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Piaget, Hanhart, and Citizen (379)

Published on Mon, 02 Feb 2026 22:25:30 -0800

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In this episode of Forty and Twenty, the hosts discuss their recent lives, including Andrew's experience with daylight shift work and Everett's newfound love for early morning routines. The conversation quickly turns to an enthusiastic discussion of recent watch releases, with both hosts expressing renewed excitement about the industry. They cover a wide range of releases including the Piaget Polo 79 in two-tone, Oaken Oscar's EXP02 showcasing in-house dial-making capabilities, and the Sarrow dress watch from the Netherlands. Other notable watches discussed include Christopher Ward's C60 Clipper GMT Pan Am collaboration, Hanhart's white dial 417 ES "Moby Dick," Heron's updated Marinor dive watch with case hardening, and IFL's Super Sevilla Number Four featuring Monopoly-themed artwork. The hosts also highlight Maine Hudson's 38 MK5, Citizen's affordable Pro Master Land GMT, and close with particular enthusiasm for Astro and Banks' new Terra Scout field watch designed by their friend Andrew Perez. Throughout the episode, they emphasize how the current releases demonstrate the golden age of small and independent watch brands, with even larger manufacturers taking notice and innovation becoming more accessible across price points.

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Unknown Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to Forty and Twenty, the WatchClicker Podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Efred. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? I'm all right. I'm alright. Um Yep, I don't have anything to say about that. Well, yeah. Work's busy, you're tired, weather's been beautiful, uncharacteristically so. Uh I miss anything? I don't think I did. How are you doing, Andrew? Uh I'm okay. I I'm like I don't know if I'm at the beginning or at the tail end of a little bit of a cold. Oh, big shock. Yeah. I I have little kids and they just are disease factories. Um yeah, so if it has like kind of like a sore throat and just kind of like body aches, and I can't tell if it's getting better or worse. But other than that, I'm okay. All right. Well, good enough. So you you are um headed back to work in a few weeks. You've been we've been working, but you've been sort of on light duty. You're headed back to work. You've Yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to having like a normal routine. That'll be a nice return to normalcy. And it'll be during daylight hours, which is magical. Yeah, so you're going on to a daytime shift, is that right? For the most part day shift, yeah. Yeah, nice. Nice. I think um you know over the years you've talked about oh I kinda like the evening shift and I had a feeling at some point. Yeah, seven years is uh is sufficient. I had a feeling at some point you'd be like, okay, I'm ready to Yeah, I'm on four-ish months of living like sleeping at night and like my sleep is starting to return to a healthy routine where I don't like physically wake up at 10 PM every night like woo-hoo! Let's go yeah reestablishing cicadian rhythms yeah which is uh really nice yeah I forgot what it was like yeah no it is you know I'm uh I'm turning into that that person that I was like always awestruck by as a young child who like wakes up at 630 and is just like up. You know, I always remember like as a you know, a 19-year-old maybe or a 20-year-old, you know, thinking, I just cannot imagine a world in which I wake up at 6 30 and I think I should I guess I'm up. But now I'm that guy. I guess I'm up. I'm gonna go make a pot of cotton. I'm I'm up well before that. And I've I have found that I am just not a morning person when left to my own uh like own rhythm. I'm like a sleep from midnight two a.m to like eight or nine a.m kind of person. And then I'm good. I'm not an early mornings type. And I always thought that I was because I was in the army for so long and I was like, oh no, this is normal. You everyone gets up at 4:30 in the morning and starts driving into work. And this is just what I do. I'm a morning person. Turns out that's not the case. You like to sleep in a little bit. I don't like to be up that early. Yeah, you know, I think um there's a s there's a bit of magic that I've found in getting up at 6 30, making a pot of coffee and reading, you know, a hundred pages of a book. Well, because you don't see your kids for six more hours. Yeah, that's that's right. I mean, you know, my kids are up anywhere between nine thirty to well shit noon at this point because they're you know teenagers but yeah there's something about that specifically that period of time that period of time from like six thirty to maybe eight thirty.' Its just like that is this is my time. Kim's not awake, kids aren't awake. Sometimes Larry will come out and just chill. He'll just like sleep on the couch next to me. But I'll just drink half a pot of coffee, read my book. And that is like one of my most delightful And I I get that experience like after 10 PM. Yeah, that sure. And and I've oftentimes enjoyed that period of time as well. But something about the morning's a little bit No, because it's like it's such a good way to start your day. Yeah, it's a little bit different. Yeah. Something about that morning. I've really taken delight in finding that period of time for myself. So because the day is just filled with hope and opportunity. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know about all that. But it is a nice, it is a nice time of day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Andrew, uh, we are in any event not here to talk about our uh middle-aged cicadian rhythms. Rather, we're here to talk about watches, which are not wholly unrelated. Yeah, we weren't that far off topic. But mostly unrelated. And uh yeah, yeah, you know what, we don't always do this, but can we just briefly can we just briefly talk about like holistically your experience in reading about the watch releases this week? Hmm. Maybe not anything notable. I didn't mean to put you on the spot. I I was like filled with excitement. I felt like every other release that I saw felt like a reminder that we're in the golden age of small and independent brands, and even big brands are taking notice of that and doing some of the same cool shit. Yeah. Okay. What were your thoughts? Obviously. Yeah, no, I it was more I was more I was more wondering if you'd had any of the same feelings, but you w first I I wanna sort of acknowledge something. I feel like I've been on a bit of a rut where I've been kind of negative about watches. And I don't think I'm wholly through that at this point. I don't think I'm I'm completely I I don't think I've abandoned that uh that general negativity. Uh with that said with that said I did feel a thing this week that I think I haven't felt in at least a few months, which is to say, like, okay, there's there's more to do here. There's more to do here. And I don't mean you and me. Obviously, I think we could keep doing this almost indefin.itely But but rather like with watches, I had like almost some excitement this week. Not necessarily about any of the specific watches, but about the way the companies we're gonna talk about or the businesses we're gonna talk about sort of are approaching watches. Even a watch that I I ultimately pulled from my list and that you brought back on your list. I I had a watch on my list. We'll talk about it when we get there, but it was a watch that I had on my list, and I was like, No, Everett, you're not gonna talk about that watch because just no, and then you brought it back, and even as I read about that watch, I was like, You're trying to figure out what it is. Even as I read about that watch, I was like, you know what? I fuck loveing. watches I think that's kinda where what I felt this week. It like there's nothing here. I was going through my list. it. Um yeah, it anyway. It is not that not really even anything specific. It was just like, yep. I love watches. I really, really like watches. So um w with that, with that, I know it's a little bit of a change from our normal pace, but do you want to get us started to I think I will get us started, and this is not the watch that I I think that you uh that I that I uh resurrected into the list. Okay. Because we had a lot of overlap. We did. There were a couple things on your list that weren't on mine. I know when I only get like three links from you. I was like, oh, we have I've already cold. Right. Piaget at it again with the polo 79 and this time it's in two-tone. This