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Animatic, Hanhart, and Vulcain Get Weird (384)

Published on Thu, 12 Mar 2026 22:32:12 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 and 20 WatchClicker Podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch industry news and new releases. They begin by covering the legal dispute between Astor & Banks and Scout Motors over the "Terra Scout" trademark, which has delayed shipments of Andrew Perez's new watch. Everett provides legal analysis suggesting Scout Motors may have a weak case.

The hosts then review several new watch releases, including the innovative Chrono Tokyo Divers two-in-one watch with a removable dive shroud, Serica's Thai market California dial variant, and Unimatic's collaboration with The Armory and Nigel Cabourn. They spend considerable time discussing the Hanhart 417 Thai Desert Pilot in titanium, praising the brand's recent momentum. Other watches covered include the Vulcain Skin Diver Nautique with meteorite dial (which Andrew dislikes), the Bremont Felix the Cat collaboration (which both hosts find puzzling), and the Benrus Sky Chief Chronograph, a 36mm automatic chronograph they both appreciate despite its $4,000 price point. The episode concludes with "other things," where Andrew recommends a smoke tube for cold smoking meats, and Everett enthusiastically endorses the Philips Sonicare Diamond Clean Smart electric toothbrush after experiencing dramatically improved dental health.

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Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the WatchClicker Podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. And Everett, before I ask how you are, because I am interested in how you are, could you turn my headphones down just a little bit? My kids were clearly playing with this. I'm like screaming in my ears.
Everett Yeah. How does that feel? That's
Andrew much better. Thank you. I'm
Everett trying to talk at a normal volume, but like stop shrieking
Andrew inside. Uh now, Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm doing great, Andrew. I'm doing I'm doing really
Everett well. I uh it's baseball season. Baseball season started and uh we were in practices. We got first game Monday pre season, obviously. Uh but yeah, it's good that's been exciting, man. It's a little, you know, it's a change of pace, right? Uh uh, you know, out on the field you know, leaving work at four forty five so I can make five fifteen practice and then out on the field for two hours is uh different, right? It's just it changes that pace a little bit. But it's fun.
Andrew It it makes evenings really hectic. Yeah, it
Everett does. That's right. Like you just feel under
Andrew so much pressure to be like, well, we have to get dinner, like the kids have to eat, then I'm sure they have homework. Yeah. Yeah. The the way your evening condenses when evening sports activities start getting thrown into the mix is just wild.
Everett Yeah. But it's good, man. It's fun. I'm coaching again, so back on the field, and that's exciting. Uh that at first base for like an hour and a half tonight. I was like, this is cool, man. This is
Andrew the weather's perfect for it too. It's it was a good
Everett night. Yeah, Saturday, or was it Sunday? We had practice this weekend and it was like 70 degrees and sunny. And I was like, oh my gosh, this
Andrew is phenomenal. And then we had a a day of torrential downpour and I was able to sneak in a lawn mowing. Uh
Everett yeah between us. Yeah. Andrew, how are you?
Andrew Uh I'm good. You know, just chugging on along. Also busy with kids' sporting activities. And they just like want to do more and more stuff. The my kindergartner, his teacher sent home a notification that was like, hey, there's this Chinese language competition that takes place. And if any of your kids want to take want to participate, it's a K through tell K through 12, non-native speaking, non-heritage Chinese language competition. And if you know they make it through this regional, they'll go compete in San Francisco at the super regional. And if they get to progress to the finals, they go to China. My fifth grader is like, nah, I'm not interested. My kindergartner's like, yeah, I want to do that. God damn it. More stuff.
Everett More stuff. Um so we'll
Andrew see. Maybe he'll lose interest. I hope he does. Um, but just like piling on, piling on and piling on.
Everett Yeah, it's good. It's good though, right?
Andrew Is it? I think so. I want more time for me, like to do the things I want to do. Fair
Everett enough. Yeah. No, I, you know, I I I sometimes
Everett feel that way, but I really enjoy my kids getting old enough to be doing stuff that I find is cool, right? Like my boys are playing like ninety foot baseball.
Andrew Ooh, that's real ball. And it's cool.
Everett It's freaking cool. I I
Andrew did take Mark to a shooting range this last weekend.
Everett Yeah. That was awesome. It was a super fun morning.
Andrew The range is kinda weird. I don't know. I'm I'm uh I'm particular. You you all may or may not know this about me, but I I'm a little peculiar and I have my particularities. So public gun ranges are not a place that I find a lot of enjoyment.
Everett They don't give you the warm and fuzzy. They don't give
Andrew me the warm and fuzzy. I don't like having an old retired guy behind me like I don't see a chamber flag in your in your receiver there, young man. I'm like, motherfucker, like this is my chamber flag right here. Like uh But he had a really great time. We got uh the 22 rifle that I got for the for the kids dialed in. Kid was shooting good groups and he had an absolute blast and as we're driving back, he's like, you know what we need to do to to top off this this man day? Like what? Big Max.
Everett I thought he was gonna say dairy queen, but Big
Andrew Max. I feel that fuck yeah, let's go get Big Max. I got the Big Arch because I like I couldn't resist.
Everett Yeah. It's not good. Yeah, I tried it. I didn't like it.
Andrew It has like eight different sauces on it and
Everett Yeah, it it's like a mustard sauce.
Everett And I yeah, I wasn't I wasn't
Everett a huge fan of the burger. It's not bad. It's not bad, but I I mean just a
Andrew double quarter pounder of a cheese. That's that's where it's
Everett like that over that. Every day. For sure. Every
Andrew day. Uh well, in any event, we're
Everett not here to talk about burgers or kids
Everett sports or or any of those
Everett things. Rather we're here to talk about watches and we got some watches to talk about. Uh just a quick uh just a quick caveat to the listeners at home. We are
Andrew a couple days late. Uh a couple days late
Everett here and we were a couple days late last week. I was traveling to Utah
Everett and they got back and have been slammed with baseball
Everett and Andrew's been slammed with life and sick kids. And me sick.
Andrew I got I had a weird head cold and then it kind of like went downstairs and so there
Everett was a delay on last week there's a delay
Everett on this week we will be publishing tomorrow which for you is today Friday, and then next week we'll be back on our Tuesday schedule,
Everett fingers crossed. Uh in any event, still haven't missed a week.
Andrew No. Here we are. So I and and
Everett and you know, you might you might argue that
Everett you've missed a week, but we've had an episode for every single week since we got started.
Andrew You know, and at one point early on, we even had like a couple backup episodes canned.
Everett Yeah, yeah. But we we we
Andrew took this shit to Mexico for every
Everett week that has existed since November of 2018, we've had an episode. Some of them have been published a
Everett little bit out of the traditional order,
Everett but never missed a week. And sometimes they I'm gonna hold on
Everett to that. And sometimes they get forgotten for a couple days. There's a there's
Everett a a little asterisk. There's an asterisk. But for every week since November 2018, we've had an episode.
Andrew 380 some of them. Some could call us media industry experts.
Everett Yeah, I think that's right. Well, I mean, we're certainly prolific
Everett at this point. I think that's a fair word to say. 40 and 20, the prolific watches podcast.
