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We Hate Omega Now(?) (394)

Published on Thu, 28 May 2026 22:29:09 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 and 20 Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch industry news and releases. They begin with business news about Citizen and Seiko both reaching billion Euro sales in Europe for the first time in 2025, before diving into watch reviews.

The hosts are particularly critical of Omega's new Bond-themed Seamaster chronograph tie-in to a video game, calling it an oversized monstrosity at 44mm diameter and 17mm thick with a $9,400 price tag. Everett predicts Omega will face serious business troubles within ten years if they don't change their approach, though Andrew disagrees, believing the brand has become "too big to fail." In contrast, they praise Breitling's updated Chronomat line for being thinner, more refined, and well-executed, as well as Seiko's new Presage Silver Bullet GMT Cocktail Time at $625. They also discuss Synchron's new titanium Poseidon collaboration and Citizen's quirky ProMaster Wave Tracker yacht racing watch. The episode concludes with "other things," including Andrew's recommendation of the Netflix heist series "Kaleidoscope" and Everett's praise for Maxpedition's organizational tool pouches.

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Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20 the WatchClicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew, and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett Andrew, I am as you know, because I've just pulled your ear for the last uh what, forty-five minutes about it it.
Andrew Oh,'s actually about an hour. Uh I
Everett am I am very high because I have just come off of a of a five day what turned into a five day jury trial and we won everything. We won everything. And so I'm high on that still.
Andrew That's a that's a good victory to ride. Because you don't do very many jury trials.
Everett Yeah, no, Andrew, this is my first one, and I won it all. Well thanks guys. That's really sweet
Unknown of you. I appreciate that. I appreciate
Everett that. I can't believe you got the button right on the
Andrew first try. That's the that's the real cause for a
Everett Um yeah, so I'm super high and I feel you know you know it it it's a really interesting experience. You're working like twelve to sixteen hour days every day.
Andrew Your flashlight is on inside your bag. Oh,
Everett that is hilarious. Um you're you're you're working these really, really outrageously long hours. And um it's off. Isn't that funny?
Andrew It's a tail cap switch. I think I need
Everett to that's a little warm too. I think I need to flip it. Um, you're working these really long hours, and it's all just you know, it's all just very hard. Um and
Andrew i i and I know that's a you
Everett you laugh a little bit, but it's like just constant, right? No, I laugh
Andrew because when you said you were pulling my ear, I thought of a of a joke from my childhood about banging on foreheads and pulling on ears.
Everett Oh, what's the joke? Uh so
Andrew the the the the premise is that this alien couple comes down to Earth and they land in this family's in this couple's backyard and they're like, Hey, we're here on a science expedition. We understand that there are male and female of your species, and we too have a male and female, and we'd like to well, frankly, we'd we'd like to have sex with humans and just see how it goes. So they go do their thing, and next morning the husband wakes up and you know aliens are gone and wife and husband reconvene and he's like, Well, how was it? She's like, it was wild. It it started out really small, but he's like, hey, you can make this the perfect size. If you bang on my forehead, it gets longer and you pull on my ears, it gets wider. And the husband's like kind of got his face covered up and his ears are red and bruised and his forehead is red and bruised. And and uh the wife's like, so you didn't have as much fun as I did.
Everett All right, well done. Uh that's good. That's good. That's it. You know what? We should do that more often. Start the show with a with a joke. Andrew, how are
Andrew you? I'm good. I'm just chugging on along. Uh, you know, I have no complaints, no victories. Everything's just I don't know. Status quo right now, and that's a good place to be, I think, right?
Everett Fair enough. Yeah. I have no Yeah.
Andrew That's where we're at. Well, why don't we do
Everett a thing? Uh I I've got a I I want to do an experiment.
Andrew No. Stop touching my ears.
Everett Why don't we why don't we do an experiment? I think what I'd like to do is tonight, because I think we're gonna talk about watches. I think what I'd like to do is try uh this is different, but would you get us started?
Andrew Oh, I've never prepared when you want me to go first. Uh little watch news to start the night
Everett there's like a handful of things it could be, and
Unknown I'm excited about all of them. No,
Andrew uh Citizen and Seiko both in 2025 became billion Euro manufacturers in Europe. Uh, which I was surprised by that this is the first year that they are hitting that benchmark in in Europe. Um and I think is an interesting indicator of market trends, right with the proliferation of European watch brands uh and and also the spread of citizen and seiko watch brands outside of JDM, outside of Southeast Asia. Um but I'm also really surprised that they haven't been hitting a billion euros in Europe before this.
Everett And so I s I did see this headline, didn't read the article. Is this watch specific, Andrew? Like is this uh it's not like uh um the other arms of those businesses?
Andrew It's it's as I understand, watch specific.
Everett Got it, yeah. That's a crazy number though. I mean a billion, a billion is a crazy number.
Andrew Especially when you consider the accessibility and popularity of European European watch brands um in their domestic market.
Unknown Yeah. Um yeah. So
Andrew just a a thing. I I don't I think it's more a sign of growth than it is a sign of change.
Everett Oh perhaps. I I mean certainly inflation is a factor with this, but
Andrew inflation sminflation.
Everett Sure. That's not a thing. Well uh y y you know, obviously it's not
Andrew tariffs, right? Like if it cost a billion dollars in the United States. Like that would track.
Everett That's part of it. But but still, I mean a billion dollars in twenty twenty six is a lot of fucking money. Yeah. So that's and that's crazy. And and if you think about um you you know this industry that was I I I mean really in the you know eighties was virtually dead and then um you know, Inchala has sort of, you know, I I think hit like maybe this second or third or fourth stride. I'm not sure which it is at this point. Um, you you know, you think about what is a billion dollars doing? That's employing people, that's producing uh materials, that's uh yeah, and it's crazy when you think about like i i it's a drop in the bucket i in terms of the global economy but like that's cool like
Andrew and that's just European market, right? That doesn't that doesn't have anything to do with their Japanese markets, their Southeast Asian markets. Uh that's just their European market share.
Everett And this is why my children are learning Mandarin Chinese.
Unknown Mine too. Yeah.
Unknown Yeah. Like just just the Mandarin
Andrew English bridge, you don't even have to be that smart. If you can just be the bridge, you're gonna make some money.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Uh yeah, that is cool. That is cool. Uh Andrew, I will give you the option. Do you want to also talk about a watch or would you like
Andrew me? I'm okay with just starting with that uh revelation
Everett wow business news. Wow. Uh
Andrew thanks for joining us here at um business news nightly. Uh we'll have hot takes uh for you next Friday
Unknown Okay, I'm just joking. I'm sorry.
Andrew You're just really proud that you know where the buttons are right now.
Unknown I don't know what all of them are. What's this one?
Everett Oh that's what that is. Oh
Andrew you're trying to beat me out? Yeah. Uh
Everett okay. My kids turn on the board and play
Andrew with the the voice. That's
Everett the that's honestly the best thing you can do.
