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Animatic, Hanhart, and Vulcain Get Weird (384)

Published on Thu, 12 Mar 2026 22:32:12 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 and 20 WatchClicker Podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent developments in the watch industry while balancing their busy lives with kids' sports activities. They begin with significant news about Astor and Banks founder Andrew Perez facing a trademark dispute from Scout Motors over the "Terra Scout" watch name, forcing him to delay deliveries. Everett, speaking from his legal background, analyzes the intellectual property claim as potentially weak given timing issues and the different product categories involved.

The hosts then dive into several exciting new watch releases, including the innovative Chrono-Tokyo Divers—a transformer-style watch that converts from a 35mm dress watch to a 46mm dive watch with up to 300 meters of water resistance. They explore releases from Serica (Thai numeral California dial), Unimatic's collaboration with The Armory and Nigel Caborn, Hanhart's titanium 417 Desert Pilot, Vulcain's meteorite dial Skin Diver, and Benrus's Sky Chief Chronograph revival. The episode concludes with "other things," including Andrew's enthusiasm for smoke tubes for cold smoking and Everett's conversion to electric toothbrushes after a dental hygienist's recommendation, crediting his Philips Sonicare with dramatically improved oral health.

Transcript

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Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the WatchClicker Podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. And Everett, before I ask how you are, because I am interested in how you are, could you turn my headphones down just a little bit? My kids were clearly playing with this. I'm like screaming in my ears. Yeah. How does that feel? That's much better. Thank you. I'm trying to talk at a normal volume, but like stop shrieking inside. Uh now, Everett, how are you? I'm doing great, Andrew. I'm doing I'm doing really well. I uh it's baseball season. Baseball season started and uh we were in practices. We got first game Monday pre season, obviously. Uh but yeah, it's good that's been exciting, man. It's a little, you know, it's a change of pace, right? Uh uh, you know, out on the field you know, leaving work at four forty five so I can make five fifteen practice and then out on the field for two hours is uh different, right? It's just it changes that pace a little bit. But it's fun. It it makes evenings really hectic. Yeah, it does. That's right. Like you just feel under so much pressure to be like, well, we have to get dinner, like the kids have to eat, then I'm sure they have homework. Yeah. Yeah. The the way your evening condenses when evening sports activities start getting thrown into the mix is just wild. Yeah. But it's good, man. It's fun. I'm coaching again, so back on the field, and that's exciting. Uh that at first base for like an hour and a half tonight. I was like, this is cool, man. This is the weather's perfect for it too. It's it was a good night. Yeah, Saturday, or was it Sunday? We had practice this weekend and it was like 70 degrees and sunny. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is phenomenal. And then we had a a day of torrential downpour and I was able to sneak in a lawn mowing. Uh yeah between us. Yeah. Andrew, how are you? Uh I'm good. You know, just chugging on along. Also busy with kids' sporting activities. And they just like want to do more and more stuff. The my kindergartner, his teacher sent home a notification that was like, hey, there's this Chinese language competition that takes place. And if any of your kids want to take want to participate, it's a K through tell K through 12, non-native speaking, non-heritage Chinese language competition. And if you know they make it through this regional, they'll go compete in San Francisco at the super regional. And if they get to progress to the finals, they go to China. My fifth grader is like, nah, I'm not interested. My kindergartner's like, yeah, I want to do that. God damn it. More stuff. More stuff. Um so we'll see. Maybe he'll lose interest. I hope he does. Um, but just like piling on, piling on and piling on. Yeah, it's good. It's good though, right? Is it? I think so. I want more time for me, like to do the things I want to do. Fair enough. Yeah. No, I, you know, I I I sometimes feel that way, but I really enjoy my kids getting old enough to be doing stuff that I find is cool, right? Like my boys are playing like ninety foot baseball. Ooh, that's real ball. And it's cool. It's freaking cool. I I did take Mark to a shooting range this last weekend. Yeah. That was awesome. It was a super fun morning. The range is kinda weird. I don't know. I'm I'm I'm particular. You you all may or may not know this about me, but I I'm a little peculiar and I have my particularities. So public gun ranges are not a place that I find a lot of enjoyment. They don't give you the warm and fuzzy. They don't give me the warm and fuzzy. I don't like having an old retired guy behind me like I don't see a chamber flag in your in your receiver there, young man. I'm like, motherfucker, like this is my chamber flag right here. Like uh But he had a really great time. We got uh the 22 rifle that I got for the for the kids dialed in. Kid was shooting good groups and he had an absolute blast and as we're driving back, he's like, you know what we need to do to to top off this this man day? Like what? Big Max. I thought he was gonna say dairy queen, but Big Max. I feel that fuck yeah, let's go get Big Max. I got the Big Arch because I like I couldn't resist. Yeah. It's not good. Yeah, I tried it. I didn't like it. It has like eight different sauces on it and Yeah, it it's like a mustard sauce. And I yeah, I wasn't I wasn't a huge fan of the burger. It's not bad. It's not bad, but I I mean just a double quarter pounder of a cheese. That's that's where it's like that over that. Every day. For sure. Every day. Well, in any event, we're not here to talk about burgers or kids sports or or any of those things. Rather we're here to talk about watches and we got some watches to talk about. Uh just a quick uh just a quick caveat to the listeners at home. We are a couple days late. Uh a couple days late here, and we were a couple days late last week. I was traveling to Utah and they got back and have been slammed with baseball and andrew's been slammed with life and sick kids. And me sick. I got I had a weird head cold and then it kind of like went downstairs and so there was a delay on last week there's a delay on this week we will be publishing tomorrow which for you is today Friday, and then next week we'll be back on our Tuesday schedule, fingers crossed. Uh in any event, still haven't missed a week. No. Here we are. So I and and and you know, you might you might argue that you've missed a week, but we've had an episode for every single week since we got started. You know, and at one point early on, we even had like a couple backup episodes canned. Yeah, yeah. But we we we took this shit to Mexico for every week that has existed since November of 2018, we've had an episode. Some of them have been published a little bit out of the traditional order, but never missed a week. And sometimes they I'm gonna hold on to that. And sometimes they get forgotten for a couple days. There's a there's a a little asterisk. There's an asterisk, but for every week since November 2018, we've had an episode. 