Andrew I like that. I'm going to start using that. I need to update my resume. Prolific watch media personality and industry leading expert. Andrew,
Everett why don't you get started? Okay, I want to get us started with
Andrew some watch news. Um our dear friend Andrew Perez has found himself in a little bit of uh conundrum uh with legal
Everett legal legal murky waters
Andrew yes with the terascout so the terra scout uh which was a watch that was announced three months ago ish.
Everett Well and has been a a available
Andrew for pre-order and was about to start shipping. Um and I
Everett think informally announced like five
Andrew months ago. Well yeah, well I think like
Everett it last January even. Was it? Yeah, I mean I think that he had like on Instagram he had sort of I don't know teasers for a very long time. But he
Andrew had Terra Scouts at Windup. Um it doesn't matter when. Fact is, we were expecting to start to see delivery on these pre-ordered watches. Until that is, Scout Motors uh filed a trademark dispute, which prompted Andrew to delay all of his deliveries. Andrew being the very customer focused and customer first brand owner that he is. It was like, okay, yep, nope, we're gonna pause on this. And if you want your money back, it's yours. Um which I think is commendable because I I I don't know that every brand would do that. Um but basically it comes down to the brand Scout Motors is claiming that the use of Terra Scout is a infringement on their IP. And I'm gonna now defer to uh our in-house counsel for a a little bit a little bit more robust uh waxing poetic of of the problems at hand. Aaron Powell
Everett Yeah. Well, you know, I'm not an IP lawyer, so let's just start there. You
Andrew are in-house counsel, so you're a kind of lawyer.
Everett But I am in-house counsel. I I'm gonna say that because my fingers crossed.
Andrew And you are my That's right. Which means that this is all falling under attorney client privilege.
Everett I'm gonna get in so much trouble.
Everett Um Yeah, no, it it's it's
Everett not i i in terms of IP claims, this is not the most clear cut. I I
Everett think there's a couple of there's a couple of
Everett issues here. I I mean the the first one is um just the type of claim, right? This is uh the type of I c IP claim where you have to to show that the type of use is likely to cause confusion among consumers. And given that this is a watch and that's a vehicle, it's like, well, who's going to be confused?
Andrew Does do you think the Vero partnership with Scout lends any ass to their position because of the already preexisting brand industry crossover.
Everett I d I mean sure that there you know evidence is evidence, right? And and so does does that create uh some evidence? Yeah, certainly. Whether that's compelling or not. Uh I don't know. Well what I will say is I think that that Scout Motors has some timing problems here. You know, I know that the Terra Scout has been a thing for much longer than Scout Motors had filed either of its either of its trademark or registered IP products in this matter. So you know, there's some timing issues, there's some just sort of baseline legal issues. In terms of IP claims, this isn't a great one. Uh with that said, um, you know, it'll be it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I I have to assume that scout Motors being you know really a brand new company. I don't think they've even sold vehicles yet. Um it I I'm sure that they are
Andrew ad space. Yeah, that's right. I
Everett I'm sure that they are, you know, really trying to be diligent about securing their IP in the marketplace. But this feels to me like a reach based on my non-IP lawyer brain. Uh, but yeah, we'll see what happens. These types of things normally settle. So we'll see.
Andrew Do you think they're going after scout rifles next?
Everett Yeah, and I doubt they can snipers.
Everett Yeah, I I uh it you know w really
Andrew hard to say. It seems really frivolous, and I hope Andrew takes away from this that he has made it. He is making ripples in the automotive industry as a watch brand owner. Uh bummed to see that the Terra Scout is not going to be shipping as soon as we hoped because these are really cool. Pictures do them a lot of justice, but in person, they're they're a they're really a cool watch.
Everett You know, I reached out to Andrew. It's been a few
Andrew months now, but I reached out to Andrew pretty much right after the announcement and said, Hey, you know, I'd really like to
Everett get one of these to throw up a review.
Andrew And he said, Yeah, uh for sure.
Everett Um, I kind of need to get back to you on that.
Andrew And he he was like a little cagey.
Everett And then, you know, later he came out and said, Yeah,
Everett this is kind of what's going on. And um I
Everett don't have any insider information, but I've been,
Andrew you know, uh he's a friend,
Everett right? And so we've been talking about it. Not a lot, but a little bit over
Everett the last few weeks. And yeah,
Everett this it it's it's a really unfortunate situation.
Everett I feel really bad for him. And I
Andrew hope that it resolves quickly and seamlessly. And we get these out into the world because they are
Everett I think they're really cool. They're hot fire.
Andrew Uh and they they so well encapsulate the the Astor and Banks design language and ideology of of how Andrew makes and designs his watches.
Everett Yeah. They're just they're they fit perfectly
Andrew in his catalogue of really purpose built, really well designed watches.
Everett I was pumped about this the second I saw it
Andrew and um that hasn't changed. So
Everett do we have any more like pure watch news, Andrew? I thought we had two pieces, but I'm not seeing anything else.
Andrew I don't see it either. I think that means that maybe I um deleted it.
Everett Okay. Well, in any event, I'm gonna
Everett move on to my first watch because it's a watch that I'm really excited about. Uh and when I say a watch, I mean a watch, but it's a bit of a transformer in that regard, which is to say it it's really two in one.
Everett Corona Tokyo. Oh,
Andrew you fucker. Chrono-Tokyo released
Everett this week. The Divers is a two-in in one watch that has a dive watch that encapsulates a what they're calling a dress
Everett watch, although I think it's more of a sport
Everett watch. Uh and if you're like, say what?
Andrew It it's the right shroud. It's so cool.
Everett It is a shroud, is what it is. Um
Andrew it's a dive watch plated.
Everett Yeah. Look, this thing is really cool. I mean, it's got some like it's got a bit of a Project Alaska vibe to it, but uh
Andrew it it and kind of kind of done
Everett in a different in a different way. So w w what this is is this has got like a you
Everett know uh I would say sort of a recognizable
Everett dive watch dial with dots and rectangles and a big triangle at twelve o'clock is very much a layout we know. Uh but on top of that we've got these cathedral hands blue or perhaps blued. I actually don't know the answer to that
Everett question. Cathedral hands.
Andrew I bet they're blued just based on the way they they built watches in the past. And and
Everett depending on what mode are you're looking at this thing in? We either have a sort of square tonneau, very short lug dress watch with a beautiful little bump crown on the side.
Andrew Little nibbon of a crown, yeah. Or
Everett we have a crownless dive watch with a big fat red burgundy bezel, CoinEdge bezel, sitting on top of a really classically styled uh classically styled sport watch platform. Um and it's almost it here was my experience. When I first saw this watch, I'm looking at these two watches side by side, and I know what's happening because I've read about what was happening, and I still couldn't like you know how sometimes your brain can't figure something out you
Andrew know I'm unfamiliar with that phenomenon
Everett I'm like looking at it and I'm like what how did this that goes in? Wait. What? What? I mean, it's really a bizarre experience. If you don't know what I'm talking about, pull over or whatever and just pull up a picture of this because it is fucking crazy. Didn't
Andrew didn't Formex do uh replaceable case watching we've seen a couple like interchangeable
Everett the reefs are modular and but I you know I think the closest thing I've ever seen to this is the Alaska Project Speedmaster. Um that's different in some meaningful ways. No,
Andrew we saw one at Wind Up and I wish I could remember the brand. It was this it it had your movement, your your watch c like your watch, your actual time piece, and it came with two or three different cases that you could just drop and plug it in, and they were all different colorways.
