
Everett their first trail tracker, a watch that I've known about for a very long time. Um,
Everett and and it's a hit, right? This is a great watch.
Andrew It I I had a little bit different experience
Everett here. I I've met Steve uh on a number of occasions now. Uh
Andrew really really like the guy. Uh I've
Everett had beers with Steve on a number of occasions,
Everett but every single time
Everett I've ever had beer with Steve, I was also having beer with Weson Cullen. So, and this is going back, you know, now at this point, you know, gosh, six, seven years, right? So these are two groups of people, you know, or just that are into
Everett me, like this makes a ton of sense,
Everett right? Like it just when they when they first told me about the trail trekker, I was like, this is gonna be fucking rad, and you guys, I'm so glad you guys are doing this. But I think for the outside observer, it might have been sort of a weird, like what are they well why these why
Everett anyway? They make perfect sense. They
Andrew make perfect sense. And I will also say,
Everett as someone that knows both of you know, both Weson Cullen and Steve, this
Everett watchch is su a fantastic, sensical collab. I love what they've done in the past, and I love what they're doing today. So uh
Everett the original trail trekker, really well built,
Andrew very good looking, GMT
Everett watch, gone instantly. Uh, then we got sort of a like a white out version also that was sexy AF. Um
Everett and now we're getting a new sort of black and forged carbon
Everett version. So maybe we can bring Wes and
Everett Cullen and Steve on to talk about the process of what Ford is card.
Andrew Steve hates doing podcasts. I think Steve hates
Everett us. I don't blame him. Um he does. He he he vocalized that. Uh
Everett Contrail GMT, 39.5mm
Everett wide, 118 thick, which you know,
Andrew this is a beefy watch. Steve has personally fingerprints all over
Everett it. Steve has personally stated to me that he thinks the smaller, thinner watch trend is a fool's errand and he just isn't going to play that game. Uh notice also not sort of thinness chasers never have been. Part of that is that they're using a lot of Seiko movements. Part of that is that's just not their priorities. Um, so it's no surprise that this is a bigger watch, 40 millimeters, uh 39 and a half, 200 meters of water resistance.
Andrew Uh we for the first time get a 24-hour
Everett bezel. It's a forged with carbon
Everett bezel. A forged carbon insert. That's right. Um so you know, as Andrew was stating, forged carbon, just chopped up carbon. Gets hot and mushed. Yeah. Made very hot and mushed together.
Everett That's the scientific terminology for it.
Andrew Inside of this watch, we've got a Miyota 9075,
Everett which I think is a great choice. 42 hour power reserve, solid case back, stamped with the trail tracker logo. Uh steel flat link bracelet with an FKM rubber strap in the box. Notice and Raven, both very good at providing you good options for wearing. Uh thousand bucks, thousand seventy-five will be available at intersect la on july seventeenth and eighteenth which is this weekend uh general sale opening on july twenty second
Everett uh you you maybe forgot
Andrew to mention the coolest part. Oh,
Everett maybe I did.
Everett The loom integration into
Andrew the forged carbon. Yeah. This
Everett is like looking at a lava lamp.
Everett Yeah. But it just thin streaks
Everett and stripes of loom in this forged carbon that makes it look very uh alien-y
Andrew and like it doesn't look
Everett tranny, right? Because it's random
Andrew or it at least appears it has to actually
Everett be random. It's it's it looks more galaxy.
Everett Yes, it's it's like uh Nebulous. Yeah. Right? That's I think the the best word that I have for it. A nebula? Right? It's this
Andrew swarming, swirling pool
Everett of potential and life. And there's
Everett a study in etymology that needs to happen there that we haven't done, but uh yeah, I I don't I don't I I won't argue with your I won't argue with your choice of word.
Andrew Good. Uh it looks super cool. It's like somewhere between tie-dye and a lava lamp with notices I mean direct competitiveness with Seiko
Everett in the terms of loom power,
Andrew right? Like you can spot a Seiko lit
Everett up across a well lit room just like you can a notice because the loom
Andrew is just so uh
Everett so thick and densely
Andrew packed in there that like it's just always on.
