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A 2000 Meter Dive Watch That is Not Dumb (398)

Published on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 22:38:58 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 and 20 WatchClicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch releases and share personal updates. The episode covers several new timepieces including Bremont's HMAF military-inspired collection, Certina's impressive DS Super PH 2000 with 2,000 meters of water resistance at an accessible price point, and Christopher Ward's whimsical collaboration with Seconde Seconde on the C60 Pool Diver. They also examine Tissot's refreshed Seastar 2000 Professional, Hanhart's desert sand titanium chronograph, Traska's refined Venturer GMT with its controversial 21mm lug width, and Doxa's new T-Graph 2 chronograph in multiple colorways.

The hosts share a philosophical discussion about brand expectations and how watches are received when companies venture outside their traditional lanes. Andrew discusses his enjoyment of Taylor Sheridan's new Yellowstone spin-off "Dutton Ranch," while noting the disappointing "Lawmen: Bass Reeves" series. Everett enthusiastically introduces his other thing: a New Riff alligator char barrel pick whiskey from a Eugene, Oregon liquor store—a five-year bourbon that he considers among the best he's tasted, despite its youth. The episode captures their characteristic blend of watch enthusiasm, candid opinions, and appreciation for quality spirits, all delivered with their signature conversational style.

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Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the WatchClicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm good, Andrew. I'm good.
Andrew Okay. Happy to hear it. Yeah, I
Everett was trying to think. I was going to so like
Andrew I've I'm really excited about a
Everett thing, but I can't talk about it
Andrew yet. I can't talk about it yet. In
Everett fact, I could talk about it.
Andrew Best no. That's a that's a gamble.
Everett But best don't, right. Yeah. So uh I will not, but I will talk about it. Let me think. I will talk about it after the 24th. Is that our next episode? No, it still probably won't be time. Maybe.
Andrew We'll probably record on the 24th.
Everett Well, if we do it'll be the 25th. So the 24th is the day I will be able to talk to
Andrew you. Yeah, you're not gonna hear from us. This is
Everett embargoed. This is embargoed news, but it's got me excited. At first, I was like it was like a really nervous, anxious excitement, but I've settled into just like plain old excitement.
Andrew I like it. Yeah. Uh
Everett it's not watch related, by the way, you
Andrew guys. Not necessarily.
Everett Just not even a little bit. Could be.
Andrew You could find a through line there. Yeah. We're professionals. That's
Everett right. That's right. But I'm doing well. I'm I'm sort of in a really nice place. I had a whiskey already before I came over
Andrew here. Right. I had a whiskey. It's my
Everett other thing, so I'm not going to talk about it quite yet.
Andrew Okay. But
Everett it's fantastic. It's fantastic. It'll be my other thing though. So again, you're just gonna have to wait. I am a I am a just a blue-ball and son of a bitch right now.
Andrew You you really are. And it's all just a big tease from you.
Everett It's not on purpose. Ah, is
Andrew it? It's not on purpose. Well, no,
Everett it's not at all on purpose. The whiskey, you're gonna get there really quick. The other thing, like I was like I was really contemplating you said you said, Everett, how are you? And I like almost came out of my mouth. Which is fine. I would have
Andrew insisted that you uh edited it out. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Um it but it I was like, no, I can't talk about that yet. So Yeah, I mean it's fine 'cause we edit it, right? I could I could say anything I want. I could say poo-poo pee pee and just edit it right out.
Andrew Yeah, but we don't ever edit out poo-poo pee pee.
Everett You're right. You're right about that. That's staying, I guess.
Andrew Yeah, that's yeah. That's the kind of that that's like low level. Like things have gotten a little bit sideways here.
Everett And we're like, you know what? Okay.
Everett You know, I have uh on my sort
Andrew of everyday skis, my main skis,
Everett I have a uh it's a it looks like a Patagonia sticker, but it says poo-poo pee pee on it.
Andrew I like it. Yeah. Everyday squeeze should have a sticker that says poo-poo pee pee.
Everett Um Andrew, how are you?
Andrew I'm good. I am gonna I'm gonna apologize. I uh I took an accidental nap on the couch. Uh I sat down and I woke up because my dog was screaming at the door. Uh and it's it's uh it's not twilight yet. What would you call this? Isn't dusk. This is like blue it's we call this
Everett golden hour. It's this is yeah golden hour heading in the blue hour.
Andrew Yes. Uh and this hour it is uh eight fifty PM right now. Looks just like eight fifty AM. I opened my front door and I was like, I was very confused. Cause I th I 100% thought it was morning.
Everett Yeah, you were like, Everett, it's morning. And I was like, ha ha ha, funny joke. And then it it took a kind of a long time.
Andrew Minutes. I kept I was even looking at my phone. Like
Everett it took me a long time to realize that you weren't joking.
Andrew Not even kind of. So I'm still trying to uh get all systems back online.
Everett Well have a snort of whiskey. That'll help. That
Andrew won't hurt. Uh but yeah, so I'm just a little disoriented. Today was a it was a long and hot day. Uh it wasn't
Everett warm today. Well, it went actually, it was like mid-70s. It
Andrew wasn't. But I got I got my kids out in the yard doing yard work today.
Everett Oh, I see. Oh, I see. So kids.
Andrew They were actually helpful. They're six and eleven.
Everett Just starting to get to the place where they're helpful.
Andrew One would not anticipate either of them to be helpful. I told the 11-year-old, hey, we're doing it. We're going to work. And my six-year-old was like, I want to help. And I was like, Okay, I can please
Everett God no. I can I can find something
Andrew that you can't be like a hindrance to. And boy, they, you know, we spent like two and a half, almost three hours in the yard. And they both I, you know, they're kids, right? But they both remained generally productive and helpful throughout. But that just took it out of me. Because it wasn't cool. We went outside and it was like 70 degrees already.
Everett But we did it. We got both
Andrew the lawns taken care of. We got all the shrubs taken care of. We got all the kind of like side yard and beds taken care of. Filled the yard debris bin. It was a good day. And that just took it out of me.
Everett Yeah, we've gotten to the age, I think.
Andrew Um me me for sure
Everett I'll speak for myself, but we've gotten to the age,
Andrew I think, where it's like a a a middle a a middle length jaunt in the yard doing work is like, well, that was it. That was
Everett it for the week. Yeah, that's
Andrew like that's what I've got juice for for several days. Like there there's no more. You know, I've been I've been sort of on the weekends in particular really trying to be productive, right? I'm gonna do at least a thing this weekend, a thing around the house. And so some weekends that's bigger than others. And um, but it is uh it is
Everett remarkable how like I don't want to say I can do less than I could when I was young. Certainly,
Andrew that's true. I can do less. It it's
Everett just more like I think I can continue to go if I need
Andrew to, but like it's earlier where I'm like, when I stop, I'm like, whoo, I am exhausted. That that song I'm not as good as I once was really rings true. Right. I'm sure as shit as good once as I ever was. That that song is just really
Everett You know, I'm I'm I'm living that right now. With that said, you know,
Andrew I've done some long days. I've done, you know, recently
Everett eight or ten hour days of physical labor. And it's not like there's
Andrew a point where I'm like, oh I can't do it anymore.
Everett Like, I can continue to go. It's not no,
Andrew the consequences are for tomorrow. That's right.
Everett The consequences just set in earlier, you know? Whereas
Andrew as a younger man, it was like two hours,
Everett I didn't even do anything today. So anyway, I think I probably ought to incorporate some resistance training into my life, which I really don't have much of. Uh yeah,
Andrew I can be resistant. Well, Andrew,
Everett we're not here to talk about beep and we're not here to talk about yard work or old age and old bones. Rather, we're here to talk about watches. Um, I think last week I came in with sort of excitement. I said, Oh boy, boy, what what a a banger of a week. I had the opposite feeling this week. It's not that I'm not excited about the watches we're going to talk about. It's just that I thought, gosh, they're a really not very many releases that I'm all that interested in. I I do like the releases that we're gonna talk about, at least some of them, but it felt like kind of slim pickens. Uh
Andrew part of it's you know when we did our cutoff to start preparing for this episode.
