Skip to content

Sellita is Back, Baby (378)

Published on Mon, 26 Jan 2026 22:38:04 -0800

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 and 20 Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss various watch industry news and releases while sharing personal anecdotes. The conversation begins with Andrew's recent foray into sausage-making, specifically creating jalapeño and cheddar pork sausages, and his struggles with achieving proper emulsion in his sausage preparations.

The watch discussion covers several notable releases including Lapi's 1839 reimagined regatta clock with hand-painted enamel (priced around \(30,000-\)60,000), Swatch's Guggenheim collection featuring works inspired by artists like Degas, Monet, and Pollock at $110-115, and a perplexing Tissot PR516 38mm PowerMatic 80 with a non-rotating 60-minute bezel that the hosts find baffling. They also discuss Selita's new SW202 movement with 65 hours of power reserve at 28,800 bph, which they consider superior to ETA's PowerMatic 80 due to maintaining the higher beat rate. Other watches covered include Notice's Sector Deep GMT in an interesting gradient green dial and Orient Star's M45 F8 moon phase at a controversial $3,400+ price point.

The episode concludes with "other things" where Andrew enthusiastically discusses his new Teak Haus cutting board after being roasted by his wife's grandfather for using a plastic board, and Everett shares his experience with a DeWalt battery-powered brad nailer that exceeded his expectations for a recent closet shelving project. Throughout the episode, the hosts maintain their characteristic banter and detailed technical discussions about watch specifications and design choices.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Glicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. It's been chilly here. But because we're in the Pacific Northwest, chili for us in this instance has me
Andrew ant no moisture. 30. Right? No, it's been getting down into the 20s.
Everett Yes. Meanwhile, in the rest of the United States, it's been actually cold and we're sorry that you're dealing with that. But also it's been quite nice here. It's been sunny. No, no precipitation, like you said, no moisture, so it has been a little bit dry, but temperatures have been cool, but not like have been cold, but not the kind of cold that you're like miserable.
Andrew When the air is dry, it can get down to like zero before you're like, man, it fucking sucks. Yeah,
Everett that's right. So it's been really nice here. Um, and I've enjoyed it. I've been uh not jealous of
Andrew these terrible snowstor
Everett ms people have been having and ice storms and everything else. I
Andrew 've been jealous of the places that have infrastructure to support that type of weather pattern. I don
Everett 't think us they're like
Andrew m medium accustomed to it.
Everett I mean, they're clos they're shutting down like entire communities in Michigan, right? Like the infrastructure capital, the the snow infrastructure capital, the world probably, and they can't handle it. It's been a really hard storm for the people that have been hit pretty bad. But we didn't get out of here.
Andrew So I've been really good. And
Everett rew, how are you? I am
Andrew Are you just Sarbing? What are you wearing? Oh
Everett no. Oh Christopher Ward. Christopher Ward got it
Andrew . Yeah. I've gained some weight in the last few months, so I can't wear any of my watches that have bracelets
Everett . Oh. Interesting.
Andrew Yeah. Okay.
Everett Yeah, you spend four months sedentary
Andrew and suddenly your wrist gets fat. Who saw that coming?
Everett Yeah, interesting. You know, I fluctuate a lot as you know in terms of weight, but my wrist doesn't.
Andrew Oh no, I uh I can't wear any of my bracelet watches.
Everett You gain it first in your wrist. Evidently
Andrew . Uh evidently. Yeah. So no I'm wearing Christopher Ward. I'm wearing my C63 today., but I'm good. I'm you know just kicking it, enjoying excuse me, uh enjoying our cold weather. Um yesterday I uh I was just like puttering around the house doing chores and laundry and dishes, and for some reason the word mortadella popped into my head. Uh so I stopped what I was doing and I went down a very deep rabb
Everett it hole of
Andrew sausage making. Um I ordered some hard cases f for to make mortadella uh but I didn't want to wait for them to arrive so today I made um some all pork uh jalapeno and cheddar sausages. They're curing the the farce is curing in my fridge right now and then tomorrow I'll case them up and smoke 'em. Um what
Everett 's a farce? It's just the the meat shit
Andrew that goes into a sausage
Everett . Okay. A meat a a meat meat. Yeah, so
Andrew it's all the ground meat that's now like blended is not the right word, mixed, like thoroughly mixed and stirred and compelled. Do
Everett you use like pink that pink? Yeah, so
Andrew it's got it's got some some prog powder and then like the normal sweet of sausage uh seasonings, and that's why it's curing overnight because if you use a curing salt, you need to let it cure um before you
Everett stuff it. Yeah, or ye
Andrew ah, after. I'm just doing it before because I didn't I felt it like curing ahead of time. I don't I don't have a real reason
Everett . Okay. Will it stay soft? Will it stay soft after it's cured? For stuffing
Andrew ? Yeah, yeah. No, so it doesn't like the the curing process is is like uh allowing it to age without growing bacteria and allowing it to be cooked at a lower temperature without growing bacteria. So tomorrow I'll get home, I'm gonna stuff like I'm gonna case five pounds of sausage, so I don't know, fifteen feet or so. H
Everett ave you ever made hard tech? H
Andrew ard tech? Like the the bread?
Everett Mm-hmm. No.
Andrew Nope, me either. I just saw a video
Everett about heart attack the other day and I thought, you know what? I should, just for shits and giggles. Wow. I'm sure it's terrible, right? Ye
Andrew ah. I just think it's interesting. I mean, eat a stale loaf of bread. Like go to Walmart tomorrow, buy a loaf of French bread, throw it in the cabinet for three days
Everett . I think that'
Andrew s hard tech. Hardtack
Everett is like a cracker, I think
Andrew . So is French bread left in your cabinet for three days. Uh but anyway, I'm excited to case that sausage. Uh, because I have a a bunch of um like twenty four millimeter casings that I can fill. I just I needed some sausage. You said it was
Everett jalapeno and what? Cheddar. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Natural
Andrew pork belly and pork shoulder. Compan
Everett ionship. Yeah. Ooh, pork bell
Andrew y. So it'll be fatt
Everett y. That was the goal. I wanted to hit
Andrew a 70-30, and after all my weights, I got about there. I was at like 68
Everett . And the fat's integrated, so it won't just like
Andrew it shouldn't. And I kept it. I've because one of the things that I've really struggled with in my sausage making is my emulsion. And I've learned recently that it's because I'm letting my during my like actual prep process, I'm letting it get too warm before chilling it back down. So ideally you want to be working with like during your grind and your mixing process with meat under like 40 degrees. Almost
Everett frozen. Just just shy of.
Andrew So you can like really mix everything together. Um, because I've really struggled with my emulsion sausages. Um and in my YouTube rabbit holes over the last summer months have I think isolated that I'm letting it get too warm during my
Everett grind and mix process
Andrew . So I I like during my grind I got everything like all but frozen for the grind, threw it back in the freezer for 40 minutes and then did my mix
Everett . Just were really concentrated on keeping it cold. Re
Andrew ally, really focused on keeping it cold. And we'll see. I don't know. It's it's in the fridge right now curing and then tomorrow we'll case it up and push the air out and hopefully see a better result. I
Everett 'm pumped to try it. Yeah. Well, we're not here to talk about sausage. We are
Andrew always here to talk about sauce.
Everett We've talked about. Rather, we're here to talk about watches. And are you are slow to reach for your phone, but nonetheless, because it's tradition around here, would you like to get us started?
Andrew I will get us started. I'm gonna get us started with not a watch. Uh yes
Everett . I was just admiring the whiskering on your jeans at the
Andrew Yeah, it's weird, right? I like
Everett it. Uh I I have it like I wasn't trying to distract him at this point. He was almost like I have whisk
Andrew ering like in the the front six inches and then right at the knee. So I think that maybe means I sit too often. I don't know.
Everett That looks cool. Uh but the back
Andrew of the knee is like really like heavily whiskered
Everett . Yeah. Um
Everett you got them sick fades. I
Andrew do. So as always, uh if I have a not watch thing to kick us off, I'm gonna kick us off with that. I wanna talk about the Lapi 1839 reimagining its regatta clock with enamel. And man, you know, we've talked about some desk clocks. If anyone's interested in like offering a gift to the show that the pricing is available upon request, uh please. This is the one. So this is a 518 millimeter high by 120 millimeter square base, just absolutely gorgeous desk clock that really evokes the kind of sailing vibe. Um, these are all like totally enamel, hand-painted, just stunning desk clocks. And I'd really like Everett for you to buy one for me
Everett . Okay. No, no, no, not for me. Hang
Andrew on. I should maybe amend that. I'd really like for you to buy one for the show and then we could put it on the desk here in the recording studio so that we have a better concept of how much time has elapsed during our recording sessions. Uh, I do feel like that could be considered a business expense
Everett . Sure. Sure.