Everett What's next? Okay. Uh
Andrew I don't know. What are we where are we at right now?
Everett Yeah, we're at 43 minutes. We're
Everett at 43 minutes. We have time to talk
Andrew about some more watches. We do um
Everett I've got at least one more I want to talk about. Let's talk about the Christopher Ward collaboration
Everett with Zand
Andrew with the 12 Xander. So they're
Everett making 150 of these limited edition
Andrew 12s in
Everett a skeletonized version with this bizarre graffiti-esque
Andrew painting on the skeletonized
Everett movement from the top down. Uh and it and from the bottom,
Andrew right? It's this whole this whole all the top view, all
Everett the bottom view is graffiti painted 12. Uh, and it is something that doesn't
Andrew compute with me, right? Because uh I I tend to think of Christopher Ward as pretty restrained
Everett in their design. Even when they could go skeletonized, you know, I I think the Bel Canto, though novel and revolutionary, is still really restrained. That could have been a disaster and it wasn't. I think the 12 is also something that could have been a disaster, but it wasn't because of their restraint. And this is just not that. This is just like pure fun collaboration. And I kind of dig it. It's not for me, but it's so far out of where I imagine Christopher Ward that I'm having trouble reconciling a 12 that looks like this.
Everett Yeah, I'm not sure. I I don't think you said it,
Andrew but this is a collaboration with Chris Alexander, aka
Everett the dial artist, who I think dial artists sort of first got
Andrew famous with just like his own personal creations, where he was applying
Everett paint to dials for his own
Andrew watches on social media and the people who
Everett like that's rad. And then he's making these, and then he's worked with IFL a lot.
Everett Um, and he's just sort
Andrew of he's sort of a dude, and he is really well known for his watch art. And yeah, I mean this is a cool. These are all hand painted sort of IFL, but this platform, you know, you know
Everett It's not a dial that's hand painted, it's a movement that's
Andrew hand painted. I think it was in the very last
Everett well the yes. Okay, we'll come back to that.
Everett It it in I we'll come back
Everett to that. In the very last episode I kind of said,
Andrew well, IFL, these watches, you know, hand painted, I get it, but it's not for me. Uh, this is
Everett different, and and that's I think because
Andrew of the lack of a dial on the 12.
Everett The 12 is a heavily skeletonized
Andrew movement, and Christopher Ward has really just said we're gonna omit the dial
Everett with these, by and large. And so
Everett he's taken to painting the skeletonized
Everett parts that a dial would normally sit on. It
Everett is a fantastic look. It's a beautiful
Everett watch. It's bizarre. I
Everett like it a lot. And because they're all unique and
Andrew different, uh yeah,
Everett this is th it's cool, but it's it's it's confusing to me.
Andrew Yeah. I don't know how to reconcile
Everett it. Yeah, how much are these? These are ooh, they're making a hundred and fifty of them and they're coming in at six thousand US money.. Yeah On uh
Everett you gotta want this. Yeah. You you're
Everett gonna have to want these. Um Benjamin
Everett James. Benjamin James is sort of a
Everett new player in the
Everett watch world. And then a few years ago, they released the scarafor, the Benjamin
Andrew James Scarafor. I don't remember if we talked
Everett about this watch or not. Um, but really what, it was is a a pretty dressy, sporty TV watch, really
Andrew sort of like good
Everett build quality, not gonna
Everett knock any horologists' socks
Everett off, but just cool. Just cool. Um
Everett and then I think at some time, at some point,
Everett like the cubitus came out and there was kind of some
Everett comparisons made,
Everett and even sort of, oh, well, this Benjamin James like is kind of uh coming through at an interesting time. Anyway, it it kind of fell off my radar.
Everett I remember seeing it and it fell off my radar.