380 some of them. Some could call us media industry experts. Yeah, I think that's right. Well, I mean, we're certainly prolific at this point. I think that's a fair word to say. 40 and 20, the prolific watches podcast. I like that. I'm going to start using that. I need to update my resume. Prolific watch media personality and industry leading expert. Andrew, why don't you get started? Okay, I want to get us started with some watch news. Um our dear friend Andrew Perez has found himself in a little bit of uh conundrum uh with legal legal legal murky waters yes with the terascout so the terror scout uh which was a watch that was announced three months ago ish. Well and has been a a available for pre-order and was about to start shipping. Um I think informally announced like five months ago. Well, yeah, well I think like it last January even. Was it? Yeah, I mean I think that he had like on Instagram he had sort of I don't know teasers for a very long time. But he had Terra Scouts at Windup. Um it doesn't matter when. Fact is, we were expecting to start to see delivery on these pre-ordered watches. Until that is, Scout Motors uh filed a trademark dispute, which prompted Andrew to delay all of his deliveries. Andrew being the very customer focused and customer first brand owner that he is. It was like, okay, yep, nope, we're gonna pause on this. And if you want your money back, it's yours. Um which I think is commendable because I I I don't know that every brand would do that. Um but basically it comes down to the brand Scout Motors is claiming that the use of Terra Scout is a infringement on their IP. And I'm gonna now defer to uh our in-house counsel for a a little bit a little bit more robust uh waxing poetic of of the problems at hand. Aaron Powell Yeah. Well, you know, I'm not an IP lawyer, so let's just start there. You are in-house counsel, so you're a kind of lawyer. But I am in-house counsel. I I'm gonna say that because my fingers crossed. And you are my That's right. Which means that this is all falling under attorney client privilege. So I'm gonna get in so much trouble. Um yeah, no, it it's it's not i i in terms of IP claims, this is not the most clear cut. I I think there's a couple of there's a couple of issues here. I I mean the the first one is um just the type of claim, right? This is uh the type of I c IP claim where you have to to show that the type of use is likely to cause confusion among consumers. And given that this is a watch and that's a vehicle, it's like, well, who's going to be confused? Does do you think the Vero partnership with Scout lends any ass to their position because of the already preexisting brand industry crossover. I d I mean sure that there you know evidence is evidence, right? And and so does does that create uh some evidence? Yeah, certainly. Whether that's compelling or not. Uh I don't know. Well what I will say is I think that that Scout Motors has some timing problems here. You know, I know that the Terra Scout has been a thing for much longer than Scout Motors had filed either of its either of its trademark or registered IP products in this matter. So you know, there's some timing issues, there's some just sort of baseline legal issues. In terms of IP claims, this isn't a great one. Uh with that said, um, you know, it'll be it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I I have to assume that scout Motors being you know really a brand new company. I don't think they've even sold vehicles yet. Um it I I'm sure that they are ad space. Yeah, that's right. I I'm sure that they are, you know, really trying to be diligent about securing their IP in the marketplace. But this feels to me like a reach based on my non-IP lawyer brain. Uh, but yeah, we'll see what happens. These types of things normally settle. So we'll see. Do you think they're going after scout rifles next? Yeah, and I doubt they can snipers. Yeah, I I uh it you know w really hard to say. It seems really frivolous, and I hope Andrew takes away from this that he has made it. He is making ripples in the automotive industry as a watch brand owner. Uh bummed to see that the Terra Scout is not going to be shipping as soon as we hoped because these are really cool. Pictures do them a lot of justice, but in person, they're they're a they're really a cool watch. You know, I reached out to Andrew. It's been a few months now, but I reached out to Andrew pretty much right after the announcement and said, Hey, you know, I'd really like to get one of these to throw up a review. And he said, Yeah, uh for sure. Um, I kind of need to get back to you on that. And he he was like a little cagey. And then, you know, later he came out and said, Yeah, this is kind of what's going on. And um I don't have any insider information, but I've been, you know, uh he's a friend, right? And so we've been talking about it, not a lot, but a little bit over the last few weeks. And yeah, this it it's it's a really unfortunate situation. I feel really bad for him and I hope that it resolves quickly and seamlessly. And we get these out into the world because they are I think they're really cool. They're hot fire. Uh and they they so well encapsulate the the Astor and Banks design language and ideology of of how Andrew makes and designs his watches. Yeah. They're just they're they fit perfectly in his catalogue of really purpose built, really well designed watches. I was pumped about this the second I saw it and um that hasn't changed. So do we have any more like pure watch news, Andrew? I thought we had two pieces, but I'm not seeing anything else. I don't see it either. I think that means that maybe I um deleted it. Okay. Well, in any event, I'm gonna move on to my first watch because it's a watch that I'm really excited about. Uh and when I say a watch, I mean a watch, but it's a bit of a transformer in that regard, which is to say it's really two in one. Corona Tokyo. Oh you fucker. Chrono-Tokyo released this week. The Divers is a two-in in one watch that has a dive watch that encapsulates a what they're calling a dress watch, although I think it's more of a sport watch. Uh and if you're like, say what? It it's the right shroud. It's so cool. It is a shroud, is what it is. Um it's dive watch plated. Yeah. Look, this thing is really cool. I mean, it's got some like it's got a bit of a Project Alaska vibe to it, but uh it it and kind of kind of done in a different in a different way. So w w what this is is this has got like a you know uh I would say sort of a recognizable dive watch dial with dots and rectangles and a big triangle at twelve o'clock is very much a layout we know. Uh but on top of that we've got these cathedral hands blue or perhaps blued. I actually don't know the answer to that question. Cathedral hands. I bet they're blued just based on the way they they built watches in the past. And and depending on what mode are you're looking at this thing in? We either have a sort of square tonneau, very short lug dress watch with a beautiful little bump crown on the side. Little nibbon of a crown, yeah. Or we have a crownless dive watch with a big fat red burgundy bezel, CoinEdge bezel, sitting on top of a really classically styled uh classically styled sport watch platform. Um and it's almost it here was my experience. When I first saw this watch, I'm looking at these two watches side by side, and I know what's happening because I've read about what was happening, and I still couldn't like you know how sometimes your brain can't figure something out you know I'm unfamiliar with that phenomenon I'm like looking at it and I'm like what how did this that goes in this go in? Wait. What? What? I mean, it's really a bizarre experience. If you don't know what I'm talking about, pull over or whatever and just pull up a picture of this because