Everett You're not thinking of the wreath? No. No, no. I I I this sounds familiar, Andrew.
Andrew I and I remember it really specifically because there was a YouTuber there who like did a short YouTube video for it and the guy thanked him by giving him a watch and I was like how many hours of content you got bro uh I didn't want it to be fair uh it would just it it would have just sat. It probably would have gone to one of my kids. But it was an interesting idea to have gosh she had tennis balls and
Everett shit on the table. What was it? I don't know. You you keep thinking. I'm gonna tell no. So w what we've got is a 35 millim ceterushion case, sort of classically uh, you know, early 20th century dress watch with
Everett bigger proportions, obviously. Um
Everett uh Hodinki says it's an officer dress watch,
Andrew o,kay fair enough, Hodeliki. Cushion case.
Everett Um, but then what you can and with
Andrew 50 meters of water resistance. So the the
Everett 35mm cushion case, 50
Andrew meters of water resistance. But then what you can
Everett do is you can take the leather strap off, drop it in this dive shroud, and all you have to do is by hand, by hand, tension the screw down bezel and protrusion sitting at twelve and six o'clock below and above the bezel ring by hand,
Andrew and you get a hundred meters of water resistance. Bamford.
Everett Okay. Okay. It wasn't wholly
Andrew different cases. It was just different case colors.
Everett Alternatively, the watch comes with a tool called, it's a supplied, it's called the duo seal tool, which if you use that to a to screw down the outer case, you get water resistance up to 300 meters. So you go from 35 millimeters and 50 meters of water resistance, drop it in a case, tighten everything down to 300 meters of water resistance, 46 millimeter dive case by 13.5 millimeters thick.
Andrew That's what's impressive here. You have a watch within a watch shroud with 300 meters of water resistance and 13 and a half.
Everett So we know it's limited. We don't know how limited. We know it's limited at least to some extent. Retail price being twenty seven hundred. It's a concept watch, right? I I don't know that I don't know that anybody knows how popular this is gonna be, who's gonna want it, but my guess is they're sold out instantly. Like you're gonna it's not gonna be easy to get one of these. There was a period of time that's over where you could express interest up until March 11th, one application per customer. Um, and then they were sending out emails now between March thirteenth and march sixteenth to say, Hey, you've got one of these. This is a wild watch.
Andrew And it's not a unidirectional bezel either. So you get the the It is
Everett unidirectal. Bidirectional
Andrew because to unlock the seals to remove your to reduce your water resistance, you have to unscrew that bezel.
Everett Yeah, but I think if you have it all the way tight. Okay, well, okay.
Andrew That's your unlocking mechanism. I see. That's how you that's how you break the seal on
Everett it. Yeah. Yeah. Uh what does it say? It says since the bezel rotates in the same direction both to track dives and to unlock the case.
Andrew No, I thought it said both directions. No, it it's
Everett just a unidirectional bezel. So it Yeah, yeah. There's some there's some oddities here. There's some oddities. I I think this is the type of thing you're gonna have to get hands on to really understand how it works.
Everett I think you maybe don't understand it, and I think that's
Andrew okay. I don't understand
Everett it. I think anybody understands it.
Andrew I think it's okay. I think it's supposed to be like a a display of solving a problem that we didn't know we needed to solve. No, I
Everett I get it. I I'm I'm I'm on I'm here for it. I think this is fucking rad.
Andrew Nine OS five movement.. Y Yepep.
Everett It's not chronometer. It's not chronometer
Andrew plus No, this is I mean
Everett this is all about this is all about the concept. So I I'm glad that it's yeah you know I'm glad that it's twenty seven hundred dollars a and affordable, although probably impossible to get.
Andrew I think it'd be so fun to just lock down that big ass shroud on your watch and then get this I mean the the duo seal relative to the 46 and a half millimeter case doesn't look that big, but that means that it's like a a whole handful of a a ratcheting tool that sits down to crank that case down to 300 meters of water resistance.
Everett And I wonder like it it's
Andrew almost like you're doing the super compressor action for it. Yeah. Your your above water compressing everything to tighten it down.
Everett Yeah, you know, I'm looking at the comments
Everett on Hodenki and I shouldn't do that, right? You just should never read the comments. But I think uh all these people are just fucking morons like it the people that are positive are positive about the wrong things the people that are negative are just stupid like I it you know what I hate these people
Andrew like this is so interesting and
Everett so cool like the people like
Andrew expensive complex and cumbersome solution to a problem that doesn't exist describes mechanical watchmaking for the past fifty years. TJ
Everett H, from an aesthetic standpoint,
Everett neither configuration really works. It's an interesting piece of gimmickry though.
Andrew Just shut up. That's amazing mouth.
Everett If this is somebody listening, turn my podcast off. Fuck you.
Andrew No, now you owe us on the b go away.
Everett And we're gonna send you a bill. God.
Andrew Uh yeah, I just uh more is more. This is fucking cool. We've talked about some absolutely ridiculous watches here. And ridiculous for all different reasons than this. This is ridiculous because it doesn't make sense. And in that, it kind of makes perfect sense. You have a two-in-one that is a real no bullshit spec dive watch that can do the thing, and then you have a really lovely, I mean just the standalone uh cushion watch is really attractive. I really like it. It's so cool. I'd I'd probably never wear the shroud on it. Yeah. It's it's really
Everett cool. Andrew, what's next? Oh, next
Andrew up for me. Golly, I wasn't ready for this. We've
Everett gone through exactly one watch, and I think there's like 10 watches to get through.
Andrew And we're at 37 minutes, so weird. Are we really? Yeah. Oh, we're twenty. It's only twenty-four. We're focused though. We've been talking watches for the majority of this. We had to opine on legal matters, discuss a revolutionary watch, and now we're gonna talk the Serica reference 6190 TDM with a tie twist on the California dial. And if that doesn't make sense immediately, uh what it's using Thai in lieu of the traditional Arabic numerals that you would see on a California dial alternating with Roman numerals. And this is fun. I like this. It's this the 6190, right? It's a watch that we know. It's a watch that we like. Um, but with Thai characters on it.
Everett Yeah, with Thai numerals at the six o'clock.
Andrew Yeah. I like it. Yeah, it's cool ties I tying Cambodian characters are like just look wild to me.
Everett Yeah yeah uh be because
Andrew they're they're obviously I don't know either of those languages, so they're they're really quite foreign. I've never had any real exposure to them outside of like
Everett sriracha bottles.
Andrew Uh they're just beautiful, right?
Everett They're kind of loopy and they're they're
Andrew really artistic character language. Like uh I I love it. I I think I like this more than the Arabic Arabic like Arab Arabic numeral Seiko.
Everett I think this is only available in the Thai domestic market. Is that right? It says that somewhere
Andrew it says it's limited to 100 pieces for the Thai domestic market, but we live in a globalized world where the internet can take you anywhere. I can
Everett show you the world in Thai.
Andrew Uh yeah, hundred of these in Thai domestic market. They're 1190 euros. Um I I I like this more than the Arabic Seiko, which I think is fun. Uh and when watches of espionage featured it, suddenly they became unobtainum and tripled in price. That guy has to have psycho stock.