Everett Well we're we're uh I'm in a full seven I had a full seven days.
Andrew But also uh this wasn't a super exciting week. Uh that's what
Everett I'm saying. Yeah, I I think like
Andrew we're kind of hitting a little bit of a summer lull. We hit that every year for I don't know, five, six weeks, brands kind of slow down, uh do a little bit of a summer break, and then they really start banging again mid to late July.
Everett No, that's fair. That's fair. Andrew, would you would you uh kick us off? Can we try? Can we try to build momentum? I think if we don't, I think if we don't start with the shitty stuff, by the end, we'll all just like keep there's a couple things that you and I both know we're both excited about. So let's start with the less exciting stuff.
Andrew Okay. Uh uh Brainwunt. Again.
Everett You nailed it. Perfect.
Andrew Again, doing something that just works so well and I don't get it. I don't understand the Braymont identity. So we have the uh HMAF Terra Nova, Supermarine, and Altitude released. Uh, the Terra Nova being a 40.51,1 1 thick, uh, 100 meters of water resistance, California dial, the supermarine 40 millimeter case, 12 thick, a um matte gray ceramic bezel insert, kind of a
Everett like a fieldy dive watch,
Andrew but it's more dive watch than anything and the altitude which is a 39 millimeter watch that's uh a really attractive uh pilot's watch i didn't mention that the uh the first what is this calling the the uh Terra Nova is this kind of Tanoe
Everett barrel square case. It's a panor. It's a panorite
Andrew case. Yeah. Yeah. I hate the dial on it, but I objectively like all of the rest of these watches. And here's where I'm confused is that this is I I feel like this is where Braymont should be living. Yet I'm surprised that this is where Braymont is existing right now. Uh they're all really affordable. They're all like 4,000-ish dollars. The the Terra Novas, 4,000 euros, uh the Super Marines 4750 euros and the altitude is 5150 euros. They're all these limited edition 300 pieces per run. Like these should be prime catalog watches for Braymont, and they're not. I like them all, and they're all LEs. What is up with Braymont?
Everett I just think Braymont is not a good watch company. That's what I think. I I don't love these, actually. I don't like any of them. I I'm kind of almost okay with the pilot, can we talk about Bra Braymont's naming conventions, right? Like a little on the nose. I okay, it's fine. Whatever. I don't like them. They these look to me like Hamilton's, perhaps, or like Timex's.
Andrew But that's because these are really classically designed military watches designed for uh his majesty's forces.
Everett Sure. That's that that is what they tell us. Um fine.
Andrew They've reported for duty.
Everett I just think this is not the brand for me. I I mean it I don't know
Andrew Braymont's the brand for Braymont.
Everett There there was a time. I can't remember. I think that it was, it's been a very long time. So forgive me if I don't have the details right. But um what uh Adrian Barker went to I think Braymont's headquarters or something, and did some interviews with some people. And at the time, Braymont really wasn't on my radar. At least not in a big way. And the comments to the video, or the just the reaction, the internet reaction to the video was like, I was really surprised. I was like, what why does everybody hate this brand so much? And um maybe not everybody, but it did seem my my i did feel like there was a surprising amount of negative feedback and at the time you know i i you know thought really i i really enjoyed the stuff adrian was making on you know the content he was making and I I enjoyed the video and I was like oh these are interesting kind of expensive watches and um since then since then I have sort of you know I'm a little I'm a little bit contrarian, Andrew. Have you ever noticed
Andrew that? I never once, no.
Everett Uh and so there was a period of time where I was like, no, Braymont's fine. Like, what does everybody know they're fine? But oh uh just the more I see Braymont's watches, the more I'm like, yep, Bremont is not Braymont stinks a little bit. It's a little stinky. And you know, the the obviously we now have a different company, right? They were b purchased and you know the original owners aren't there and then they had their I don't want to say catastrophic, but certainly not super well received rebranding. And it I don't think since the rebranding that they've done a thing that I was like, okay, Brian, here you go. You know, maybe some stuff I liked better than others. I don't like any of these. This Panorai, I don't like it. Uh the diver I'm okay with, but it's both boring and ugly.
Andrew Oh no, it's not ugly at all. Okay.
Everett Well, subjectively, uh I don't think
Andrew great like smoky black gray with a ceramic insert. Uh the the crown at the six o'clock isn't great. It's a super boring dial. The handset works for me. I I like everything about that watch. Like little little bit of an orange accent at the cardinal directions on your minute track. No, that one works for me.
Everett Okay. The stencil numerals on the pilot. The pilot could be good. I I could almost be convinced to like the pilot. And then they've got those weird stencil numerals and
Andrew that's a Tina. I never like
Everett stencil numerals, by the way. If you have if you have stencil numerals on your watch, I probably don't like them. Um nobody's asking me about these things.
Andrew Which is just nobody's ever asking any of us, either of us, about what we think. We just we just opine and wax poetically.
Everett Yeah, no, they're expensive. They're
Andrew expensive. They're expensive. They're
Everett I I mean I and the I I get I get what's the name of that? I want to say that they were a Korean brand. They were like a direct to consumer factory brand that was sort of in the mix when we were just getting started. And excuse me, I'm gonna sneeze. I could I could have muted it, but I didn't. Um whatever. They they just I mean these watches could these watches could easily be 120 factory brand watches that you get off of
Andrew Valley Express. Yes.
Everett That's the way I feel about these. And it's not to say anything about build quality. You know, obviously these have better movements than that, but yeah, I'm not into these. I just am not.
Andrew They they work for me coming out of Braymont.
Everett That that panorai, the um that's the Terra Nova, right?
Andrew Yeah. That Terra Nova.
Everett The California dial I hate. Yeah. Look.
Andrew This that doesn't make any sense for this watch. Yeah. It's it's just so weird. It's also like branded differently. It's the only one with the uh model name at the six o'clock, and then the logo, the HMF army logo or HMAF army logo is at the 9 o'clock versus everything else that has it at the 6 o'clock without the branding of the watch itself. I think that's a weird decision. It's it's the standout of them because it's also the only pure steel case. The uh the supermarines, this blasted kind of gray, is it titanium? I don't ultramat treatment. Uh so it's it is steel with a blasted case and then the
Everett Parnus. That's the brand. These could all be Parness watches. That's the
Andrew brands. I I see. Yeah. I I don't disagree. I see it.
Everett Right? Uh right? Yeah. Oh,
Everett this is the Parnas Terra Nova.
Everett Uh yeah. And then the altitude is this
Andrew saracoted kind of uh muddy green brown.
Everett Look, I'm sorry, Bramont. I I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but dang.
Andrew I don't think you can hurt Braymont's feelings. I think I think they're just they're just splashing away in the abyss and throwing it at the wall.
Everett Hey, so in 2023, I believe. 2023? Uh Sertina released a thousand meter water resistance DS super. And it was like, whoa, this is pretty cool. It was a big it was a chonk of a watch,
Andrew as one would expect for a thousand meters of water resistance.
Everett It was a chunk of a watch. But it was gotta be a spectacle. I think we were like, this is cool, man. This is cool. I like this. It's a big fucking professional steel dive watch, and I like it. Um if you're into this kind of thing, this is cool. Um well Well, well, Sertina just was like, you know what? A thousand's not quite enough for our customers. And so we're gonna double it and release our DS Super P 2000, which is as you might imagine, a 2000 meter dive watch and I think I think that this is I think that this is the the shocking thing about the watch. I think the shocking thing about this watch is that it's not absurd.
Andrew Yes. It's not
Everett absurd. This is a 2,000 meter dive watch and maybe maybe you don't want it. It's it's it
Andrew should be absurd and it's not it's
Everett a big bitch it it's 43 by what 16
Andrew it has to be yeah yeah
Everett 43 and 16 uh so it's a big fucker but 2000 meters of water resistance and it's got their pH technology. I think the pH stamp means pression hydrostatic, which is hydrostatic pressure, which means as the case compresses, it it sort of works together to increase, you know, it's not like a pure sort of brute strength. It's got technology. Um you know, Certina is r really a cool brand in in that they they've been doing cool watch technology for a long time. And they're sort of a player. They're not yelling at anybody. They're not screaming in your face. You're never going to see a Sertina Billboard. Well, at least not here, you're not.