Andrew And um so now the ball is in your court. These are just absolutely stunning. The hand painting on these enamel um what's the word scales maybe? These triangular dual scales that uh are I mean they look like sails, right? I
Everett actually thought I I actually thought Star Wars fighter. I acce
Andrew pt also uh just stunning in the way of a desk clock
Everett . So this brand Le P
Andrew I think it's Le P Le P because there's a lot of E's
Everett . Uh with that is a brand I'm unfamiliar with, but they have they've made horological clocks with uh like high horology clocks with Mb and F. Yeah, they'
Andrew ve done co they've worked with
Everett big boys. Uh and supposedly they're very well known for their very cool shit. Uh in this racing skiff desk clock, I think, is just their own shit here. But
Andrew it is an eight-day mov
Everett ement with a vertical gear train that is completely exposed such that you can see it the entire thing. You rotate this clock from the back. You can um it's really it it's it's a piece
Andrew of art. It reminds me of that uh table clock that we saw at the um Oh shoot, what's that German
Everett not Torneau, but um Manhattan. Yeah,
Everett no, there's like a German house brand that
Andrew like the counterbalance actually passed through the table. Yeah, so you couldn't steal it because it it you had to take the whole table with you
Everett . These aren't uh made for reta
Everett il. They're unique, each of them one off, customized to order, price upon request. Um and I sp I assume, yeah, you know,
Andrew if you gotta ask varying de
Everett grees. These are palladium plated, brass, and steel and aluminum. Um
Everett , yeah, this thing's crazy. It's beautiful.
Everett Uh I think this is the type of thing that is for almost exclusively for someone who makes incredibly way too much money. Uh but it's gorgeous. I I agree with you.
Andrew I think it's I think it's actually for a gift of like to somebody who makes entirely too much money.
Everett From somebody. But but spending their
Andrew money to for which to buy it with. So I need to send sending this link to my wife.
Everett Do you have any concept for how much these actually
Everett are? I have no idea. I didn't bot
Andrew her looking because I knew it was just like pure and omtanium. I imagine this is
Everett Well, but I guess I don't know. Like is it 30,000? No, this is a good three hundred and fifty thousand. dollars This is th
Andrew ree hundred and fifty. Yeah. W
Everett ell, so because if it was a hundred the
Andrew typically priced around thirty-th
Everett ree thousand eighty dollars. It's odd
Everett ly specific for various models
Andrew . So now so we're gonna push in a hand painted, so maybe we'll get to sixty, which is way less than I expected. I expected these in the
Everett yeah in the like rookie contra
Andrew ct amounts. Yeah, no, I me
Everett an and and not that that's not uh an outrage
Everett ous amount of money, but it it sort of puts a bit of a point on it, right? Like
Everett , oh that's ob
Andrew taining a mish. Obtaining a mis
Everett h for your wealthiest asshole friends
Andrew . Mm-hmm. Not for you. So do please feel free to send us a few
Everett . Yeah. We won't resell them
Andrew either. We will we will keep them and we will cherish them.
Everett I will resell it. U
Everett h also not watch related. I
Everett have my own. Yes. Not but
Andrew not not watch related. Sure
Everett . It is still. It's not a wat
Everett ch, though. You accept?
Andrew I do. I'm sorry. I'm having to move links around here. That wasn't the my delay.
Everett Um Salita. Selita maker I know ex
Andrew actly what you were gonna talk about. M
Everett aker of since I think 2003, the 20
Everett 0, the SW200
Everett movement, which was created to compete with the 28-2
Everett 4, uh, notably shares
Everett architecture with the ETA
Everett or ETA 282
Everett 4 and dimensionally is a drop-in
Everett for that. And is
Andrew also perhaps the most widely used movement in the North of a thousand, south of five
Everett watch. But for perhaps the 28-4. So um and of
Everett course the the 200 was uh repla
Everett ced in 2008 I bel
Everett ieve by the 200-1
Everett which fixed some um
Everett which fixed a manufacturing defect or
Everett or a design defect that was also
Everett present in the ATA 2824 and then and then Salita
Everett has also done a number of things to make this movement competitive on other ways, introducing, you know, uh complications to this and a hand wound version of the 210. So the
Everett needless to say, the 200-
Everett 1 is a ubiquitous movement. It's a great movement. It is beloved and oft-used. However, recently in the last several ye
Everett ars, a couple things have happened.
Everett Uh notably, ETA,
Everett ETA introduced their
Everett PowerMacca ID movement, uh, which took the 28-24 architecture, reduced the beat rate from 28-8 to 21.6, and made it 80 hours of power
Everett reserve. Uh we've
Everett gone back and forth on this show a number of times about whether or not that's a good thing or not. But needless to say, the industry, the market, has been receptive to that. The ha the the Hamil
Everett ton and the T Sot
Everett Power Matic watches. Yeah,
Andrew I mean Tissot's made an entire thing of the Powermatic 80. They do really well. They do really well. So
Everett when when Hamilton or when
Everett Edda introduced the power manic
Everett movement, it was pretty clear that they weren't gonna make that available to anybody else. Uh this is gonna
Everett be us uh for you know bi
Everett as for us in our own brands. And of course the 28-24 itself has been really restricted from the market. So
Everett and then a few years ago, another thing h
Everett appened, which is that Citizen introduced the G100, the La Jou Peré, it Citizen Purchased le Jou Pure and they introduced Le Jou Pure introduced the G100 movement, which is much
Everett like the
Everett SW200, is dimensionally a 2824 d
Andrew rop-in, uh, meaning that you
Everett could take a watch designed with the 2824 in mind and drop in a uh G100 uh because it's the same dimensions. Of course, the G100 shares its architecture or it developed its architecture from the Miota 9000 series as opposed to the SW200. So there's some diff
Everett erent architecture going on there,
Everett but functionally it was a very similar th
Everett ing the the g100 has
Everett 65 hours of power reserve i think it's 65 so all of a
Everett sudden now you've got etta with the
Everett power medic at 80 hours and still with
Everett the 28, 24, if you want that
Everett sort of thing, you know, in their elaborate grades or whatever. You've got Le Jou Paret with their increasingly popular G one hundred
Everett . And now you've got Porcellita
Everett lagging behind. They still got 40 hours of power reserve
Everett . They have fixed that. So Salita has
Andrew they've closed the gap. Well they haven't fixed it
Everett . You
Everett 're wrong, I think, and I'll tell you why, but we'll get to that. So uh Salita
Everett introduces the SW202 with sixty
Everett five hours of power reserve. Okay, so Andrew's
Everett saying if they didn't fix it, they closed the gap. Haml Hamilton Eda still hasn't
Everett beat by eighty minus sixty five, fifteen hours, right
Andrew ? It's twenty hours.
Everett Okay. This is a twenty-eight eight
Everett hundred movement. Yes. They did not lower
Andrew the beat rate. So they they did not
Everett . We now have a h
Everett igh beat or 28800, which is relatively high beat sixty f hoiveur movement. I think that this
Everett movement is
Everett on paper better than the power matic because
Everett instead of 216.
Andrew You're not you're not doing a beat rate compromise. No
Everett beat rate compromises. Um so the architecture's different, but the dimensions are the same.
Andrew Yeah it's like a whole new movement that fits in the same h It is. It is
Everett . Although although if you look
Everett ed at it, it it looks very simil
Everett ar, but everything's just slightly
Everett tweaked. So there's no component sharing. It's not a clone. Uh
Andrew which will be the the evolutionary problem
Everett . That's that's right. That's why I don't know if it's a problem, but it is
Andrew it'll be a it won't be a problem for for them. It's gonna be a problem for us because because the now what's the legacy movement which is as ubiquitous as ubiquitous comes will become obsolete. Yes, and I don't know like maybe a problematic upgrade.
Everett I don't know what they plan to do with the
Everett 200-1. I I mean this so they're calling this the 200-2. I I don't I I think there may be room in the market for mo for both of these movements.