it is fucking crazy. Didn't didn't Formex do uh replaceable case watching we've seen a couple like interchangeable the reefs are modular and but I you know I think the closest thing I've ever seen to this is the Alaska Project Speedmaster. Um that's different in some meaningful ways. No, we saw one at Wind Up and I wish I could remember the brand. It was this it it had your movement, your your watch c like your watch, your actual time piece, and it came with two or three different cases that you could just drop and plug it in, and they were all different colorways. You're not thinking of the wreath? No. No, no. I I I this sounds familiar, Andrew. I and I remember it really specifically because there was a YouTuber there who like did a short YouTube video for it and the guy thanked him by giving him a watch and I was like how many hours of content you got bro uh I didn't want it to be fair uh it would just it it would have just sat it probably would have gone to one of my kids. But it was an interesting idea to have gosh she had tennis balls and shit on the table. What was it? I don't know. You you keep thinking I'm gonna tell you that's what we're looking at. So what we've got is a 35 millim ceterushion case, sort of classically uh, you know, early 20th century dress watch with bigger proportions, obviously. Um uh Hodinki says it's an officer or dress watch, o,kay fair enough, Hodeliki. Cushion case. Um, but then what you can and with 50 meters of water resistance. So the the 35mm cushion case, 50 meters of water resistance. But then what you can do is you can take the leather strap off, drop it in this dive shroud, and all you have to do is by hand, by hand, tension the screw down bezel and protrusion sitting at twelve and six o'clock below and above the bezel ring by hand, and you get a hundred meters of water resistance. Bamford. Okay. Okay. It wasn't wholly different cases. It was just different case colors. Alternatively, the watch comes with a tool called, it's a supplied, it's called the duo seal tool, which if you use that to a to screw down the outer case, you get water resistance up to 300 meters. So you go from 35 millimeters and 50 meters of water resistance, drop it in a case, tighten everything down to 300 meters of water resistance, 46 millimeter dive case by 13.5 millimeters thick. That's what's impressive here. You have a watch within a watch shroud with 300 meters of water resistance and 13 and a half. So we know it's limited. We don't know how limited. We know it's limited at least to some extent. Retail price being twenty seven hundred. It's a concept watch, right? I I don't know that I don't know that anybody knows how popular this is gonna be, who's gonna want it, but my guess is they're sold out instantly. Like you're gonna it's not gonna be easy to get one of these. There was a period of time that's over where you could express interest up until March 11th, one application per customer. Um, and then they were sending out emails now between March thirteenth and march sixteenth to say, Hey, you've got one of these. This is a wild watch. And it's not a unidirectional bezel either. So you get the the It is unidirectional. Bidirectional because to unlock the seals to remove your to reduce your water resistance, you have to unscrew that bezel. Yeah, but I think if you have it all the way tight. Okay, well, okay. That's your unlocking mechanism. I see. That's how you that's how you break the seal on it. Yeah. Yeah. Uh what does it say? It says since the bezel rotates in the same direction both to track dives and to unlock the case. No, I thought it said both directions. No, it it's just a unidirectional bezel. So it yeah, yeah. There's some there's some oddities here. There's some oddities. I I think this is the type of thing you're gonna have to get hands on to really understand how it works. I think you maybe don't understand it and I think that's okay. I don't understand it. I think anybody understands it. I think it's okay. I think it's supposed to be like a a display of solving a problem that we didn't know we needed to solve. I I get it. I I'm I'm I'm on I'm here for it. I think this is fucking rad. Nine OS five movement.. Y Yepep. It's not chronometer. It's not chronometer plus No, this is I mean this is all about this is all about the concept. So I I'm glad that it's yeah you know I'm glad that it's twenty seven hundred dollars a and affordable, although probably impossible to get. I think it'd be so fun to just lock down that big ass shroud on your watch and then get this I mean the the duo seal relative to the 46 and a half millimeter case doesn't look that big, but that means that it's like uh a whole handful of a a ratcheting tool that sits down to crank that case down to 300 meters of water resistance. And I wonder like it it's almost like you're doing the super compressor action for it. Yeah. Your your above water compressing everything to tighten it down. Yeah, you know, I'm looking at the comments on Hodenki and I shouldn't do that, right? You just should never read the comments. But I think all these people are just fucking morons. Like it the people that are positive are positive about the wrong things. The people that are negative are just stupid. Like I it you know what I hate these people like this is so interesting and so cool like the people like expensive complex and cumbersome solution to a problem that doesn't exist describes mechanical watchmaking for the past fifty years. TJ H, from an aesthetic standpoint, neither configuration really works. It's an interesting piece of gimmickry though. Just shut up. That's amazing mouth. If this is somebody listening, turn my podcast off. Fuck you. No, now you owe us on the b go away. And we're gonna send you a bill. God. Uh yeah, I just uh more is more. This is fucking cool. We've talked about some absolutely ridiculous watches here. And ridiculous for all different reasons than this. This is ridiculous because it doesn't make sense. And in that, it kind of makes perfect sense. You have a two-in-one that is a real no bullshit spec dive watch that can do the thing, and then you have a really lovely, I mean just the standalone uh cushion watch is really attractive. I really like it. It's so cool. I'd I'd probably never wear the shroud on it. Yeah. It's it's really cool. Andrew, what's next? Oh, next up for me. Golly, I wasn't ready for this. We've gone through exactly one watch, and I think there's like 10 watches to get through. And we're at 37 minutes, so weird. Are we really? Yeah. Oh, we're twenty. It's only twenty-four. We're focused though. We've been talking watches for the majority of this. We had to opine on legal matters, discuss a revolutionary watch, and now we're gonna talk the Serica reference 6190 TDM with a tie twist on the California dial. And if that doesn't make sense immediately, uh what it's using Thai in lieu of the traditional Arabic numerals that you would see on a California dial alternating with Roman numerals. And this is fun. I like this. It's this the 6190, right? It's a watch that we know. It's a watch that we like. Um, but with Thai characters on it. Yeah, with Thai numerals at the six o'clock. Yeah. I like it. Yeah, it's cool ties I tying Cambodian characters are like just look wild to me. Yeah yeah uh be because they're they're obviously I don't know either of those languages, so they're they're really quite foreign. I've never had any real exposure to them outside of like sriracha bottles. Uh they're just beautiful, right? They're kind of loopy and they're they're really artistic character language. Like uh I I love it. I I think I like this more than the Arabic Arabic like Arab Arabic numeral Seiko. I think this is only available in the Thai domestic market. Is that right? It says that somewhere. It says it's limited to 100 pieces for the Thai domestic market, but we live in a globalized world where the internet can take you anywhere. I can show you the world in Thai. Uh yeah, hundred of these in Thai domestic market. They're 1190 euros. Um I I I like this more than the Arabic Seiko, which I think is fun. Uh and when watches of espionage featured it, suddenly they became unobtainum and tripled in price. That guy has to have psycho stock. No, it's cool, man. But a fun rendition of it. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Um I would like to talk about Unimatic for a second. Unimatic? You know, Unimatic is one of those watches that every time we talk about them, I'm like, this brand is not what like every time we talk about them, I kinda like go in and start looking at Unimatics and I'm like, this brand is not what I thought it was. Like I have it it it's odd, right? Because as many times as we talked about unimatic on this show, well a dozen probably at this maybe more. We talk about him once a month. Every time. No, well that's not true. Every time we go back to Unimatic, I think oh like I had this like image in my head or like this like structure, this business structure in my head of what Unimatic is. And then as soon as I like go to their website, I'm like, unimatic is not what I thought they were. And I don't mean the watches. The watches are what I thought, but like just prices. I mean, this is such a value-focused brand with really, really interesting I I mean, they're just doing watches in a way that is they they march to the beat of their own drum. That's that's the probably classic way to say they fit in a really weird place in the market, right? They're not Baltic, even though they're similarly priced. They're not, you know, like in the zone, right? Sure. They're not say, ooh, let's pick another kind of military-esque brand. They're not. They're not Marathon. They're they exist in that space, but they're definitely not a part of it. Yeah, they're just like I there's just like like you know I I I picture like uh I don't know like a like a 22 year old woman in cargo pants and sandals that just walks out her front door with both her middle fingers in the air pointing in different directions and just walks down the street smoking a cigarette. Like that's what unimatic is to me, right? It's like I do not care what you think I'm kind of rad and then do it this is what I'm fucking doing today uh I that was the weirdest description of anything I've ever made in my life. And it it was no, it's not I shot straight from the hip. Uh but you nailed it. I do feel like I nailed it a little bit. Uh so what this is, this is a 36mm uh field watch. Sorry, let's back up. Unimatic, the armory, and Nigel Coborn. And I I'm not sure I'm pronouncing that right. This is one of those names that I've read about 10 million times, but never never heard said out loud. So I'm gonna say Nigel Calborn, um, which is an interesting three-way collaboration, right? The armory, like sort of like classic hope culture hype beast. And then Nigel Cowboy is like one of the like just coolest people on the face of the earth, right? Like you just see him and you're like, you're doing that thing but you're you're not trying too hard like you've just he's just nails style in a way that some people could like people could wear the same shit that he does and look like an idiot. In fact, I can think of industry people right now. There's a a person that's just popped into my head who tries to do what he does and and it just fails, right? Like, maybe not fails, but it's like, yep, you're not as cool. You're not doing it right. Yeah. Like you're close, but is Nigel has this, like, just he just does it. It's effortless, and the way he does it is so they've come together, these three groups, Unimatic, The Armory, and Nigel Cabor, and made this watch, and it's fucking bizarre and weird and awesome. So what it is, is it's Unimatics 36 millimeter modello Senke case. But what they've done is they've released this in both a OD green and sort of a navy blue stone washed PVD finish, each of these with navy blue dials and a sort of a really atypical dial for Unimatic handsets are very unimatic, fonts are very unimatic, but this dial is really weird. You know, it's got unimatic's like outrageously chunky bezel that they do. They've got this 36mm case with I think it's an eight or nine millimeter. But it's not the same it crown. It has a uh the the bevel on that bezel that cuts in. Yeah. Typically unitic millimeter screwdown crown. But typically unimatics' got this big flat you know, eight flat millimeters of polished surface or you know, C P V D or Ceraco or like whatever, take your pick. This is is like a pie plate. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Uh superluminova old radium on all of the loomed characteristics. Uh very, very like functional tool watch feel on this. 300 meters of water resistance because it's unimatic. Uh, we've got a 360-degree protection system that's unique to unimatic, which meets the mill standard 810H uh testing standards, VH31A quartz movement running on a battery with an expected life of two years. This thing is just rad and weird and awesome. 150 pieces of each, the OD green and the blue, priced at about eight, or priced at 800. Exactly. I thought it was at about 800. What's the thickness on these? Uh it's they're thin. They're like uh eleven a change with three hundred meters of water resistance. Well you and you'd think so with a quartz movement. Yeah. They look. And I think I said PVD, but they're it it's it's stonewashed seracute is what it is. I I don't super dig the stonewashed like gunmetal gray. The blue stonewash though. The OD green. Yeah, is it OD? It is, yeah, it's an OD. Uh yeah, I guess so. I accept. Yeah. An aged OD. It looks like an old like Vietnam K-pot. That's right. That's exactly right. That's that's exactly what they're which is very much in Nigel Cowboard's field house. Like he he does like vintage military aesthetic. That's when he went to school. Yeah. Like this is it's pretty cool. Okay, but the the blue though, I really dig. It says eight hundred. I'm looking at the website right now, nine twenty. So I don't know what changed, but uh nine hundred and twenty dollars to order these today. So I don't know where the $800. It's probably that because you're coming from a US website. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. But the price that was quoted was in a US. So yeah, these things are fucking rad. Yeah, 11-6 thick is what that includes the dome crystal, I believe. So those are good. I like them. It's they're weird and different, and they're weird and different even for unimatic, right? That's right. It it everything about it fits within the unimatic w uh ecosystem. Yeah. But it's so clearly a collaboration with some other people. And you can see all of these influences coming together to make a really a well thought out watch. It's not just a new colorway. Thank you, finally, for a collaboration that's more than a new colorway. Yeah, I mean for in terms of collaborations, these are cool and weird and neat. Never bought a unimatic. Not sure I will like if to the extent I'm going to, I don't know when that's gonna be. This isn't it, but I do really like these. You know, I think if I'm pressed between Unimatic and Serica, though they are very different. Oh no. I think I picked Serica all the time. All day. I don't I feel like a lot of their design things do a similar thing in your watch box. In the way of well designed, kind of fieldy, kind