Andrew I don't know where you would but
Everett they're doing cool shit and and i i i don't mean to say like the
Everett nicest thing i can say is it's not absurd no
Everett this is a good watch this is a cool watch and the fact that it's an interesting, cool, attractive watch with 2,000 meters of water
Everett resistance, you know, that you you don't have to be scared. It's not 16 big, but
Everett it's not, I mean, shit. But
Andrew it's not big for what you're getting, right? Sango's
Everett got some pressage watches that are like more than that.
Andrew Every grand Seiko is that this
Everett thing's cool. Uh this cool
Andrew but it's cool and and the thickness is is backed up with a reason, right?' Its not like Grand Seiko that it's like why why is it 13 nine for a three-hand watch?
Everett That with with the hundred meters of water resistance.
Andrew That doesn't make sense. This does. 2,000 meters of water resistance is uh that's a flex.
Everett You said you said it's got a reason
Andrew I I'm I I may be I'm I
Everett may be struggling
Andrew to find a reason there. I mean two thousand meters of water resistance unless
Everett you can accept that that in and of itself is a
Andrew reason. It's a it's a 2,000 meter watch. Okay. Like I'm I'm not going to That is in and of itself
Everett the reason. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's
Andrew not a watch that like if if that could come in at sub ten like that's a that's a um a miracle of science and of r and d 16 millimeters for a 2000 meter watch like okay yeah no i accept and i'm good with it. I've if it's a 2000 meter watch, I kind of want it to be a big, chunky tool. I see. And not this dainty, delicate, felt sport watch. No, this is gonna be a big ol' chunk of a tool.
Everett Yeah. And I'm good with that. That's right. Yeah,
Everett me to me too. I I I actually I
Everett I was shocked when I pulled this thing up and I was like,
Everett yeah, Sertina, okay. Okay.
Everett And this okay, so let's talk a a little specs. So uh uh get the obvious out of the way, two thousand meters of water resistance, uh grade
Everett two titanium case, which is a really great
Everett decision. I think that the PH 1000 was a steel case.
Andrew I think so too. Um
Everett we've got uh bracelet
Everett and/or strap. I think it comes with both. Uh we've got a helium release valve because yes, of course.
Andrew 2,000 meters of water resistance. You're obviously going to use it to saturation dive.
Everett We've got four dial colors or four colorways. Um okay, so wait,
Everett isn't that a really interesting nose? I'm talking about the whiskey.
Everett I I swirled that and I was like, whoa.
Everett Whoa. Okay. Um Um it is a uh grade two titanium. I
Everett said that. We've got screwdown crown and case back, obviously, helium escape valve, great loom, four dial colors. There is a white with a blue bezel. I'm
Everett kind of meh meh about that.
Everett We do have a Powermatic 80, which is 2824-280 hours, NivCron Balance Spring, fantastic. We have the uh the Turtle
Everett Conservancy, C Turtle
Everett Conservancy Partnership, which is limited, 1959, 1,959 pieces.
Everett Uh and then we've got the
Andrew I like that one best. We you do. Yeah, I like the C Turtle best.
Everett There's a black dial with orange and sort
Everett of off-white loom
Everett that I am blessing
Everett that I'm high on. I like the black dial here.
Everett And no surprise Everett likes the black dial. So yellow dial, white dial, yellow with black, white
Everett with blue, teal, turtle,
Everett conservancy, and then black.
Andrew Compose yourself. Not the strangest thing
Everett in the world for me to like the black best, right?
Andrew Nope. What is happening?
Everett That's five. Yeah. Wow.
Andrew Um we're recording. And
Everett it's and it's It's
Everett $1,400. It's
Everett out. Go. Yeah, and and
Andrew and there it is. That's the that's the win right there. This is a huge, well spec'd big ol' bitch of a dive watch sub two thousand bucks. There's a ton of RD and technology packed into this thing. Uh it's a good looking watch. Uh Sertina does good work on their watches. Like there's exactly nothing left to want when you when you have a Sertina in the metal. Uh this is a bangin' release.
Everett Yeah, no, I'm into it. I I I was
Everett actually shocked by I I
Everett I know it's weird to say. I was shocked by the fact that it's not ridiculous.
Andrew It should be. This feels like, oh, this is gonna be 3,500 bucks.
Everett When you wear that, I mean, I would wear this watch, I think. In
Andrew titanium, yes, absolutely. And
Everett not like, and not like, oh, I'd wear it on the weekend with a ridiculous outfit. Like, I would just wear this thing to the fucking baseball game or whatever.
Andrew Yeah. You know, like the I what
Everett is the aurus, the super like some of these watches you see that isn't that that are like 600 meters of water resistance are behemoths. They
Andrew they''rere this big behemoths. Bigger. Yeah, yeah, bigger.
Everett This is so cool, boy. Because a 43mm
Andrew case, so it's gonna and in titanium, it's gonna feel very different than if it's in steel.
Everett And they did a I think they did a really good job with the shape too. I mean, the way the bezel is I don't know if it's Dodecagon or it's some sort of multi-sided shape, but they added enough angle to it and they curved the angles. It just there's no absurdity to it. It's just like, oh, this is a really good watch.
Andrew Just and it just happens
Everett to be as close to waterproof
Andrew as as the human can get.
Everett That's right. That's right. Yeah. You're like challenger deep levels before the
Andrew Yeah, this gets this gets wetter than you do.
Everett Yeah. Yeah,
Andrew I yeah. I mean really, really
Everett very interesting watch. And um
Everett let's talk about it for a second though. You don't,
Everett you know, two thousand meters of water resistance on your wrist is not a meaningful number, right? I I mean
Andrew no. You just don't, you know, the reality
Everett is if you put your you know, take your Seiko and put some silicone grease on the gasket, screw this, screw the crown down, You're gonna be fine. I mean that's that's why we will die before that watch.
Andrew That's why water resistance is worth 11 points.
Everett Yeah, that's right. Right. Anything
Everett over a hundred. Once you get to 110,
Andrew you've surpassed the need. Can we
Everett do a check-in on the whiskey? Have you tasted it? I
Andrew haven't. I just wanted to get the nose one more time. Okay. It smelled like it.
Everett Okay. Fair enough. You are you it's
Andrew hot on the nose. You do air.
Everett So I'll tell you, it is 112 proof, which is a big number. It's not the biggest,
Everett but it's it's a big number, fifty-six percent, hundred and twelve proof. Um
Everett we're just gonna do a brief check-in on the whiskey. He's thinking.
Andrew Hmm. Hmm.
Everett Hmm. All good thought. He's smiling.
Everett He's smiling. All all good
Andrew thoughts. Crazy,
Everett right? Yeah. This is a five year old whiskey.
Andrew That's surprising to me.
Everett Alright. What's next? Okay
Andrew Okay, that's good. That's very good. Um
Everett Old Christopher Ward and Seconde
Andrew Seconde have brought forth another collaboration with the C60 Pool Diver. And this is
Everett This is one of the watches that was on the list for last week that we
Andrew didn't get to. And I kept it because it's still fun.
Everett I like it. And I still like
Andrew it. So uh we're looking at a sub-1500 C60 collaboration with Seconde Seconde. Uh, here's the deal. It is a C60 diver with fun new colorways. Um they're difficult to describe um just simply because they're a little weird. So there's a white with orange, a light blue, yellow scales, oh hang on. White with orange, light blue, and yellow scales for pool side activities, applied luminous indices, and martini glass shaped date frame. Uh
Everett and then you've got the same thing.
Everett Well. That's the only colorway,
Andrew right? Yeah, I thought there was another one.