Andrew I I w what is it w is it But
Unknown okay, that's That's what you sound
Unknown like always. Um oh boy, I have to turn it off.
Andrew Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. Yeah, so they do that and they put on the headsets and talk to each other in the microphones. And they usually don't even talk, they just make noises.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah. I mean at some point we should just do a whole episode. Well I but we'd have to figure out what we what we
Unknown would do. Would we I I think if we
Everett were gonna do a whole episode it would be I think
Unknown small robot would be the way to go. I don't think I disagree. Big robot is also an option. The problem with big robot is that I I feel like I can still hear our voices almost like it's superimposed. Yeah. Listen. Monster. Monster may actually be the way. There's a just enough delay though that it
Andrew would be difficult. We have uh I think Probably abandoned entire listenership tonight.
Everett Let's talk about a watch that I hate. Oh. Every once in a while this happens, and more often than not, it's Omega. And tonight's gonna be no different. Uh I
Andrew don't I for for a brand that I love, uh I kind of hate Omega.
Everett This happens all the time, right? Well, I'm wearing I'm wearing my I'm wearing my Peter Blake uh and I'm just and I love it. I put this thing on and I'm like, this is my watch. Like more so than any other watch I have right now. This is my watch. The Peter Blake is the watch that I put on and it just It's just my watch. It just
Andrew it scratches all the itches. The story behind the acquisition is amazing. Like it's all the things you want in a.
Everett I think perhaps we I'm comfortable calling it a grail
Andrew watch. Yeah, maybe but even though I
Everett didn't realize it was my grail before I got it, right? And so then I got it and I was like and and and then number
Andrew chosen wisely. And then number two is
Everett my is my speed master, right? I've got two watches that I just would be so hard pressed apart with. And they're both Omegas. And yet, I'm with you, Andrew. I hate Omega. So uh Omega has introduced a new Bond watch. And it's not a
Andrew good watch. It's not
Everett a Dennis Villanouve Bond release because we know nothing about that movie. And I'm not even sure that that Dennis himself knows anything. Rather, this is a video game Bondwatch. There is a new uh video game which is gonna be released, I think, i in the next week or so. uh and it's a Bond game and it it's gonna explore the early days of Bond MI6. This is a watch that is an in-game or an homage to an in-game watch that shoots lasers and uh
Andrew that's the whole that's the whole point like that's counterintuitive to the Bond watch which is this totally nondescript
Everett watch that shoots lasers and
Andrew and like has a grappling hook and all this other shit, but it does uh
Everett so so this is a C this is a C master chronograph. And the C Master chronograph is an interesting watch. Don't hate. But then you find out that it is 44 millimeters in diameter. Okay. Hey, you haven't lost me yet, Omega. You haven't lost me yet. All right. 44 is a big watch, but I can uh 17 too thick.
Andrew Retail pricing. I'm gonna read directly from this uh Warner Wild article. Retail pricing is set at $9,400 US dollars, which is about $553
Unknown per millimeter of thickness.
Andrew That was my gasping laughter a moment ago. Uh because I did not I uh like this watch so I didn't even open the article. Um so thank you Zach for that uh much needed mathematical breakdown of the vertical dimension of this monstrosity.
Everett Yeah, Zach Kazan being uh Zack Kazan of Warren Wound as opposed to Zack Weiss. You know, Zach has been someone that I I've talked to a number of times over the years, just really get a kick out of that guy. I think his watch knowledge is super impressive. And he's, you know, he's been a player in this game for a really long time. And I really love reading his articles. This is a delightfully um pithy and critical review that is uh not mean, not nasty, just pithy and to the point. And I'm gonna venture to say, he doesn't say, but I don't think Zach likes this watch any more than we do. Um it does have some interesting things. It's got a bronze surround on the hours subdial, uh, and then a so sort of a stealthy black on the seconds, the the running seconds. I gotta say, I I don't hate the wave dial. I don't hate the the dial layout. I don't hate the bezel. Um you know it's got sort of black oxide pushers, which I think are pretty attractive it's a C Master 2 like this this should be an attractive watch but what a fucking what an absolute monstrosity. Please, please, please, Omega, stop. What are you doing? And they must be selling watches because but I can't help but think they are making all of the same mistakes that Tag Warrior made in the nineties, which is to say they think they found their niche and now they're marketing to a population that is not that is not going to sustain that is not gonna sustain their business. They are going to fall off a very tall cliff sooner than later. There's no way that they can say, hey, folks, keep buying these absurd watches. It is only a matter of time before people decide, before we, the public, the people, we the people, decide omega's a joke brand and they're really fucking close they are really close
Andrew i i want to agree with you but i think the omega branding has solidified itself.
Everett You think they can just continue to release the thing? I think I think they can whatever the
Andrew fuck they want. And crypto bros are gonna keep buying it because it bears the Omega branding.
Everett I disagree, but we'll see what happens. I I mean I I I I really do every time a uh Omega releases a new watch, we're like, what is this
Andrew bird? What was the last Omega release that that that you can recall that you actually liked?
Everett The Peter Blake. Uh no,
Andrew I I mean I I actually think the the
Everett most recent version of the Speedmaster Pro was a really good entry. Um but you know we had the Connie releases what just a month ago, a couple months ago, and it was like oh god what are we doing you
Andrew you know i don't and but we also then have their like 95 skew releases where it's a bunch of bizarre color combinations and baguette cut diamonds.
Everett I actually don't think that hurts the brand. I think those types of releases are
Andrew necessary for a brand of the size of
Everett Omega. What what but more importantly, when Omega releases these sort of like I I I think it you can't say flagship, oh they're all flagships, right? Because a flagship has to be there's just one, right? But when Omega's like making these big
Andrew I think the C Master Pro is the flagship and this is what they're doing with it?
Everett I yeah, I what a this is just obnoxious. Um and yet and you know, I I don't think the I don't think the Seamaster chronograph is a particularly important watch for Omega. And and and so maybe they consider this a novelty, but it just seems like every time we talk about Omega, they've shifted a little further away. Uh, just a little bit further away. You know, they had that CMaster Pro that came out last year, the green. Um anyway, I really do, I really do have to wonder how long they can keep doing this. Uh
Andrew I I think it's I think they're indestructible at this point.
Everett They are just pissing into the sky, telling everybody it's raining, and and hoping somebody somebody buys a watch in between you know we we talked uh we talked about brick watches when they came out dave portnoy's watch brand
Andrew fat Zuckerberg not Dave Portnoy and
Everett you you know, there was just so many things he did wrong. Um, you you know, I don't have any particular affection for Dave Portnoy, but clearly the guy has got some business prowess. Um and I'm sure that that was a a a huge lesson for him, right? Like, gosh, I came into this world and I wasn't prepared, and I kind of any and any un undoubtedly he ate some shit in that deal, right? Um,
Andrew he still has probably like original run watches he might have
Everett inventory yeah we I'm sure he's sitting on inventory and and and so there is there is um a a way to do watches and a way not I'm I'm getting to the point where I sort of start to feel like at some point folks are gonna start to look at Omega like this, right? Like, how do you think Omega that this watch is a good release?