is that watch. It's the one. Oh, okay. I thought it was gonna be another one. Uh and I we we talked about the original release because it was fantastic. I don't know if we talked about the white gold because it's just a a new color. This is this is a new color and is just Fantastic. This screams all of the things the Piaget Polo seventy-nine is supposed to be. Sleek and boisterous and gorgeous. So what we have is white gold uh fat links, like fat bands, with yellow-gold skinny bands horizontally across a 79. Once I've described it like that, you can imagine it's primarily white gold with yellow gold accents. And I am in love. I wish I had the kind of money to buy that. Because the yellow gold, cool. The white gold., cool This is two-tone magic. And there's only a few two-tone watches in the world that I've been like, yep, yep, I get down with that. This is among them. Um, and here's the good news. This is almost in the realm of affordable. This is only 96,000 pounds, including the 21% VAT. So if you take like this is this is like about sixty thousand pounds if you're not having to pay VAT. Um a little more than that like seventy thousand pounds. So you know maybe you could make it happen. Uh I love this. You know, this is just peak peak sort of 80s having been renewed for a new generation. Um you I do you remember so I I don't think this song was a big deal. I don't think this song was a big deal. I don't think it made it across many people's playlists. But in twenty fifte15 a duo uh a duo called West Walker and Dill D Y L not that's Dill not uh not not a uh household name, uh, made a rap song called Jordan Belfort uh with obvious subject matter. It is it should be terrible, but it's actually really fucking good. And this watch reminds me. I was like reading about this watch, and that song was playing in my back of my head, back of my head. I think these are just like two kids, two probably wealthy kids with way too much money that watched Wolf of Wall Street. They were like, let's make a song about this. Anyway, it's a terrific song. And as I read about this watch, I will that's the theme song. Oh, yeah. This is like that played in my head. I I see this watch. You have chubbies, boat shoes. This watch is obviously gonna be oversized and j jangling off your wrist a little bit. Yeah, and you have to have a polo with a pattern reminiscent of like a waxed paper cup. Two polos. Ideally, yeah. You go yeah stacked. Yeah. Stacked polos. Uh yeah. No, I think it's great. And and this was the one, like I said, I had this on my list, and then I was like, I'm gonna take this off my list. I don't need to talk about an eighty thousand dollar watch. It's not an eighty thousand dollar watch. Yeah. Uh but I'm glad you talked about it because it is r it is really delightful. I can we just talk I I know it it can we just talk about the watch a little bit? Uh I suppose. 'Cause we didn't really. Okay We've talked about it though, at least once, maybe twice. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. But can but can we? Thirty-eight millimeters by seven and a half thick, seven point four five thick. Yeah. Even even in all gold. It's 200 grams. And the movement on this thing is fucking nuts. Yes. This is an automatic micro rotor. What what Piaget calls the 1200 P1, it is a two point three five millimeter movement that is absolutely outrageous. Uh this watch, pretty blocky construction with that said, the bevels on it are some of the this is one of the most delightfully constructed watches that exists on earth. Uh and I don't that that is literal and not hyperbolic in the least. Um man. The the this is just actually one of the most delightful watches on earth. I can't afford it. I do wish there was a world that I could. I need to work really hard. But holy god. One of the details on this that I really love that would have been just easy to not do the pins in this bracelet are yellow gold instead of color matched white gold. Because typically on a bracelet, you're gonna see color matching, but nope. We're gonna make this full two-tone. Right. Gold the the same color shan't touch itself. And they made it so. Andrew, do you know what a Gadroon? Uh I think it's one of these uh horizontal gold bars that lays between the yeah or the white gold. I I don't know what a good room is. I I love the word though. So from Oxford a decorative edging on metal or wood typically formed by inverted flut.ings Um I don't know. That's what they called, that's what they call the texture here. And of course these gadroons go all the way through the watch. They don't, it's not just bracelet, they go through the mid-case, but also through the die. Yeah. If you don't know this watch, y you oughta know this watch. It's just one of my favorite watches on earth. It's yeah. I would love to I would love to be in a world where I saw something like this and I thought right because I think there are some people that they see this and they're like gross. I I think I think this is the type of watch that a not watch person or maybe even like an early life watch person would look at and be like not weird. Yeah.. It's ugly It's like the uh the ecozilla, like the orange ecozilla. Sure. You know, five years into this journey, you're like, man, it turns out I think I really do like that thing. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Uh 'cause this is just cool. It has it's not just a jewelry watch, right? Though it very much is a piece of high fashion jewelry, it's also a really cool vintage inspired design and the movement in it is next level. Uh I think this is a this is a a little bit more of a mature uh watch person's watch or just somebody who wants some bling. Yeah. I I have heard a little bit of grumbling about the price on this. Um it's two hundred grams of gold. Yeah, but even then, even then it it's it's a lot of money, right? You're essentially I mean, if it's just gold we're talking about, you're probably talking about twenty five thousand ish retail value for like a very, very simple, not complicated watch. So that means probably like 25 or 30. So that means that this is like a $50,000 watch in steel, which I just don' dont't I think it is. Right? Are you tracking me? I'm with you. Yeah. So um meh. But I think if you look at 3x, if you're just looking at raw material, let's not think about any of the RD, just raw. material Yeah, but I th I mean I mean I what's 200 grams of gold? I mean it's no gold. Ooh, is it twenty thousand dollars an ounce right now? Oh I don't know. Before it's getting worked. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think it's that much. And ever actually everything just the bottom just fell out of everything. Gold price today. That's only um well that's gold futures. Uh $5,000 an ounce right now. I thought it was way higher than that. Yeah, you said that and I was like, I don't that's crazy. I thought it was way higher than that. Yeah, 200 grams of twenty fo carurat gold today would be thirty thousand dollars based on a spot price. Okay. This is of course not twenty four carat, but still we're probably talking about twenty okay, so maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong. I mean these are what uh 18 karat white and yellow. So 18 karat, 200 well, let's assume probably 170 grams of of just raw material gold that has not been worked. Never mind the R and D into this movement. Never mind the the the making, like the the actual manufacturing and assembly of the movement. I still think we're a little high. I I mean you're not wrong. Yeah. But I I also think that for something like this, you we're we're in the zone. Yeah, I'm I'm thinking I I think fifty five sixty I'd be I I wouldn't have anything to grow. And if you reduce this price of ninety-six by twenty percent. Yeah, no, I'm calling this an eighty thousand dollar watch. I know you said it's not, but getting rid of that is an eighty thousand dollar watch. No, it's like 70 something. So anyway, uh I just love that watch. It's looks so cool. Because it looks so stupid, but it's also amazing. Yeah. I I don't think it looks stupid. It does, but it's such a good way. Um so Okinauscar. Okus Oaken Oscar. Uh I think this is cool. And so I'm just gonna try to I'm just gonna try to talk about what's cool about this because rally this isn't anything I mean just on paper, it's kind of hard, I think, to understand exactly what's going on here. But Oak and Oscar introduced a humble what they're calling the EXP0 two. Which is uh just to be clear, this is a twenty piece limited edition, ten piece dedicated for existing cover customers on lottery, ten pieces to the public on lottery. I think that's cool. That is cool. I