of austere. Sometimes you say a thing, Andrew, and I'm just like, I don't even know how to engage with this because it's so wrong. I want to just What's next? I'm gonna give you a wet billy. You know what that is? No, but I'm excited about it. So it's a wet willy in your belly button. Yeah. In the belly button. Uh You could, I guess. Um shoot. Uh oh Hanhart 417 Thai Desert Pilot. We've talked about the 417. You know, when I think about Hanhart, I just think you know, like Swatch and Hanhart, basically they do the exact same things. You think that, huh? No, I don't. No, I don't. So we're just taking turns saying ridiculous things, I guess. Uh okay, so what's the 417? This time in titanium with a really sandy tan kind of creamy white dial uh the red little tick on your coin edged bezel. Man, this is good. And and the I think the 417 in titanium is super cool. Um bummer is they are okay so first. So the 417. It comes in a 39 or a 42. They are saying titanium and fucking awesome. Because if you didn't, you we should say that right now. 1155 thick without the crystal, matte grade five, titanium, 100 meters of water resistance. Um, they're only making 200 of each of these, and they are um oh hang on, pricing three thousand Euros plus nineteen percent VAT and they're only making two hundred per per size, which is a a real bummer. I would love to see this as a permanent member of the collection because the dial color so fits this vintage aviator like true aviation style field watch so well in titanium just turns it up to to 11. Uh man, I really like this. Hanhart's Hanhart is firing on all cylinders right now. A hundred, dude. It it's the weirdest thing. What right. I I remember the first the first time I really thought about Hanhart, we were in San Francisco and I was driving around town with Blaine. He had picked me up. I can't remember w you must not have been there. I must have been down there without you. Uh I think it was Intersect that you went to in San Francisco. No, it must have been why. No, that was LA. Yeah. Anyway, I was hanging out with Blaine. Our good friend Insta Blaine. Because you decided to go kind of last minute. And uh he had picked me up. We're driving around town. He was wearing a handhart and uh I was like, oh interesting. You know, and he's telling me all he's like, no, this is really it's really cool. And you know, you should look at the history and blah blah blah. And uh I'm playing with his handhart and I'm like, yeah, man, this is fucking cool. And but at the time, I remember thinking, yeah, handhart's cool, but they're weird, right? Like they're kind of like they're they're they're not really like in the mix. They're they're like out of the mix in a cool way, but still out of the mix. That's not so anymore. This this last year, they they are in both feet doing cool vintage-inspired releases. In the mix. They are right in the middle of it. This is a titanium pilot field watch, field pilot chronograph with dude. This thing's fucking rad. And they have all of the charm of a true vintage watch. That tan, like it it's not Fotina in any way, but it kind of looks like Fotina. It's okay to call it Fotina. But it's but it's not it's not because you have these really sharp black markers on it. This is just a tan dial. It's like a like a tropical dial, I think is maybe a fair way to describe it. Um the the red mark on the twelve o'clock of your case. I mean I, think I think right now, for me, Hanhart feels the way that Oris felt eight years ago or five years ago or whatever, right? Like sort of edgy, like has a bit of ass to it, but also is kind of breaking the rules. Yeah, you know, not to say that Horus is different now. I mean they're they are a little bit different, but the Hanhart feels to me the way Oris felt like just full of promise. They might be on a precipice right now. Well, hopefully hopefully that they just fucking skydive off that precipice and just break the glass ceiling. I love this watch, man. And the 417, uh, I talked about it with Will. It was my favorite release, one of my favorite releases of last year. You know, I think my favorite part of this watch is the very peculiar machining of that coin edge bezel. It is it's nothing special, right? It's just a CNC coin edge, but because of the angle it's on, you get this really like interesting set of angles. Because it's not a true coin edge. It's not just verticals. They're they're uh like triangular grooves rather than they are slices. Exactly. And they and they're not vertical. They're kind of also on an angle. As they approach the as they approach the topmost flat of the bezel, you get this really cool shape. Yeah, you're Andrew's doing this thing with fingers. And he's right. It's a guy can't tell, but he's a hundred percent right. It's a guy twisting the ends of his of his handlebar mustache. That's the motion. That's what they do. And of course, you know, we've got this, we've got this great font that is uh unique and uh true to Han Hart. I even like the script of the Han Hart logo. Yeah. Which I typically want less of a logo. Yeah. This is a really I mean it's just super modern and super weird and super neat and but also like And in two sizes, right? That like that is not something that a lot of that more brands need to be doing. They need to be segmenting out doing 39s and 42s because there's people out there who want a 42. I'm kind of down with a 42 millimeter chronograph. I really like this in 39 though. And 39 is such a proven size for this style of chronograph. So I don't know. I don't know if I I mean these aren't super cheap. So this 2990 euro is based on what I'm reading, which is you know, a little over three grand. Um, we've got a manual wine anti fifty one hundred movement, which is not uh column wheel uh chronograph. It's a it is a flyback t but and and a and a relatively high beat rate of 2800, 28,800, 58 hour power reserve. It's a good movement. It's an interest it's a beautiful movement. It is a really, really attractive movement. Regulated a plus eight a day. But at that, at that price, it might be nice to have. I don't know. I I'd like to play with this rotating bezel. I wonder if it's pure friction or if it's uh it's got a clicky. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's just pure I think they're just pure friction, frankly. I I like a friction bezel. I really like a friction bezel, but I also really like the tactile feedback of good like 60 clicks. I'm glad you talked about this one, Andrew. I really like it. Thank you. Nicest thing you've ever said to me. Um it was on my list too. Just for the show. That's why I had to get to it. There was a lot of overlap this week and a half. So next is a watch that I'm not gonna name any names, but uh you have to talk about the name of the brand that we're gonna talk about. Uh well, I will. I will. So the what we're gonna talk about is the newest version of the Volcane Skin Diver Nautique. That is a watch that came out a few years ago, and it came out in and someone close to me, close to us, close to the show, but no no longer no longer a part of our operation, uh, who perhaps works for a different publication. Uh The Atlantic kind of poo-pooed this watch when it came out. And at the time, he his poo-pooing was compelling in a way that I thought, you know, I can kinda, but as time goes on, and I just think he's absolutely wrong. I think Vulcane in 2023 crushed it with their skin diver not teague. So first let's talk about what the watch is. So this is a they use the phrase skin diver and and I think that that's right. We've I I've been a little critical of brands using the skin diver title with watches for like true what I think are like true