Andrew I I hope there is, but I think about like the fact that Christopher Ward has been using the 200-1 in virtually every model for ten years. And we'll just stay with that brand, right? It's thousands and thousands of watches throughout the world that are now in a little bit of a questionable position for servicing at uh manufacturer level
Everett . I think
Andrew I'm not getting to you that
Everett these there are so many of these I just don't see that that's a problem for a hundred years
Andrew . Maybe and maybe so. I'm my concern is with this is in creating a legacy and a modern iteration of a movement where they've they've done such upgrade to the movement that it no longer right is it's like
Everett well it's a it's a new movement. It's
Everett a whole new movement. Time will tell I I think your
Everett I think your concerns uh just
Everett because of the amount of these on the markets, I think your concerns are maybe not super worrisome, at least to me, but time will tell.
Andrew What what gaming platform didn't reverse didn't allow reverse play? I don
Everett 't know, was it Nintendo? Was it a PlayStation? Was it
Andrew the five? That like you couldn't play your old games on the platform anymore. Could
Everett n't you? That's my worry
Everett . It is, I think this is wh
Everett olly different. Anyway, uh what's new? Uh we'
Everett ve got new barrel construction, new gear tra
Everett in, um, new escapement with
Everett a lower balance inertia.
Everett Um, we've got a new Inca block design uh on the balance staff. Um
Everett yeah, so so you can
Everett swap in this whole movement, although components can't be swapped. Jou
Everett le count's the same, frequency sta
Everett ys at 288. Uh which
Andrew is really nice. That's a big upgrade relative to the one hundred uh movement that that that beat rate is
Everett and it keeps cost certification simple. It keeps your you know so
Everett um 'cause but they've also
Andrew Yeah. They they've also updated
Everett sorry, Andrew, we'll get through this.
Everett They've also updated the
Everett um uh the
Everett oretically, this is a this is a
Everett simple update for all their, you know, small seconds complications, etc.
Everett But they've updated the manual one
Everett to 10 line, which they're now calling the 200-2M, uh which
Everett I I think that makes a lot of sense, right? So
Everett you've got the two hundred-two and the two hundred-two M. Like, oh o
Everett kay, that that makes a ton of sense. Now I get
Andrew it. Um this is for
Everett now the SW, this is I'm reading off W
Everett arren Wound. For uh credit work
Everett , credit due. This is Zach We
Everett iss. Um he
Everett says, I just
Everett had it, but then I wrote up to the top. That was stupid.
Everett Um for now the SW201 remains available as the transition will take time
Everett due to non-interchangeable parts and the newer movements cost
Everett ing slightly more. So it seems that suggests to me that this is intended to be a full
Everett like we're no longer gonna make the two hundred dash one. So
Andrew that's my concern. They've obviously got par
Everett ts, but I it sounds to me like, they're not going to dedicate manufacturing resources to that older movement. So
Everett um, yeah, I I mean this is the new standard for Sal
Everett ita. So it this is a big
Everett and it's this it doesn't seem like a big deal, but this is a big deal.
Andrew It's a and it's a big deal because it affects forty percent of S
Everett wiss watches. Swiss watches. Yeah
Andrew . Uh and eighty percent of aff
Everett ordable Swiss watches. Yeah.
Andrew Maybe not eighty. That might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but I I don't know
Everett . But but it's it's a fair point th
Andrew ough. It's a landscape changer
Everett . I don't like I'm
Andrew I'm a little bit of a chicken little. You y'all might or might not know that about me. Um but if like Little things go wrong, I'm pretty sure it's the end of the world. I'm fighting that reflex right now in this update and change. You're making a funny face at me
Everett .
Everett I mean I don't know. I I think that this is fine. I think it's good. I don't I don't I don't see actually
Everett there's uh nothing that I think is going to go wrong here.
Andrew No, but I hate change. There's a thing that I don't like. There are eighty gaz
Everett illion 200-1 watches on eBay right now that nobody wants.
Andrew That's true. So now in order to get my watch serviced, I have to buy a shit watch that I don't want to find a movement that hasn't been used in a decade. No
Everett , because there are also 80 gazillion parts in the world in the market for 200
Everett -1 movements. Like this is
Everett not a uh this is
Everett not a real
Everett scary proposition
Andrew . Well, it is for me. Okay. Thank you, Everett. Uh Swatch has a new collaboration. And when I first saw it, I was I don't I was I wanted to poo-poo it. Like I I wanted to immediately be disappointed. So Swatch is has released a Guggenheim collection in which they have four new watches that are all based off of the works of uh famous artists, including or not including this is the list, uh Edward Edgar Degas,
Everett Paul Klee, Claude Mon
Andrew et, and Jackson Pollock. I
Everett 've never heard of any of those people. No, they're they
Andrew 're kind of nobodies. It's like it's swatch partnership. What do you want? Um
Everett so hold on just a second. Lu
Everett ke, I am going to text message you andrew's phone number. I want you to yell at him. Don't yell at me. I'm gonna text you his phone number. You yell at him
Andrew . I didn't even say it. I just I co I supported you. I was the loving wife in this interaction.
Everett No no no no w he he regularly messag
Everett es us to give us
Everett pronunciation advice.
Andrew Yeah. Jackson Pollock. That's how you say it. Uh so we we have two case sizes. We have a 34 case size and a 41. Um, and these each of these are coming in inspired
Everett by works by these
Andrew artists. And I was looking at them and I was like, man, I kind of love and get all of these, which is not a usual uh response I get for swatch releases. Usually swatch releases, I'm like, hmm. I think this wasn't for me. And these
Everett are killer. And here's the real w
Andrew in. They're a hundred and ten buc
Everett ks. I was
Andrew ready for these to be significantly more, just given that they're Guggenheim collaborations or hundreds. I think
Everett 1100 crazy. 115
Andrew bucks. These are not system 31. I
Everett I mean no, but for a Guggenhe
Andrew im collaboration, these are like high art inspired. I'm I'm good with that dollar amount.
Everett How much were these things in 1980s, 16
Everett bucks. How much was a swatch watch?
Everett This I that's a that's an
Andrew uh unreasonable question. How much was a sub 25 years ago? Ye
Everett ah, but I mean I'm just thinking, even with inflation, 100-1
Everett 15 seems high to me, I'm I
Andrew 'm good with it. And these are these all look really good like and and in the way of a swatch collaboration, they're they they hold the fun of swatch
Everett design-wise I'm into it, yeah. Watches
Andrew I I'm'm for it
Everett . Um Monet and Pol
Everett lock models retail for 115 while the Diga and Klee
Everett . So the Diga and K
Everett lee are the smaller, the 34
Everett . You know, that's the other thing. A a
Andrew 34mm swatch is too sm
Everett all, like for me, with my seven and a quarter inch wrist. I put on a
Everett thirty-four millimeter. I mean you're the same, right
Andrew ? Identical.
Everett So I put on a 34mm
Everett swatch and it's just too small
Everett for me. Yeah, they're looking for my taste. And a 41 millimeter swatch is too big. I don't want a 4
Everett 1 millimeter swatch. I mean it's not too big. It it works
Everett . But I want a sm I I want us I want my swatch to be small, but not
Andrew yeah, but you're not child. But you're not buying Jackson Pollock inspired watches.
Everett Maybe I would at
Andrew 38. Maybe. Ye
Everett ah, seriously. I'm not joking
Andrew . I don't know. Don
Everett 't give me that fucking side eye.
Andrew I don't know. I think you just want to 38
Everett , maybe. No, I I I don't dis
Andrew agree that 38 or the 34 and 41 are weird.
Everett It's such a huge gap.
Andrew It it is a huge gap. Uh and we're not gonna see a thirty-six or a or a thirty eight come in as an intermediary.
Everett But these are their sizes. I mean, these are what standard swatch watches come in. I I
Andrew just or dickhead
Everett . Yeah, it's weird to me. But
Andrew I love them. The the design on them is all phenomenal.
Everett I think that my favorite is the dick. Um, alth
Everett ough the Pollock is good too
Andrew . They're all good
Everett . Yeah
Everett . Yeah, these are good
Andrew . Yeah, like it it like sort of unexpectedly so.
Everett Yeah. Ye
Everett ah. Uh no, I'm into it
Everett . Dancers in green and yellow. Um
Everett Um Yeah shit, man
Andrew . Why are these so good?
Everett I don't know. I wonder like who's designing
Andrew them on the swatch side. Like who's because you see a lot of art, you know, we talked about the the the the booby seconds or the booby hands.