like that uh execution of a super limited run. And the point of this watch is to show off Oak and Oscar's in-house dial making capabilities. Which is cool. With that said, this you couldn't make more than 20. This is a Humboldt. This is a Humboldt. And it looks very much like a Humboldt. But what they've done here, what they've done here is in house Oak and Oscar has worked on developing its dial making capabilities. And so this is sort of meant to be an ultimate exploration of what Okinawa, I shouldn't say I shouldn't say any of that. I'm this th I I'm sort of speaking for them. But I think what this is is meant to be a really a showcase of what Oak and Oscar can do with a dial given a challenge. Uh, and so what they've done here is they've made both a re hot and a dial with lasers, that's fun to say. Lasers. Both cut from aluminum. Uh with the chapter ring being then riveted and bonded to the dial plate and then a matte finish applied using a 50 micron silicon carbide blasting media. Okay. What does all that mean? I don't really know. But what I know is it sounds challenging and I think it sounds like a lot of investment that Oak and Oscar has made to be able to do this. I think there remains a question. Okay, so so let's just talk about the watch. Because it's a Humboldt. Okay. It's a Humboldt. It's an automatic Humboldt. If you've seen an Okanovskar Humboldt, you're gonna look at this and say, Yep, that's a Humboldt. It's which is to say it's a sandwich dial. Um, we've got tolerances of just they claim 0.01 millimeter, which is really incredible. Um and it's cool and it's it's cool a reasonable price. Thirty-nine and a hal5f milmmlimeters., uh Salita SW300, which is a great choice, 200 meters of water resistance. Um, and it's 2550, right? $2,550 if you can get in the lottery. Uh, colors are great, which is to say it's sort of a silver with black on the underside of the sandwich and an orange seconds hand. Um, and there's only 20 of them, okay? So I'm not gonna grump like who's this for? Well, it's for the fucking twenty lucky ass people who get one. The ten people who already bought and the ten people who are about to. We salute you. This was the watch that I saw this week that I was like, Wha what? What are we doing? This is the watch that challenged me this week where I was like, I I'm not sure. Like this is just like like wearing a hair suit a a a little bit. But then also I'm like, no what, every you need to relax because it's fucking watches. You know, I used to uh I used to work with a bar manager and anytime when someone would start losing their shit at work, whether it's a bartender or a cocktail or he would say, Hey, you know what we do? We sell pizza and beer. And that was just intended to be like, just shut up the fuck. You're not having a bad day. We sell pizza in here. Uh and and so right, we talk about watches. And and this is a watch. And I think it's it's a watch that's kind of in our space. What are your thoughts about this, Andrew? I I like it. I I like to see brands who I don't think Oak and Oscar, I don't I don't think stale is the right word for them, but just like very much in a routine. They had their kind of left and right limits established and they worked within them and they did a good job working within those parameters that they kind of arbitrarily apply to themselves. And I like seeing brands step out of that comfort zone and continue to push the envelope forward. Uh, I don't know what the uh capability of being able to produce their own dials will in the long run do and who the fuck cares they can do it right thing remember remember going to veros how exciting that was works workspace it's exactly what popped into my head. And and they just are running a CNC machine. They're like, oh yeah, we got you know a prototype. We just kind of we drew it up and we're gonna see how it feels. Like here's a couple of the ones that we've done up before, and you know, we decided to tweak this a little bit and tweak these this little bit, and seeing that kind of unbridled creativity was so exciting. You know, I I didn't realize at that time, Andrew, I didn't realize at that time how rare that was on watches. You know, I I think I it it's probably too bold to say they were the only ones in the country that were doing that at the time. But there weren't very many. There weren't, and it's it's proven itself an untenable business model. It was really, really cool to be in that space and to be like seeing the products come out of these CNC machines and like this is a watch that we just are fucking around with. And to, you know s see you know these watches yeah so just the the Tuesday experiment that's right that's right so i i and and of course this isn't exactly the same thing but it feels similar, right? It feels like they're doing a thing. It has that spirit of imagination and exploration attached to it. And I think th I hope it lends itself to more of these 20, 30, 50 piece releases where we're like, hey, we tried this new thing with a bezel or with a with a dial. You know, give it up for Oak and Oscar to be really, I mean, they're one of the OGs in the space, right? In the in the enthusiast microbrand space. They've been around for a decade now. Yeah. Which is to say what 2016? Uh like on the cutting the the bleeding edge of this proliferation of independent watchmakers. Right. On on the heels of people who've been doing it for much longer and paved the way. But they took they're they're one of those brands that grabbed the baton and really carried it forward. There's only a few brands that r really beat them to market. And it's like, you know, uh obviously we we talk about these brands frequently, but they're they're uh they're old guard. I'm I'm with you though. I don't know, I don't want to put words in your mouth. It's the spirit of innovation. I uh and from Oak and Oscar, I think is maybe the most exciting because if you were to give me 10 brands and say who is gonna do something wildly innovative and kind of frivolous, it would not be Oak and Oscar as my pick. I think that's the the fairest criticism of this project is that it is the opposite of frivolous. It it's like, hey, why don't you showcase your dial making capabilities by making the same exact watch that you've been making for 10 years and go? Yeah, but it's it but it is a little frivolous. It's like who cares if they're making dials but i'm so happy that they are sure because it's so cool sh but sure like is it objectively better than the dials they've been having manufactured for them no is it objectively cooler in every imaginable way, yes. Don't you wish you could have like like go back 18 months and grab Chase Fancher by his fucking tight collar and shake him a little bit and say, hey, make something interesting. And then they did. Like just, no, no, he didn't. He made a fucking humble. I'm sorry. If you if you listen, I know you don't. But it's it's but if you listen to just listen to me this once do something different you you're doing it you're doing something cool don't just make the same fucking watch you've been Okay I'm done maybe this is the teaser, right? I think designing a whole new platform around this emerging technology within their within their business practice or business processes w w is a little foolish perhaps. Cause then they're then they're hitching their this dial making capability to a wagon that they don't know runs. But if they t attach it to a watch that's 10 years old and kind of celebrating a tenth anniversary with a special edition, appreciating old customers and and I actually don't know how old that Humboldt is by the way. I'm sure that's that's take a fucking risk. Take a risk. I mean I'm they did they bought a ton of machining equipment. No. Maybe. There's very little risk here. They're like, I know we can sell twenty. Yeah, yeah. Also I do. And also people like the humble. I do think they could have probably made more than 20. Uh I I'm excited about it. The spirit of innovation is I am here for it. Maybe, maybe you're right, Andrew. Maybe just next week they're gonna announce that's next? Ten more. I'll be more positive. Starting right now. Uh so this is the watch that I thought went on and off your list. Sarrow watch company. It's never on my list. I read about it and I was like, next. Uh a dress watch from a company in the Netherlands. And and I I looked at this and I kind of started scrolling because I like didn't really dig the first image. It kinda looked like a a way too Fotina dress watch. I was like, eh, whatever. And I kept scrolling. And then I saw the white version and it had my attention. So this is a 37 and 1 half millimeter case, 8.7 millimeter thickness with another point eight millimeters of crystal height, so nine point five total with crystal. I don't I hate it when companies market they're like just say it's a nine and a half millimeter one. Yeah, but but but we we don don''tt do wrist to crystal measurements like we should. Cause the wrist to crystal matters. Maybe, maybe perhaps nine and a half is a great number. Nine and a half is a great number. 