Everett No, no. So this watch is
Andrew No, there's a black one. Yeah. Oh, that's the 2024 second sequence. That's right. This
Everett is a sequel to I think this is
Everett a at least a spiritual successor to this Sikonde Seconde desk diver released in 2024. Yes.
Andrew Which was black. So there's the black desk diver and now there is the white pool side. So now we've got business by day, party at night. The watch itself is exactly what you expect. It's a C60. But here's the so the dial has in like an interior ring around the minute minute track that from the 12 o'clock reads in light blue read until two and then sunbathe n,ice tan, skin damage ratio, relax, flex, contemplate, or reconsider life choices. Uh with a martini shaped date window at uh five o'clock or excuse me at seven o'clock that says max units per day which is fun because later in the in the month like theoretically. Like things can get a little weird. A yellow date wheel on that uh date window. Um the bezel carries with it the same uh themes as the uh what what shall we call that um interior ring it's kind of like the uh the um shoot what's that watch that we talked about last week? What they c what was it called? The measure. It's got all kinds of measuring rings on the inside with a book, uh some steps, an umbrella, a camera, and the sun. Uh it's just it's a really I think well executed, charming, fun watch uh that you wouldn't look at and immediately be like, oh, that's a weird summer watch. It's just kind of
Everett sweet. And I
Andrew like it. That's why it remained for this week.
Everett I think that it so these watches, both of these watches, the desk diver and the what are the what are we calling this? The pool diver seem to elicit
Everett like odd emotions
Everett in people uh like some people are really kind of frustrated with this watch that i've seen and i'm like what
Andrew what's to be frustrated about like look,
Everett it this is for me personally, um maybe not uh maybe not a watch that I'm pumped about. Like I I'm probably not gonna run out and buy this. This isn't no, I'm not buying this
Andrew watch. But like I'd
Everett love to see it. I'd love to meet the people
Andrew who have it and see it in person. It's
Everett so it's so like uh whi
Everett whimsical uh you know
Everett there is uh there is sort of like I do kind of wonder like a little bit about some of the
Everett decisions or whatever, but whatever.
Everett This the point was not to make
Everett a watch that was gonna be serious at all. This
Everett was someone's vision, Christopher Ward
Everett and Seconde Seconde were like, that's it,
Everett let's do it. Works for us. This
Andrew is fun. It's gonna make people happy. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what it is. It's a watch that just makes you happy.
Everett Yeah. Whimsical and
Andrew charming is are are the adjectives for this watch.
Everett Yeah, I think that's right. Comes
Everett on a couple strap options or a beter.
Andrew Uh it come the strap options are white, orange, or that really good Christopher Ward turquoise blue. Yeah, this is I like it on the orange. Feels more summery. Also, the idea of a white strap kind of icks me out.
Everett Yeah, that's right. I'm
Everett with you. What
Everett you got? Tissot? Ooh,
Andrew interesting. Okay.
Everett Um. Four new colors
Everett and a new case for the two
Everett thousand. The C Star 2000 Professional. So um
Everett I know that we've got you guys
Everett uh all excited for 2000 meter watches. I've gotta tell you, this is not a 2,000
Everett meter watch. It is, however,
Andrew named 2000. Named 2000,
Everett and it does provide 600 meters of water resistance, which again which again I believe
Andrew That's 2000 feet might
Everett kill you. Might kill you,
Everett right? Yeah,
Andrew without without being properly equipped. Yeah. Yeah. I
Everett I I mean can you dive to six hundred meters? I don't I don't know.
Everett Um I don't think you can. I don't think in
Andrew the in the buff. I think I think it requires some sort of uh like one of those
Everett metal like like suits.
Everett Uh I think maybe a submarine.
Everett I don't know. Um I don't know how
Andrew deep like saturation divers are working at.
Everett Oh sure, but they're in a building. Saturation diving is in like
Andrew an environment, right? Yeah, but
Everett I don't I don't know how deep they are.
Andrew No, I don't know either. Um anywho.
Everett Uh this is a uh this is a nice refresh. I would say this is a welcome refresh.
Everett So um the C-Star professional,
Everett I think, is sort of an unsung hero in the dive watch world. There's something about Tissot,
Everett especially in 2026,
Everett that is a little bit
Everett sort of anti-enthusiast, I
Everett think. They were just one of those brands that doesn't it's not the first one you think of, right?
Andrew Not anymore. Five years ago, yeah.
Everett Well, and and really e even
Everett five years ago, I think that you know,
Everett there's uh they've got so they've got some heads. I think when
Andrew the PRX comes out and they it just takes the world by storm, Tissot lands itself in a really unique place in the enthusiast market.
Everett Yes. And and they really played that
Andrew hand and and then they abandoned it.
Everett Well I don't know that they've abandoned it I
Andrew think they just no no no they they that hand that that uh chosen one of big brands that really scratch the affordable and enthusiast market's itches, they they kind of lost touch with that. All that
Everett to say, I think the TISO PRX
Andrew does a really great job at producing a really capable professional diver at a thousand dollars. And and now I think previously my criticism
Everett for the Sea Star 2000
Andrew would be that the dimensions weren't great
Everett for me at least. Um w which is to say I want
Andrew to say the old dimensions were 46 millimeters 46 millimeter diameter and
Everett 15 and change shoot.
Andrew It's not much better now. Um oh yeah
Everett so 46 millimeters
Andrew and 16.25 thick. We're now down to 44 and 15.2. I think that that is a remarkable
Everett difference. We've we're we've
Andrew dropped a full millimeter of thickness and two millimeters of pro
Everett probably two very important millimeters
Andrew of yeah, the difference between 44 and 46 is not insignificant.
Everett Um so it it's still a
Andrew big watch, but all of a sudden it is not absurd
Everett to uh to use
Everett a uh a a line that I used on a different watch just maybe 20
Andrew minutes ago. This is not abs absurd. And I really like what they've
Everett done with these dials. So we okay, so come back to the dials. They've
Andrew also equipped this thing with a
Everett bracelet, a better bracelet.
Andrew Tissot, I don't think known for its exceptional
Everett bracement bracelet technology, but they've got an on-the-fly dive extension that looks like it's pretty clever. Um
Andrew They've got Tissot's quick exchange system. They've got Powermatic 80.
Everett You know, I think that this is great watch. And it comes in in several really
Andrew good dials. So the blue,
Everett very good. A little bit of an ombre.
Everett It's got an interesting dial. I'm not huge on dial textures.
Andrew It's a little wavy. But this doesn't
Everett make me mad. Uh, we've got a very nice orange. Um, and then we've got two sort of
Everett PvD models, both a sort of murdered out,
Andrew and then and then they've repl they've
Everett just repeated the blue in
Andrew with PvD, and they both play
Everett really well. Both of these PvD
Everett models play really well. Yes,
Andrew they do. Um, so oh, okay.
Everett Am I gonna jump out and grab this? No,
Everett I probably not. Shouldn't be jumping out and
Andrew grabbing things anyway. Uh, but gosh, I really, you
Everett know, I'm thinking like, okay, what is this competing
Everett with? This is competing with Christopher Ward, this is competing with some
Andrew Seiko stuff, kind of.
Everett Um, and I'm I'm thinking, gosh, this at a thousand bucks, this competes ri
Everett this plays really well in those. And
Everett and frankly, it's a slightly more
Everett serious dive watch than
Everett you're gonna get from other brands at this. I mean this is a real
Everett dive. Yeah, I mean I I think this is from
Andrew a real Swiss brand. This is cool. I think this is a watch that that starts to take a a bite out of the Doxa Curious too.
Everett Yeah. 600 meters of water resistance, ISO 6425. Great movement. This is a real professional dive tool, if you want it to be.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Um,
Everett and I liked it. I saw this and I thought I liked it. It's got an interesting
Everett case. I'm not wild about the mid-case. Oh, healing release valve. I love the bezel. The mid-case has these sort of cutouts that I think, eh, okay. That's a thing that brands seem to be doing more and more than I'm you know okay whatever maybe not my favorite thing but I I really enjoy this watch
Andrew it's because it's good it's good it's good yeah
Everett andrew what's next uh Hanhart.