Everett The constant. Yeah the the
Andrew the constant um where it was a weird interpretation that just like it it it didn't quite work. These interpretations do a similar thing from the art that inspired them
Everett . Yeah, these are good. As opp
Andrew osed to just being like, I was inspired, and then I made Googly Eye Boobies
Everett . T so no t
Andrew its out. We're just keeping it up
Everett . Tissot. Um so uh so
Everett this is an interesting one for me because
Everett I read the highlight, the the headline,
Everett Tissot adds two fresh new colors to its PR516, 38mm power bag 8
Everett 0. And I'm like, oh yeah, I remember that watch. The PR516. So this is a very ol
Everett d reference for a Tissot. It's like a 1950s uh line for a Tissot. And in 2024, I believe, or maybe 2025, they released its their their sort of three-hand time and date PR516, which was meant to be it's
Everett a 38 millimeter
Everett H case sort of racing inspi
Everett red affordable watch
Andrew . And a Macy's skin diver.
Everett And it kind of. Yeah. So
Everett but the dimensions are good. It's thirty-eight by eleven eig
Everett hteen with a forty-four with a great forty-four millimeter lug to lug. Uh we got a hundred meters of water resistant, we got power matic mov
Andrew ement, we got a 2 mil0limeter lug width
Everett . Uh, they're available for like 825 US dollars r
Everett etail. And I'm like, and and they've just released these in two new colors. They'
Everett ve released these in a white, sort of a silvery white and a degradé or a uh ombre like teal faded to black on the outside. I'm like, gosh, these are great
Everett colors. Uh the originals
Everett had like some more like racy vibes, but these are both really good, like non-objection
Andrew . Not racy in the way of like
Everett Yeah, not like exposed nipples, but like
Andrew Or even like threatening of exposed nipples, but more like like auto sports.
Everett Correct, correct. Motorsports.
Everett Um, and you know, so of course these are
Everett we've just talked about this ad nauseum. These are three hertz power matic
Everett eighty movements. And I'm like, gosh, why did we take why I I why didn't I talk about these more? Because this is kind of like a hit. This is sort of an affordable hit. And these new colors are great. The silver's like
Andrew slam dunk. The dimensions are
Everett fantastic. And then I rem
Everett embered. what it was You remember what it
Everett was, Andrew
Andrew ? No. F
Everett ixed bezel. Oh, there
Andrew it is. I remember talking about it. And we'd be we were like why why are you gonna give me a 60 minute bezel that doesn't rotate yes
Everett oh man it was the
Andrew what the fuck is going on here i remember that conversation so clearly, because we were like how, do you do everything right? But perhaps the simplest thing.
Everett I feel like we were sitting in this exact spot when we talked about it
Andrew .
Everett No, objectively we were. Yeah. O
Andrew ur legs were probably even crossed the same way.
Everett I was just like, what
Andrew the f yes? Oh, this is
Everett such a cool watch. But it's
Andrew not. It's odd paper. It looks
Everett great. I was like, why? I don't understand. I don't understand why we took a pass on this. Why aren't we talking about this watch
Andrew ? It's so uncharacteristic for Tissot to miss in such a big way.
Everett The crown is great, the bracelet is good, the
Andrew fonts are good. I just I don't see the like I even even with a lot of uh design decisions that get made, I can I can accept the decision-making tree that got them there. I don't see the decision-making tree that gets you to a fixed 60-minute bezel on a skin diver. Just what is objectively a skin diver that is designed entirely by this era of watches. I just I don't uh I don't see how how that oversight was made. Because Tiso doesn't do that. This isn't citizen. This isn't Bolova who can get 90% of the way and then just shit in the bed and roll around and be like, oh
Everett covered in shit. The case looks great
Everett . It's got these ribbon champers. Yeah, I I really find that such
Everett a baffling decision. I'm w
Andrew ondering because I haven't I've only ever seen renderings of this. I'm wondering if it's a fixed bezel because it's more of a sport watch bezel with just printing on it, like if it's not actually a bezel that could functionally rotate. Right, because we've only seen renderings of this.
Everett What are you talking about? Like look at this
Andrew . This isn't a bezel that can rotate. But if you were to add a 60-minute track to it for merely the appearance, you know, look at you're wearing a speed master right now. That's not a rotating bezel. Perhaps that's the thinking. Are you not wearing your speedy
Andrew ? Are you wearing your speedy?
Andrew Perhaps that's the thinking behind it. And and I may maybe if if
Everett you could if you could crack that door open.
Andrew That's that watch isn't wound.
Everett It's wound. I just didn't set it. My
Andrew man. I wound
Everett it this morning and it's just been on my wrist on
Everett set all day. Uh
Andrew maybe that's where we're
Andrew at. I don't know man. I I mean
Everett But I I I I honestly I don
Andrew 't see a there's no reasonable explanation. Yeah, I I it's a head
Everett scratcher for me. And and I as soon as I
Andrew Because if you put a tack on it instead of a 60 minute, I accept. I don't like, but I accept
Everett . Sure. But
Andrew we've got a 16 minute that doesn't what the fuck? Ye
Everett ah, no, you know what, Andrew? That's a really good point
Everett . If it had attack meter on it, I'm fine with it. But it's got a 16 minute count. I mean
Everett it's got a dive as a line. I
Everett it's this is a weird one for me, dude
Everett . Um because ever
Everett ything else is pretty cool. I am
Andrew I forgot about this watch because I hated it, because
Andrew it just confused me. Yeah, I'm hard pr
Everett essed to be able to say anything good about it. Bes besides all
Everett the good things, right? Pretty soon we're gonna see a P
Andrew RX with a 24-hour bezel that doesn't rotate
Everett . Yeah. Yeah. It's such a weird anyway, these new colorways are gre
Andrew at. They really are
Andrew . Uh and it just it it's like, well, cool.
Everett You know, even like cause it's not a it's not like a uh I don't know what the retail on these is.
Everett Uh PR They
Andrew 're gonna be under 800 bucks.
Everett Yeah, so 594 on Joma for the black with the red secondhand. So $60
Everett 0, which is uh uh
Everett not expensive,
Everett but also not nothing
Andrew . No, that's a that's a that's an emotional experience to spend that kind of money on a watch.
Everett Even if someone, even if someone writes me and they're like, hey Everett, you know about these things, I really want to watch. I've got a $60
Everett 0 budget. I want it to be these things. I want it to be automatic. I
Everett want it. Like for me, this is such a
Everett hard sell. This doesn't even enter
Andrew the conversation. It
Everett well, but for me, but but uh you say that, but like for me, if this has a perhaps
Everett a tack meter, or if it has, although a
Everett tack meter doesn't work for a for a three hand. If this has a rotating bezel
Andrew , a not neutered bezel
Everett , I and and they say, you know, I really like
Everett , you know, the H case for instance. That's
Everett something someone might figure out that they like without knowing
Everett . Right? Yeah,
Andrew it's something that's recognizable that that can grab your attention. And we
Everett I you know, I don't know what it is about this watch or this watch, but I really like these. Oh, you like an HKS. Like this might be on a list, but with this bezel, with this, uh like I don't think I could put it like there's just other things. I'm like, sorry, you don't want that. Like, in fact, if someone calls me and say, Everett, I'm gonna spend 600 bucks, I'm thinking about this, I'm gonna be like, well, hold on.
Andrew I'm gonna talk them out of it. Hold on.
Everett Let's look at some other things because this
Everett has this problem. And I think
Everett you can do better. Yeah, an objecti
Andrew ve problem. I think you can do better.
Everett Why don't you look at this you know
Everett PRS or or whatever it is right look at these look at these different watches that are not crippled in the
Everett way this one is ye
Andrew ah that's how I feel about it. Ye
Everett ah. Yeah. Like it's not just like a wat
Everett ch snob thing. It's like even for my friend who doesn't have many watches. I'm like, be careful. That's a shitty watch.
Andrew Well, it's it's it's doing a watch that is doing a thing that doesn't make sense. And it doesn't make sense objectively from any brand. And it really doesn't make sense from a brand that knows better
Andrew . When it doesn't it doesn't have to be
Everett that way. I I mean what how what would it cost to have slapped a your fucking T SO Just a fu
Everett cking friction bezel. Be fine.