Everett No, it's cool, man. But
Andrew a fun rendition of it. Yeah, yeah, that's
Everett right. Um I would like to talk about Unimatic
Everett for a second. Unimatic?
Everett You know, Unimatic is one of those watches
Everett that every time we talk about them, I'm like, this
Everett brand is not what like every time we talk
Everett about them, I kinda like go in and start looking at Unimatics and I'm
Everett like, this brand is not what I thought it was. Like I have it it
Everett it's odd, right? Because as many times as we talked about unimatic on
Everett this show, well a dozen probably at this maybe
Everett more. We talk about him once a month. Every time. No, well that's not true. Every
Everett time we go back to Unimatic,
Everett I think oh like I had this like image in my head or like this like structure, this business structure in my head of what Unimatic is. And then as soon as I like go to their website, I'm like, unimatic is not what I thought they were. And I don't mean the watches. The watches are what I thought, but like just prices. I mean, this is such a value-focused brand with really, really interesting I I I mean, they're just doing watches in a way that is they they march to the beat of their own drum. That's that's the probably classic way to say
Andrew they fit in a really weird place in the market, right? They're not Baltic, even though they're similarly priced. They're not, you know, like in the zone, right? Sure. They're not say, ooh, let's pick another kind of military-esque brand. They're not. They're not Marathon. They're they exist in that space, but they're definitely not a part of it.
Everett Yeah, they're just like I there's just like like you know I I I picture like uh I don't know like a
Everett like a 22 year old woman in cargo pants and sandals that just walks out her front door with both her middle fingers in the air pointing in different directions and just
Everett walks down the street smoking a cigarette.
Everett Like that's what unimatic is to me, right? It's like I
Andrew do not care what you think I'm
Everett kind of rad and
Andrew then this is good enough this
Everett is what I'm fucking doing today uh I that was the weirdest description of anything I've ever made in my life. And it it was
Andrew no, it's not I shot straight from the hip.
Everett Uh but you nailed it. I do feel like I nailed it a little
Andrew bit. Uh so
Everett what this is, this is a 36mm uh field watch. Sorry, let's back up.
Everett Unimatic, the armory,
Everett and Nigel Coborn. And I I'm not sure I'm pronouncing that right. This is one of those names
Andrew that I've read about 10 million times, but
Everett never never heard said out loud. So I'm gonna say Nigel Calborn, um, which is an interesting three-way collaboration, right? The armory, like
Everett sort of like classic hope
Everett culture hype beast. And then Nigel Cowboy is like one of the like just coolest people on the face of the earth, right? Like you just see him and you're like, you're doing that thing but you're you're not trying too hard like you've just he's just nails style in a way that some people could like people could wear the same shit that he does and look like an idiot. In fact, I can think of industry people right now. There's a a person that's just popped into my head who tries to do what he does and and it just fails, right? Like, maybe not fails, but it's like, yep, you're not as cool.
Andrew You're not doing it right. Yeah. Like you're
Everett close, but it is Nigel
Everett has this, like, just he just does it. It's effortless, and the way he does it is so they've come together, these three groups, Unimatic, The Armory, and Nigel Cabor, and made this watch, and it's fucking bizarre and weird and awesome. So what it is, is it's Unimatics 36 millimeter modello Senke case. But what they've done is they've released this in both a OD green and sort of a navy blue stone washed PVD finish, each of these with navy blue dials and a sort of a really atypical dial for Unimatic handsets are very unimatic, fonts are very unimatic, but this dial is really weird. You know, it's got unimatic's like outrageously chunky bezel that they do. They've got this 36mm case with I think it's an eight
Everett or nine millimeter. But it's not the same it
Andrew crown. It has a uh the the bevel on that bezel that cuts in. Yeah. Typically unitic
Everett millimeter screwdown crown. But typically unimatics'
Andrew got this big flat you know, eight flat millimeters of polished surface or you know, C P V D or Serac or like whatever, take your pick. This is is like a pie plate. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right.
Everett Uh superluminova old radium
Everett on all of the loomed characteristics. Uh very, very like functional tool watch feel on this. 300 meters of water resistance because it's unimatic. Uh, we've got a 360-degree protection system that's unique to unimatic, which meets the mill standard
Andrew 810H uh testing
Everett standards, VH31A quartz movement running on a battery with an expected life of two years. This thing is just rad and weird and awesome. 150 pieces of each, the OD green and the blue, priced at about eight, or priced at 800.
Everett Exactly. I thought it was at about 800. What's
Andrew the thickness on these? Uh it's they're thin.
Everett They're like uh eleven a change with
Andrew three hundred meters of water resistance. Well you and you'd think so with a quartz movement. Yeah. They look
Everett and I think I said PVD, but they're it it's it's stonewashed Cerakote is what it is.
Andrew I I don't super dig the stonewashed like gunmetal gray. The blue stonewash though. The OD
Everett green. Yeah, is it OD? It is, yeah,
Andrew it's an OD. Uh yeah, I guess so. I accept. Yeah. An aged OD. It looks like an old like Vietnam K-pot. That's right. That's exactly right. That's that's exactly what they're which
Everett is very much in Nigel Cowboard's field. Like he he does like vintage military aesthetic.
Andrew That's when he went to school. Yeah. Like this
Everett is it's pretty cool. Okay, but the the blue though,
Andrew I really dig. It says eight hundred.
Everett I'm looking at the website right now, nine twenty.
Everett So I don't know what changed, but uh nine hundred and twenty dollars to order these today. So I don't know where the $800
Andrew it's probably that because you're coming from a US website.
Everett Yeah, maybe. Maybe. But the price that was quoted was in a US. So yeah, these things are fucking rad. Yeah, 116 thick is what that includes the dome crystal, I believe. So
Andrew those are good. I like them. It's
Everett they're weird and different and they're
Andrew weird and different even for unimatic, right? That's right. It it everything about it fits within the unimatic w uh ecosystem.
Everett Yeah. But it's so clearly a collaboration
Andrew with some other people. And you can see all of these influences coming together to make a really a well thought out watch. It's not just a new colorway. Thank you, finally, for a collaboration that's more than a new colorway.
Everett Yeah, I mean for in terms of collaborations, these are cool and weird and neat. Never bought a unimatic. Not sure I will like it to the extent I'm going to, I don't know when that's gonna be. This isn't it, but I do really like these.
Andrew You know, I think if I'm pressed between Unimatic and Serica, though they are very different. Oh no. I think I picked Serica all the time.
Everett All day. I don't
Andrew I feel like a lot of their design things do a similar thing in your watchbox. In the way of well designed, kind of fieldy, kind of austere.
Everett Sometimes you say a thing, Andrew, and I'm just like, I don't even know how
Everett to engage with this because it's so wrong. I
Andrew want to just What's
Everett next? I'm gonna give you a wet billy. You
Andrew know what that is? No, but I'm excited about it. So it's a wet willy in your belly button. Yeah. In the belly button. Uh You could, I guess. Um shoot. Uh oh Hanhart 417 Thai Desert Pilot. We've talked about the 417.
Everett You know, when I think about Hanhart, I just think you know, like
Everett Swatch and Hanhart, basically they do the exact same things.
Andrew You think that, huh? No,
Everett I don't. No, I don't. So we're just taking turns
Andrew saying ridiculous things, I guess. Uh okay, so what's the 417? This time in titanium with a really sandy tan kind of creamy white dial uh the red little tick on your coin edged bezel. Man, this is good. And and the I think the 417 in titanium is super cool. Um bummer is they are
Everett okay so first. So the 417.