Andrew Because it's counterbalanced by the good seamasters the good speed masters
Everett there are no good seamasters in 2026 there is exactly zero seamasters i would buy exactly zero and and uh i'm just one guy, of course, and people are buying C Masters, obviously. And you're right, Andrew, the brand legacy carries a lot of weight, but Omega is not making good watches today. The Speedmaster is it.
Andrew They're 1992 tag hoyer and
Everett and and and the aquatera i think that there are some i i i think that there are some aquateras but they're really the coaxial movement clearly innovative and a really but it's such a beefcake that they're struggling, I think. I I think they're struggling to to keep up. We're gonna talk about some other watches tonight, but it's like
Andrew they spent so much money to get that coax that they hitched their horse like all of their wagons to that horse and and are not like there there's n Andrew do you have
Everett let me let me just I'm gonna make a suggestion here but first I need to check your first I need to check your uh your entries do you have oh yeah you do let's talk can we talk about the Brightling chronomat
Andrew yes because I think
Everett that's a I think this is a fantastic place to transition to a brand, a historic brand that's had ups and downs that we've been hard on. We've been hard on on Brightling in the past. Uh we've we've said negative things. And yet
Andrew so I if it wasn't gonna be the Bright Lane chronograph, there was one other watch that I would talk about. That it isn't it doesn't rise the level of of this new chronomet. Uh so so the the I do think
Everett I wanna I want to finish my thought on Omega.
Andrew Finish your thought and then and then we'll and then we'll we'll
Everett move into that. I think Omega
Andrew is too big to fail. I think they've come into a place where they realize that and they can do whatever the fuck they want without risk of it it's behind it's past your notebook there you go uh they can do whatever they want with virtually no repercussions because they have the brand recognition, they have the luxury good recognition, they don't need to sell all their watches. They just need to sell some. They need to have new, exciting, you know. We're we're living in the swipe and the scroll world where brands recognize rightfully or not that people need a constant reminder of their existence or they become irrelevant. And I think Omega is is perhaps leaning too hard into that constant reminder of existence by with all of these LEs. And we see it from Tudor also. We see it frankly from Hamilton with like virtually a monthly limited edition or special edition release where their social media and marketing teams are driving a lot of their production and design ideas of like we need to be new and fresh and constant because people date online through swipes, we get all of our dopamine hits through just scrolling on fucking reels or whatever.
Everett So you believe the well is bottomless.
Andrew I I the we've created a bottomless well because we've become insatiable. We need the next new thing even if we don't like it. Uninsatiable.
Everett Insatiable w okay, carry on.
Andrew Unsatiable? Uninsatiable.
Everett Anyway. Uh yeah,
Andrew no. Insatiable. Yeah, no, you're
Everett right. I'm sorry, I'm wrong. I'm wrong and you're right. We
Andrew have an unending hunger. Even if we
Everett don't like it. I I think we're talking about
Andrew Omega right now and they win. I think
Everett that this release wins. Nope. I don't think so. I think that the tides turn. I I think like with all good things,. like L doike you remember do you remember when Krispy Kreme arrived in the Northwest, Andrew?
Andrew Yes. I remember it distinctly.
Everett I remember I remember sitting in line in Woodburn for maybe
Andrew that wasn't Woodbit. It was was it Woodburn or I thought it was Beaverton?
Everett Oh no, it was somewhere in Washington. Where was it?
Andrew My first Krispy Kreme I
Everett think it was was the Beaverton one. I think it was like Le Center, Washington. It was somewhere up in Washington. Oh no. It was further up than that. It was close. Anyway, long story short, we sat in line. We sat in a line like three months after Krispy Kreme opened. And we got through that fucking line, and I think we got it. We got a half a dozen of the chocolate glazed and a half dozen of the glazed, right? We didn't get anything else. And I remember biting into that crispy Kreme, and I was like, this is a revelation. This is a revelation. And that was at a moment when Krispy Kreme was like
Andrew just pumping stores, right? Well,
Everett yeah, you know, the reality was that Krispy Kreme is kind of a one-trick pony.
Andrew And and it's a good pony. Like, let's
Everett be clear. A Krispy Kreme does a thing and and it's really good. You know, they've got the little the machine and
Andrew oh you you stand in line, the last 30 minutes you're in line, you get to watch the production line of the donut making. And that's cool. Right?
Everett Like admittedly, that's cool, but at some point people were like, Okay, I I I did that. And you know what? Krispy Kreme ate shit. They ate shit.
Andrew They took it in the face. Yeah. And of
Everett course omega and Krispy Kreme are not exactly comparable in in all that many ways.
Andrew Because nobody pays ten thousand dollars for a Krispy Kreme.
Everett But I do think that err you know you ride that wave and you keep on writing it, but
Unknown it. But some at point, if you're not innovating,
Everett if you're not actually meeting customer expectations, if you're failing to recognize trends in the industry, and we're gonna get back to the brightling, but if you're failing to recognize industry trends and you're failing to adapt, at some point you're gonna get left behind. Omega I
Andrew think we're left behind. We aren't the industry
Everett trend. I think I don't think that's right. I I think omega's gonna fall and they're gonna fall hard. And it's already happening. We're already seeing global sales plummeting, but not just for omega. But that's what's gonna happen is there's gonna be winners and losers. The market's going to have ups and downs, and we're trending. We're gonna see luxury goods trend down, and when that happens, whether it's now or the next dip, Omega is gonna get left behind because they haven't met the expectations.
Andrew No luxury brands have.
Unknown They've all been they've all hung their
Andrew hats. What what's the new Rolex? Um the
Everett land dweller? Yeah. Have you have you ever seen one?
Andrew No. They're making a shit ton of them and
Everett they're nowhere to be found because people are buying them. Right? There's and and I don't mean to compare Omega to Rolex. It's it's easy, it's low-hanging fruit, but oh Rolex is like we're gonna release slowly and carefully and we're gonna maximize this release. Omega is not doing that.
Andrew No, they're just throwing it at the wall. They're going fast
Everett and big and sloppy, and that's going to be their downfall. I do think Omega's going to be in very big trouble in the next 10 years. Prediction, you heard it here first. Omega's going to be in very big trouble within the next 10 years.
Andrew All right. Write it
Everett down. Yeah, write it down, please. Uh Brightling, Chronomat. Andrew, go.
Andrew So uh 2020, there was a huge chronomat up up linkdate.
Unknown Uplink? Uplink. Yeah.
Andrew A big chronomat update. And
Everett they and and it's great. The chronomat's such a fucking cool
Andrew watch. I you know, the the chronomat is my number two in the in the brightling
Everett Yeah, me too. It's it's a ecosystem. It's an easy number too.
Andrew Yeah, far and away. It's it's not even it's it's you know minutes behind the the Nava timer. Um
Everett and it's hard to beat the Navertimer. Navertimers like top ten iconic watches. It's just i y you you can't beat that watch, right?