Everett Well, they
Everett have now released a second watch,
Andrew a follow-up to that first, and they're calling it the Deerhurst,
Everett which I think is a bizarre name. Uh not that there's
Andrew anything particularly bizarre. It's like a it's a
Everett deer sausage about Bratwurst.
Everett It feels weird for a name. Um but this is a uh again, a neo-vintage sort of TV dialed
Everett watch uh with
Everett a manually wound a manually
Andrew wound regulator in
Everett a curvy tv case.
Everett It's really interesting.
Everett A nurled bezel. A hobnail
Everett bezel. So this has a hobnail
Everett bezel and it's gorgeous. It is
Everett absolutely stunning. So
Everett 36 millimeter case on a TV dial. It's gonna
Everett wear every bit of a 40. It's
Everett gonna be eh, maybe 38-ish. Uh
Andrew 42 millimeter lug-to-lug and nine
Everett point one millimeters thick, thanks
Everett to that manual wine movement.
Everett Uh stainless steel, we've
Andrew got a really, really
Everett nice, like sort of curvy bevel on the
Everett very thin and delicate lugs. Um, really nice, like curvy
Everett case profiles. Uh,
Everett this is very much a vintage looking
Everett watch. Um w
Everett comes in an old English white, burgundy, and denim blue. How do you
Everett feel about the fonts? All of those are lacquered
Everett uh lacquered polished dials with colored match sub-dials that are that have
Everett these really nice concentric rings in the sub-dials to give you
Everett a little bit of texture. Uh also matching
Andrew handset finish because
Everett it's a regulator, you get central hand showing the minutes, a small seconds at six, and an hour at 12, and
Everett which is crazy, which is just cool.
Everett It's hard to read. And a
Everett custom font set that I love.
Everett I I I'd hoped that you would say
Everett that. That I love.
Everett I absolutely love
Everett the custom font set. So there are
Andrew a few things here I don't like. They've
Everett used uh like
Andrew uh like rivet uh
Everett rivet or screw heads on
Andrew the dial, both at
Everett the hour markers on the on the
Everett on the minute track track and hour track.
Everett And on the hour track. I don't
Everett love that. I think I think rivet is is the right word for that.
Everett I don't love that feature. Um, but everything
Andrew else I just find really,
Everett really intelligently put
Andrew together. What
Everett I can appreciate about those rivet markers is that they match the pins for each of the hands. They they're they're all it's uniformly across everything is riveted down.
Andrew Yeah. Uh I but I but I
Everett share your It does feel like a built it
Andrew feels like a built movement. And and it probably
Everett isn't, right? It's probably uh uh because of the price. So this comes in at what
Everett thousand five hundred or
Everett so, um, which means it's almost certainly not a handbuilt movement, but it does feel that way. Uh
Everett Salita 266 1558
Andrew money. Salita 266-1
Everett M with that regulator
Everett setup. Yeah, four hertz movement. I mean nothing nothing like
Everett like I said, nothing horologically uh groundbreaking here, but
Everett really interesting execution and
Andrew a beautiful watch. Yeah, the
Everett blue is really, really nice. Yeah, I like the
Andrew blue black leather. That's my favorite.
Everett I do wish that this came in a black.
Andrew Or even a crispy white. I yeah, that's
Everett right. I don't love the antique.
Everett I the the both the blue
Everett and the oxblood uh
Everett burgundy, whatever we're gonna call that, are nice. But
Everett I I don't really like burgundy. Yeah.
Andrew I I don't like most red watches. They were indecision.
Everett They remind me of the like HIV campaign from the early two thousand two thousands where everything was like in parentheses red and like everyone had a red thing.
Everett Yeah. Uh that's like right where my
Everett head goes whenever I see a red uh tiled watch. I don't know why. I can't I'm I don't know.
Andrew You know, the other thing about this watch that I'm
Everett maybe not wild about is the bracelet. It is a uh seven
Everett link with pretty
Everett evenly spaced links uh and it and it's pretty s it it's pretty expansive you know I think it's been
Everett way better on mesh yeah well
Everett it and and I guess uh for once, this is
Everett not my typical response, but for once, I do think this watch wears much better on a strap than it does a bracelet, or at least it appears so. I I don't really like their strap options. I think it's because the
Everett bracelet kind of sucks for it. I think if this is on mesh with a straight link with a straight bar.