Andrew It comes in a 39 or a 42. They are
Everett saying titanium and fucking awesome. Because if you didn't
Everett you we should say that right now 1155
Andrew thick without the crystal, matte grade five titanium, 100 meters of water resistance. Um, they're only making 200 of each of these, and they are um oh hang on, pricing three thousand Euros plus nineteen percent VAT and they're only making two hundred per per size, which is a a real bummer. I would love to see this as a permanent member of the collection because the dial color so fits this vintage aviator like true aviation style field watch so well in titanium just turns it up to to 11. Uh man, I really like this. Hanhart's Hanhart is firing on all cylinders right now.
Everett A hundred, dude. It it's the weirdest thing.
Everett What right. I I remember the first the first time I really thought about Hanhart, we were in San Francisco and I was driving around town with Blaine. He had picked me up. I can't remember w you must not have been there. I must have been down there without you.
Andrew Uh I think it was Intersect that you went to in San Francisco. No, it must have been why. No,
Everett that was LA. Yeah. Anyway, I was hanging out with Blaine. I did not our good friend Insta Blaine. Because
Andrew you decided to go kind of last minute. And
Everett uh he had picked me up. We're driving around town. He was wearing a handhart and uh I was like, oh interesting. You know, and he's telling me all he's like, no, this is really it's really cool. And
Everett you know, you should look at the history and blah blah blah.
Andrew And uh I'm playing with his handhart
Everett and I'm like, yeah, man, this is fucking cool. And but at the time, I remember thinking, yeah, handhart's cool, but they're
Everett weird, right? Like they're kind of like
Everett they're they're they're not really like in the mix. They're they're like out of the mix. In a cool way, but still out of the mix. That's not so anymore.
Andrew This this last year, they they are in both feet doing cool vintage-inspired releases. In the
Everett mix. They are right in the middle of it. This is a titanium pilot field watch, field pilot chronograph with dude. This thing's fucking rad.
Andrew And they have all of the charm of a true vintage watch. That tan, like it it's not Fotina in any way, but it kind of looks like
Everett Fotina. It's okay to call it Fotina. But it's but
Andrew it's not it's not because you have these really sharp black markers on it. This is just a tan dial. It's like a like a tropical dial, I think is maybe a fair way to describe it. Um the the red mark on the twelve o'clock of your case. I mean
Everett I, think I think right
Everett now, for me, Hanhart feels the way that Oris felt
Everett eight years ago or five years ago or whatever,
Everett right? Like sort of edgy, like has a bit of ass to it, but also is kind of breaking
Everett the rules. Yeah, you know, not to say that
Everett Horus is different now. I mean they're they are a little bit different, but the Hanhart feels to me the way Oris felt like just full of promise. They might
Andrew be on a precipice right now. Well,
Everett hopefully hopefully that they just fucking skydive off that precipice and
Andrew just break the glass ceiling. I
Everett love this watch, man. Yes. And
Andrew the 417, uh, I talked about it with Will. It was my favorite release, one of my favorite releases of last year.
Everett You know, I think my favorite part of this watch is the very peculiar machining of that coin edge bezel. It is it's nothing special, right? It's just a CNC coin edge, but because of the angle it's on, you get this really like interesting set of angles.
Andrew Because it's not a true coin edge. It's not just verticals. They're they're uh like triangular grooves rather than they are slices. Exactly. And they and they're not vertical. They're kind of also on an angle.
Everett As they approach the as they
Everett approach the topmost flat of the bezel,
Andrew you get this really cool shape. Yeah, you're Andrew's
Everett doing this thing with fingers. And
Andrew he's right. It's a guy can't tell, but
Everett he's a hundred percent right. It's a guy twisting
Andrew the ends of his of his handlebar mustache. That's the motion. That's what they do.
Everett And of course, you know, we've got this, we've got this great font
Everett that is uh unique and uh
Everett true to Han Hart. I even
Andrew like the script of the Han Hart logo. Yeah. Which I typically want less of a logo.
Everett Yeah. This is a really I mean it's just super modern and super weird and super neat and but also like
Andrew And in two sizes, right? That like that is not something that a lot of that more brands need to be doing. They need to be segmenting out doing 39s and 42s because there's people out there who want a 42. I'm kind of down with a 42 millimeter chronograph. I really like this in 39 though, and 39 is such a proven size for this style of chronograph.
Everett So I don't know. I don't know if I
Everett I mean these aren't super cheap. So this 2990 euro is based on what I'm reading, which is you know, a little over
Everett three grand. Um, we've
Everett got a manual wine anti fifty one hundred movement, which is not uh column wheel uh
Andrew chronograph. It's a it
Everett is a flyback t but and and a and a relatively high beat rate of 2800, 28,800, 58 hour power reserve. It's a good movement. It's an interest it's a
Everett beautiful movement. It is
Everett a really, really attractive movement.
Andrew Regulated a plus eight a day.
Everett But at that, at that price, it might be nice to have.
Everett I don't know. I I'd
Andrew like to play with this rotating bezel. I wonder if it's pure friction or if it's uh it's got a clicky.
Everett Yeah, I don't know. I think
Andrew it's just pu I think they're just pure friction,
Everett frankly. I I like a friction bezel.
Andrew I really like a friction bezel, but I also really like the tactile feedback of good like 60 clicks.
Everett I'm glad you talked about this one, Andrew. I really
Andrew like it. Thank you. Nicest thing you've ever said to
Everett me. Um it was on my
Everett list too. Just for the show. That's why I
Andrew had to get to it. There was a lot of overlap this week and a half. So next is
Everett a watch that I'm not gonna name any names, but uh
Andrew you have to talk about the name of the brand that we're gonna talk about. Uh
Everett well, I will. I will. So the what we're gonna talk about is the newest version of the Volcane Skin Diver Nautique. That is a watch that came out a few years ago, and it came out in and someone close to me, close to us, close to the show, but no no longer
Everett no longer a part of our operation,
Everett uh, who perhaps works for a different publication. Uh
Andrew The Atlantic kind of poo-pooed
Everett this watch when it came out. And at the time, he his poo-pooing was compelling in a way that I thought, you know, I can kinda, but as time goes on, and I just think he's absolutely wrong. I think Vulcane in 2023 crushed it with their skin diver not teague. So first let's talk about
Andrew what the watch is. So this
Everett is a they use the phrase skin diver and and I think that that's right. We've I I've
Everett been a little critical of brands using
Everett the skin diver title with watches for like true what I think are like true dive spec watches.
Andrew Because a skin diver's kind of vaguely specific in what it can't be. That's right. But this I think even though
Everett it's a 200 meter watch, I it and and that's kind of thick. It's not super thick, but it's it's thick-ish coming in at 12-2. What we got is 38 millimeters by 122 thick and 200 meters of water resistance. And
Everett aesthetically,
Andrew very much a skin diver. We've got sort
Everett of that thin dive-esh bezel that's pushed out to the side of a regular relatively prominent dial with a big fat bulby crystal. Okay, you
Everett got me. I I wanna I wanna
Everett argue with you, Volcane, but I won't. This is a skin
Everett diver. You're right. You
Andrew got the you got it right. The
Everett reason I know this is when you look at the bracelet. Andrew, have you seen this bracelet? I
Andrew hate. I knew you were gonna
Everett hate this bracelet, but I I hate
Andrew it and I also get it and I I think it works. I think it
Everett works so it is the weirdest bracelet, and it's and it's so good.