100 meters of water resistant. This is using an SW2101B Labyrate grade, so it's a hand cranking movement. Good price on it. So what we have here is a very vintage inspired true three-hand dress watch with really lovely dial patterning. Um there's the Vertical, just gentle texturing on all of these dial colors. We have four dial colors. Uh they're all electroplated, vertical brushed effect, a silver, gold, blue, or red. Uh the gold is not. The gold looks like uh photined, like tan. The red is this really lovely, like raspberry sorbet, closer to pink color. Lovely blued hands on these. I'm confident that you don't like the font, but I love the fonts.. Wait, wait, wait Which font do you think I don't like? On the markers, the numerals. They're bregade. No, fuck. I love these. These are engraved, engraved, gunmetal finished, electroplated gunmetal finished engraved bregae markers? Fucking sign me up. No, I stop. All about it. Uh I I dig these and um under a thousand uh no first hundred and fifty no eight hundred and ninety euros presale for a thousand euros retail price at eleven hundred and ninety-nine euros and if you want the set thirty five hundred and ninety-six euros. I don't know why you'd want the set. I can do without the gold. I can do without the red. The blue is really lovely, but the white just pops with that gunmetal engraved marker. It just blows up. I love this. Could I could do with a different strap, but that's an easy change. Yeah. I don't know why this went on why why this was just an instant pass for me. It was an instant pass for me. Um, but I I think it's the dial, honestly. I think it's like the dial texture is very flat, which is which is how it's supposed to be. But the case on this is beautiful. Um sort of a three-piece case that is really well constructed, uh at least at least on paper. Um straight link, five-link bracelet available on it. Yeah, bead beads of rice. Oh yeah, beads of rice. Straight link beads of rice. Beads beads of rice bracelet. Also, it comes with an like potentially an ostrich leg strap if you're into and an ostrich leg. If you're into that sort of thing. Um 100 meters of water. No, I I have a really hard time criticizing this watch. Uh with that said, I guess find it a little boring. It is. It's super it's a dress watch. They don't have to they don't have to be boring, but they frequently are uh dimensionally good. Out of the Netherlands. I don't know if we said that. We did. Okay. Yeah. I like this. I do wish that they didn't have the model name signature signed at six o'clock. I'm not sure why they have that, why they need that I could do without that. I'm fine with the twelve o'clock text. It feels very sort of nineteen fifties, which is a which is where the inspiration for a watch like this comes from. I I think I would have liked to have seen Sarah watch company at the 12 o'clock and instead of signature at the six, like Netherlands. Sure. Or just open at six. Maybe maybe they thought, maybe they thought because of the nature of the dial is just too much open space. But um I'm I because it's all dial. I'm okay with the handset, yeah it's a lot, a lot, a lot dial. That's never happened before. What what was that? Getting invited to work. Oh. I don't know why I'm getting invited to work. Oh, there we go. So we are in, as you guys know, perhaps, as you know, we are in Eugene, Oregon, which has been the site of the latest riots. Uh the latest sort of DHS-related ICE riots. I say that with my tongue firmly planted in the side of my cheek because it's been they've been in the in the grand scheme of riots. Moving on. Uh Everett, what have you got next? They've been pretty tame. I'll just I'll say that. Is that is that fair? We I we are moving right on along with your next pick, which happens to be you don't get a you don't get to call my next pick for me. Uh no, I was cu I was teeing you up. Oh well there's a lot a lot of choices. I'm gonna take I'm gonna take my time while we talk about our our riots. I'm gonna pee on the floor. That's your floor. Go ahead Let's talk about the Christopher Ward. That's what I was gonna suggest. C60 Clipper GMT. Uh Pan Am. Christopher Ward. The British company Christopher Ward, doing a Pan Am collaboration GMT watch, which perhaps not the most original idea and if if that's all you know about it you might you might have you might have even sort of slightly negative thoughts. And those negative thoughts would be wrong. Because this watch is terrific. So uh famously, Pan Am had the first transatlantic flight. The first of those happening on what was it? February 26th, 1950, oh excuse me, October twenty-sixth, nineteen fifty-eight, uh, with a Boeing 707 Clipper America flying from JFK to Paris Idlewild. Oh, Idle Wild JFK formerly known FKA Idlewild Airport because it's 1958. They weren't naming things after him yet. From JFK to Paris. And this watch is a celebration of that achievement. It is uh it is a flyer GMT watch that comes in famous pan and colors. We've got a bit of an ivory dial. We do have some Fotina, which I I think is okay in this in this variation. Um with a with a 42 millimeter light catcher case. So 12.45 millimeters, almost 50 lug-to-lu, 300 meter depth. This is a big, tough, serious, burly butch watch. On the die, or on the bezel of this, um, we have a 24 24 time zone lay layout giving a a bit of a nod to our history but also our GMT time function. So we've got sort of world time ish feel feel. But instead of traditional world timer layout, what we've got is 24, 24 airport codes that have been historically uh important to Pan Am. Um a couple of those uh a couple of those call reference Dallas, which is uh one of the earliest airports that Pan Am flew to both London and Frankfurt from. Also, Dallas, where Christopher Ward has its first US show. We've got a um we've got a LPB for La Paz Bolivia, which was one of Pan Am's main South America destinations. And then we've got a EYW, which is key, the Key West International Airport, which is red, representing the airport location of Panam's first ever flight in 1927. Which is cool. On your date window, which is a dial color match to the dial date window, 26 is in blue because that is the day. The October 26th. The day of the fateful flight. The day of the fateful flight. Uh, we've got a 707 as the balance on the second hand. Uh just like Easter egg after Easter egg on this thing. Really lovely. Very much Christopher Ward, but also very much Pan Am. The back of the the case back here is engraved with a terrific, what do they call it? Blue Meatball Pan Am logo. Yeah, the the globe. Um Do you talk about the little airplane? Yeah. On the g the balance is a is a 707, yeah. And the real joy of reading this article for me was not the I mean, not just the watch. There was a misprint on the bezel. Oh yeah. For Xerik. Yeah. Uh that will be corrected in production models. But it is instead of Z R H for Xeric, uh it says Z H R. Yeah. Uh which is just a fun misprint. And I really hope the person who gets to own this this model. That's the like the the favorite part. These come on a beter three link, but it also comes with a sort of navy pass-through textile strap. And they're beautiful. I think US dollars, these are $19.95 for the retail price. Um, which ouch. There's only 707 of them though. And they're making 707, which is again an homage to the Boeing 707 that first made that transit landing flight. I really like this watch. I really like it. It's big. It's a big beefy watch, as I said, in with multiple adjectives earlier, but I really think it's terrific. Yeah. Three thirty yes uh dash two movement. This is this is delightful. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. Well done, Christopher Ward. And Pan Am. Does Pan Am still? I don't think so. Okay. What you got? Oh. Hanhart. I think one of, you know, we talked about this being one of my favorite watches from last year, the 417 ES has come in the in a new colorway the Moby Dick uh the old white whale old white whale uh so really the only difference here is that it's a white dial. But it's really lovely. So um the so-called Moby Dick is because most of these originals came with dark dials, and a few of them were produced for the civilian market uh with white dials. And so they were just a less common reference. So they were the white whale that people hunted for. Uh and now you can buy them brand new in box from Hanhart for um you know the same prices as usual. Uh on a bracelet, 2490 euros, including your VAT. Um so as a reminder, we have a 39mm by 13.6 uh with a big old bitch of uh of a crystal. So it's 1155 without the crystal, 46 lug to lug on it, 100 meters of water resistance, Slita SW510, hand wound chronograph. Uh just just terrific. Uh this white is really good, blued hands that really pop. Uh I don't I think it's just a slightly creamed color loom. I don't think this is Fotina. Yeah, no, it it's not fo I mean I I I'm with you. It is an ivory it is an ivory colored loom but it plays more it plays more sort of authentic than a than a typical Fotina. Certainly not Ken Leg tan. Yeah. Which Christopher Ward and the Pan Am kind of does use. And that's my one sort of irk about that watch. No, hand hardening really conservative with their super luminova, light old radium. Yep. Uh thermal blued hands. Yeah. This is a really good execution of the white whale. And anti-magnetic on these up to sixteen hundred AM. Um, this is I don't know if that's important. Like I don't know what kind of magnetism I experience on a day-to-day basis. Like how anti-magnetic does my watch need to be? Yeah, I I I mean I I don't think that you or I probably have a ton of need for that. With that said, it is a thing that people need. And and we're nerds, right? You also don't need 300 or 500 or 8 billion meters of water resistance, right? I like having it. Bingo. There's the one. Uh you know, this is as you said, this is very much just a 417 ES, but it is a probably my favorite execution of this. What I one of the things I like Hanhart has not until I believe until this watch ever used the Moby Dick designation. Although historically that was the collector's nickname for these white dial 417s because they were tricky to get. So Hanhart has just leaned into that nickname. They've just appropriated what what was gifted to them. So these are and and these are regulated in-house. Uh tolerances of zero to plus eight seconds per day, no negative deviation allowed in their main positions. I I love these chronographs. This is um these are on a short list of future acquisitions. And the size on these I I think really almost perfect. You know, l y y you did mention I just bitched about talking about both the with and without crystal, but it's important and watch like this because you've really got a big two millimeters of it. A big crystal. So this is a really well-sized watch. Um, even at 13-6, you know, you think, okay, well, that's pretty thick, but a huge portion of that. I mean, this is 11 and a half handwork chronograph until you get to that big bubble crystal. That's a meaningful and this is one of the few watches that I will say definitely get it on the bracelet, but I would I don't think I'd ever wear it on the bracelet. I would just bracelet. It looks so good on leather. You're not wrong. Yeah. And the and the leather, they do a good job with the leather strap they sell this on. But yeah, these are great. I love the fluting on the bezel. I love the blue hands. Yeah. Thermal blue hands, yeah. Great, really, really great release uh from Han Hart. Um, does that mean it's my turn? It is again your turn. I am gonna talk about the uh I'm saving that one. We're gonna get to that one. I'm gonna talk about Heron. Heron has released an update to its Marinor Dive Watch. Heron being the Canadian company who has I don't know I I think I've probably been guilty of like poo-pooing this watch as being a little boring. I think I overlook a lot of heron releases because they look kind of like an amalgam of a lot of other things that I like. Yeah. But I like their watches. I also really like that they found a way to incorporate a pack of new ports into their product photography. Yeah, they did. Like they did do. Fuck yeah, 2026 Uh as recently as 2023 Heron was crowdfunding watches. Um that's that's over. Though those times are over. Um added to this re-release of the Marinor is case hardening, 1200 HV scratch resistance. Uh what we you know the Marinor is a 39 by 46 millimeter, 250 meters of water resistance, 12.2 thick, which is a 0.7 reduction in previous. I think previously these were 13 or 12.9 thick. Uh we've got a box sapphire with a domed sapphire bezel insert. It adds a lot of texture and depth. Like it's like got topography. Yeah. That's top. of this watch And it's a very apparent. Crown guard on this guy. Maybe you like that. Maybe you don't. I think it works really well with the sort of angular case style that they've gone with here, a flat three row, a flat link three row bracelet, uh with an um adjustable sort of on the fly adjustability. Um, I think it's like a push and slide micro adjustment, 20 millimeters at the lugs, uh, and two new colors. So previously for this we had sort of a I think a really, really nice dark blue, sort of slight ombre finish dial, and then a black with gilt. We've added a lighter blue and a green. We've added a lighter blue and a green, uh with the green using the aforementioned uh Newports. They called that green not Newport, which I would have liked, but rather menthol, which I'm fine. I'm fine. I fucking love that. Thanks, Heron. Thanks, Heron. Great case back on these. Yeah, really cool. This is laser etched. It's gotta be. It is, but it looks like it's uh it looks like it's hand engraved. It does. So I uh growing up, my there's a there's a face, there's a profile of a face on that I want to tell like tell you about this so this is that very like 1930s 40s kind of slouch hat with a bill some would call it a maybe a bus driver hat. Sure. Uh with this bearded fella smoking a a pipe. Growing up, my grandparents had this portrait in their living room of my grandpa on like a little little skiff boat in this bay outside of where they lived in Alaska. And it was this it's no, it like this is my grandfather. That's awesome. That's that portrait that hung on their in their living room for my entire life. And it would like it was kind of painted in the in the feel of like a self-portrait, but clearly somebody else painted it. And it was like thinking back on it, it's the weirdest thing to have. I mean, it was that big. It was it was four feet wide and and two and a half feet, maybe three feet tall. Huge, beautiful landscape behind him, because it's do you knowuno Alaska. But just a weird like portrait of yourself to be so like proudly displayed in your home. I don't know, I can't imagine having just a big ass painted portrait of myself prominently displayed in my home. I think it's fantastic. It's weird thinking back on it. But I absolutely love that. I right as soon as I saw his case back, I was like, I've seen this before. Because he's got a pipe in his mouth and everything, like big bushy red beard, this bus driver hat. Uh yeah. 640 bucks for these. That's the real win here. So when I said it was kind of like an amalgam of other things that I like, um it's because it does. It has it does a lot of the same things that a lot of watches that we've talked about, not today, but uh we've talked about a lot. The colors feel kind of like baltic y the the the everything about it kind of feels familiar but they're doing their own thing and they're doing it at a really aggressive price point like this flat link bracelet with the domed sapphire bezel insert, the big ass box crystal, like this just everything about it works. And menthol as a colorway is baller. Yeahah, yeah, ye. No, I I'm I'm I'm with you. Um I I I sort of hesitate to say, oh, this reminds me of that, and this reminds me of that, because they've done a good job making their own watch. Uh with that said, I think our point is we've maybe sort of for whatever reason not latched onto this, but it's six hundred and forty bucks. It's hard not to. Yeah. Latch onto it. It la latch on. I I I you know I'm I'm maybe not a buyer for this, but that has to do more with where I am in my watch experience than it does anything to do with this watch. I think if you're buying a watch today if you're sort of building out a collection. Gosh, I'm really excited about this watch, I think. I'm excited about this kind of addition into that affordable space, right? We have a really well-specked, attractive, thoughtfully designed dive watch coming in at under a thousand dollars. And I'm not a buyer for this either, but it's because this there's a I already have things that this this creates a lot of overlap. That's right. I'd rather hold on to my six fifty and and apply it towards getting a Piaget seventy nine. Yeah. That's right. Uh yeah, I I think the point we're trying to make is just this is a great watch and it's probably on us that we've not that we've not really been on this before. And it's been around for a while. In fairness to us, they're 2023 was their first release, right? 