Everett Maybe. I think this gets your this
Everett revs ya. Yeah, maybe. It would rev me.
Andrew Yeah. Um but it's
Everett beautiful, right? I actually think put this thing
Everett on a fucking black croc and it's even
Everett on even the blue dial, like a rock on a black really
Andrew shiny black croc. Oh yeah. Like more
Everett shine on it than any of the polished surfaces on the watch.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think so.
Everett Anyway, really kind of affordable, very cool watch. Something I, you know, wasn't on my radar. Um
Everett I think it it captures that like kind of uh high horology feel of kind of a weird uh movement something like novel but not novelty
Everett yeah uh without
Everett being prohibitive. Yeah,
Everett sort of uh you know uh uh not to over characterize anything, but kind of similar feel to what Dennison is doing
Everett with their watches. Yeah.
Andrew Um Andrew, other thing?
Everett Yeah, so I um I watched a new TV show today as background noise.
Everett Okay. It's called the Hawk.
Everett It is available on Netflix. That's where I watched it. Um
Andrew yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It has
Everett received scathing reviews. Okay. Scathing reviews. Lackluster. Boring. But here's what it is. This is a millennials time machine. Imagine Will Farrell at his peak, like at the height of Will Farrell. Cuz he's still there. But
Andrew he's a professional golfer who
Everett is kind of it's kind of like Happy Gilmore flavored, but more has-been rather than never was. So the whole premise of this show is that Will Farrell plays a has-been golfer who when he was was uh a multi-time champion and was top of his game and then uh crumbled and so we join Will Farrell in his quest to get back onto the tour why where his adult son is a member of the tour and his estranged wife is uh what's her name? Julie Shannon. Uh she's an SNL lady. Um Julie Shannon? She's the lady. Molly Shannon.
Andrew She's the lady with uh who smells her armpits.
Everett Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Molly, so the here's the thing. This is a who's who. Will Farrell, Molly Shannon, Fortune Feemster, Feemster, Feamster, David Hornsby, Luke Wilson, Chris Parnell, uh Keith David, just everyone who
Andrew gets on screen you recognize.
Everett And the reviews are it's not funny enough. No, the reality is this is a this is Will Farrell getting to make a
Andrew five-hour movie instead of being
Everett limited to 90 to 120 minutes. So that's what he did. And it is funny. It is exactly as surface level as you want it to be. It is millennial like
Andrew safety blanket of
Everett Will Ferrell greatness. I've loved every second of it. The critics will not, because the critics also didn't love Taladega Knights. Or Anchorman or Blades of Glory or any of that, right? You know, but this is that ilk. This is that made into five hours of consumable media instead of being limited to an hour and a half. Watch it. It's available on Netflix. It's perfect background noise. It's funny. It's silly. It's stupid. And it takes you right back to sitting on your friend's couch watching Talladega Nights as a kid. I loved it.
Everett I like that. Is it Is it funny?
Everett It's funny enough. It didn't
Andrew make you laugh though. I I laughed
Everett more than once, but I enjoyed it the whole time. Right. Like it's not like it's not written like a lot of modern comedies, right? Okay, if we look at some of the best modern comedies, uh and let's use Ted Lasso for example. Every line of Ted Lasso is a joke. And that's what's so beautiful about this show is that they're somehow able to work in only joke form while building really beautiful characters and carrying a story.
Andrew That's like some kind of unheard
Everett of accomplishment in the way of dramedy writing.
Everett Okay. Right. But but
Everett 20 years ago, at the peak of Will Farrell, there's fun
Andrew in between, and then there's a
Everett joke. And then the fun like carries you to the next joke. So you enjoy all of it, but you're not constantly laughing. There's not the obscure quotes like from Ted Lasso where if you like every every line is funny. Even the sad lines are funny.