Andrew The bracelet is what makes is what finishes the skin diver, right? Because you've got this kind of it sort of fits, it sort of fits in this 1960s. Uh the dimensions are right, the water resistance is there, the design language is there, and then you get this bizarro vintagey bracelet that doesn't make sense. You're like, that's from 1964. Yup, this is a skin diver.
Everett This is what the Aura 65 would be if Our spent a little bit more
Everett time trying to make that weird. Mm-hmm.
Everett I've used that word tonight. Maybe that's
Andrew what a skin diver is. A skin diver is just kind of a weird diver.
Everett I've used that word weird tonight a
Everett lot, but I'm in the mood for weird.
Andrew Wet Billy coming at you. And this is weird, and I'm here for
Everett it. Volcane, you've won me over. Now,
Andrew uh, this is 100 meters
Everett of Wanionalusta meteorite.
Andrew I think that's Munyan Lusta. And
Everett I think that's dumb. And you shouldn't get that. Uh with
Everett that said. This is a really
Everett cool platform. This watch didn't make my list
Andrew because it was another meteorite dial, and I just could not I I was I liked everything else. The bracelet is really interesting to me. Uh another meteorite dial, I just could not do it.
Everett Yeah, I mean we've been on this show, I think increasingly in the last six months to a year, been critical of Well, a
Andrew year ago we liked it. It was interesting. It was kind of new.
Everett All right, great. Now get it out of the way.
Andrew This was a cool place to put it because this is a cool watch. I I want them to drop these with their lacquered dials or enameled dials.
Everett Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean seriously, right?
Andrew Yeah. I I I get one. Yeah, you know, I I struggle
Everett with that because I think we take I think we take Manionalusta meteorite for granted because it's so common,
Everett it is a really, really
Everett interesting material. Of all the materials on Earth, it is the one that's not from Earth, and that makes it fucking interesting. And we're
Andrew slicing it up and putting it in and watches. That feels irresponsible. Well, there's so much of it.
Everett People just go out for a walk in the forest and they'll find a piece of it.
Andrew Well, you know, they said that about the buffalo too. Well,
Everett yeah. You know, I I mean, uh it is finite, right? Obviously, it's finite. It was a big ass meteorite though, apparently.
Andrew Buffalo are huge. There was millions of them roaming the planes. Put some fucking white people on a train and then Turner
Everett brought them all back. They ruined it.
Andrew Uh it it is it and I I don't know. I I I I it's a a little facetious, but also like it feels kind of irresponsible to just be shaving up this like totally not renewable thing.
Everett So monochrome, Steve says, so basically they slapped a Mont Blanc
Everett 1858 IC dial on the OS Diver 65, and that's that. I'm seriously wondering who's gonna spend money on
Everett this. And it's got three thumbs up. So first of all, Steve, eat shit.
Everett Second of all, if you thumbs up that, fuck
Everett off. We could we should just do an
Andrew episode of comment response.
Everett Yeah. Yes, yeah, yeah. We gotta get you a
Andrew little saucy though. Uh uh, let's see.
Everett Yeah, what does it say? Lucas says uh Oris Diver sixty five were
Everett in the sixties released later than the Vulcan skin diver Nautique, and the dial on Oh
Everett no. He's okay, hey, wait. Yeah, he's fighting this guy. Okay, Lucas, you're my friend now. I I'm sorry, I I I did the mean voice when I started reading that. And I'm just
Andrew assumed you safely assume that if you have the gall to comment, it's going to be dumb.
Everett He does finish it and say it's a shame that the hands
Everett and the indices aren't black for better readability, which uh Okay, fair enough.
Andrew I don't know. It's pretty legible.
Everett I think so too. This is really cool, man. This is a really, really cool watch.
Andrew I I like everything but for the meteorite. Yeah. Uh like I don't
Everett even I don't even not like the meteorite. I'm just sort of over. I just
Andrew want uh one of Volcane's better dials in this. Yeah. Uh well I just think
Everett you can get it in other dials.
Andrew But I I I know, but I don't want that. I just don't want that to even be a thing. Yeah, I mean
Everett you can get this in in blue and black and purple.
Andrew I don't want and orange and
Everett brown and gray.
Andrew Copper. I want meteorite gray, but not meteorite. And blue? Well, obviously. I just I don't want to. Well
Everett you're being kinda whiny right now. Everett,
Andrew have you heard yourself talking about the comments. We should wind rewind it here and we can listen. I don't
Everett think it normally comes with that bracelet though. Dude, that bracelet is fucking wild.
Andrew Uh it usually comes with
Everett like a beads of rice, I think. Oh no, you can get it on that brace.
Everett Oh yeah, look at that.
Andrew Mm mm. Uh-huh. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. For
Everett that's two thousand eighty bucks. Volcane
Andrew never has my attention.. No No.
Everett I don't know why. It's because they're kind of weird, man. They're kind of weird.
Andrew They never have my attention. What's next? Mm-hmm.
Everett I know. It's kind of weird, right? We've got a whole bunch of watches to talk
Everett about. None of them that really I want to talk about.
Everett Uh I want to talk about one.
Andrew Braymont goes playful with the altitude MB Meteor Felix the Cat. And I like the MB Meteor as as a watch. I think it's a really cool platform. I think it's it's one of my favorite Braymonts. Uh I think it makes sense. Right.
Everett With their triptych. Yeah. I'm
Everett with you. The This
Andrew in in classic Braymont fashion just doesn't make sense to me. Felix the Cat is on there grabbing the six and running off with it. But he's running against he's running to the right, like away from the hands, and I feel like just flip him over and let the the let the hands be sweeping him away with the six. I don't I don't get it. I don't get
Everett it. Why?
Everett Look. Braymont does so
Andrew many things that don't make sense, and this is just like another thing that I don't get. Get your catalog in order before you start being playful.
Everett Yeah, I was I was counseling one of my uh employees this week about about networking. And uh essentially I was trying to make the point that, you know, n networking isn't what we think it is, right? We when we think of networking, we have this this picture of networking, you know, as uh hi my name is, name tag at a at an i event with icebreakers and blah blah blah blah blah. But that's really not what networking is. At least successful networking. Successful networking is forming relationships and then and then engaging in those relationships in meaningful ways that may not be immediately apparent, right? Being creative with with engaging those relationships.
Andrew And that's that's what networking is. And and knowing a diverse group of people because that's what matters.
Everett It feels to me like that's what Bramot's doing here, right? Like there's a relationship and they're engaging in the relationship and I can feel that. Okay, Braymont. But this is a fucking dumb watch.
Andrew It is so dumb. Like I it it doesn't it doesn't have like the heritage of Timex and Snoopy or even Omega and Snoopy.
Everett If this had come out in nineteen ninety-two, maybe rad. But who
Andrew knows Felix the Cat anymore? Yes. And
Everett then I had to think about it. I was like, wait, what was Felix the Cat? I don't I still don't really know what Felix the Cat is.
Andrew He was just a I don't I I know he was a black cat.