Andrew It's it yeah, I I'd I think I'd put it up against any other kind of icon in the watch world. I think you throw explorer in there. I think you throw I don't know. I think that's maybe a four. That's maybe it's four lists. Yeah, that's maybe it. Right.
Everett You know, there's a few other things that you might consider, but right? Like it's it's one with that said, the chronomat, I think at least for us, is easily up there as the second.
Andrew Yeah, that's the next tier. Uh and this has been a really good update. They've thinned it out and they've kinda trimmed it down a little bit. Like it's they they've really dedicated delicately modernize this watch in the best way because it still has all of the brightling arms dealer feel and look to it. Right? I love that.
Everett Yeah, no, that's right. Because it just does.
Andrew You look like an oligarch wearing this watch. And I'm so fine with it. Uh I love this. So um what we have now is a forty-two millimeter chronomat in the BO1, a forty mil
Everett the chronom mat chronom graph. Yep.
Andrew Yep. Uh a forty millimeter auto. A thirty six which is a
Everett little smaller than the prior version, the the time and date.
Andrew And a thirty-six millimeter auto.
Everett Yeah. With all sorts of precious metals and diamonds and dude as
Andrew it's got it's got all the arms dealer shit. How how
Everett many skews? How many skews did we get? Twenty-tkews.
Andrew Yeah, yeah. Yeah. W which uh
Everett again, I I said that earlier. I said, you know, I don't think that's a problem. I don't think that that
Andrew this is a line update, right? This isn't this isn't like a hey, here's new shit to add four pages to our catalog. It was a tear those four pages out and introduce four updated pages.
Everett Yeah. Uh and that's something that I kind
Andrew of have appreciated about Brightling. They do some novelty stuff. They do some limited editions. But they like other disciplined brands, unlike Omega, are just they're um restrained more often than
Everett not. Uh oh,
Andrew we have an NFL deal. Here's 32 watches. And that is all. You get your 32 teams, buy them or don't. It's a watch we already make. We made 16,000 dials. That's it, that's it. That's all they did. And that's a drop in the bucket. And for the drop that they introduced into the bucket had a huge ROI. Yeah. Uh I I didn't have issues with the Chrona map before, but just this update is mm. Yep. Good.
Everett Yeah, so so you talked about it a little bit, but the big updates here, I I mean, if you look at this thing, you're not gonna say, oh wow, this is a totally new chronomat. Because just that there's more the same that is different, but there's a couple of huge differences. You talked about the first one. The first one is every single one of these is is thinner. So um
Andrew we're Yeah, they cut 'em down by a m a millimeter or more in almost every single category.
Everett That's right. The the the the the chronograph is w like one point four millimeters thinner, which is like we we went from fifteen and changed to
Andrew 139. 137. 13-7.
Everett Okay. And then we're down in under 11, we're in the tens for the automatic, um, for the time and date. And and for the 36, we're under 10. Um it's like
Andrew and and look, it it's not it's not brightling-y. It's not an
Everett exaggeration uh or it's not an overstatement, I think, to say like this is a watch, like in particular, like let's look at the chronomet both of the chronograph and the time and date. These are watches that compete directly with the C Master, right? C Master Chronograph and the C Master. These compete directly. If you're in the market, if you're a not a watch guy, let's say you don't know what you're doing, and you
Unknown and you go to jewelry stores and you're like,
Everett What watch should I buy? And it's like, I won't I have I have eight grand, I have seven grand, and I want to buy a chrono. I want to buy a dive watch. These watches are gonna come up, you know, like sub like I want a Rolex. Well, okay, you can't have a Rolex.
Andrew Yeah, so you need to buy eight watches for me, and then I'll put you on a list.
Everett But here's what you can buy. Here's what you can buy. It's one these watches are competing directly with one another. And if I say, here is this giant slab of omega coaxial, or you can get this really fucking lovely 10.5 or 10.4 or whatever it is. What is it? 10 uh
Andrew 1099. 1099. Okay, so just
Everett under a that's that's actually ten. Uh
Andrew no no so thirteen seven on the chronograph, ten nine nine on the three hand time date.
Everett Ten nine nine is absurd. Okay,, h holdold on on. That's a little it's a
Andrew lie. It's it's a lie. They found one that had a manufacturing error on the caliper and they're like, gotcha.
Everett But you know, also we're at we're at 200 meters of water resistance and you know we're doing all the dive things and it's a little shinier and dressier and blingier and like that. It's
Andrew got a fucking baller roulot bracelet. This
Everett the second thing they did here, and and this is the thing that you might not notice until you look for the second and/or third time. Hopefully, the first time after you hear this, but they have shrouded the lugs. This is previously a traditional conventional lugged watch. And they've shrouded the lugs, which is such a weird.
Andrew On on only the two bigger ones, the 3600. The 36 still has trade. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a cut. Watch.
Everett Uh I don't think so. The 36 has this 36 is shrouded as well.
Andrew It's this two-tone looks unshrouded to me. Oh I'm looking at the crown.
Everett Uh so we're we're in
Andrew it. Oh I'm talking sh I'm I'm talking crown guards.
Everett Oh, Crown guards. Got it, ye Yeah.ah, no Cwnro guards on the 36th. That's such a weird move, Andrew. But and when I first read about that, I was like, oh no, what did they do? And then I was like, oh, you know what? It it you know what
Andrew it was it was the last piece to the
Everett puzzle. This is really cool.
Andrew It was the last piece to the puzzle, I think, for the chronomat,
Everett which was already good. Uh I I'm here for this.
Andrew And and it um the crown
Everett on this thing is great. Um you know the chronograph, I I wish they did something a little bit more interesting with the pushers on this watch. Uh but yeah, you know, that's that's really nitpicky.
Andrew I don't I don't dig the pusher shapes. The bez
Everett the bezels on these things are freaking great.
Andrew Perfect 1975. I I wanna
Everett say ion plated with a little bit of like texture and some some graduations on this they're
Andrew delicate graduations. This is like a not an arms dealer watch.
Everett This is a really, really interesting release, I think, from Brightling. And I applaud it. And when we compare this directly, when we compare what Brightling has done here, the move, I don't mean any of the watches. I just mean the move with what Omega is doing. One of these companies is making really serious watch moves, and one of these companies is pissing in the air and telling us it's raining. Okay.
Andrew I I agree with your assessment.
Everett I would love nothing more than for people to see this and say Bradling's the new Omega because in my mind,
Andrew whoo, in my
Everett mind, right now, I think it's not an unreasonable suggestion that Brightling is the new Omega. Look, I give Omega ten years. I give Omega ten years. And if they haven't figured their shit out, I do think that they're gonna fail. And and I think it'll be catastrophic. I think it'll be global news. Um because I I just don't think that they can keep going. I know you disagree with me on this. I know you think the well is bottomless, but that's my prediction. If Omega hasn't in like made a huge change to the way they approach their watches in 10 years, Omega is going to have a huge failure. Now, we've seen, you know, obviously Hoyer failed and then Tag Hoyer almost failed. And they've come back, you know, they've resurrected themselves meaningfully. I
Andrew mean r th yes, a meaningful resurrection, but if we look at Tag Hoyer now relative to Hoyer or even to Tag Hoyer prior, it's still not in the big leagues.