2020. No, they're a 2021 company. The Marinord came out in 2023, which was a crowdfunded. So in fairness to us, the last time the Marinor was released, it was crowdfunded. And that's something that we've shied away from a little bit on this show. Not not completely. Sometimes Yeah. But it it s causes some skepticism. Look at the heron. That's the that's the point we should make. Look at the heron. This is a cool watch. If you're if you're in the market for a six hundred and fifty dollar dive watch, five hundred dollar dive watch, whatever it is is. This worth this is worth looking at. Agreed. IFL watches Super Seville number four. This is the Super Sevilla. Oh yeah, Sevilla. Or Seville has been uh has that been the like the the platform. The platform for IFL? It seems like we've seen a lot of these. With with Boulevard, it's the the super Sevilla. Uh It's Bulaba, I guess it's Sibyl. Oh, yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Number four, Risky Riches, and this is featuring the Monopoly guy in a really fun way. It's got a uh kind of old school feeling. Um oh, what's the word I'm looking for? Slot machine, sure, wheels spinning, gold all over the place, money bag or money sign eyeballs. Reaching out the the date window serves as the big red ball for which to actuate the uh the slot machine. Why is that? That keeps eluding me. I don't what I don't even want to what I want to call it. Well I want to call it a money machine, but that's not what it is. Slot machine? Yeah, but it keeps eluding me. Oh. And then I keep wanting to say money machine. Um which is not what they do. This is why Andrew's not allowed to go back to Vegas. These are not ATMs, they actually they're reverse ATMs. You just keep putting monies in it and then and then they don't come out. Um but then when they they do, come all at once. Um limited edition, 300 pieces, uh 1190 bucks. I I you know, every time I see an IFL Super Seville, I'm like, man, I love this platform and I think I want one. And then I look at them again and I'm like, I think I don't want one. But I do. I I love the IFL watches uh artwork on these. I think this is a fantastic platform for this type of application. And I love it. Do you think I don't believe Hasbro's money man is in the public domain. I don't know that for sure. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I don't think it's old enough. I always feel a little risky in that regard. Oh. Risky riches. Maybe. Maybe that's a middle finger. It could be. And I think it's also like, I mean, it has Hasbro Moneyman IP. Is this put perhaps licensed? I don't. It doesn't it's not licensed. Uh Uh I yeah. Maybe it is public domain. Maybe I'm just wrong about that. It's a c it's a really cool dial. Uh and the artwork here works for me in a way that sometimes IFL's artwork doesn't work. I think this is pretty cool. Um and I don't always feel that way about IFL, but it he's gotta still be in the vault in the IP vault it's a hundred years um yeah that's what I was thinking this Monopoly's not Monopoly's not a hundred years old no I think there's I uh I think maybe you could there's enough artistic license taken to perhaps have legs to stand on. Sure. And also like I one would think that Boulevard How many pieces here? I mean really limited. 300 pieces. 300 pieces. Really limited exposure in that regard. 77 would have been a better option. Oh look, here's a comment on Fertello. Much of the uh risk here is about how close Bolova can get to Hasbro's IP without getting sued. And this says I don't think second comment, I don't think Bolova has to worry about anything here. They sell watches to IFL for an agreed upon price, and that is the end of Bolivar's involvement, then IFL goes off and does whatever they want with the watch. But I do agree, IFL might be flying too close to the sun. Okay, well, that's from the comment section on the Fratello article that will be linked in the show notes, uh which is to say those are just people on the internet talking. Yeah, I just like we're people on the internet talking. My IP uh expertise is pretty limited. I know that we are not supposed to play music that isn't licensed on our show. Um and our music is licensed. Like we would never, for instance, play Wes Walker Jr. and Dill's Jordan Belfort on this show. We would not. Because we don't want to get cease and desist letters. Um Andrew, can I talk to you for just a second about can I talk to you for just a second about Astro and Banks? No. Full disclosure, people. Andrew Perez is one of my very good friends. One of my favorite people on the planet. One of our favorite people. He is look like you are not the words that are going to come out of our mouths in the next three to four minutes are not objective criticism. These are these are gonna be the words of friends of Andrew Perez talking about his new release that we first got eyes on in New York back in October. And I fucking love it. Okay. What this is, they're calling this, Andrew's calling this the Terra Scout. This is a field watch. It comes with Earth Scout. Two dial colors, white and black. Both of these are three-tiered sandwich dials. White is a fully loomed dial. Black is negative of that with loom appearing in the cutouts of the sandwich. Uh these have a these have a SW 300. movement Did you say W SW three hundred movement with a or excuse me, no, a Le Joupre G100 movement with with a a very interesting date complication, which is a full thirty one day rotation around the inner track and an indicator on the appropriate date. That sucks. This dial's upside down. Um Yep. Yep. Uh 38.5mm case. Pretty 12.4 thick. 10.4 without the crystal. That's a big difference. That's why we talk about crystal versus case height. Everett. Pretty busy for a field watch. Definitely not your traditional field watch. We do have a we do have quadrants on the minute track with alternating blue and green loom, the main loom on the swatch being blue, so that green gives you just a little bit of a little zhuzh. It's a little something, a little genetse. That's French. For somet some. I don't know. It's I'm telling you. We get three That's what it means. Something. I don't know what. Uh three uh metal options. Actually one metal option and three different varieties. We've got a uh Sarakote, is Isn't it it? just is it Coyote tan? What is it what are we calling it? He's calling it uh desert sand Sarakote. It kind of is like Coyote F D E. Yes. Yes. Uh we also have sandblasted silver steel or you can get black PVD. All three of these available in all three of the cases. Um yeah, what more to say? Full loom white is baller. Yes. Desert Sam listened to a hundred pieces. I think those were gone. Are they gone? They might be. Well, I don't know. I'll go to the website. I'll check. Uh 975 for the pre-order on the desert sand, 875 standard edition pre-order price. Uh full retail is eleven ninety-five and nine ninety-five. Yeah, the Sarakoat is sold out. Okay. Well at my boy. We'll have to call him and say, hey Andrew, we've said all these really nice things about you. Make a thousand and one, please. Give give me them give me them goods. Um yeah. Not a this is a we I love this watch. I love this watch. My favorite detail is the lugs. And in person, this is the this is way more noticeable. It's the star of the show. Yes. These lugs sort what what are we gonna call these? Can I call these a claw foot lug? I'm gonna say claw foot also. Oh, really? Is that where your head was at? Yeah. Clawfoot lug. There's probably a better name for them. Not gonna learn it. Real sharp. Real sharp down.turn With a bit of with a bit of a scoop. With a bit of a scoop. Yep. A little bit of a scoop. And they're they're a ball. There's four of them. If you were. And if you were to set it down, they would support the watch, like cla.w foot's I had a joke and I'm not gonna say it. It's totally inappropriate. Uh what's next, Andrew? Uh we've got at least we've got at least one more watch that we need to talk about. Okay. Um uh I'd like to talk next about oh oh how about this? The main Hudson 38MK5. Um you think MK5 or Mark V? Well, there's just two letters and there's no R. Okay. So much like MKUltra, it's not Mark Ultra. Okay. Uh that would be a cool name, Mark Ultra. Uh yes, so the Hudson 38 Mark V MK Vall It for What You Will. Um, this is a obviously the fifth edition of the Hudson, and this is a oh here we go, hang on, hang on. 38 millimeter, 47 lug to lug, 13 thick, 300 meters of water resistance powered by a LeJoupure G100, uh all for well, about a thousand dollars on a bracelet, including VAT. This is good. So the upgrades from four to five. Where are we at? I have to scroll back up. New sandblasted textured dial, which is it's just a sandblasted textured dial, right? There's nothing particularly special about this. Uh this is good. This like in the way of just kind of iterative improving on a watch, this is good. And I like it. And it's under a thousand bucks. They've slimmed it down. I don't remember what the previous edition version was in the way of thickness. 