Everett That's racist. Is
Andrew it? No, I don't think so. Oh.
Everett Uh yeah, fuck man. It
Andrew doesn't make sense. It's just it's like another an another thing on the list of Braymont is making that just I don't it it they're all over the place. They're just throwing it all at the wall still. And I wanna see Braymont because
Everett Braymont does some really cool shit. I
Andrew want to see him focus and stop doing silly things. Yeah, I
Everett I mean uh y you
Andrew know because I love this platform.
Everett Y you know how like uh when you were in middle school
Everett and there was that kid that was just like
Everett had all the pimples and like
Everett his clothes never fit. And then
Everett like maybe you got to high school and he like just
Everett figured it out and like all of a sudden he was like handsome and had all the girls. I I I
Andrew if you don't if you can't think of who that person was it, does it mean that it was you?
Everett No. Oh, oh it well no
Everett it I I can actually No, it wasn't. It wasn't you.
Andrew Yeah. No, I know. No,
Everett I mean I think I think Braymont might be going through an awkward teenage phase.
Andrew For 10 years? Well, yeah.
Everett No. No, that's not fair. I mean I
Everett think I think we're
Everett like three to five years. It
Everett it just doesn't seem like they're pulling themselves
Everett out. So we'll we'll we'll see. They're
Andrew steering. We'll see. I I I'm not
Everett a fan of Bramont right now. I'm not a fan.
Everett And I've never really been a fan of Braymont, but I'm like particularly not a
Andrew fan of Braymont right now. So, but hopefully
Everett I can see I could I could see them getting to a place in relatively short order where they start releasing watches that someone might be interested
Andrew in. I mean, this is a this is a cool platform. It's a big twin stick grade two type
Everett of laisie
Andrew parade movement. Like everything about this thing is cool.
Everett Yeah. It's a great platform. Leverage
Andrew that. Not some not iconic cartoon.
Everett Okay. 55 minutes. This is my last watch for the night. Benris Sky Chief Chronograph.
Andrew Glad we're talking about it, but I wanted to talk about it. Well, you I'll let you talk about it.
Everett You I'll talk about it. You go, and then I can you
Everett can talk about it. And then you, me, and then I'll
Andrew you me. Benrus
Everett is a yeah, you know, obviously this is a historic brand that's been sort of revived and brought back to life. And, you know, I think at times we've been high on Benrus, and at times we've thought, okay. Um you know one thing I can say about Penris is what they provide is often at a price point where I'm like, I I have to sort of really think like,, is this worth it? And this watch is no different. It's still there for me. With that said, I think this is my favorite release that Benriss has had since they've come back. So Sky Chief Chronograph, which is a which is a recreation of one of their historic pilots' watches. Um Um, this is an early model, an early Benrist model that was popular with airline pilots, like uh commercial airline pilots in the middle parts of the 20th century. So uh 1940s watches, sky chief, dedicated pilots chronograph. Uh these were typically pretty compact cases, very thin bezels, all dial, equipped with uh like a Venus 172 or 178, and then later Valjou movements, uh, classic tri-compacts layout. Here, what we've got is a 36mm stainless steel chronograph that comes in at a remarkable 11-9 thick. I say remarkable because I think with this watch being as small as it is, for them to get it to 11.9 is exactly what they needed to do to make this really cool.
Andrew For an autochronograph? Yeah.
Everett And this is really fucking cool. So
Andrew Cosk certified even. And
Everett and so 36 millimeters also, you might think, well, 36 millimeters is pretty small for a chronograph, but if it's all dial. Because it's because it's all dial, this thing works so freaking well. It's available in two dial colors. We've got what they're calling a stratus gray, which is a very, very dark charcoal gray and a cirrus white, which is like pretty silver.
Everett Silver. Pretty silver.
Everett Uh, both of them are glossy, lacquered sunburst styles. Uh with really beautiful complementary sub-dials and this old like 1940s Sky Chief logo that looks like it's a hand script.
Andrew Yep. Golly man.
Everett This thing is so fucking cool. The
Andrew coolest part is that they kept the four, eight, twelve markers on your minute subdial for sextant navigation.
Everett Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's bizarre and really neat.
Andrew I don't know how to do that. Nope. Um but I like that it's there.
Everett Yeah. I like that they they
Andrew they weren't they took all the inspiration and the things that they could pull forward into application and and do 'em thoughtfully and they did that. Yeah. And thirty-six for a chronic like this that's just all dial is perfect. I I do think that I would have liked to have seen a different color uh numeral on the silver. Not because of legibility, but just because it it it all kind of gets mud muddled muddled up together versus on that gray that that tan yellow marker color really stands out and just looks
Everett so good. Yeah. So sapphire
Everett sandwich here, um,
Everett Eta 2894 movement, which is based on a Cosk certified 2892, uh, 288 vibrations for
Andrew 100 meters of water resistance. 100 meters of water
Everett resistance. Now we get to the part where I'm like, oh, I gotta think about it. We're looking at four grand.
Everett Yeah. On this. Uh,
Everett and and again, that's always been my reaction to Veners watches when they release on I'm always like, uh, is it worth four grand? Um and I and you know I have a hard time looking at this watch and saying this is not worth four thousand dollars. I
Andrew think do you like it four thousand dollars worth is the question. I think that's the question. Because it is absolutely a four thousand dollar watch. Absolutely.. An 11 Great
Everett pushers on this, by the way. Yes. A sub-12
Andrew automatic chronograph, 100 meters of water resistance, a good movement in it.
Everett Yeah. No, a great movement. This is a f this is a fo,ur
Andrew thousand dollar watch but do you like it four thousand dollars worth?
Everett Of course. And I think that's the I think that's
Andrew the hard I I think I like other watches four thousand dollars worth. I think this is maybe not what I like four thousand dollars.
Everett You know, I I I don't I don't I I'm not willing to
Everett say that. I I I'm actually pretty I love this watch.
Andrew I I'm pretty high on it. Yeah. It it's a really
Everett cool size. I I I hope that this is a successful watch because
Andrew I think I I like the 417 more. Yeah. Yeah. But I really like this watch and it was also on my list.
Everett It's cool. And it's weird.
Everett In a good way. But it makes sense. It's
Andrew got boat planes. Not not the float planes, but the actual boat planes on the
Everett I love that logo. I love that Sky Chief logo underneath that old blocky Benress. Yeah. It's like a hand script. Yeah. I I'm a fan of this thing, man. Really, really fucking cool. Well done, Benris.
Andrew Excellent work. Excellent. What are we at? You
Everett know, we are at just over an hour, Andrew.
Andrew I'm not super interested in any of the other things that they're doing. Let me go s
Everett let me go through your list here because let
Andrew me go through your list. You know, I'm
Everett with you. I think we can pass on these. Yeah.
Andrew Not because they're not important. They just they didn't make the cut today. You
Everett know, we both had a LeBois Aventurine Sector chronograph on our
Everett list. We'll just give it a mention. Le Bois?
Everett Le Bois? Le Bois? The Boys.
Andrew Le Bo the boys released
Everett a an adventurine sector chronograph that is pretty cool.
Andrew It is cool. But I'm not gonna link to it because I closed the link.
Everett Um and yeah, I think that's good enough. Andrew, other things. What do you got?
Andrew I have a cool other thing. Uh
Everett so I needed to cold smoke.