Everett Sure. They they maybe haven't re realized that that, you know, what nineteen sixties, nineteen seventies magic, but but they're a vi they're a viable company now i i struggle to think that if omega hasn't changed the way they're doing watches in 10 years that they're going to be a viable company a panorizer via
Andrew viable company right omega will remain viable. They they don't.
Everett Panorite, but Panorai doesn't have the the type of overhead that Omega
Andrew has. Perhaps not. Yeah. Omega
Everett Omega is gonna find themselves spread very thin. But neither does
Andrew Bell and Ross. I mean, uh Bell
Everett and Ross spends like 35 bucks on overhead every
Andrew year. Perhaps
Everett also. I think I I
Andrew don't think we see failure. I think we see Omega as a crypto bro brand in ten years. I don't I think that that's a
Everett that's a failure. And at some point I I
Andrew don't disagree. I I no, because that's the people who are spending 10 grand on watches. It's not us.
Everett We don't we don't have to we don't have to fight about this.
Andrew I'm gonna fight. We don't have to fight. I'm gonna fight.
Everett Let's talk about a dude. Do you want to hear something?
Andrew Oh, that was that was it. That was a the shoe.
Everett He just threw his shoe. Um hey, I want I have been over the years, I have been, I think, hard on the cocktail time. When I got into watches,
Andrew I also have when I got into watches,
Everett there were a handful of things that sort of came up for like, oh, new enthusiasts should really look at this watches. And the cocktail time always came up. And there was there have been times when I thought, yeah, I really like that. And then other times where I thought, no, it's just wrong. It's not right for me. And it's never going to be right for me. And there's big problems with it. Um, I think that Seiko has released the first cocktail time in the time I'm in watches where I'm like, this is really good. Maybe it. This is really good. So um they're calling this the Pressage Silver Bullet GMT Cocktail Time. So the Cocktail Time is, if you don't know, if you don't know, the Cocktail Time is a line of watches released by Seiko that all represent or all uh are homages to specific cocktails in Japanese cocktail culture and there's probably a little bit more detailed but but Japan has these high-end cocktail bars, and these presage cocktail times sort of all are homages to these high end cocktails. This is the silver bullet, which is an homage to a cocktail of the same name that blends gin, cumel, and lemon juice, and cumel. Camel? Served in the famous Star Bar in Tokyo's Ginza district. Uh okay, that's the stupid stuff. Now the good stuff.
Andrew Is it it's it's a thing. It's so ridiculous.
Everett Uh so what this is, is it let's let's back way, way, way up. So this is a silver dialed cocktail time, which is to say it's got these radial gradations that are meant to um that are meant to be sort of evocative of crystal like uh faceted crystal cocktail glass uh mission accomplished'.ve We got that here.
Andrew Super familiar. You know what the style looks like.
Everett We've got these very familiar markers, but instead of instead of a time and date, we've got a time date and GMT function. Obviously, we know that Seiko's uh along with Miyota has introduced an affordable GMT complication to their lineup that's famous at this point. Um is a couple things that are going on here. One This
Andrew is my most favorite executed GMT three, like four-hand watch I've ever seen
Everett so one we've got um we've got twenty four hour markers only the odds and they're located in between the twelve hours. So we've got, you know, we don't have twos and fours and eights. Rather, we have one, three, five, seven, nine, etc. Uh, and they are in this blue cursive in between the markers. And if if I say that
Andrew 12 hour markers, 24 hour indices.
Everett If I say that and you're like that, I don't like that. Uh look at it because I think you might change your mind. We've got a really, really cool and appropriate GMT hand that is in this skeleton skeletonized blued what what is this? I love it. I love
Andrew it. I I actu I I wouldn't I don't know what to call it because it it's the bottom third that's skeletonized, and then it's kind of like a spade.
Everett Traditional spade, that's right. Uh but like a skeletonized spade.
Andrew A skeletonized handle. This is a this is a backpacking spade.
Everett That's good. That's good. A backpacking spade, GMT hand. And then we've got this, like, this is just the cocktail time seconds hand, but it's rendered in gold. And you're like, well, that doesn't make sense, but actually it does.
Andrew Turns out, yeah, it it does. Turns out
Everett it does. It this is the best cocktail time that's ever been released.
Andrew End of statement. Like period. No no asterisk. No, oh, but no, this is it.
Everett Correct. Uh forty point five, twelve eight thick, which I still thick. We knew we you just know it's gonna be
Andrew thick. It's Seiko, we but it's a big Seiko
Everett GMT, and I'm like I'm like yes, I'm like yes, and and the best part is andrew the
Unknown six25 bucks MSRB.
Andrew You know, the the only note.
Everett Oh man. Wait, wait. I thought this watch, I saw this and I was like, God, this is good. Is this this is gonna be $1200 though? Nope. $625 US dollars. Please, and thank you, Mr. Seiko. Uh, I this is maybe the first Seiko release in two or three years that I saw, and I was like, this is great.
Andrew Yeah, yeah, I'm ready to buy it. You
Everett did great, Seiko. Uh I've
Andrew I have one note. Please. I know that the Seiko time or the the the the cocktail time goes on leather. I do want a bracelet option. Yeah. I would not ever wear it on the
Everett bracelet. That's the stupid note. That's not a watch. That's not a note so much for this watch as maybe just the cocktail time in general.
Andrew But this would never go on the bracelet.
Everett Yeah. Uh this comes on a very sort of unassuming, unuh remarkable black leather strap. We're not gonna talk about it because that's it. Yeah. That's it. Uh I love it. I this is such a good release. This is such a good release.
Andrew Again, the last piece of the puzzle. Yeah.
Everett I'm I'm yeah. And look, there's sometimes we see a watch and we're like stunned by it. Like this is so weird or wild or crazy or good. This isn't that. This is just, I think what makes this so good is that it's such a great release by a brand that has failed to impress me at least for some time.
Andrew So many times. I
Everett I'm like, yeah, okay, all right, I see you, Seiko. And I appreciate you. And thank you for thank you for being in my life.
Andrew And you haven't fallen off the the map. You're here. Yeah.
Everett This is this is a terrific release. It's a hopeful
Andrew release. Yeah. It won't happen again for a couple of years. And you know,
Everett 4034. So you've got, you know, we've got caller GMT, which some people get excited about that. I don't think I do. I don't think I actually have a preference. Um, but uh so i if you care about that sort of thing, that's something to note. But uh I don't note
Andrew that. It is everything I've been wanting.
Everett What's next, uh synchron.
Andrew St yeah, interesting. Still fucking around, man.