Andrew The Hanhart 417 Titanium Desert Pilot Chronograph. So this is a new addition to the 417 line with a desert sand dial in titanium. Uh I've this is one of my favorite releases of last year. It's the year before. I love this watch. It comes in grade 5 titanium. There is a 39 by 46 at 13.6 thick and a 42 by 30 or 42 by 49 also 136 thick. Uh Salita AMT 5100M flyback chronograph uh 23 joules on this, a 58-hour power reserve, 100 meters of water resistance, uh black or sand rubber bracelets with a grade 5 buckle on it. Uh these are just good. The 417 is I think I think my current favorite chronograph right now.
Everett Oh really? Yeah. That's
Everett an interesting. That's an interesting
Everett turn of events. Uh, it's
Andrew just good. It does this, it does a great job capturing and incorporating this vintage element and modernizing it without losing any of the charm or allure of that era of watchmaking and of watch design. And in titanium, this is like this desert sand is a really good color for it. It contrasts really nicely with the titanium on the case. Uh two really either of these case sizes are really, really good. And I think the hardest decision would be which one to get.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because forty two and thirty nine
Andrew are kind of perfect for this this watch design for this type of chronograph.
Everett Oh, there's no question in my mind. I'm going thirty nine for sure if I'm getting this.
Everett I th I think so too, but the 42
Andrew is also just really good. You know, the
Everett only the only upside for me for the 42 is that uh
Everett proportionally I think it would wear a little bit
Everett thinner. I think that it's gonna feel like a slightly
Everett thinner watch. I think that the Even
Andrew though they're exact same thickness. That's right.
Everett I think the thirty nine's gonna feel a little bit
Everett more pr like a little bit more like it protrudes off of the Yeah, but
Andrew I think that proportion that 39 to 13 is is gonna be a a more meaningful difference than a forty-two to thirteen.
Everett But I mean forty-nine millimeter lug to lug, even on the bigger one, ye Yeahah., the the this is these are great dimensions.
Andrew These are great compact uh and I didn't talk about price. These are um hang on. There's only two hundred of each and they are three thousand Euros. Yeah. So call it thirty four hundred bucks. Yeah, I think I think the euro and the dollar are yeah are
Everett pretty close right now. But yeah, no, I mean, that's right. These are these are priced well. And I I think increasingly Han Hart has been on both of our radars. Um, they're just
Everett I don't think that there was a ever
Everett time where Hanhart wasn't good watch company, but I think r r at some point, you know, I was hanging out with Blaine Townsend and he had just bought one. And I was like, oh,
Everett interesting. Blaine has got a Blaine
Everett has a really, really well curated taste in watches. And so
Everett it it so it I I was
Everett familiar with the company, but only only sort of adjacently and to see Blaine rocking a hand heart, I was like, oh, so tell me about that. We were actually driving around San Francisco, and uh I was like, What's the deal with that watch? And uh he was he was into it, and it's sort of okay, now I need to look into this, and uh and then
Everett I think it was not long after
Everett that that they came out with the prevent her and I was like, oh shit. Hanhart
Andrew is Hanhart kinda slaps,
Everett dude. Yeah, yeah, they're they're flying a little
Andrew bit under the radar and and throwing fire down. I
Everett I can't think of really any handhart watches
Everett that I'm not pretty high on. I I mean or at least not
Everett down on. This is gr these are great. Yeah,
Andrew I don't have a single shitty thing to say about Hanhart. Yeah, I'll I'll I'll develop some shit shit talking.
Everett The titanium on these is great too. It
Everett is. Uh John Mack and Trasca. Always you know Trasca is such a weird brand because it it's just they're never like at the front of your attention. Um, but they're always there. They're always there. And when you s and every time for me, my experience with Trasca is every time I look at Trasca's watches, I'm like, God damn, why how is how is this brand still existing in this space? I mean they make they make without a doubt watches that punch above their price tag at every
Everett level. I mean their movements
Everett are the least impressive thing about Trasca's
Everett about Trasca's lineup and they
Everett use my favorite movements right so
Everett so the least impressive thing is is something that i'm totally okay
Everett with and then every other thing about them they're you know
Everett famous at this point um case hardening hardening treatments their purlage you know their clasps that have perlage uh their
Andrew their affordability against all of this they're they're affordability is almost like in spite of their quality. The m
Everett markers on the dials, the way that they construct their watches, uh just
Everett in general, the way they wear. I mean Tra Trasca was one of the first brands. You know, Lori and Trasca, I think, released 36mm sport watches within a couple months of each other. And we were both we were both taken aback pleasantly. And
Andrew I bought one. Right. And then and then you bought
Everett a Trasca and I had a Laurier for a little bit. And um one of the few watches I sold, which is something I regret, but um I I think back on that watch sometimes and I think,
Everett yeah, why did I saw that? It was just sort of a timing
Everett thing, but it wasn't that I disliked the watch. But you
Andrew know, Trasca continues to
Everett impress me with the way they really
Andrew just subtly refine their watches.
Everett Now here is a revision to here is a revision to their
Everett venturer GMT.
Everett Uh that very subtle. I like the way they've gone in most
Everett ways, and then not in another way. And so I'll talk about them in turn. So uh
Everett this is it it you'd be forgiven.
Everett I would forgive you if you said I don't see the differences because they're very subtle. So the first thing I noticed was,
Everett oh uh now the day
Everett window is round. The day window was around. I saw, oh
Everett I really like that. I
Everett think that's a really good look.
Everett Um It's got a really nice like uh
Andrew frame on the date window too. It's
Everett a di they say a diamond cut frame, and
Everett I'm not sure exactly what that means, but that is what they're telling us. Um
Everett and then you sort of get into the watch and you notice, oh, there's a couple of other differences. So the mid-case is just especially from the side profile is just shorter and more compact. I think that the lugs are slightly shorter and I think that they curve down a little sooner, but not more. So we still have a pretty the venture GMT has always been pretty flat and this remains flat, but it sort of seems like it moves away from the crystal
Everett faster instead of stretching out on your wrist. This is really coming down sort of in a Rolex Tudor style. I don't think that that's controversial to say that Trasca is taking certain design cues. But then I was
Everett like, what else is going on? This has concavities along the flanks, which are reminiscent to me of the Seiko Sarb of the Sarb O three five. Um, and these are three hundred
Everett and sixty degrees along each flank, unlike the Sarb, which just runs along the top.
Everett But I have never seen
Everett or I shouldn't say never, but I can't
Everett remember ever seeing another watch that did this. This was the thing
Everett that originally drew me to the Sarb.
Andrew Yeah, that that step, that bevel on the lug.
Everett Yeah, instead of like a ribbon chamfer, it's actually a concave channel.
Andrew Yeah, like they took a router to it.
Everett And I just love it. They've done this here. And I think, man, I am really impressed with this.
Everett We have a 12.1 millimeter
Everett watch, which includes a gigantic
Everett box sapphire. Yeah, it's like two
Andrew millimeters of sapphire.
Everett Uh GMT, 1200 Vicker treatment, um,
Everett and an inner rotating bezel just like
Everett you you're used to. The bezel's slightly different. I like
Everett it. I have seen other people say
Everett they don't like it, but I'm not sure what it is they don't like. Now here's the one thing that I don't love. And this was the thing that I very I saw it right
Everett away, but I didn't realize what I was
Everett seeing. It the proportions, the top
Everett down on this, there was just something, and I was like, This is something that's bugging me about it. They increased the lug
Everett width from 20 to 21 millimeters.
Andrew Oh. And I just
Everett cannot for the life of me imagine why they would do this. Um I don't like it. And as soon as I as soon as I realized what they had done,
Everett it I it's all I can see now. Yeah. I'm not sure why
Everett they did it. And
Andrew now I know what it is, because now that I see it, I see it. That the glass just shattered.
Everett You know, we have long been fans of twenty millimeter lug
Everett width. And there's obviously we've named
Everett we named the show 40 and 20. That's the lugwidth.