dive spec watches. Because a skin diver's kind of vaguely specific in what it can't be. That's right. But this I think even though it's a 200 meter watch, I it and and that's kind of thick. It's not super thick, but it's it's thick-ish coming in at 12-2. What we got is 38 millimeters by 122 thick and 200 meters of water resistance. And aesthetically, very much a skin diver. We've got sort of that thin dive-esh bezel that's pushed out to the side of a regular relatively prominent dial with a big fat bulby crystal. Okay, you got me. I I wanna I wanna argue with you, Volcane, but I won't. This is a skin diaper. You're right. You got the you got it right. The reason I know this is when you look at the bracelet. Andrew, have you seen this bracelet? I knew you were gonna hate this bracelet, but I I hate it and I also get it and I I think it works. I think it works so good. It is the weirdest bracelet, and it's and it's so good. The bracelet is what makes is what finishes the skin diver, right? Because you've got this kind of it sort of fits, it sort of fits in this 1960s. Uh the dimensions are right, the water resistance is there, the design language is there, and then you get this bizarro vintagey bracelet that doesn't make sense. You're like, that's from 1964. Yup, this is a skin diver. This is what the Aura 65 would be if Our spent a little bit more time trying to make that weird. I've used that word tonight. Maybe that's what a skin diver is. A skin diver is just kind of a weird diver. I've used that word weird tonight a lot, but I'm in the mood for weird. Wet Billy coming at you. And this is weird, and I'm here for it. Volcane, you've won me over. Now, uh, this is 100 meters of Wanionalusta meteorite. I think that's Munyan Lusta. And I think that's dumb. And you shouldn't get that. Uh with that said. This is a really cool platform. This watch didn't make my list because it was another meteorite dial, and I just could not I I was I liked everything else. The bracelet is really interesting to me. Uh another meteorite dial, I just could not do it. Yeah, I mean we've been on this show, I think increasingly in the last six months to a year, been critical of Well, a year ago we liked it. It was interesting. It was kind of new. All right, great. Now get it out of the way. This was a cool place to put it because this is a cool watch. I I want them to drop these with their lacquered dials or enameled dials. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean seriously, right? Yeah. I I I get one. Um yeah, you know, I I struggle with that because I think we take I think we take Manionalusta meteorite for granted because it's so common, it is a really, really interesting material. Of all the materials on Earth, it is the one that's not from Earth, and that makes it fucking interesting. And we're slicing it up and putting it in and watches. That feels irresponsible. Well, there's so much of it. People just go out for a walk in the forest and they'll find a piece of it. Well, you know, they said that about the buffalo too. Well, yeah. You know, I I mean, uh it is finite, right? Obviously, it's finite. It was a big ass meteorite though, apparently. Buffalo are huge. There was millions of them roaming the planes. Put some fucking white people on a train and then Turner brought them all back. They ruined it. Uh it it is it and I I don't know. I I I I it's a a little facetious, but also like it feels kind of irresponsible to just be shaving up this like totally not renewable thing. So monochrome, Steve says, so basically they slapped a Mont Blanc 1858 IC dial on the OS Diver 65, and that's that. I'm seriously wondering who's gonna spend money on this. And it's got three thumbs up. So first of all, Steve, eat shit Second of all, if you thumbs up that, fuck off. We could we should just do an episode of comment response. Yeah. Yes, yeah, yeah. We gotta get you a little saucy though. Uh uh, let's see. Yeah, what does it say? Lucas says uh Oris Diver sixty five were in the sixties released later than the Vulcan skin diver nautique, and the dial on Oh no. He's okay, hey, wait. Yeah, he's fighting this guy. Okay, Lucas, you're my friend now. I I'm sorry, I I I did the mean voice when I started reading that. And I'm just assumed you safely assume that if you have the gall to comment, it's going to be dumb. He does finish it and say it's a shame that the hands and the indices aren't black for better readability, which uh Okay, fair enough. I don't know. It's pretty legible. I think so too. This is really cool, man. This is a really, really cool watch. I I like everything but for the meteorite. Yeah. Uh like I don't even I don't even not like the meteorite. I'm just sort of over. I just want of one of Volcane's better dials in this. Yeah. Uh well, I just think you can get it in other dials. But I I I know, but I don't want that. I just don't want that to even be a thing. Yeah, I mean you can get this in in blue and black and purple. I don't want and orange and brown and gray. Copper. I want meteorite gray, but not meteorite. And blue? Well, obviously. I just I don't want to. Well you're being kinda whiny right now. Everett, have you heard yourself talking about the comments. We should wind rewind it here and we can listen. I don't think it normally comes with that bracelet though. Dude, that bracelet is fucking wild. Uh it usually comes with like a beads of rice, I think. Oh no, you can get it on that brace. Oh yeah, look at that. Mm mm. Uh-huh. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. For that's two thousand eighty bucks. Volcane never has my attention.. No No. I don't know why. They're kind of weird, man. They're kind of weird. They never have my attention. What's next? Mm-hmm. I know. It's kind of weird, right? We've got a whole bunch of watches to talk about. None of them that really I want to talk about. Uh I want to talk about one. Braymont. Goes playful with the altitude MB Meteor Felix the Cat. And I like the MB Meteor as as a watch. I think it's a really cool platform. I think it's it's one of my favorite Braymonts. Uh I think it makes sense. Right? With their triptych. Yeah. I'm with you. The Felix the Cat is on there grabbing the six and running off with it. But he's running against he's running to the right, like away from the hands, and I feel like just flip him over and let the the let the hands be sweeping him away with the six. I don't I don't get it. I don't get it. Why? Look. Braymont does so many things that don't make sense, and this is just like another thing that I don't get. Get your catalog in order before you start being playful. Yeah, I was I was counseling one of my uh employees this week about about networking. And uh essentially I was trying to make the point that, you know, n networking isn't what we think it is, right? We when we think of networking, we have this this picture of networking, you know, as uh hi my name is, name tag at a at an i event with icebreakers and blah blah blah blah blah. But that's really not what networking is. At least successful networking. Successful networking is forming relationships and then and then engaging in those relationships in meaningful ways that may not be immediately apparent, right? Being creative with with engaging those relationships. And that's that's what networking is. And knowing a diverse group of people because that's what matters. It feels to me like that's what Bramot's doing here, right? Like there's a relationship and they're engaging in the relationship and I can feel that. Okay, Braymont. But this is a fucking dumb watch. It is so dumb. Like I it it doesn't it doesn't have like the heritage of Timex and Snoopy or even