Andrew Yeah. This
Everett isn't that, right? Like Will Farrell has not evolved to keep up with modern comedy writing. He is still the frat pack, and the show is very much that. And I loved it.
Andrew Yeah, I'll give it a try. You're
Everett not gonna hate it. You're gonna you're just gonna watch it and you're gonna enjoy it and you're gonna laugh some and a couple times you're gonna feel a little awkward and sometimes you're gonna go,
Everett Ooh. How many episodes? Uh
Everett ten. But they're thirty minutes. So okay.
Everett So pretty quick. Yeah, they're just it it
Everett I burned through it. I assume it's like one
Everett and done, right? I assume this is a single season. I will I
Everett will not watch it again, right? This isn't Anchorman that you could watch like you just like
Everett No no I was gonna I I mean I I assume this is like a single season.
Everett I hope so. Okay. I can't imagine. I haven't finished the last episode, but I can't imagine this gets renewed.
Everett Andrew, I've got another thing. Do me. So my other thing is it's actually a twofer. You would it it is really
Everett Yeah, it and that's okay. Um so I
Everett I have been building
Andrew a a shop, right?
Everett Uh I think I've talked about this on the show a number of times. I've been building a shop
Andrew and I am, you know, uh
Everett kind of going slow, but filling
Andrew holes and uh
Everett you know, trying to buy tools that will meet my immediate needs and then and then other tools. And I'm working on a motorcycle
Andrew and uh, you know,
Everett working on, you know, being ready to work on the cars and just trying to be
Andrew more hands-on with my stuff.
Everett So one of the things
Andrew that I knew
Everett I needed, but I've been kind of hesitant to buy, was a good wrench
Andrew set, like a standard combination
Everett wrench set.
Everett And the reason I've been
Andrew hesitant to buy a combination
Everett wrench set is that
Andrew wrenches are a little sort of I'll send you a link, Andrew, but uh I can see you're looking at your phone on
Everett the trying to like uh Wrenches
Andrew are are an interesting item in the sense that you can get everything from fairly inexpensive ranches that are today
Everett made in Taiwan are very good,
Andrew very capable. Everything from that to you know,
Everett a snap-on combination red set, which is gonna cost, you know, $650, $700.
Everett I guess I'm wondering what the delta is between a a piece of forged steel In in that affordable to luxury. Right, right. So maybe that's the question that you're about to answer. But it's just a single piece of forged steel with one open end, one closed end. Variable shank lengths, right? Like
Andrew Yeah, well it and I and
Everett I I w I guess you said I'm gonna answer that. I'm not sure I'm going to. Oh. Um
Everett so your other thing is that the hunt remains.
Everett Yeah, no, the hunt doesn't remain. I I've
Everett I've cracked the code, at least
Everett for myself, I've cracked the code. Um
Everett but I I I sort of had to sort of
Everett I don't know, kind of figure out what my priorities were. You know, the the the reality is again today you can get very good wrenches. So there's a couple brands that come up. You know, Gear Wrench is a
Andrew brand that is very popular
Everett amongst sort of homeowners for being like mechanic quality. There's a brand called Tecton, which is a US company that mostly outsources to other countries uh its production, but also has a number of American-made tools, not wrenches, notably. Um
Andrew and then and and then there are any number of other very good tools, and then
Everett you sort of can get into the tool truck world,
Andrew like Mac tools or Matco
Everett or um and then of course you can
Everett go to fucking Lowe's and get Cobalt.
Everett That like if you break it, uh you just bring a cobalt cobalt tool back into Lowe's and they just give you the new one.
Everett Correct. Or you can still get craftsman,
Andrew although craftsman uh is is a a
Everett a shadow of its former self, you can
Andrew still buy craftsman wrenches. And they're probably for most people,
Everett myself included, gonna be great.
Andrew So I think I think combination wrenches are
Everett an interesting I think like combination wrenches, screw like fixed screwdrivers are kind of an interesting place in that world of like it it can only get so good.