Andrew It would be fine. I mean that would be weird. But
Everett it would be fine no a friction
Andrew bezel on like a nineteen fifties
Everett sure i'm uh i'm for
Andrew that sure like i i fuck around with that
Everett yeah so the pr 516 mechanical
Everett is a watch that is a racing chronograph that comes with a chronometer. Chronometer? Attackometer
Andrew ? It's different than a chronometer.
Everett But it's got it's got a a manual wound val
Everett ue a05 it's a twenty one hundred dollar watch but
Everett it it's effectively I mean it's effectiv
Everett ely the same watch and it's just way fuck
Everett ing cooler. So if they
Andrew just drop that bezel I don't yeah, I don't get it. One I I will say I've noticed Yeah look
Everett at this fucking thing. Ooh
Andrew fuck me. I mean it's 2
Everett 100 bucks. It's the same
Andrew watch. It's just a chronograph. I don't know
Everett that it's better finished. Look at the ribbon
Everett chamfer on that. Is it the
Andrew same? Bracelet'
Andrew s different. Yeah, I mean everything. It's just a little diff
Everett erent. And the end length fits better, but right? I mean
Everett . Anyway. Yeah, fuck with that. Long story short
Andrew . This is a weird. T
Everett SO Yeah, this is this is a weird
Andrew uh thing from TSO. Something I've noticed, uh I've been wear my Doxa quite a bit. Um
Everett I really like the new PowerMatic 80 PRX. Anyway, go ahe
Andrew ad. It doesn't tak
Andrew e anything to rotate
Andrew my bezel.
Andrew I guess not a problem, right? Because I'm not I'm not doing any kind of diving or I'll rot
Everett ate your bezel. You do rotate my
Andrew bezel. Uh I frequently will look down at my watch after just like normal wear. I'm not like banging into shit. And my bezels rotated, you know
Everett . Like all watches? 30 deg
Andrew rees. All
Everett watches? What do you mean?
Andrew Is that happening with my doxa? Oh, just your doxa. Oh,
Everett got it. Got it. Yeah, just that. It'
Andrew s it's such an easy rotating bezel that just like life interaction will rotate it.
Everett Sure. I don't know if that's a
Andrew problem, being it that I I don't wear it underwater uh nor do I rely on it for survival underwater. It's just a thing that I've noticed.
Everett Yeah, I mean maybe consider that
Everett when you dive the next time.
Andrew Yeah, I think if I I think if I'm under water, uh what I'm wearing on my wrist will be not even remotely uh in my mind.
Everett Well it's first and foremost it'd be like why the fuck am
Andrew I underwater? It matters to me because
Everett after I finish after you finish struggling I'm gonna take it so
Andrew It will be wound. I do tend to wind and set my watches when I wear them
Everett . I recommend the Cartier
Andrew . 100 meters of water resistance.
Everett All right, keep going. What's next
Andrew ? We have not gotten through many of our watches tonight
Everett . We only had like eight
Everett . Yeah, yeah, we're not gonna
Andrew get through ten. Um Um make a scene over there.
Andrew Oh, the boys. At notice.
Everett Zee Boys.
Andrew We have a new sector de
Andrew ep Pioneer
Andrew with a really
Andrew interesting gre
Andrew en. And I say interest
Andrew ing because it's doing a
Andrew couple uh color uh
Andrew effects all at
Andrew once. We have a north to south kind of radiation and a little bit of an ombre feel. So the the 12 o'clock is like nigh on white and the six o'clock is black and it gradiates down
Everett what other thing is it doing but
Andrew it's also ombreing'.s It darker in the middle and then gets lighter out. It it's an
Everett I disagree with your second point. I think it's just a vertical gradient
Andrew . But I don't think you're exactly right. I'm not gonna argue because there's no reason to
Everett where the fuck is he going with these? But
Andrew it is it's a
Andrew cool color effect on
Andrew this. And like for for a
Andrew super deep G
Andrew MT cool color I'm I'm on board. Ye
Everett ah no the colors on this is great this is the n h34 gmt
Andrew no dissector d 500 meters of water
Everett resistance this is a rad watch just the light
Andrew texturing on the dial is really good the fonts are really good uh everything, I mean it's this it's super deep. I love it. And
Everett yeah, no, I'm I'm and it's affordable. It's
Andrew 625 bucks. Cool. Hey, I'm looking at getting this watch. It's cost six hundred dollars. Uh
Andrew oh don't get that T so
Andrew please for the love of God. But
Everett consider this. This is
Andrew different, but but consider
Andrew this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Everett , and and you know, dimensionally, I I think I I tend to think that this watch is gonna be a behemoth, but it's
Andrew only forty two millimeters. And it's it's thirteen six thick, right? So it'
Everett s forty-two millimeter bezel on
Everett a thirty-eight millimeter case. Yeah. So
Everett this is just the nor I I it's not
Everett the normal sector case. It's it's a it's a modified sector case, but it's the sector case dimension. M
Andrew m-hmm with a
Andrew with a little bit bigger bezel. It's thicker though, and and that's that's kind of where the wrinkle comes in. You might not have heard that, but Everett sneezed a bunch.
Everett That was a triple, yeah
Andrew . A quadruple axle, ladies and gentlemen. We saw it here ahead of the Olympics. Uh so
Andrew but forty-two millimeter bezel, thirty-eight millimeter case, and thirteen sixth thick, which is not
Andrew for five hundred meters. I that I have no I
Everett the fact that you unmuted
Andrew the uh I have no qual
Andrew ms with thirteen six at five hundred meters.
Everett Yeah. Especi
Andrew ally with how compact the rest of the case is. And
Everett a GMT. Yeah, with
Andrew a forehander. This is a really fantastically sized and specked watch for the same amount slightly more than uh the watch that you could get without a rotating bezel. Yeah
Everett . Yeah, no, yeah. It's uh well it's it's less money than that watch
Andrew . It's really good. I I love this green on it too.
Everett And it's a I mean it's a it'
Andrew s a loom monster. It it's
Everett calling that? It glows in the daylight.
Everett And that green I think is maybe like slig
Everett htly metallic. It's just it with
Andrew just like a gentle texture that like makes it really pop.
Everett Yeah, I I mean I think that this is maybe like
Andrew and a left-handed crown, like
Everett notice just really leaning as far into its design language as they possibly could. They're like, what if we take our design language and just right up to 11
Andrew just just gave it a little little b
Andrew ump and and let's let's see what what turns out
Everett let's squish it a little bit no, I like
Everett i like the direction notices going with this rele
Everett ases. I think that they've been sort
Everett of releasing like they'
Andrew ve been kind of quiet. Here's a new dial. Yeah,
Everett and I I kind of like that. And this is this is a really cool watch. Um
Everett which I which I I think is a an
Andrew interesting s sign of maturity of not like here's eight new watches and nine new versions of each of these watches.
Andrew Andrew, is this a gold G
Everett MT hand? It looks like
Andrew it, but I I can't I can't tell if it's just because of the way the color is playing, but it it it is not
Andrew silver. Yeah
Andrew , I can't I'm trying to figure out. It's not the same color as the as the other hands. Ma
Everett ybe it's like yellow. I think maybe y
Andrew ellow. Painted yellow. Or perhaps even or perhaps even green. Oof. But
Everett like a like a yellow avocado green
Andrew . Yeah. Well
Andrew it it's it's it this is a great wat
Everett ch. I mean then it this is just a noticector deep GMT, right? So that's which is to say they've done this before, but it's a really cool dial
Andrew . It's a yeah, it's a really good color release
Everett . Um, I've got I think
Everett two more watches. We don't have to talk about both of these. Well I, mean,
Andrew both of them if I want to. Hey, give me that thing.
Everett Uh Orient Star has rele
Everett ased what they're calling the M45 F8 Mech
Everett anical Moonase ph handb
Everett inding. Orient star, if you didn't know, is Orient sort of like
Andrew upscaled. It's their
Andrew their king Seiko
Everett . Not quite grand Seiko
Everett upgrade, but you know, in the z
Andrew one. In the zone, right? So
Everett they unveiled a
Andrew uh a twofer of sort of dr
Everett essy
Andrew I would say dress
Everett y, sort of classically insp
Andrew ired moon phase
Everett watches with the same with the
Everett same basic
Everett moon phase complication and layout
Everett . We've got a regular classic
Everett collection white dialed M45. This is something that is just in production. You can buy it. And then we
Everett 've got the sort of star of this show
Everett , I believe, which is a 140-piece limited edition with a textured gray gradient dial that
Andrew they say is inspired by the Pleiades star clus
Everett ter and
Andrew it's gonna follow
Andrew some late on that shit
Everett . Um okay su
Andrew re sure Orient and and I
Everett can see it right you've get like this sort
Everett of like Milky Way band
Andrew across the dial. It looks terrific.