Everett Yeah. I I think this is
Andrew perhaps my favorite storyline in In watches is the synchron doxa uh
Everett the battle. I don't even know
Andrew if I call it a battle so much as just like the coexistence. So Synchron has released the Thai 300M Poseidon 1 limited edition. We've seen the Poseidon 1. It's a thinner 300T, but now it's in titanium. And in uh what's the yellow? Um it's in yellow. A really lovely matte yellow full titanium. The spec sheet on this is phenomenal.
Everett And this is the first time Ducks has done a titanium synchron. That's right.
Andrew Grade five, forty-one millimeter case, 45 lug to lug, 119 thick. Grade 5 case pack, 300 meters water resistance, uh yeah, yes, and twelve hundred ninety bucks for the pre-order and fifteen hundred bucks for the standard MSRP. I love watching Synchron fuck around with Doxa.
Everett Well and this is cool, this is cool, sort of independent of Doxa. So Poseidon is a Swedish dive equipment manufacturer. And they've got a really delightful logo. And so this is, you know, this is I don't want to say shots fired or anything like that, but definitely Rick Murray is like, yeah, that you know, uh you're gonna be able fingers
Andrew up. I think this is a terrific
Everett release. It's a really, really terrific release. I love that Poseidon logo. That you know, I love old logos. I love vintage-y logos. And this is that are
Andrew well executed. Yeah. Like that are just revived, right? You don't need to update it. That that logo stood alone and it doesn't and didn't need your help.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. And we have that
Andrew at the uh 730.
Everett Yeah. Yep. Yes.
Andrew I I love this as a limited edition. And I I I think the the 300 thinned out and in titanium would be such a phenomenal wearing watch. I I thought I was wearing my 300 T. I'm not. But that's a phenomenal wearing watch. And if you just thin it out a little bit and make it a titanium watch, gosh, it did feel like nothing.
Everett Yeah. Uh they're using high grade LJPG100s. Oh
Andrew yeah, for um the the
Everett Swan Yeah I think maybe is close.
Andrew That's fancy enough. To what they say.
Everett Uh which is a terrific movement uh really great really great dimensions this is this is good the color is good uh yeah and the prices the prices
Unknown yeah i don't want to say the price is great, but
Everett the price is decent. It's you know
Andrew what? It's better than 300 or a T.
Everett Yeah, yeah. That's right. And it's in full
Andrew titanium. So I think there's an argument to be made that uh y you might be you know cashing in on a better value if you want the yellow.
Everett Certainly. This certainly a better value. Yeah. Yeah. This is great.
Andrew You anything? Yeah. Uh
Everett well we we we you know we're getting a little bit up there in time, but I I I think I think that there are some watches that deserve our attention.
Andrew Because this shouldn't just be uh episode about how much we hate Omega.
Unknown Sure can be. Yeah, okay. Uh
Everett Citizen Pro Master Wave Tracker. This is not the type of watch that would normally catch my eye. But something about this release, I was like, you know what, citizen? You wacky fucks. Was it
Andrew the color that got you? I'm here
Everett for this. So this is a analog watch with a digital display, a rectangular, sort of awkward rectangular digital
Andrew axis and a digi. MIP
Everett display that has a tide graph at 12 o'clock. And I was
Andrew like, wa wait, what?
Everett It's got a three hundred and sixty degree bezel. Weird. Uh and and it's also got regatta timer functioning.
Andrew Cause why not? Cause why not?
Everett And I was like, you know, this is a stupid watch and I love it. I love it.
Unknown I love it. So
Everett this is and Citizen has done they've got like they had some watches, some some like teen 20 teens watches. I think the sale hawk is the one that comes to mind. And I always thought it was an underrated model. Uh, this feels similar to that. So the wave tracker has a bunch of yacht racing features, and that's all due to a brand new caliber, the U812. Uh, it's got a race mode and a type graph mode. Uh it and it is really just a dedicated yacht slash time slash seafaring watch. The race mode uh assists with like you know yachting features and i think
Andrew because yachting racing is weird you're like you could be winning against a boat that's ahead of you because of the way they track time.
Everett And and I think if you uh you know, I I don't know and you know, a lot of times these companies will come up with the watch and say this is for this and then you know, you talk to people who do that thing and they're like, uh okay, that's kind of fun, but I actually I have other tools to do this. I'm sure that's also true in this case. With that said, the functionality is fun enough that if you were into yachting, you might just pick it up because you were like, this is perfect. Uh we've got a race timer that counts down to the start of the race, which is which is always the thing in you know, we need something to count down to the start because you're sort of out, you're literally out in the ocean. Uh, or or perhaps a big lake um and then and then we've got this pre-race period until the finish line we've got a rotating bezel that works as a slide rule to show angle and direction it also can be used as a tool to determine the points of sail for yachts based on which wind direction.
Andrew Which makes the 360-degree make sense.
Everett The tide graph mode will calculate the tide level at a selected location and time, and we'll show you like hourly tide level predictions on this graph. We've got high tide and low tides, uh times, uh tide direction changes. We can also simultaneously provide information about moon phases, sunrise, suntime for 203 locations around the earth. Blah blah blah. I'll shut up. It's it's wild and weird and fun and attractive. There's this gold PVD version with green accents. There's a blue version. My favorite is the black that's got green and red accents.
Andrew Once you go black. And then there
Everett is the orange. The orange is clearly the star of the show here. It's it's a steel watch with an orange bezel that comes on an orange ProMaster strap. And I think I think this is the star of the show, right?
Andrew I I could not agree less.
Everett Oh, really? Interesting. It's
Andrew what they want to be the star of the show. It's what they're they're putting out front. The black with red accents is the star of the show.
Everett The the black is definitely the most conservative and s and my favorite but the orange has has a bit of it's
Andrew it's got the sportiness it's got the uh the ego of what you'd wear whilst yachting yacht racing while at a at a lotta
Everett and it comes on like sort of a charcoal dial.
Andrew It's as the the black. It just has a orange bezel insert. So and an orange. It
Everett will surprise no one to learn that this is not a dainty watch. 42.4 almost 14 thick. Um which is really it's the that type of watch. Um and and pricing is is uh not awful. So why can't I find the price? Why can't I find the price, Andrew?
Andrew Um please help me.
Everett I just had it. Uh okay, so we've got, yeah, these are all th those words aren't gonna work for me.
Andrew They gotta be twelve hundred bucks.
Everett ProMaster Wave Tracker Price Price. Yeah, 750 bucks to $930.
Andrew There we go. Yeah.
Everett $750 on the orange strap, $830 for the silver and the blue dials and 930 for the gold gold plated.
Andrew What currency is SGD?
Everett Uh I think it is Singapore. Yeah, Singapore dollar.
Andrew Oh, okay. Oh, I learned a really interesting thing.
Everett Tell me. Uh you know the
Andrew website Gnomnom? Yes. So it's actually gnomon for those of you who I'm glad you
Everett I'm glad you made that distinction. Uh
Andrew I was watching a show. What was it? It was some uh Oh hell. This is getting
Everett less interesting by the moment. It so
Andrew the stick in the middle of a sundial is called a gnomon.
Everett Oh, that is interesting. I didn't know that. I'm glad to have known.