Andrew Oh, yeah, you did. Um a couple weeks ago. And I've tried cold smoking on my uh Master Built Gravity with with poor results. Uh, because it's it I can't get below 100 uh say like a hundred and fifty.
Everett Okay. And you're not cold smoking at that temperature.
Andrew You're actually cooking. So I got a smoke tube to throw into my grill. And a smoke tube is all
Everett these words are so funny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just saying all sorts of funny words.
Andrew Words. Um for those of you unfamiliar, a smoke tube is a metal tube that you fill with pellets and ignite on one end, uh, and then it just smolders and billows smoke into whatever closed apparatus you have on it. Uh you have enjoyed the fruits of that cold smoking. Um, it wasn't fruits, it was it was meats, uh, not bologna. Um this is I cannot believe it took me so long to get one of these. I'm not just gonna use it for cold smoking. I'm gonna use it when I use my smoker and I want to add like a a really, really heavy smoke for the first four or two, four hours of my smoke, it ignited super easy. It it is exactly as easy as as it looks like it's gonna be. You fill it with pellets, you ignite it and then it just smolders for I got four hours out of out of one tube so this is I got it's the uh amazin a hyphen maze hyphen n of course. Because that's how things work. A 12-inch smoker. It's probably oh an inch and a half, two inch diameter. I'm sure the specs are on here. Um had it for 20 bucks. It was it I don't I cannot believe I went so long without having one of these just to add extra smoke or to cold smoke things. I feel like an idiot and it just sits on my rack when I'm not using it. This is terrific. If you have any interest in slow cooking and smoke cooking of things, this needs to be added to your uh your inventory of of tools.
Everett I like it. I might even throw
Andrew it on like my blackstone if I'm cooking things.
Everett It'll it'll just smoke it up.
Andrew It just smolders. Yeah, it it billowed smoke for four hours.
Everett Cool. And it just slowly
Andrew smoldered off everything. Yeah. Highly recommend. It it changed the game. And the smoke that got into that mortadella was phenomenal.
Everett It was great. That was great. Is that mortadella still good?
Everett I've got a couple slices of that. Probably
Andrew it's cured. It's cured. I might I'm
Everett I I've got a couple slices. I've got probably like
Everett a quarter pound left of that left. And I I pulled it was in the fridge today and I thought, you know
Andrew I don't know. I'm I'll I'll
Everett smell it. If it passes the smell test, I think I'm gonna go for it.
Andrew I would touch it. If it okay. If it passes the touch test. If it's
Everett not slimy. If it if it has like any ex
Andrew because it has been cured. Andrew, what do you use to brush your teeth? A toothbrush. Sure.
Everett Me too. But what specifically?
Andrew I don't know. Fair
Everett enough. Okay. That's where I was by
Andrew two packs of three months ago. Correct.
Everett Okay. That's where I was three months ago. Uh about the so the last time I went to the dentist, which was a little over six months ago, my hygienist said, Hey, you know, um you're getting a lot of buildup on the inside of your lower teeth just from your saliva glands,
Andrew right? And so every time you come in, we have to
Everett spend time there. That's your job.
Andrew Stop complaining. And you
Everett know, it I'm worried you're gonna get some cavities here
Everett because it's it's kind of a lot. And it's really not anything you're doing wrong. You're flossing and you're brushing and you know, you're doing the right things, but just because of the the biology here, you're you're
Everett you're you know gonna run into some problems.
Everett Everybody here uses the Philips Sonicare Diamond Elite toothbrushes.
Andrew And that's not what you win with, is it? And you um might
Everett want to try it. They're not cheap. We don't sell them, and I'm not telling you that because we make any money. You'd gotta go to Costco or something to buy one,
Everett but you should try it. All the people that here incl,uding Dr. Jones, blah blah blah, uses this. Dr. Jones.
Andrew Indiana? Yeah. Ken. Dope. Uses this. So uh uh you know at the time, yeah, you
Everett know, they're fucking expensive.
Everett I go look at these things and I'm like, good lord, these are a lot of money. And uh
Everett I talked to Kim and Kim's like, yeah, you know,
Everett let's do a two-pack, we'll do it, we'll make it our Christmas presents to each other. We'll get and so we did
Andrew this. That's the shittiest Christmas present I've ever heard of. I mean, it wasn't it,
Everett but anyway.
Everett So I go back to the dentist. Last week. No, this week.
Andrew The Flexcare Platinum? Uh Philips
Everett Sonicare Diamond Clean Smart. I think
Everett 9700. I'll
Andrew send you a link. Yeah, I need that. That's a that's a long name. That's like a it's like a citizen reference number. I'm a
Everett convert, Andrew. I have now used this thing for since well since like late
Everett November because we we got these things and we're like we'll we'll just open these things up.
Everett I went to the dentist this week, Monday,
Everett and I had less buildup than
Andrew I've ever had in my entire life. And I'll just tell you: I am a
Everett brusher and a flosser. Every day
Everett I brush and floss in the shower, and then every night I brush my teeth. And I've been that way for quite a while.
Andrew And this was the cleanest
Everett my mouth has ever been. Huh. After like three months of using. So some of you at home are gonna be like, yeah, duh, because this is not uh uh I'm this isn't
Andrew this isn't revolutionary, yeah. But I would just say if
Everett you have uh and I don't know that you need to get the super expensive ones. I did that because my hygienist recommended it, and I said, I'll just do this one because this is a recommendation. Buy once, cry once, yeah, all that stuff. Um, maybe you could do the same thing with a less expensive model, but I will never, ever, ever go back to regular brushing.
Andrew So it uh it's
Everett fun too. It's fun too. So my toothbrush.
Andrew Does it play music? It doesn't play music.
Everett But what it does is it does two minutes in twenty second intro increments? Oh,
Andrew to get your quadrants or your sections That's
Everett right. Sectors. That's right. So I spend twenty seconds on each third of each half of my mouth. And it's just it's just terrific. I I've
Everett been sort of I've sort of rejected
Everett it. I sort of rejected this for a long time thinking I'm just going to use
Andrew Yeah, but there's a reason dentists recommend it, and there's a reason that there's it's like
Everett it's fucking crazy, dude
Everett it''ss it always like so good yeah
Andrew I always think about it but then I just buy another two pack of toothbrushes um when I took my ten year old to the dentist it's probably been three months, but it does it doesn't matter when. Uh, they have this um reactive spray shirt for kids that they spray on the fronts of their teeth so they can see all the plaque that they're misting to like highlight. So it immediately turns like fluorescent pink. And she's like, Look, this is what you're missing. So here are some tool, like here's some methods to do better. Because uh it looked very funny. Because you know, where where people miss, like in the corners and like where their teeth interact and meet and just you know, where kids don't brush because they're in a hurry to do something else. Sure. Um it was an eye opening experience for him. He like got out of that chair and was like all like disappointed. He's like, I am not doing a good enough job.
Everett Andrew, I think that's all we have for tonight. That
Andrew is oral hygiene. Do
Everett you want to add anything before we kick
Everett on? No. Hey, folks,
Everett uh once again, thank you for
Everett joining us for this episode of 40 and
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Everett of 40 and 20.
Andrew For another hour of watches, food, drinks, life., and other things He
Everett nailed it. That's what we do. I was testing him. Bye-bye.