Everett In fact, I'm just gonna go out and say as as uh much as I had to uh restrain myself while uttering inspired by the Pleiades Star
Andrew Cluster. It it looks fun
Everett . Oh, it's gorgeous. Phenomenal. Um,
Everett so both of these watches utilize the Orient's newest in-house hand winding caliber, the F-8A62, which has a 70R power
Everett reserve. Uh these are uh now now
Everett here's where it gets a little funky. So
Andrew this is a 39 and a half mil
Everett limeter watch. Fine, you're Orient. It's Jap
Everett anese. 39 and a half millimet
Everett ers by 12 thick.
Andrew So this is that a moon phase? L
Andrew ike I think maybe we're still in the zone.
Everett No, no, no. So this
Andrew is a dressy watch,
Everett and 12 millimeters for this thing's unacceptable. Um
Andrew it's a beautiful moon phase, but it doesn't handwind moon
Andrew phase. I think that is too thick. It does not
Everett make sense at twelve. Uh the hands are gorgeous.
Andrew The blued hands on the white dial or I it's like a
Everett wrapped blue hand. They're what
Andrew make me prefer the white dial.
Everett Um we've got
Andrew really, really lovely,
Everett elegant, extended Roman numeral or elongated Roman numeral markers
Everett . This is like all of the th
Andrew ings that shitty O
Everett rient does that you kind of groan at, but not in the way that Shitty Orient does it
Andrew . Yeah. Everything is
Andrew executed so well
Everett . It's all the things that Ori
Andrew ent is aspiring to do.
Everett That's right. That's right. This is that'
Andrew s right, Andrew. This is these they've
Everett this is the watch that Orient would release if they made nice watches
Andrew . If if they could like achieve their dreams.
Everett So minus that
Everett dimension, I'm looking
Everett at this thing and I'm thinking, gosh, yeah, this is pretty good. 70 hours of power reserve
Everett plus 15 minus five seconds per day. Hand wow, we've got a pin pusher for the adjusting the moon phase. 20 millimeter lug opening. Beautiful movement exposed movement on the see-through case back we do have that Epson branding which
Everett which Orient does that I always that I think in
Everett a watch like this is a little like a bit of a head scratcher but um three three bars of
Everett water resistance, fine. It's a moon ph
Everett ase, although it's a 12 millimeter moon phase
Everett . Here's where I'm like, oh, I strugg
Andrew le with this. I strugg
Everett le with this. This, the standard produ
Everett ction is
Everett three thousand four hundred and thirty
Everett five dollars. The
Everett limited edition three thousand seven
Everett hundred and05
Andrew . Uh I don't see it. I don't see. I don't see it
Everett . I you know, I I
Andrew you don't get to you don't get you don't get to upcharge because you fin
Andrew ally didn't fuck it up. I
Everett I it is r I mean, I find
Everett it really difficult to under
Everett stand I
Everett find it really difficult to understand what they could
Everett possibly be going for here. I me
Everett an I don't see the you know when I think
Andrew of when I think of
Everett a three thousand dollar moon phase. I mean you've got like
Andrew a really a lot of compet
Everett ition here. That that uh
Everett Tudor ninete
Everett en twenty six moon phase I think is
Everett cheaper than that. I think that's like a twenty-
Everett five thousand dollar watch. There's any number of longes that come in at
Everett under the the master collection moon
Everett phases. Um
Andrew gosh. Yeah, I know. I
Everett struggle here, man. I think
Everett even the like like the la
Everett unching flagship heritage moon phase is cheaper than this. Uh
Everett maybe not MSRP, but cer
Everett tainly like what you can actually get it for
Andrew . I think that's tough, d
Everett ude. Yeah, that's a hard pill to sw
Andrew allow. I mean, what does it actually sell for
Everett ? Maybe that's something that we need to be like that that we need to add to the conversation because
Andrew that's a yeah. If it's more
Everett than about two grand actual
Everett price. They're not gonna sell who
Everett who wants this watch? Who buys that watch?
Andrew I don't know. Orient fanboys
Everett . Have you ever met one of those?
Andrew I don't live in Asia. So much of Orient and Orient Star is inspired by Asian market design desires
Andrew and and we're not that
Andrew . We just objectively aren't.
Everett Look at this right now, Om
Everett ega Speedmaster Moon Phase on Chrono 24 for $2,900. Two-tone used obviously Automatic movement. Like you've got choices, Andrew. You can have
Everett that or you
Everett can get the Orient. I'll even give you the Pleiades Star Cluster
Andrew . I'll get the LE.
Andrew Uh I think I'm I think I'm g
Andrew onna get the two-tone speedy. You're gonna go with
Everett the speedy, yeah. Because that's the fucking right decision.
Everett I I mean I I I th I like that
Andrew even independent of the Ye
Everett ah, it's actually kind of radic. Yeah. I mean it's like uh cheap, like it's like a Django bracelet. Like, this is not the nicest Speedmaster that's ever been sold, but
Andrew no, but it could be my favorite Speedmaster I ever bought
Everett . Good point. Yeah, I I don't know Orient. Th
Andrew ree thousand thirty five hundred bucks? Orient and Orient Star they're they're brands that are like they
Andrew they you know, my first
Everett what kind of market power do they have in Japan? I mean do they have the market power to pull this off? I
Andrew don't know. My my second watch purchase was the orient makeup right and it was very intentional uh and an orient how
Andrew did we get through so few watches? I
Everett don't know. What happened?
Everett I'm you've been waxing
Andrew poetic on all of them. Have I been tal
Everett king a lot? So much.
Andrew Uh yeah, I don't know. I just I struggle with Orient, even though it's a brand that like that brought me into this space. Uh you know, kind of coming through that it's such a flawed brand. And it does so many weird things. And it it's you know, in the last 10 years, has Has kind of moved away from a lot of the things that really drew me to Orient. Uh it's done a couple things. You know, it reduced the size of the Bambino. Uh you know, we have the Ray and what's the other one, the Kama Su introductions and the con the uh the Kano and um some really interesting and meaningful
Andrew , affordable watches
Andrew , but then so much of their stuff is just so
Andrew bad. Well, and and look, obviously or Orient
Everett Star is a different class than Orient.
Everett Um we know that I haven't put my hands on
Andrew this. It this so it may be just stunningly finished, etc. etc. No doubt about it. It there's all sorts of ways that they could get to an actual value there. I I personally struggle with
Andrew I've you and I have both handled a lot of Grand Sago
Andrew . Yeah. And at
Andrew what point have you ever had your hands on Grand Seiko and been like, oh, here's the difference. Here's the the tr the value here. Every single time. Yeah.
Everett Every time I pick one up. Really? Oh, I forgot how nice these are.
Andrew Oh man, every time I'm like, gosh, I love it and I don't see it. Like I just I don't there there is an objective problem here. And because of this objective problem, I can't overcome the everything else.
Everett Well, it besides that
Andrew that teapot watch. That was the first Grand Seiko I ever handled that. I was like, oh, you did it
Andrew . I do think that whatever that is, whatever that thing is, is subjective, right
Everett ? Whether or not you want that. But I do think it's
Andrew possible that that Orient.
Everett I do think it's possible that Orient is capt
Everett uring some of that type of thing with
Andrew this watch. And and so obviously we haven't had hands on it. Could be that they're doing those things really well. But for me, I struggle
Everett when I see oh it's the twelve millimeter, which
Everett is say Grand C Echo does the same thing. So oh okay
Everett . It it just seems like a lot of money for what it is
Andrew . And and maybe that's just our market. Like we don't appreciate Ori
Everett ent and and you know if you've if you've got one of these things and you love it, just write us and tell us why. I'd be curious to hear. But um yeah, again, I struggle a little bit. It
Everett feels like it's a really hard market space
Everett for it to try to play ball in
Andrew . Yeah. Yeah, because they're competing with some heavy hitters.
Andrew Not meaning to yuck anyone's gum. Right. Of course.
Andrew No, yuck your gum.