Everett Yeah. Oh yeah. The diminishing
Everett return happens fast. And of course there
Andrew are channels like Torque Test Channel
Everett and Project Farm or whatever that will uh uh
Everett with various different testing
Everett methods kind of try to like uh you
Andrew know put these in place. But but the reality is for for most
Everett people, any you know, husky from
Andrew Hope Depot, uh Craftsman,
Everett uh would the thing you can buy
Everett is almost certainly going to be good enough. Almost
Andrew certainly gonna be good enough. And to your point, Andrew, if you go get cobalt,
Everett inexpensive, you might spend 80 or
Andrew 100 bucks on a wrench set, lifetime guaranteed.
Everett And then there's Harbor Freight. Right? And then there's Harbor Freight. You've got
Andrew Icon, which are very nice, sort of mechanic professional grade tools that are lifetime warranted. But
Everett then you've also got Pittsburgh tools,
Andrew which are much less expensive,
Everett still warranted for life,
Andrew and still very good. So and still just pressed or like forged steel. That's right. And professionals
Everett are are using these, right? Today
Andrew there are mechanics using Pittsburgh wrench sets
Everett and they're like, these are fine. And when they break, I
Andrew take 'em so anyway, I'm kind of trying to figure
Everett out my priorities. I I feel like a combination wrench
Andrew set is just a staple item, and in some
Everett ways, sort of it's like my identity is wrapped up in this decision, and and which is bizarre, and and so just forgive me for a
Andrew moment, but um, I one of the things
Everett I do try to do when I am gonna make a decision like that is I kind of try to think of like what
Andrew are the economic impacts of what I'm doing. And I love buying American stuff. I love
Everett buying American stuff because I know that I'm supporting our economy, I'm supporting American manufacturing, I'm supporting some family who's probably gone
Andrew through tough times. Uh, you
Everett know, perhaps a family or a group of people, I say a family, but you know, some
Andrew group
Everett It's a contribution. It's a contribution
Everett to an idea, right? You know, the reason we won World War II is because we made everything here.
Everett That doesn't happen it was because of the American
Everett fighting man and the man behind the man behind the gun.
Everett Not true. It's because we controlled
Andrew manufacturing. And that doesn't happen today, right?
Everett You know, that we don't control. In fact, we so anyway, I think I've said that two episodes straight.
Andrew We've spiraled here. I I found a company. It's a
Everett company that maybe people have heard of. I
Andrew had I was really unfamiliar. There's a company
Everett called the Wright Tool Company.
Andrew Uh and uh they are
Everett uh out of Michigan or Ohio,
Andrew depending on which part of right tool we're talking
Everett about, but this is a
Everett company that makes their own tools.
Everett That's they sent me Forge.
Everett They forge. I sent you Oh
Everett you sent me the the Harry Epstein.
Everett Yes. Oh okay so that's the twofer. So there there are two companies I want to talk about right now? One of these is Right Tool Company. So Right
Everett Tool makes a very,
Everett very good combination wrench
Everett set. Uh they make
Everett a bunch of different sets, but they make a very good combination
Everett wrench. You can get these in blasted finish
Everett or polished finish. Their chrome work is maybe
Everett a little sus compared to like some other
Everett companies, but their actual wrench quality is second
Andrew almost second to none. These compete
Everett almost neck and neck with like Snap-on flank drive, the best wrenches you can buy. They're made in the US. They sell for anywhere from 35 to 50% of what you would get snap-on wrenches for. Uh from made in the USA product. And so I did I bit the bullet on a 7 to 22 millimeter 15-piece. Do they have uh
Everett Imperial sizing too? They do. So you just you just bought the metrics.