13 millimeters for a 300 meter dive watch. Yep, I'm here for it. I like the texture on the dial. I like the simplicity of the fonts. I like the fonts on the bezel. I like kind of digital display. Uh I like it. This is a perfectly unoffensive thousand dollar dive watch. Ceramic insert. It's the things. Yeah, I think it's great. I mean we've got certainly the digital text on the DAOs of very much Rolex, but the watch doesn't feel overly sub-y, although it's clearly a sub homage. Mm-hmm. I don't mean that in the like s I don't mean that in the capital H homage sense, but there's clearly a lot of sub happening here, but the dial's their own thing. I mean, really, the whole watch is their own thing. I love the minute track on the rehout. Uh, I actually think this watch is a killer value. I at a thousand bucks, I think this watch is a killer value. The five-link bracelet, not it's it's a five-piece three-link bracelet. Uh, to my eye, looks incredibly well done for the price for the thousand dollars you're gonna pay for this. Also, the profile view on this watch, the case finishing looks phenomenal. The case back here again, we've got sort of a Rolex-ish caseback, uh, which is to say we've got sort of a fluted uh although you also have like standard standard uh notches in the case Man, this thing is really well done. I think for the thousand bucks you pay, ceramic, micro adjust or on the fly adjustment on the bracelet. Jeez Louise, I this is a great value. Yeah, it it's yeah, this is money. Really, really, really good value on this. And if you look at the wrist of crystal, even considering it's a 13 millimeter, if you look at that profile. Yeah, I mean it's got a big bubble crystal on this too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I I do um I do know that Maine is one of these companies that, you know, occasionally people will say, oh, this and that. They've had a few sort of problematic Reddit posts about their QC and customer service over this. So so your mileage may vary in that regard with that With. that said, I think the vast majority of their companies have these watches that they're happy with. Seiko is famous for misaligned stuff. Right. Right. Like it's a thing. Yeah. It's almost such a thing that one starts to think that perhaps Seiko does it on purpose. Right. Um, I I think the last watch I want to talk about, I'm not sure if that's the last watch we're gonna talk about because Andrew's got I make decisions here. He makes decisions. I peed on the floor. Uh I we don't do this very often, uh, but we're gonna do it today because uh Michael Peñate was the only person I could find that had read uh written about this release. So we're gonna link to a two broke watch knocks article in our show notes, and there's nothing wrong. We we don't avoid that specifically, it's just sort of little atypical. Um But m Michael had written about this watch that uh came my way uh via Reddit, uh speci,fically the It's About Time newsletter wrote about this. Citizen introduces an affordable 39.5mm Pro Master Land GMT watch for 2026. This is an Eco Drive Land GMT, and man, I'm really into this. This has got a bit of a Raymere's vibe. It is a 39 and a half millimeter GMT with a bucket load of water resistance. Great sort of 200 meters water resistance, I should just say that. Uh ISO standards um ISO standard compliant GMT hand, really, really terrific texture. Now in the United States, they've released this in red with a stainless fixed 24-hour bezel. Uh the texture on this is pretty aggressive. Pretty aggressive. Yeah. I like it, but it might not be your thing. Uh the the gold 24 hour hand contrast against the red is phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These are 600 bucks, 595 bucks in the United States, uh, which I think is a really, really good price. You're not going to, I mean, this is citizen, right? You're not good this bracelet is gonna be exac it this is exactly the bracelet you expect. Is there something goofy happening on the flip-lock side of the bracelet? Oh, yeah, I've seen that picture. What what do you what I'm it's not a link attaching that flip-lock side to the bracelet. It's like it's just folded metal with a rivet. Yeah. That's how that construction goes so it this is not like compare this to I'll say the pin and collar link like pins in these bracelets. Uh I broke my nighthawk bracelet trying to size it. You're you're this is not this is not like compare this to the heron, for instance. You're not getting the same look. With that said, I uh this is still very, very cool. Now, the thing that got me, so this actually this version of this watch didn't get me super excited. With that said, on the Citizen Hong Kong website right now, they have this in four versions. So there is the red that you can get on the US site. There is a blue, very similar to the red, but with a sort of a denim blue dial. There is a, praise the Lord, a full black dial. Textured still still textured. Ooh, I do like. But with a red GMT hand with red accents, sort of a crimson GMT in accents. And then and then there is a PVD comes on a a PvD two-tone PvD. So like a gunmetal PvD case with a black PvD bezel with a green dial. And I see you. I see you. This one does not come on a bracelet. I'm okay with that. Um I don't like it, but I'm okay with it. Yeah. Because this bracelet is kind of a throwaway. A little bit. That's right. That's right. Um, I I will say the Hong Kong website lists these at 38.6 millimeters. I do not so the US website says 39 and a half on the red. The Hong Kong website has four of these, including the red listed, all of them at 38.6 millimeters. I do not believe that they have two different sizes of that. I just don't believe it. I think the Hong Kong website is probably not accounting for Crown Guards and Crown. Just case diameter absent crown guards. You think that's a sufficient margin of error. That's more than a millimeter, though. Those crown guards are more than a millimeter. That's three millimeters easily, maybe four millimeters of crown guard. Maybe it's not accounting for the crown, which is this fantastic citizen-nurled big old like tool watch crown. I think that there is a question mark about how big this watch is. There there is a question mark, yeah. I think I think we have to leave it at that for the profile view on this watch, this mid-case, is like pure 90s, like sultry, soft, round. I'm gonna say 2000s, but I'm with you. Yeah. Uh I I am for it. Yeah, yeah, I get Ray Muir's vibes. I I get like the legs of like the fertility statues, like the women in those like fertility statues. Get the fuck out of that. That's what those look like. Tell me that's not like a fertility statue thigh. Andrew, other things, what do you got? Uh okay, so my kids know how to work Netflix, uh, which is fine, whatever. Usually I hate what they find, and they stick with age-appropriate stuff, so like I'm I'm not like lamenting it. They They started watching Mark Rober's Crunch Labs on Netflix, and man, I just could not be more excited about this kind of television, right? Because every once in a while, like I come downstairs and they're watching like Mr. Beast games. And you know what? Good for him. He's made a bucket load of money and he does fun stuff and kids love him. And also like come on. Like we can we can do better than that. This guy does do better than that. So for those of you unfamiliar somehow with Mark Rober. Um he is a social media YouTube guy who He's a NASA engineer. Can we leave that he's he who left his engineering job at NASA uh after he worked on to make porch pirate glitter bombs. Yes. So after he helped design the like the the terminal landing stage of the Mars rover. He's like, I think I'm gonna make glitter bombs. I think I'm gonna make glitter bombs. And that's what he did. So he got on YouTube and he started doing all this like crazy stuff and then started doing longer videos of like cool engineering and there's two seasons available of his show. Squirrel Squirrel Obstacle. Squirrel Ninja Warrior. Uh