Andrew He's had two beers, folks. Yeah, this is
Andrew this is a watch that's like coming into a heavy hitter price category and is objectively coming in with much more significant weaknesses than other wat
Everett ches. Okay, quickly
Everett we we do have a couple watches that we didn't get to
Andrew , so we'll kind of speed round them. Um
Everett working with Le Jou Peré,
Everett Alpina has released its first ever solar watch specifically the alpineer extreme
Andrew solar metre sol
Everett ar metre did you send me that link
Andrew um it's that pink one this is a it's an alpine or extreme it comes in a 10.19 millimeter case with a
Everett solar with a solar power with
Everett photovoltic uh dial and movement. Pretty cool stuff. U
Everett h pricing is not ob
Andrew scene, which is to say I think it's under
Everett $1,000 or right at about
Everett $1,000 on a strap or $1,200-ish dollars, $1,300
Everett with a bracelet. Pretty good shit from a pretty cool brand.
Andrew Yeah, I'll I I love helpina.
Everett Um we've got a
Andrew good colorways out of this. They they
Everett really do. We've got to watch. I thought we
Everett were gonna get to it, but we didn't. Um Procedus
Andrew has released a thirty-eight mil
Everett limeter of its wildly popular jungle field watch, which is
Everett a thirty-four millimeter watch. And what
Andrew got me scared was that it's the headline introduces larger versions of its jungle field and I was thinking about it. This is gonna be a fucking 42
Everett or a 44. No, larger
Andrew in that it's a 38. They fine they made it the perfect size for this style of watch. Cor
Everett rect Amondo. And it comes in both,
Everett I appreciate this. It comes with both
Andrew white and sort of aged numer
Everett als. So if you want the white numerals, you can get them.
Everett It still has like a slightly pat
Andrew inated uh or pat
Everett ina loom in in either
Andrew event, but it but the white numerals I I do like
Andrew . It's it's white numerals with patinad uh kind of markers.
Everett Yes. Or not. That that's right
Everett . Um we've got
Everett , you know, I don't know enough about the Tertium, And
Everett rew, to talk about it. Uh
Andrew I think I'll leave this link open for next week
Everett . Okay. Um and then I can leave, I can leave that that mermont op
Everett en as well. So uh little preview for next week
Everett . Andrew, other things, what do
Andrew you got? Oh
Andrew my wife's grandpa came over on Thanksgiving. He's he's been he's a pretty uh proficient woodworker, uh because he's retired. He has nothing else to do. He's made everyone in the family end cut cutting boards like end grain cutting boards
Everett . Cool. He comes over to my house for
Andrew Thanksgiving and I'm using this plastic cutting board that I've had for like 15 years. C I'auseve always been kind of a proponent, uh, proponent for like if they use it in a commercial kitchen
Everett , that's what I should be using because it's cheap
Andrew , it's functional. Like I have global knives
Everett and Dexter Russell
Andrew . Yeah. Like two very opposite ends of the spectrum. Because I love having a good quality chef's knife, but I also like having a knife that I don't really have to care about. I can just treat it however the fuck I want to, sharpen it, and then if it doesn't work, I will throw it away. And that's kind of how I've had a cutting board for
Everett the last 20 years
Andrew . And he comes over and he roasts me. He's like, what are you using that cutting board for like this is my cutting board
Everett . What kind of cutting board is this? It
Andrew 's like San Juan. Like a white plastic. Yep. Just the white plastic. You can just rub it down with bleach and push it through the dishwasher and it's not a thing. U
Everett h but you like
Andrew roast me is like, well, why don't you use one of mine? Like, well, Roy, I don't have one of yours. So that is why. But then I was like, man, fuck that guy
Everett . I should get a wood cutting board
Andrew . Uh so I went down a deep rabbit hole. And everyone likes boost boards is kind of the thing. And there's a few others. Uh, but I went to the boost
Everett boards are real nice. They really
Andrew are. But I went to America's Test Kitchen and watched every available cutting board video and kind of without fail, Teak House, T-E-A-K-H-A-U-S. I'll send you my link. You know the what I'm talking about. Um was their pick over years of use. It's like they did stress tests and at the conclusion of their stress tests, they're like, oh yeah, by the way, this one won and we knew it would win because it's the one that we've been using in here for a decade. Uh and and it's an interesting kind so they use teak wood, which is kind of an interesting thought relative to other hardwoods. Um, but teak has a natural oiliness in the grains. Water
Everett resistance and
Everett used popularly on boats. Yeah. So
Andrew better water resistance than other hardwoods, but also an oil compound that uh holds moisture better so it requires less oil. It has in the test kitchen shown to be more durable, last longer. It was their preferred board over other more expensive boards, including booths, including like other much more expensive boards. So I went with the um
Everett also I think um Om
Andrew ega uses Teak on its dials
Everett on its Aqua Terra dials. They're teak dials
Andrew . Te
Andrew ak. Teak is a variety of
Andrew wood. Um so I got one and I measured out the space that I have. I have uh a kind of uh three-piece island with my range in the center of it, a prep sink on the right wing, and then an open space on the left wing. So I measured the space between my range and my prep sink, and I was like, I can exactly fit the big board.
Everett Oh, okay. So I got the
Andrew twenty fo byur eighteen without uh um what do they call it the juice
Everett sure the the reservoir or the
Andrew the not reservoir without the drain basically, on the board, because I hate that and I think they're really gross. I also don't like the way they look. Uh so I got a 24 by 18, they're one and a half inches thick, and I I got it and I put it on my counter and I was like I measured a hundred times and it fits. Uh I'll tell you the difference between cutting on like industrial plastic shit board. My dad sent me a bunch of like links to stainless steel boards and I was like, what the fuck? I've cut on glass boards before. The the difference
Everett your knife? Well, so and that's wh
Andrew y wood is typically the preferable cutting medium, because it's soft and it like absorbs your knife rather than bounces it or stops it. Sure. Um, and that's why people swear by N-grain, because it's even softer, but it's still hard.
Everett Yep. Um
Andrew , but then you have 10,000 glue joints. So this is a wide grain. So there's I don't know ten pieces of board. So 10 glue lines to to cause an issue. Uh the difference between the way your knife falls onto any of those other surfaces versus this surface night and day.
Everett Night and day, huh? Night and day. It
Andrew I was like, oh my god, why did it take me so long to convert to this? Like it's like pleasurable just to chop carrots. You
Everett 're pumped on it. Oh my gosh. It'
Andrew s phenomenal. Uh I I absolutely love it. Um I got it and I did not tell my wife that I was getting it. She walked inside and they well she and the kids walked inside and both my kids are like whoa cool and she's like well that's
Andrew big like
Andrew yep that is big and they were like why'd you get that and I was like it's antimicrobial it looks nicer it's easier to clean she's like it's big and I was like it's antimicrobial it looks nicer it's easier to clean you just have to wipe it you don't have to scrub it. Uh she's still getting accustomed to it, but I love it.
Everett That's great. And it's it's so much
Andrew like it's 50% more workspace than I previously had on a cutting board, so I'm like super pumped by the amount of work space that I
Everett sure like usable space that I have.
Andrew Love it. So and and it's a hundred bucks. That's like almost a forgettable costost for something that you're gonna have for if you don't take care of it, 15 years.
Everett Are the are the end-grade models
Everett more expensive? They are more expens
Andrew ive. Uh and Test Kitchen did a part of their experimentation for their preferred board included N-grain uh and wide grain boards and they found there was no actual benefit to N-grain versus wide-grain
Everett . Besides that it looks cooler. It
Andrew does look cooler. Okay., Okay okay but it in in in uh like application.
Everett Yeah it doesn't it didn't keep their kniv
Andrew es sharper, which is why people are like, oh in grain's it, because it's softer and absorbs your blade better and it doesn't dull it. They actually found that wood boards were not any better than any other board to keep your knife sharper.
Everett Oh interesting
Andrew . Yeah, just sharpen your shit. Ingrain looks nicer, like they're they look cooler.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Wide grain's cheaper. And they also are beautiful.
Everett Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. And you don't get the geometric pattern and yours lo
Everett oks great. Uh but yeah
Andrew , I'm I'm all it a hundred bucks. W
Everett ell Andrew, I've got another thing. Do we? Uh I had a uh
Everett wood project. Oh uh I'm gonna call it a wood
Everett working project, although that's kind of an ex
Everett aggeration. Uh more a
Andrew like sort of interior
Andrew . Home improvement project. Home improvement pro
Everett ject. Yeah. Basically, we have
Everett we have built-in shelving in our
Everett closet, but it was really insufficient. It wasn't very well thought out or very well planned. So uh Pro
Andrew ject Impro
Everett ve the Shelving in our walk-in closet uh came about. I
Andrew have done this in two phases. So I did the
Everett first phase about two years ago
Everett , and really the process invol
Everett ves cutting shelves to
Andrew shape and
Everett um installing them on bracing. And the bracing is essentially like trim
Andrew boards that the shelf sits on top of.