Everett I just bought the metric set because Imperial wrenches if you're working on cars in 2026. Unless you're working on old Fords or something like you're going to be using metric wrenches. So I just got the re metric set. 240 bucks. A lot of money. It is a big fucking ask. But
Everett comes in a nice waxed canvas tool
Andrew bag though. And that's your thing. And I just
Everett think no, I don't even have them in the roll. Um, I've got them in my toolbox in a in a stand. Um, the two
Andrew for here is because I I just love
Everett the idea of this company. Here's a company that's committed. They're like, we're doing it. We're gonna through thick and thin, we're gonna charge what we need to charge to keep it going please buy our products and people do i do and and maybe you should too i bought them from a tool store this is a tool store i had a kansas city a tool store out of Kansas city called hairy J. Epstein.
Everett Not affiliated and not in
Andrew the files. Not affiliated.
Everett I think this has to be one of the coolest companies in the entire United States. Harry Epstein is an old school tool company. They cater primarily to blue-collar professionals in the Kansas City area. They have everything that any sort of tradesman would ever need to do their job. They buy they buy sort of uh the true believer companies stock and sell them. So what you're getting is a whole bunch of very cool American companies that that you really are not going to find on the shelves of Lowe's, right? We're talking about Mayhew, Lang. Um you know, there's a they they carry a billion companies, but they also buy like really cool Japanese tools. Kyoto Tool Company, Koken, um, they have an incredible stock.
Andrew So they're buying the shit.
Everett They're buying the shit. It's this is a curated
Andrew tool store. That's right. And
Everett if I ever get to Kansas City, I am 100% gonna pilgrimage there. Uh the owner, a fellow named Jory Sakan, he is, I believe, a fourth-generation family owner. Harry Epstein, I think, is great grandpa. Uh eventually wound up in the hands of Steve Sacken, who's Jory's dad. These guys just seem fucking awesome. Steve died, I want to say last year. And Jory has taken over. I think these are salt of the earth people, and I just love everything about this company. Uh and so those are my two things. One, Wright Tool Company, and two, Harry J. Epstein tools, tool company.
Andrew How was the roll that it came in? It's
Everett it's fantastic. It is uh it's not waxed, it's a denim roll, it's wonderful, it's beautiful. Uh I immediately took the wrenches out of that and put them in my very nice tool cart, uh, but it is a very nice tool roll. It it I felt good about the purchase, Andrew.
Everett That's something. I felt
Everett good about the purchase. Uh, you know, I don't need a $240. They're the right grip two point oh. They've got a fantastic like gripping. I don't need that. I don't need that. But I wanted to I I just like buying things that I feel good about. I felt so good about this purchase. And I'm a Harry J. Epstein customer now. Like if I can, I'm gonna buy my shit from there because I just love the fact that they're they're like committed to this sort of ambiguous philosophy and and we need more of it. And so I'm a true believer and I wanted to share that. Look
Everett at you. Which I think is what what other things
Everett are for. It's exactly what share things
Andrew are for. So uh and for those
Everett of you in the Kansas City area, fix
Andrew where you're buying your tools. Sorry if that got
Everett ranty, but I just love it. I'm really happy about it. I didn't mean to be ranty. I meant to be just like excited. I'm very excited.
Everett Everything you do is a rant. Yeah, fair
Everett enough. Everything. Fair enough. It's pretty cool though.
Everett I'd love to hear you opine on toilet paper.
Andrew Yeah. I don't have opinions about toilet
Everett paper. I think if you got going on it
Andrew you would. I don't think I do. Yeah. I mean
Everett I y you know there are things that I can't
Andrew You're telling me that porta potty, like
Everett chemical toilet, toilet paper.
Everett I mean, I probably don't love it, but it's also not something I'm gonna spend a lot of time worrying about.
Everett That's my wife asked me once. She was like,
Everett Do you like this toilet paper or this toilet paper? I was like I didn't know that they were I I never noticed that they were different.
Andrew You maybe need to do a better job wiping.
Everett I don't wipe. That's the deal. Oh, there it is. Yeah,
Andrew yeah. You got that bidet. You're better than all of
Everett us. Andrew, anything else you want to talk about before
Everett we go? No, I don't want to hear any more about your
Everett bidet. Hey folks, thanks for joining us for this
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