Everett Which is not to say, you
Everett know, there's anything wrong. Certain watches need
Everett different lugwids, but here in particular, I cannot find any value to the change.
Andrew Um not a 38 and a half millimeter case.
Everett It yeah, I I knew if
Andrew he'd have gone to 19, I would have been more accepting.
Everett Yeah, I'd have been like, well, that's a weird move, but yeah, it looks
Everett great. This, I do not like wide lugs on a watch. I just don't like it. Um and
Everett and so here we are. I again,
Everett no clue what was driving
Everett this besides someone's subjective opinion about the way it looked. Obviously that's what it is, but
Everett man, it it it's
Everett a hard that's a hard one for me. Now
Andrew I see it. I can't unsee it. I
Everett know. I know. I'm sorry if you're at home and I've and I've ruined this watch for you. I think it's a gorgeous watch. And if you don't mind that, then by all means,
Everett Trasca's such they make so they just make great watches their markers are
Everett always class you know they lead the class their class at under a thousand bucks there's nothing there's nothing that's gonna beat this i i mean there's watches that will compete with this
Everett but this is cream
Everett of the crop for sub thousand dollar watches right now especially gmt's
Andrew Yeah. I think Trasca is uh
Everett across the line up. They're cream of the crop at their at their respective price points.
Andrew Yeah, they are they're doing things that nobody else at that price point is doing. Uh I think in the way of a value proposition, they kind of might be the best sub-thousand dollar bang for your buck.
Everett Yeah, I mean they're there, right? With
Everett probably a handful of other companies that are really close, but um
Andrew it's a small hand. It's a it's a tight it's a tight
Everett group. Yeah, I I think I
Andrew think their their proprietary hardening method is what sets them really apart. Never mind their good design, their good finishing, their good manufacturing, right? That's that's all on par with the other big hitters at this price point, but there's no other there's nobody else at this price point that you can take your watch against a against a cheese block to demonstrate the hardness,
Everett right? Like a hardening method
Andrew and and and do it without fear.
Everett Sure. Right? Like my and
Andrew oh yeah, they're working on uh they're working
Everett on a jumping hour. Yeah,
Andrew yeah. I think we I think we might have talked about that.
Everett We we talked about it when when we we did our wind up wind up
Andrew yeah um yeah that prototype is is neat uh and their chronograph is really cool um
Everett yeah yeah this is uh when
Andrew people come to me to to talk about a watch like I I think I'm gonna buy Traska's almost always the uh one of the first three brands out of my mouth. Andrew,
Everett I've got exactly one more watch that I want
Everett to talk about. What about you? I
Andrew mean the list is long, but I could I could skip the rest of them.
Everett Well then let's talk about it. Okay, do
Everett it. The Doxa
Everett 200 T graph
Everett 2. That's what I was gonna talk about.
Andrew Doxa's doing some things. Well,
Everett you know, the 750, the
Andrew the T-graph, like they're doing some things. They're adding to the catalog in in meaningful ways. Look, there
Everett is a pawn shop that's pretty close to us, Andrew, uh the one on 11th, that has an old Doxa pocket watch in it. I I meant to take a picture and send it to you, but I didn't. But you you know, it it's a
Everett reminder that it was
Everett a reminder to me that the Doxa of twenty twenty six is much different than you know early to mid-20th century Doxa,
Andrew right? Yeah. This is an entirely
Everett different company. And really what this is, is the company of the 300 and 200T dive watches, right? That's what Doxa is. When people think of Doxa, they think of this iconic sort of C case uh Uh uh dive watch, right? This is this is what Doxa is today. And that's
Andrew I think of the army. I think that's
Everett okay. Right? Yeah,
Andrew that's where they've decided to but even the army
Everett is the same thing I know it's the same thing
Andrew I also think of synchron and
Everett and it's okay I mean I guess that's that's the
Everett bigger that's the bigger point it's okay
Everett that they're a company
Everett that specializes in in one watch
Andrew right i don't know for the most part yeah
Everett they're a one watch company that's
Everett okay at least in 2026 they're a one watch company. Well, this is
Everett still that watch and yet
Andrew it is so cool
Everett and so different. So they released
Everett a limited edition T graph,
Everett I think back in twenty nineteen?
Everett Yes, twenty nineteen. Um
Everett and and those watches were were uh sold they sold out very quickly and people were like, we want more of that. And they said, sure thing, any any day no. Uh here we are seven years
Andrew later. And 18 million skews.
Everett Now we get the new sub 200 T
Everett Graph 2, which is
Everett a permanent version of the T graph.
Everett Uh they've sized
Everett it down just a little bit. It was 43,
Everett now it's 42, it was 15 plus, it's now 14 and a half. Uh, we've got 200 meters of water resistance. I think the old one was a 300-meter watch. Um, and and besides
Everett that, what this is what this is is a
Everett two register by compacts chronograph pusher version of
Everett the 200T and
Everett if you like that if you, want that,
Everett then here it is. We've
Everett got um forty two fifty or forty two ninety, depending on on whether you get this on a strap or a bracelet. Not on
Andrew the bracelet. The bracelet is so good. It's too chunky, but and you probably will remove it, but get it.
Everett Get another bracelet. But ducks' straps are
Everett also very, very good. But get it on the bracelet. I
Andrew don't think they're four hundred or fifty dollars good though.
Everett That's the rule. Get it on the bracelet. Um we've released this in a professional orange, a silver sea rambler, a black shark hunter, and Caribbean. Which I thought, oh,
Everett they're the fourth color is Caribbean.
Everett Okay. I see you ducks. And of course, of course, Salita Salita movement, SW510, no surprise there. Very interesting dial. Beyond just the you know, beyond just the obvious bicompacts we've got um sort of sunburst finishes on all of these I believe um interesting uh surrounds on the sub-dials and it's good
Everett and they're not and they're not outrageously
Everett priced. Doxes never are, but here uh I was a little surprised to see a sub five thousand dollar figure. Um, yeah,
Everett yeah, this is really cool. I you know, I think for me right now,
Everett as it sits, there are
Everett two doxes I would buy. One
Everett of those is a Shark Hunter 750T.
Andrew That 750 works really, really good.
Everett And the other is is the 200 T graph 2 in Caribbean
Everett which surprised me because I I
Everett think the Caribbean is interesting but here the, contrast between the yellow and the blue on the dial makes me feel a little bit of a thing.
Andrew You know, uh when I got my pro, I was almost immediately regretful that I didn't get the Caribbean.
Everett You know, I was surprised that you didn't
Everett get the Caribbean. I I
Andrew me too to this day. But I am so glad I went with the pro.
Everett I would I wouldn't wear the Caribbean any
Andrew more or less. I wouldn't like it more for sure, but having the pro is the right answer.
Everett I I I appreciate that about you and I think you're not wrong. For me the Shark Hunter in a in a standard fair the Shark Hunt I've every time I see one, I'm like, God, this is just way better than the rest of them. Except
Everett for this watch. This is the first one I've ever seen where
Everett I thought, nope, the T graph is the one here.
Andrew I I think it's because of those subdials. Yeah. Uh that that blue is fantastic. I I think I will end up with another and I need to go
Everett I need to correct myself. The silver and the orange are both in a in a sunburst. I think the black and the blue are both matte matte finishes.
Andrew Yeah, they're their standard colorways. Yeah.
Everett So these are great, man. I think these are really, really good.
Andrew I couldn't agree more. Dox is doing a good job adding permanent additions to their catalog.
Everett Yeah, they're one of the companies I think that
Everett really pays a lot of attention
Everett to what people are asking
Everett for in terms of in terms of permanent
Everett watches. Um But
Everett you know, the reality is, you know, uh there are still
Everett a one-watch couple.
Andrew They still are a one-trick pony, but they that one trick is pretty meaningful.