Everett It's built in, so it looks finished and it looks nice. Um, but but it requ
Andrew ires sort of And so she's using quarter rounds as the
Everett It's not quarter rounds. No, it's like uh like a one by two
Andrew . Okay. Um
Andrew that the shelf kind of sits on top of
Everett . Uh you put it around you you put it you know 270 degrees around so so it's got anyway long long story short it requires
Everett no it doesn't require but
Andrew it does. You're greatly imp
Everett roved. The experience is greatly improved by Brad nailing. Brad nailing. This is a Brad nailed project
Everett . And when I did the first ph
Everett ase two years ago, Andrew, I borrowed your air compressor and brad nailer. You did. And it worked very well. Uh everybody
Andrew knows a brad nailer, you know, you plug a
Everett you know, you plug a pose into
Everett the bottom of it. It makes those
Andrew cool noises. It does. And it worked
Andrew . It worked really well. This
Everett time around, I had a couple choices. One, I could
Everett say, hey Andrew, can I cut borrow your Brad Taylor again? And you'd say yes of course and then I'd come over and get it and then it would be at my house for the next 18 months until you needed it
Andrew again. And uh
Everett but I will tell you, I didn
Andrew 't love the process. You know, the the
Everett compressor's noisy, you've got the hose,
Andrew and it's cumbersome.
Andrew So it uh I I
Everett saw a tool come up. W
Everett ell, as I was looking for Brad nailer, actually,
Andrew what I did first is I went to Harbor Freight and was looking
Everett for like I'm gonna get an air compress
Andrew or and brad nailer combo
Everett . And I'm just gonna have my own. And then I'll have an air
Everett compressor for whenever I need air compressor things.
Andrew I'll get a pancake air compressor, because
Everett that's a thing to have. And I'll get a breadna
Andrew il. Now, Harbor Freight Bradnailers, I
Everett think, would be fine. Uh, they're like they're inexpensive.
Andrew Well and and harbor freight tools work six times.
Everett Which is enough for me. Yeah, yeah. For
Andrew most people. And and the air compressors
Everett , they have pretty good air compressors, but they get
Everett are more expensive it it's like
Andrew because they have good air compressors they're good air
Everett compressors so it's like you know I'm looking at all of a sudden okay well I'
Everett m kind of an expensive tool for this project and how much am I gonna use it? Anyway, at the end of the day, I see on Harbor Freight they have,
Andrew I think it's their, it's not the Her
Everett cules brand, it's the red Bauer
Andrew . They have a Bauer
Everett battery-powered, battery
Everett -powered, lithium-ion-powered
Everett . Brad nailer. And I'm like
Everett , whoa, that
Everett 's cool. But I don't have any Bau
Everett er batteries because I am not in the Bauer Power Tool ecosystem. What I do have
Andrew tools that last more than six months. I
Andrew what I do have is a fuck ton of DeWalt lithium
Everett ion tools. And so
Everett I look this thing up tool only,
Everett 250 bucks. And
Everett I look up battery compality, compatibility
Everett , my all my uh several of my batteries will work with
Everett this thing. So I took a flyer on a
Everett 250 Brad nailer, battery-powered Brad nailer, DeWalt, and um, so I used one battery. I didn't use an XR battery, I used a one and a half ohm tiny. I used the smallest battery I have. And I got through the entire project, probably, let's see, 1
Andrew 5 satisfaction of hearing that
Everett true. Probably 40
Everett 0 brads. Do you just hear zzz
Andrew zzzz? It it no, it's
Everett got like a because it's got an
Everett internal compressor.
Andrew Oh. It compresses the
Everett air internally very quickly and releases it. So you push it in
Andrew . So it's like a like a pellet gun almost.
Andrew It's like a pellet gun. You push it in, it gathers a
Everett ir and then
Andrew uh all with
Andrew a battery and it happens really quick and it's not I think it's just as fast as an a
Everett ir compressor. I
Andrew there's no way it's not. It's cra
Andrew zy. It's doing the same thing. So
Everett here's what I think. If you need a Brad
Everett nailer once a ye
Andrew ar, maybe, or or even
Everett perhaps four times a year, for small projects
Everett , do not go with an air
Everett compressor model. I mean, the only reason you would need these is if you're going all day. You're going all day
Andrew . Or if you already have anything. Or if you already have that
Everett , that's that's a great that's a great point, Andre
Everett w. If you've already set up, it's very convenient. That works
Everett . But if you're like me and you're like
Everett at a sort of fulcrum point, like I've got to commit to hos
Andrew es and valves and
Everett blah blah blah blah blah or with the batteries I already have just go dude
Everett it was such a good experience
Everett even my nephew was like, this is rat. I was like, this is rat.
Andrew You're right about that. I was so curious
Andrew by what you were doing. This is rad. He he ever texted me, like, do you have iPro? I'm like, yes. And I need some context here. He's like, I I need some iPro for a home improvement project. And I was like, well I have a set that I would trust for my kids to wear. I'm obviously not gonna wear iPro during a home improvement project, so I expect that you're probably asking for a kid. So like I have one pair. Yes, you send him. And he your nephew came over and I gave him a pair of eyebrow. He's like, uh, this is just one. Like, like, yeah. No, your uncle's definitely not wearing eyebrow. This is for you.
Everett I'd wear glasses. I would wear eye pro. I mean, we're using like a table
Everett saw and like I just
Andrew I usually I I mean in fairness. I I do wear iPro when I'm doing stuff like that, but it's usually in like a well lit environment, so I wear like APEL sunglasses. Or the glasses that I loan to you.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it it was just the sort of thing
Everett where I think I have some. I don't know where they are.
Everett And we're like, we're at the table saw. Oh
Andrew no, we're at the the miter sa
Everett w. And I'm sort of explaining to him safety and like, you know, if anything happens, you just release the trigger, like we're walking through the table saw. And we st
Andrew art, we get, we're like plugged
Everett in and about to make our first c
Everett ut. And I was like, stop. I'm teaching you bad
Andrew things. Nobody's wearing eye or ear
Everett protection. We didn't wear ear protection, but we did wear eye protection. So
Andrew I always make the kid w kids wear uh ear muffs when we're working with power tools because I'd like them to be able to hear better. And that trackers
Andrew you've got little kids.
Andrew But also like my hearing is shit. Yeah for and and in in no small part to poor hearing hygiene practice with personal use power tools.
Andrew And and you know, maybe that's an oversight on my part. I probably should have done that. I just feel like like the odds of a piece of wood in his eye ruining our day are a lot higher than any potential injury
Everett to the ears. So Yeah, you're right
Andrew . The potential ear injury is like that long term. That like that's you know, like I'll smoke fifty cigarettes today. It's not a big deal.
Everett I will. Andrew, I
Andrew think we're done. Is there anything you'd like to
Everett add before we go? I'm just out of
Andrew things. Hey folks, thank you for joining us
Everett for this uh surprisingly long episode of 40 and
Everett 20, the watch clicker podcast. Do me
Everett a favor, go to our website. What what are you pointing at? I don'
Andrew t mute the music. Oh dummy,
Everett that's what happened. That's what happened
Andrew . There it is. You'
Everett re dealing with that, folks. That's what you get this week
Everett . Don't forget to go to our website watch clicker. That's where we post written things and photographs about
Everett watches almost entirely. U
Everett h if you want to follow us on social media, you
Andrew can do that
Everett on Instagram at 40 and 20 und
Everett erscore watchclicker at watchclicker.
Andrew Uh and this is the important bit. If you want to go to Patreon to support our very
Everett high production value and professionalism
Andrew . Patre
Everett on.com slash 40 and 20. Look, it actually does
Andrew cost really kind of a lot of money to keep this thing going at this point with hosting fees.
Everett Patreon.com just d
Everett rop a buck or five or wh
Everett atever you can afford a month. It is it is
Andrew what keeps the show going. Patreon.com
Everett slash forty and twenty. And don't forget to tune back in
Andrew next Thursday, Tuesday, for an
Everett other hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.