Andrew I wish I could remember what show that I was watching that was talking about uh uh timekeeping in history. Uh uh it was some Netflix documentary. I've been on uh I've had weird insomnia the last couple weeks. I've watched a ton of Netflix documentaries. Um, but it was a a Netflix documentary. Oh no! It was a stuff you should know.
Everett And I said a gnomon. A
Andrew gnomom is in fact uh the uh the stick in the middle of a sundial.
Everett That's a fun d a fun detail and and it makes me like that website just a little bit more.
Andrew Mm-hmm. I've been listening to a lot of their podcasts.
Everett Stuff you should know is such a good podcast. You know
Andrew what though? They're just like us. They don't know fuck all about what they're talking about.
Everett They know shit about shit. And they
Andrew are just doing it. And you know what the
Everett best part is? Like s they're just like us in the sense that sometimes they're extremely well prepared and other times they're just interpreting intern notes and they're like, I I'm not sure what they meant by that.
Andrew But we don't even have interns. That's true.
Everett We don't have interns. We have just us. So we
Andrew we are perhaps more knowledgeable than the guys from Stuff You Should Know. They have 2,000 episodes. We are only at about 400. So maybe um in fifteen years.
Everett Andrew, there are two watches that I think we should. Actually, you know what? We're gonna have to record again really soon. So what I would like to do, maybe at this point, is to tell
Andrew me the two not to delete. Stop talking about
Everett watches. I will I will text them to you. And uh we won't mention their names. Ow. We won't mention their names. I will text them back to you. And then if you have anything you want to add and then we'll come back to them next week. And for now, we'll talk about other things. Andrew, what do you got?
Andrew I'm gonna be a cheater. And I'm gonna talk about another interesting watch thing. Not just GNOMNs.
Everett For wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. For another thing you're gonna talk about a watch
Andrew thing? Briefly before we get to the other thing.
Everett Oh uh do you know why uh
Andrew when you hit snooze on your phone it's only nine minutes?
Everett No, tell me. Uh because I assume
Andrew that you're an American and have an iPhone.
Everett I do. Like a like a real normal
Andrew human person. Uh so in the early days of alarm clocks in the nineteen fifties, because of the mechanical functionality of the gears in alarm clocks, clockmakers had to decide between nine and eleven minutes on the gear for the snooze functionality.
Everett Okay. So that was just a thing. They
Andrew uh ultimately the industry decided they just they settled on nine. So if you want to sleep
Everett for 10 more minutes, you don't want to sleep for 11,
Andrew 9's close enough. Uh so Apple, when designing their digital functionalities, decided to keep that tradition alive and allow you a nine-minute mechanical walk mechanical clock snooze functionality.
Everett You may be giving Apple more credit than is due here, and I'll tell you why I think that. I think that I've had alarm clocks over the years, since well before Apple was a meaningful uh developer of timing instruments, that also had nine minutes long after that would have been a requirement. So
Andrew I'm saying they decided to keep the tradition alive, fuck off. I was I was like grumpy the other day at why it was only a nine minute snooze because I wanted ten more minutes, not nine, and I Googled and I was like, oh, that's an interesting, antiquated kinda callback.
Everett We do this cause this is what what happened and that now we do it.
Andrew And this is the thing we do. And it it's the exact problem with well, why do we do it this way? Well, this is the way we've always done it. It doesn't mean it's the fucking right way to do it. So stop doing it the way you've always done it and update your processes. My actual other thing, Netflix has dropped some hot fire in the way of TV shows in the last few weeks. Hey,
Everett that's a little bit of aggression in your voice. I'm
Andrew angry. I want you to I
Everett want ten minutes snooze not you to take a deep breath.
Andrew I want you to take a deep breath uh So here's the thing. Uh this was not a new show, but it was new to me, and I believe new to Netflix. It's not a tile I've ever seen, but it's currently streaming on Netflix. It's called Kaleidoscope. It is starring uh Giancarlo Esposito, who everyone recognizes as Gus from Breaking Bad, Rufus Sewell, who you maybe can't place, but you definitely recognize him. I recognized him immediately from the diplomat, but he's he kind of plays like the quintessential bad guy always because he has this really charming Bond villain uh vibe to him. Paz Vega, Rosalini Bey, uh just like a bunch of people that you recognize but can't place. It is a fantastic heist miniseries.
Everett Okay. So the heist is
Andrew it it's what draws you in to the show.
Everett This is old. This is several years old. Three years old, but
Andrew I never saw a tile. I never heard anything about it. And then suddenly it's on Netflix. The heist is what draws you in. So it's eight episodes, I think. Nine episodes.
Everett Now this is on Netflix in 2022. I've not I've not heard anything about
Andrew it. Never saw it. And I don't understand why because my algorithm said like suggests that this should have been top of the line in 2022. It has fantastic character arcs. So the story is told in in like two time zones, right? You get some as it's happening and backstory. And it it is really clean transitions between them. Uh, but you like I I haven't finished it. I have two episodes left. Still not confident what happened. Every twist I have been totally unprepared for, and I have loved every second of it. It's fantastic.
Everett Terrific. It's like all of these actors
Andrew at peak performance, the writing is really good, the cinematography is good, the soundtrack is like you could just vibe to the soundtrack without watching. Uh is it songs you
Everett know or some but
Andrew if if you know it it fits perfectly. It's the song that you would have played in that moment. It's it is it's really good.
Everett Cool. Could not recommend it more.
Andrew I haven't even finished it. I don't care if it finishes poorly. I've enjoyed it so much.
Everett I love that. Eight episodes? Nine. Andrew, uh, you this is a brand that you were familiar with. And as soon as I I I oftentimes will bring my other thing because there's that I'm like, this is fun. You should touch this. I did that this week. Um I did that this week. I um and you were like, Oh, I like their stuff. So and I and I use it for
Andrew work. Like I've I've gone through several iterations and then bought them for professional purposes.
Everett I think that will be true of some of the people at home as well, because this is a well-known brand in the sort of what what do we call this? The EDC space.
Andrew It's it's I think where EDC and tactical convene. I think that Venn diagram is tighter.
Everett Sure. Um so the brand is Max Bedition. And I have seen Max Bedition show up in YouTube videos over the years or whatever. And I've just never, it's never been an itch that I needed to scratch. Uh until recently. I um I decided not all that long ago, maybe about a year ago, that I wanted to put together a toolkit that I would keep so uh uh EDC I think is a bit of a overused word in twenty twenty six and I don't love it
Andrew lost a lot of its uh uh pepper, I think.
Everett Maybe, yeah. Right. My wallet is my everyday carry. My
Andrew phone's my everyday carry. My f that's right. Phone
Everett and wallet. I don't every day carry my car keys because sometimes I don't have my car. And if I don't have my car, I don't take my car keys. It's my wallet and my phone. That's it. And there's everything else is negotiable.