Octopus Ninja Warrior. But in you know, obviously in a tank. Uh I the the kids love it. I love it because they're watching a dude doing STEM stuff in a fun way, and they're just enamored by it, right? They're and he he he talks in a really he's doing pretty high level engineering but makes it really palatable and really engaging for kids uh such that like I I think we are gonna get the kids the the crunch labs like stem kits, which are like a monthly subscription of the where you get like a STEM toy and then a corresponding QR code to watch the video of like how to build it and why it works, and like kind of a non-traditional approach to engineering and to science. And I love that. Like making this stuff palatable and showing kids that it can and probably should be fun. He made a like an actual pool of jello, um, which I guess is hard. And then when he explains why it's hard, I'm like, oh that makes sense, because I would not have been successful in this. And and and after my first attempt of just like a red pool of sugar water and failed gelatin, I'd be like, well, I guess I'll move on to the next cool thing. Um, but that's this thing, and uh the kids love it. There's I don't know how many episodes, 18 or so episodes on Netflix. Uh they're fairly short, but they're all like really wholesome and really engaging and also like uh they're not watching just shit. It's it's like the the SEO designed way to like engage with kids, but the material that they're engaging with is perhaps my favorite available on Netflix in that they're seeing problems presented and seeing somebody think through the problem in a brilliant way. And I love it. So we've been watching it together. It's awesome. I'm a huge Mark Robert fan. Yeah, I mean, what fucking rocket scientist is like, I think I'm gonna go watch it. I'm gonna go make YouTube videos. What an asshole. Like, can you imagine being that smart? And at this point, you know, he's I I assume doing all right for himself. Yeah, he he's probably he could probably retire. Um I watched a movie right before I came over here, Andrew. And I will admit to having uh having been brought to tears a little bit, a little bit. Uh within about within about a half hour of me coming over to your house tonight, I watched a new Netflix documentary about a 45-year-old event. Specifically. Oh, I almost watched this today. The nineteen eighty uh the nineteen eighty US Olympic hockey team that famously defeat defeated the USSR team before going on to defeat Finland for the gold medal um in the 1980 Olympics, previous, formerly, you know, expected to finish somewhere between 7th and 12th in the Olympics, win it all at a time where there were 12 teams. At a time when the United States was really, really, really struggling in many respects, um, you know, economically and just sort of the spirit of the country was down. It was a moment, right? This this documentary is so good, Andrew. It's so good. Even if you know the story. No, everyone knows the story. Everyone's watched Miracle on Ice. That's right. Even if you know the story. Is it just Miracle or is it Miracle and Ice? It's so there's a movie from 1981 called Miracle and Ice that I think very few people have seen. There's a 2004 Disney movie called Miracle starring Kurt Russell that I think many more people have seen, and now there's a Netflix documentary called Miracle The Boys of 80. And it is just really, really lovely, really lovely, really well done. One of the things I'll just provide this nugget. One of the things that I think I was previously maybe unaware of, and Miracle does a little bit of work on this. The Kurt Russell character, Herb, who Kurt Russell plays Herb Brooks and Miracle, and he's sort of a cantankerous guy. Um, but this movie really does a good job talking about he's an enigmatic guy, Herbrooks, the coach of that team. But I think the movie without dwelling on it does a really, really, really good job displaying why he, probably more so than any other person, certainly more than the players, was responsible for that victory. A really discreet kind of old school approach to coaching that wasn't it's not all roses right there are in fact some bad some bad words uh and some bad expressions targeted at him. But when you when you back away from it and you look at the things he did and the way he did those things, he was uh uh not a man of many words, and the few words he did have were oftentimes harsh, very rarely loving or friendly. Uh, but you hear about this this movie does a really good job of saying, this is all Herb said. He just said this thing. And you're like, that was the fucking thing he needed to say. Right? Like very easy in retrospect. But not part of the story. I think historically, really not, really not the public doesn't say, Oh, Herbrooks, Herb Brooks. After watching this, I am just really enamored by his personality, and I think that there's some lessons to be had there. Uh, the way he treats uh the way he treats the players, the way he treats the teams, the way he keeps distance, uh, the regret he has about that distance, but also sort of unapologetically. So anyway, I think it's just fantastic. I loved it. I recommend you watch it. I loved it. I loved it. And the title, The Boys of 80, it is so fantastic. The oldest player on that team, there's two of them. They were 25. Yeah, that's right. That's right. And most of them are teenagers. Yeah. That's right. 19 ranging from 19 to 25, this entire roster. Most of them 1920, 21. Uh the Russian or the Soviet Union team. Dude's in their 30s, late 20s, like yeah, we're we're a few years away from this changing, but that was still in the old days of the Olympics where the United States is putting up true amateurs and playing against pros when they travel. So that of course famously that changes. Uh really eighty eight and then and then famously in nineteen ninety two with the dream team. What? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that was a that was a significant uh paradigm shift in the Olympics. But these kids are college grads who have never played in the NHL who are hoping to play and often and and many of them do play later in the NHL, but or are currently playing in college. That's right. That's right. So pretty cool. Really a fun story. Even if you know it, I recommend watching it. It's a different telling of that story than you've had. I mean we've all watched a hundred true crime documentaries on the same topics. Uh right. How many how many Zodiac Killer documentaries do you think you've watched? Many. Yeah. More than a dozen. That's right. Um yeah, I I just thought I just thought this was great. Um my favorite part about it was commentary, not just by Al Michael, so Al Michaels, unsurprisingly, is an important part of this story because, you know, he's the guy who's there. He's doing the announcing. But also George Will talks a lot. They get George Will to talk about this event. Uh I which I just found delightful. Um and anyway, that's all I have to say about it. But go watch it. You're gonna see it. It's brand new on Netflix. Just to watch it. Love Al Michaels. He's great. He's really good. I think almost everybody they talk to in this thing tears up a little bit at some point, or at least gets a little bit right. You know, hosting the Olympics and being this underdog, defeating the you know, we're we're like in the throes of the cold war still. And then defeat the the Soviet Union at like in our home. Uh yeah, I mean just that story alone, if that were the storyline, if even if the US team had gone into it as the favorite and wins, this is still a fantastic storyline. But the fact that they were this like ragtag group of Island of Misfit toys bears that were that were brought together and achieved going up against Ivan Drago. Yeah. If he dies, he dies. Uh yeah, and then and they they did it. It was a huge unifying moment for For America. Yeah. Real really, really, really fantastic story. Good movie about that fantastic story. Uh I do hope that Lindsey Vaughn gets healthy enough to ski? Next time. How old is Lindsay Vaughn? She's 40. Yeah. I mean just think of how long you were late. I've been out for four months and I don't even know exactly what happened. Hey folks, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the WatchClicker Podcast. Do me a favor, uh, go to our website. It's watchclicker.com. That's where we post articles and reviews and other things about watches from time to time. If you'd like to follow us on social media, you can do that at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker or at watch clicker, both of those on Instagram. 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