Everett Yeah. And of course they've got the 200. I mean, this is don't you know, don't send me any DMs, okay? Like relax. But
Andrew that I and I like the 200. I know that you have your uh reservations about it, but I think the 200 is a great a great addition to the No
Everett and you you've long sort of I don't want to say you've accused me of anything, because I don't think that's totally accurate, but you've long sort of opined to me openly that if that was a different brand that I would like it better. And you might be right, Andrew. Um, but as it is, I don't like it.
Andrew No, it's totally fine to not like it from Doxa. Like it's like it
Everett if a' Ts so maybe I'm like, Oh, this is the coolest T so you could
Andrew buy it. Like like when Timex drops three thousand dollar three handers, we're like, Well, I don't like this. Like, well if it was an Oris I'd be okay with it, but it's not an Oris, it's Timex. I I
Everett I'm on record as loving the new time X's. I think those are fantastic.
Andrew But but by and large, you know, we we have these expectations of brands and when they live outside of our expectations. You're
Everett speaking for the community right now. What
Andrew do you mean? The you're you're like speaking
Everett for the watch enthusiast community. I love that. Perhaps. Keep going. Don't stop.
Andrew But when they live outside of our expectations, we are the voice of the
Everett watch enthusiastic. We we we tend
Andrew to like rebuke it. Like, ah no, I don't like this. Like, I can't pay three thousand dollars for a Timex or for a Casio. Like Well, you you could. It and it it's okay that you do because this is this is cool.
Everett Yeah. It's okay to be cool. It's okay to be outside
Andrew of the outside of the expectations of the brand.
Everett You know, it's it's it ain't easy being cheesy.
Andrew No. No, it's hard actually. Andrew,
Everett other things, what do you got? Oh, uh so
Andrew I got into a new show. Um I what's new? I yeah, I you know I watch a lot of television. Me too. Me too. I have weird days off. Me too. I'm I'm home alone a lot. Uh so the TV's on. Uh so I I really liked Yellowstone a lot. And Yellowstone, it kind of fell off for me in the last couple seasons. There's enough drama already without like really having to fabricate it. Like they could have they could have dialed back on the drama and just held the storytelling and been better.
Everett Or made it a th just three season this is a three-season show.
Andrew Yeah, that would have also been fun. This is a three-season
Everett show. Uh and then it fell off when there was the contract
Andrew dispute with Kevin Costner and they're like, I guess we gotta be done. But But Taylor Sheridan has dropped two I think
Everett Taylor Sheridan is just the like maybe like a world-class douchebag. I think that's the problem with Yellowstone.
Andrew That could that could be it. But he's also been behind some of some really great television in the last 10 years. But he refused to let the Yellowstone universe die. So he dropped two new shows in the Yellowstone universe, Marshall's. The worst. Oh my gosh. I've
Everett heard that. It is not
Andrew good. It's fun. It's entertaining, but it's like all the other uh cop shows on TV, except it's Montana and if people wear cowboy hats instead of leather jackets.
Everett You know when I, when I was in
Everett when I was in Bozeman this last year, or when I was skiing in Montana this
Andrew last year, our our
Everett driver, we get a like a shuttle from the airport or from the resort to the w from the airport to the resort and then back. We get a shuttle. And uh our driver
Andrew had been he had worked for Taylor Sheridan for like
Everett a month when they were filming Marshalls.
Everett And uh like just drove them everywhere and he
Everett shared that Taylor Sheridan was a giant asshole.
Andrew I don't doubt it at all. But the other show that dropped it's called Dutton Ranch, and the whole the whole premise of this show is it follows the other siblings who have now moved to Texas from Montana and are trying to start over. And this one is actually pretty okay so far. It's still some still some drama for the sake of drama, which you need for a television series, but it follows Beth and Rip in their seeking of their Montana dream in Texas.
Everett Obviously, the two most salvageable characters from the entire series, Beth and Rip.
Andrew Yes. And their story arc is still very good. Yeah. I like them a lot. That's great. They are the it's it's great so far. We're five episodes in and I'm I'm feeling like season one of Yellowstone interested. Like there's a little bit of drama, there's some tension, thing like naturally occurring things make sense. And I'm like, okay, this works. And I'm happy because I liked those characters in Yellowstone and getting to see their own stories play out in a spin-off is a nice surprise.
Everett You know, Rip, I I was thinking
Everett about the character, Rip's
Andrew character recently. And uh,
Everett you know, you know who that character reminds
Everett me of is Swayze's character
Andrew from Roadhouse. I was gonna say me. I was gonna say this. Just like you, Andrew.
Everett Well, I mean it's pretty close. Yeah. Pretty
Andrew close. It is the Swayze Roadhouse.
Everett It's like, you know, I am
Everett uh young and you know, maybe I've got some emotional sort of instability and some anger problems, and I haven't quite figured out all my shit, but I'm the toughest guy on the face of the earth, and I will beat the shit out of you, and I'm fiercely loyal and protective. Like in a way that's like, you know, I think for a TV watching dude, a man, it's like, oh man, that's what I I I want that. I want to be that, right? Just like everybody wanted to be Swayze, Roadhouse Swayze. Like when I watched, when I watched Yellowstone, I was like, I wish I could be just a little bit more like Rick.
Andrew I just want to be a little tougher. Just give me a whole
Everett I just need a little bit just a
Andrew shot. That's all I need. Uh you watched the Gyllenhaal one, right? Oh
Everett my great. Oh yeah. You know, yeah,
Everett it was awful. I like Jake Jillen
Everett Hall a lot, but that guy makes
Everett everything from really good, super memorable, amazing movies to just
Andrew trash. The trashiest trash. Did you watch his one man show? It was called like Lifeline or Ambulance or something like that, where he was a nine one one dispatcher.
Everett So bad. It w like it didn't it
Andrew it it had all the makings of being really good and then it just wasn't.
Everett You know what it felt like to me, Andrew? It felt like an experimental, like a, like a film student's, like, like master's project. That's what it felt.
Andrew Yeah, but so did so bad.
Everett So did that Willem Defoe where he's like
Andrew locked in the apartment. But his that was a masterpiece. Well,
Everett Willem Dafoe is a freaking genius,
Everett but no, I I I uh Jake
Everett Chill and all I really like Jake Jill and all but
Everett s he makes some movies that I'm just like, what the
Everett fuck? His his range
Everett is is great. Well
Everett and and maybe it's uh you know, maybe it's uh
Everett like I'm willing to try that. Yeah, that sounds fun. Let's try
Everett it. It which is admirable. I don't have a problem with
Everett that. He's made some fantastic movies, by the way.
Andrew Yeah. Broke back most of like just It's
Everett a great movie. Hey, look, I sorry, it's a fantastic movie. I think it's I think it was a fantastic
Everett movie. Um I think I think Jake Gyllenhaal is pr also probably about half as good an actor as his sister is. I think
Andrew Maggie Maggie but Maggie's not famous at all.
Everett Maybe one of the most underrated actors on the face of the
Everett earth. I think man,
Everett I've never seen Maggie Jill and Hall in some in anything where I wasn't like, fuck she was good in that.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. Um
Everett I've got another thing. Do me. It
Everett I already did. You did. I already
Everett did. Uh so this was a weird one. I went to I don't
Everett need to Google. I I went to my liquor store.
Everett So uh the problem with this other thing
Everett is that you can't buy it. It is a
Andrew little unobtainium. It is unobtainium.
Everett It's not unobtaining if if you live in Eugene, Oregon. Or i if you live within driving distance of Eugene, Oregon. You probably I think based
Everett on their inventory levels, you maybe have about
Everett a week left of
Everett ability to buy this.
Everett Um, New Riff has introduced in the last couple of years a barrel pick project.
Everett And what they do is they shoot
Everett samples to liquor stores. I mean, you can obviously go to Kentucky and do barrel picks that way, but if you're, you know, say in Oregon. They will shoot you. You tell them kind of what you're looking for. They'll shoot you samples.
Everett Newriff is just maybe like
Everett one of the hottest commodities
Everett right now in like youthful modern distilling and they've they've crushed it
Everett I would say in the last five or six years
Everett at a at a at scale right which is rare. It's rare. They are one of the rare companies that is operating like a small company, but at scale.