Omega and Snoopy if this had come out in nineteen ninety-two maybe rad. But who knows Felix the Cat anymore? Yes. And then I had to think about it. I was like, wait, what was Felix the Cat? I don't I still don't really know what Felix the Cat is. He was just a I don't I I know he was a black cat. That's racist. Is it? No, I don't think so. Oh. Uh yeah, fuck man. It doesn't make sense. It's just it's like another an another thing on the list of Braymont is making that just I don't it it they're all over the place. They're just throwing it all at the wall still. And I wanna see Braymont because Braymont does some really cool shit. I want to see him focus and stop doing silly things. Yeah, I I mean uh y you know because I love this platform. Y you know how like uh when you were in middle school and there was that kid that was just like had all the pimples and like his clothes never fit. And then like maybe you got to high school and he like just figured it out and like all of a sudden he was like handsome and had all the girls. I I I if you don't if you can't think of who that person was it, does it mean that it was you? No. Oh, oh it well no it I I can actually No, it wasn't. It wasn't you. Yeah. No, I know. No, I mean I think I think Braymont might be going through an awkward teenage phase. For 10 years? Well, yeah. No. No, that's not fair. I mean I think I think we're like three to five years. It it just doesn't seem like they're pulling themselves out. So we'll we'll we'll see. They're staring. I I I'm not a fan of Bramont right now. I'm not a fan. And I've never really been a fan of Braymont, but I'm like particularly not a fan of Braymont right now. So, but hopefully I can see I could I could see them getting to a place in relatively short order where they start releasing watches that someone might be interested in. I mean, this is a this is a cool platform. It's a big twin-sticked grade two type of laisie parade movement, like everything about this thing is cool. Yeah. It's a great platform. Leverage that. Not some not iconic cartoon. Okay. 55 minutes. This is my last watch for the night. Benris Sky Chief Chronograph. Glad we're talking about it, but I wanted to talk about it. Well, you I'll let you talk about it. You I'll talk about it. You go, and then I can you can talk about it. And then you, me, and then I'll you me. Venriss is a yeah, you know, obviously this is a historic brand that's been sort of revived and brought back to life. And you know, I think at times we've been high on Venrus, and at times we've thought, okay. Um, one thing I can say about Penris is what they provide is often at a price point where I'm like, I I have to sort of really think like,, is this worth it? And this watch is no different. It's still there for me. With that said, I think this is my favorite release that Benriss has had since they've come back. So Sky Chief Chronograph, which is a which is a recreation of one of their historic pilots' watches. Um Um, this is an early model, an early Benrist model that was popular with airline pilots, like uh commercial airline pilots in the middle parts of the 20th century. So uh 1940s watches, sky chief, dedicated pilots chronograph. Uh these were typically pretty compact cases, very thin bezels, all dial, equipped with uh like a Venus 172 or 178, and then later Valjou movements, uh, classic tri-compacts layout. Here, what we've got is a 36mm stainless steel chronograph that comes in at a remarkable 11-9 thick. I say remarkable because I think with this watch being as small as it is, for them to get it to 11.9 is exactly what they needed to do to make this really cool. For an autochronograph? Yeah. And this is really fucking cool. So Cosk certified even and and so 36 millimeters also, you might think, well, 36 millimeters is pretty small for a chronograph, but if it's all dial. Because it's because it's all dial, this thing works so freaking well. It's available in two dial colors. We've got what they're calling a stratus gray, which is a very, very dark charcoal gray and a cirrus white, which is like pretty silver. Silver. Pretty silver. Uh, both of them are glossy, lacquered sunburst styles. Uh with really beautiful complementary sub-dials and this old like 1940s Sky Chief logo that looks like it's a hand script. Yep. Golly man. This thing is so fucking cool. The coolest part is that they they kept the four eight twelve markers on your minute subdial for sextant navigation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's bizarre and really neat. I don't know how to do that. Nope. Um but I like that it's there. Yeah. I like that they they they weren't they took all the inspiration and the things that they could pull forward into application and and do 'em thoughtfully and they did that. Yeah. And thirty-six for a chronic like this that's just all dial is perfect. I I do think that I would have liked to have seen a different color uh numeral on the silver. Not because of legibility, but just because it it it all kind of gets mud muddled muddled up together versus on that gray that that tan yellow marker color really stands out and just looks so good. Yeah. So sapphire sandwich here, um, Eta 2894 movement, which is based on a Cosk certified 2892, uh, 288 vibrations for 100 meters of water resistance. 100 meters of water resistance. Now we get to the part where I'm like, oh, I gotta think about it. We're looking at four grand. Yeah. On this. Uh, and and again, that's always been my reaction to Venriss Watches when they release on I'm always like, uh, is it worth four grand? Um and I and you know I have a hard time looking at this watch and saying this is not worth four thousand dollars. I think do you like it four thousand dollars worth is the question. I think that's the question. Because it is absolutely a four thousand dollar watch. Absolutely.. An 11 Great pushers on this, by the way. Yes. A sub-12 automatic chronograph, 100 meters of water resistance, a good movement in it. Yeah. No, a great movement. This is a f this is a fo,ur thousand dollar watch but do you like it four thousand dollars worth? Of course. And I think that's the I think that's the hard I I think I like other watches four thousand dollars worth. I think this is maybe not what I like four thousand dollars watching. You know, I I I don't I don't I I'm not willing to say that. I I I'm actually pretty I love this watch. I I'm pretty high on it. Yeah. It it's a really cool size. I I I hope that this is a successful watch because I think I I like the 417 more. Yeah. Yeah. But I really like this watch and it was also on my list. It's cool. And it's weird. In a good way. But it makes sense. It's got boat planes, not not the float planes, but the actual boat planes on the I love that logo. I love that Sky Chief logo underneath that old blocky Benress. Yeah, it's like a hand script. Yeah yeah,. I I'm a fan of this thing, man. Really, really fucking cool. Well done, Benris. Excellent work. Excellent. What are we at? You know, we are at just over an hour, Andrew. I'm not super interested in any of the other things that they're doing. Let me go s let me go through your list here because let me go through your list. You know, I'm with you. I think we can pass on these. Yeah. Not because they're not important. They just they didn't make the cut today. You know, we both had a Le Bois adventuring sector chronograph on our list. We'll just give it a mention. Le Bois? Le Bois? Le Bois? The Boys. Le Bo the boys released a an adventurine sector chronograph that is pretty cool. It is cool. But I'm not gonna link to it because I closed the link. Um and yeah, I think that's good enough. Andrew, other things. What do you