Andrew I also wear underwear. So that's right. But
Everett they're different underwear. Uh sometimes I take my knife, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I have a gun in my pocket, and sometimes I don't. Sometimes I have a you know, I don't know, a multi-tool. Oftentimes I don't um but what I do like to do is I like to have things on me in certain circumstances so I have a bag that I can put a camera in and always have my camera, I always have my Fuji in my briefcase. So if I've got my briefcase, I've got my camera, I've got both a 22 and a 35 millimeter lens. Always. Always. Every day. But that's not an EDC. It's in my briefcase. And if I go to a if I don't have my briefcase, I don't have it. I've got my iPad. I've got my computer. They go in my briefcase. I've got like a little toolkit that I go in there. It's got like, you know, micro screwdriver for my my glasses, and you know, maybe I need to use that for something else. Um, so that's an quote unquote EDC, but it's not actually. I but I like to segment stuff out like that. I've I recently built uh uh an IFAC, and I generally keep that in my car, right? Um, but what I wanted to have was a toolkit that I could keep in my car, right? I I'm this is not an EDC, this is not on my body. You
Andrew could drive a truck and have a toolbox in the back.
Everett I could like you. Um, but I don't. I drive a Lexus NX200. And so instead I have I have a trunk. So I wanted to build out a toolkit that could always be in my trunk and that could have tools. And I don't mean to work on my car because I'm a lawyer.
Andrew And you have triple A. And I have triAAple
Everett A. But if if I'm a place where I have my car, which is more often than not, I'll be at this place. I want to have all the tools that I might use for something. Who knows what, right? And and that happens, right? It doesn't happen all that often.
Andrew But when it does, you really fucking need it.
Everett It's not weekly, but I have all these little tools. I thought, well, I'd like to be able to take these with me. So what I did is I started looking for at first I was using this old kind of tool bag that I had and I said this works, but it's not exactly what I wanted. I eventually got to Max Medition. What you want, Everett, is Max Medition. And uh, you know, as that's what the internet told me, right? The internet told me, eventually, you want Max Pedition. And I think, you know, Max Pedition's not made the United States. It's not like it it's kind of tactical in a way that has always rubbed me wrong. And and so I I reluctantly, I reluctantly bought, so they had a buy one, get one. Maybe they still do on the website.
Andrew They still do. This is the uh you have the uh the beefy pocket, right?
Everett I I have the beefy pocket. Yeah, you do. I have the beefy pocket. I and I've got this thing open on my lap right now, Andrew. I kinda threw this thing at you so you could it it's
Andrew I I could absorb the uh
Everett I wanted you to feel the weight this thing is densely packed packaged and I'm not going to tell you everything in here but what I will say is what I will say is I think that this is almost as complete a toolkit as you could get in a package this size. It is what? It is, I mean, I think I know the dimensions, but I think it's like eight.
Andrew It looks like eight by ten. By seven. And
Everett and you get some you get some expansion on the thickness. Um I've got two pairs of the, you know, five inch nitpacks. I've got both the pliers and the cobras. I've
Andrew nitpicks. I've got yeah, cun Nipex,.
Everett Sorry that's the way you say it. I've got like some some cool Japanese Sonoda pliers in here. I've got a Klein 11 and one. I've got a smaller Klein precision driver. You know, I've got some sockets and a socket, a quarter inch socket wrench.
Andrew Six by eight main compartment.
Everett Six by eight main compartment. There you go. Um I've got some some superloop multi-purpose grease because I just think it's the coolest stuff. Uh I've got like this is my favorite. This is my favorite little thing. I've got a like a boar hair detailing brush. You know how often this is valuable? It's so often. This is probably my most used tool. Like how like you just it's just a dusting brush is really what it is.
Andrew But but it's for that like gunky dust.
Everett I use this thing all the time. Anyway, the point is not to say this is all the things, these are all the decisions I've made about my tools. The point is to say I got this, I got this reluctantly, got this tool bag, and then I started loading it up, and I was like, this thing is
Unknown so cool. It's really
Andrew well organized. I think that's what it is. And and I I have uh I don't know a dozen or so utility pouches of that ilk. That is the ah one of the best organized uh with the elastic straps, with the pockets, with the sleeves. I think that maybe takes the cake in the way of organizational capacity.
Everett Yeah. Without show me the
Andrew back one more time. Without being an asshole. It's not
Everett an asshole. Uh so a lot of utility
Andrew pouches like this come with four rows of self-adhering Molly. So you have to deal with four loose w snaps on they're not loose, but four snaps on the back. No,
Everett so this requires malice or
Andrew some kind of thing to connect to marry it to what you want it to connect it to, which is maybe a weakness.
Everett Yeah, sure. Uh not for your purposes,
Andrew but maybe a weakness. Um But
Everett if you were using this in Molly, you could. It would not be quite as convenient as a traditional, but you could this has got the opposite end. So Yeah,
Andrew it's got the female end of of Molly Webbing.
Everett Which is for I think the right application.
Andrew I I think so too, because Malice is kind of the perfect uh union like binder there. Yeah I I I don't know. I have some pro uh issues with malice but
Everett you you've got some feelings. Well no I
Andrew I just like my my experience with malice I would prefer male attaching purpose like things Fair enough. For for how I use things.
Everett But that does add a lot, right? This thing is I I mean, I've got this thing, it's not stuck stuff to the gills. In fact, you can get the zippers closed pretty easily, but it it's's packed
Andrew i have a i have a virtually identical like i fact uh uh plus sized one that's like a an if plus uh But it has male attaching sides.
Everett And does that add some bulk?
Andrew It is thicker. Yeah. I think then what
Everett I like about this is how sleek it is. I mean, it really is just like it's like a little pouch. It's like a little pouch. And it it doesn't it's not offensive. I've got some things on the outside of this. So I've got I'm not gonna use the Molly, so I I actually have t of like a a tweezer set that I've put in there. Um you know, really what this feels like to me is like the biggest Swiss Army knife ever. It is smooth on the outside, just like a Swiss Army knife. It's got like tweezers plugged into it it's got
Andrew it does uh uh
Everett it's got a little carrying handle like the little key
Andrew ring that's army knives have i've
Everett got i've got a big mechanical pencil and a sharpie, you know, an industrial sharpie in the front, and you you almost like don't even realize they're there. You
Andrew don't have a morale patch though.
Everett I have one coming from Etsy. Okay.
Andrew Cause it does have both Molly on the back and a Velcro uh uh uh uh the loop side of Velcro on the front.
Everett I found an Etsy cellar that does like traditional um name like embroidered name tapes like like mechanics name tapes but with velcro with hook and loop backing I got one of those on the way.
Andrew Nice Everett. That's what it
Everett says. It says Everett. Why
Andrew would it say Severett? It says
Everett Everett. Oh. That's my name. That's
Andrew your name. It says your name on it. Uh I think that's a good other thing. I have some of the um I think they're called rolly polies. I've got a handful of them. They're dump pouches. I like them. They make good shit.
Everett They make good shit. Andrew, uh anything else you want to
Andrew add? God no. Hey, thanks you guys for joining
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