Andrew But punching at the with the big boys. If you
Everett want to get new riff bottled and bond, you
Everett probably can. In your in this
Everett place that you live. Stand in the place where you are
Everett and buy a bottle of new riff, bottle and bond. But what this is, is this is a store pick. Their store picks are any at least four years old,
Everett and you can give different profiles. This is an alligator
Everett char, a five-year alligator
Everett char barrel. Explain to
Andrew me what that is. So, alligator
Everett char is a type of char
Everett where you know so bourbon
Everett is stored in new oak barrels
Everett and the the standard is toasted, which is to say the heat them
Everett up until the wood becomes toasted, like say
Everett a marshmallow, or a piece of toast. Oh.
Andrew Yeah, okay. Or like a piece of toast,
Everett right? Where it is, you know, it it takes some of the moisture out of it, it gives it a little bit of character. A little bit alligator char is where they take
Everett flame and they
Everett actually burn the wood until it
Everett becomes charred and you know it
Everett it if you can imagine obtains the the appearance
Everett of alligator skin right
Everett so if you can imagine an alligator an alligator strap right,?' Its got sort of a grid on it. Now picture a uh a a campfire the morning after, and there's that one piece of wood that's still staying
Everett there, and it's got those alligator,
Everett that alligator grid. They actually burn it. They burn the wood. And what that does is it infuses a sort of age into the wood, a premature age. Now it doesn't replicate aging, right? That
Everett I think some people think, well, if you if you chart a little bit more, it does a little something different. Old Forester
Everett famously has, you know, uh a line
Everett of whiskey that's a charred line of whiskey, which is based
Everett on sort of the introduction of charred age whiskey, which is when they had a distillery
Everett burn uh and they
Everett salvaged a bunch of barrels from it and people were like,
Everett Oh, this is really fucking interesting. And and you know, uh ever since then, I think 1924
Everett is when that happened, and maybe I'm
Everett wrong, maybe it was 1910 is when they had
Everett their fire. Um, ever since then,
Everett people are like, oh, bourbon is good in charred
Everett casks. This is a chard cask, it's a five-year-age chart. Uh, and holy shit,
Everett Andrew, you've just had what an ounce and a half, maybe two ounces of this?
Andrew Yeah. This is
Everett phenomenal. It's 112 proof.
Everett It's a pick, right? So you can only get
Everett this at the downtown liquor store in Eugene, Oregon. Uh, with that said, I imagine the
Everett character is very similar to other New Riff
Everett chard barrels. It
Everett is, I would say, for me,
Everett it is certainly the best five-year whiskey I've ever
Everett I can't think of another five-year whiskey that I've ever tasted that I was like, holy shit. Um,
Everett and it's probably like a type top 10 bourbon for me, maybe.
Andrew Yeah, there's maturity. There's maturity in it for a for a five year old, but it's still got that fresh, like high ethanol nose. The flavors are still really bright, but because of that charring, it introduces like uh deeper older flavors that aren't maybe fully developed as you would get in like a seven to ten, but they they are lightly present.
Everett And of course, this is, you know, a very expensive bottle of whiskey.
Everett No, it's not. It was fifty bucks.
Andrew Yeah. This is a fifty dollar bottle
Everett of whiskey. It has uh I walked in today and I was kinda I I wasn't even gonna buy anything. I was just looking to see if they had anything new. And the liquor store brought it downtown is this guy named Nick, and he is
Everett an encyclopedia of whiskey and tequila
Everett and any other knowledge you want, this guy knows more about Booze than anybody I've ever met.
Andrew And he makes nineteen dollars an hour. Probably it's
Everett sad. Um, but he's really just
Andrew very kind and he, you know, if
Everett you let him, he'll talk your ear off, but not in
Everett a bad way. Um and I walked
Everett in and he said, Yeah, we don't have a oh,
Everett did you see our barrel pick and I was like what
Everett no and he was like yeah we got a new rift pick
Everett he was like you need this and so he put it in my hand and I went to the register and I
Everett got it home and I was like goddamn Mike
Andrew you're right it's really good.
Everett Holy cow. It's it
Andrew kind of it kind of reminds me of like a Beaujolais Nouveau wine that it has really bright young flavors with interesting maturity. Like like i like all young whiskies, its peaks and valleys are really high and low. And you know, you get up into that twenty-one zone, the peaks and valleys are are really subtle. This is not. This is a big hitter.
Everett It's a big hitter. Andrew, have you had the Jack Daniels
Andrew barrel single barrel charg barrels? This is the blue label. Yes. I've
Everett got a bottle at the house. Yes. It's really it nice. I really like it, but it is I mean, maybe half half as good as this,
Everett you know. It doesn't hold a candle. Yeah.
Andrew It doesn't hold a candle. This is really you
Everett know. I've got a couple bottles of new riff. Um But this is this
Everett isn't a different class of any anything
Everett I've ever had from them. This is really, really a lovely
Everett bourbon. And I'm so I'm gonna go buy another bottle tomorrow
Everett because I think I just need to because it'll be gone.
Everett Once they're gone, they're gone. Um holy shit. Yeah.
Andrew Nailed it. That's a good pick. The only problem is with that like black frosted top of the bottle.
Everett Yeah. You gotta you gotta gauge weight of the bottle to know to know how far into it you've gotten.
Andrew It exposes at about the halfway mark. And and I actually
Everett heard they do this on purpose. So they frosted,
Everett like Andrew said, the the top of the bottle is opaque.
Andrew And at some point they
Everett transition from opaque frosted
Everett to completely transparent at the bottom.
Everett And the reason they did this is because
Everett when you drink a bottle of whiskey down past the halfway point, it starts oxidizing and evaporating at a at a level that is unsustainable for time.
Everett So after you've gotten a bottle of whiskey down
Everett past the halfway point, you got to drink it or it's going to go bad. Above the halfway point, as long as you keep the cork relatively wet, you know, you don't want to
Everett store whiskey upside down like wine, but you just want to
Everett make sure that you give it a tip every once in
Everett a while. Above the halfway point, whiskey
Everett will last a very long time. But
Everett after you get past halfway, you gotta drink it. So that's why they did that, which I think is just terrific.
Andrew Yeah. I hadn't heard halfway. I'd heard like a third. Like two thirds. I got the the one third left. Like it's now or never. So half
Everett ha half is the number I've I've always heard, but may maybe there's some truth to that. I don't know.
Everett Obviously, you know, you're talking about degrees.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. So uh yeah,
Everett I thought that's well that's pretty clever. Uh they wanted their bottle to look a certain way, but they also made a practical concession to like, well, we don't want it to be, you know, we we want to be able to be able to see, otherwise they won't be able to tell.
Andrew Yeah, we we want it to be enjoyed at peak flavor.
Everett Yeah. That's right. New Riff. Uh barrel pick. If see if you can find one, especially a charred barrel. This is. He he did say they got he was like they made it hard. They
Everett sent four.
Everett And this was the one that was almost
Everett universally praised as the best. But
Everett the other three were more
Everett delicate in a really compelling way. So this is not a delicate
Andrew booth. No. Uh
Everett he said the other three were delicate, more
Everett delicate, but really, really well done. And you know,
Everett we we struggled a little bit with that. Ultimately with the one that was everybody's favorite, which was the harder
Everett hitter. But uh I to me what
Everett that says is if you can find a char barrel
Everett pick of new riff, their their
Everett barrel, you know, their their pick program.
Everett Just fucking pick it up. These are all going to be great.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. I would, I would think so.
Everett And I would tell you the details. I mean might I might as well just right. So this is distilled
Everett July 2021 in
Everett ISC Cooper's Select
Everett HT number four char barrels, housing warehouse D, uh,
Everett barrel number thirty-seven one eight four. Not to say that you will be able to replicate that,
Everett but those are the deets. Well now
Andrew that I know, I'll I'll know exactly how to recreate that in my garage.
Everett Andrew, anything else you want to add? Ah, mana mana
Everett things. Alright, well hey folks,
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