got? I have a cool other thing. Uh so I needed to cold smoke. Oh, yeah, you did. Um a couple weeks ago. And I've tried cold smoking on my uh Master Built Gravity with with poor results. Uh, because it's it I can't get below 100 and uh say like a hundred and fifty. Okay. And you're not cold smoking at that temperature. You're actually cooking. So I got a smoke tube to throw into my grill. And a smoke tube is all these words are so funny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just saying all sorts of funny words. Words. Um for those of you unfamiliar, a smoke tube is a metal tube that you fill with pellets and ignite on one end, uh, and then it just smolders and billows smoke into whatever closed apparatus you have on it. Uh you have enjoyed the fruits of that cold smoking. Um, it wasn't fruits, it was it was meats, uh, not bologna. Um this is I cannot believe it took me so long to get one of these. I'm not just gonna use it for cold smoking. I'm gonna use it when I use my smoker and I want to add like a a really, really heavy smoke for the first four or two, four hours of my smoke, it ignited super easy. It it is exactly as easy as as it looks like it's gonna be. You fill it with pellets, you ignite it and then it just smolders for I got four hours out of out of one tube so this is I got it's the uh amazin a hyphen maze hyphen n of course. Because that's how things work. A 12-inch smoker. It's probably oh an inch and a half, two inch diameter. I'm sure the specs are on here. Um had it for 20 bucks. It was it I don't I cannot believe I went so long without having one of these just to add extra smoke or to cold smoke things. I feel like an idiot and it just sits on my rack when I'm not using it. This is terrific. If you have any interest in slow cooking and smoke cooking of things, this needs to be added to your uh your inventory of of tools. I like it. I might even throw it on like my blackstone if I'm cooking things. It'll it'll just smoke it up. It just smolders. Yeah, it it billowed smoke for four hours. Cool. And it just slowly smoldered off everything. Yeah. Highly recommend. It it changed the game. And the smoke that got into that mortadella was phenomenal. It was great. That was great. Is that mortadella still good? I've got a couple slices of that. Probably it's cured. It's cured. I might I'm I I've got a couple slices. I've got probably like a quarter pound left of that left. And I I pulled it was in the fridge today and I thought, you know I don't know. I'm I'll I'll smell it. If it passes the smell test, I think I'm gonna go for it. I would touch it. If it okay. If it passes the touch test. If it's not slimy. If it if it has like any ex because it has been cured. Andrew, what do you use to brush your teeth? A toothbrush. Sure. Me too. But what specifically? I don't know. Fair enough. Okay. That's where I was by two packs of three months ago. Correct. Okay. That's where I was three months ago. Uh about the so the last time I went to the dentist, which was a little over six months ago, my hygienist said, Hey, you know, um you're getting a lot of buildup on the inside of your lower teeth just from your saliva glands. Right. And so every time you come in, we have to spend time there. That's your job. Stop complaining. And you know, it I'm worried you're going to get some cavities here because it's it's kind of a lot. And it's really not anything you're doing wrong. You're flossing and you're brushing and you know, you're doing the right things, but just because of the the biology here, you're you're you're you know gonna run into some problems. Everybody here uses the Philips Sonicare Diamond Elite toothbrushes. And that's not what you win with, is it? And you um might want to try it. They're not cheap. We don't sell them, and I'm not telling you that because we make any money. You'd gotta go to Costco or something to buy one, but you should try it. All the people that here incl,uding Dr. Jones, blah blah blah, uses this. Dr. Jones. Indiana? Yeah. Ken. Dope. Uses this. So uh uh you know at the time, yeah, you know, they're fucking expensive. I go look at these things and I'm like, good lord, these are a lot of money. And uh I talked to Kim and Kim's like, yeah, you know, let's do a two-pack, we'll do it, we'll make it our Christmas presents to each other. We'll get and so we did this. That's the shittiest Christmas present I've ever heard of. I mean, it wasn't it, but anyway. So I go back to the dentist. Last week. No, this week. The Flexcare Platinum? Uh Philips Sonicare Diamond Clean Smart. I think 9700. I'll send you a link. Yeah, I need that. That's a that's a long name. That's like a it's like a citizen reference number. I'm a convert, Andrew. I have now used this thing for since well since like late November because we we got these things and we're like we'll we'll just open these things up. I went to the dentist this week, Monday, and I had less buildup than I've ever had in my entire life. And I'll just tell you: I am a brusher and a flosser. Every day I brush and floss in the shower, and then every night I brush my teeth. And I've been that way for quite a while. And this was the cleanest my mouth has ever been. Huh. After like three months of using. So some of you at home are gonna be like, yeah, duh, because this is not uh uh I'm this isn't this isn't revolutionary, yeah. But I would just say if you have uh and I don't know that you need to get the super expensive ones. I did that because my hygienist recommended it, and I said, I'll just do this one because this is a recommendation. Buy once, cry once, yeah, all that stuff. Um, maybe you could do the same thing with a less expensive model, but I will never, ever, ever go back to regular brushing. So it uh it's fun too. It's fun too. So my toothbrush. Does it play music? It doesn't play music, but what it does is it does two minutes in twenty second intro increments? Oh, to get your quadrants or your sections That's right. Sectors. That's right. So I spend twenty seconds on each third of each half of my mouth. And it's just it's just terrific. I I've been sort of I've sort of rejected it. I sort of rejected this for a long time thinking I'm just going to use Yeah, but there's a reason dentists recommend it, and there's a reason that there's it's like it's fucking crazy, dude it''ss it always like so good yeah I always think about it but then I just buy another two pack of toothbrushes um when I took my ten year old to the dentist it's probably been three months, but it does it doesn't matter when. Uh, they have this um reactive spray shirt for kids that they spray on the fronts of their teeth so they can see all the plaque that they're misting to like highlight. So it immediately turns like fluorescent pink, and she's like, Look, this is what you're missing. So here are some tool, like here's some methods to do better. Because uh it looked very funny. Because you know, where where people miss, like in the corners and like where their teeth interact and meet and just you know, where kids don't brush because they're in a hurry to do something else. Sure. Um it was an eye opening experience for him. He like got out of that chair and was like all like disappointed. He's like, I am not doing a good enough job. Andrew, I think that's all we have for tonight. That is oral hygiene. Do you want to add anything before we kick on? No. Hey, folks, uh once again, thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20 The WatchClicker Podcast. Look, uh, you if you want to, you can go to our website, it's watchclicker.com. That's where we post our articles and reviews sometimes. 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