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Seiko Swings; Credor Hits (376)

Published on Tue, 13 Jan 2026 02:00:00 -0800

Synopsis

Andrew and Everett host another episode of the 40 and 20 WatchClicker Podcast, beginning with Everett's upcoming ski trip to Big Sky, Montana. The conversation touches on their skiing preferences, comparing various mountain resorts to watch brands (Vale and Whistler as Rolex, Big Sky and Jackson Hole as Jaeger LeCoultre).

The hosts dive into watch discussions, covering several new releases. They examine Seiko's SPB537 tonneau case Presage, critiquing its 12.5mm thickness while praising its enamel dial. They also discuss Seiko's limited edition 5 Sports models for Singapore and surrounding markets, featuring purple and brown colorways, as well as Seiko's 145th anniversary releases including a stunning King Seiko with guilloché dial work.

Other notable watches covered include the Synchron C Lab TI 300, a titanium dive watch at 11.9mm thick for under $1,000, which sparks discussion about the complicated history between Synchron founder Rick Murray and Doxa. They examine luxury pieces like the Credor porcelain dial Gold Feather at €15,000 and an ultra-high-end Cortella Volta dress watch at €25,500 featuring an Omega Caliber 266 movement with stunning hand-finishing. The episode concludes with Andrew's "other thing" about chef Nick DiGiovanni's Amazon show "Food Experiments," and Everett discussing his daughter's Bowie stylophone, a quirky electronic musical instrument.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the WatchClicker Podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you
Everett ? I'm good.
Andrew Excellent, glad to hear it. You're not tired, work isn't busy, timing wasn't all weird on the intro. U
Everett h no. No, I'm good. Thanks.
Andrew Uh I am
Everett I am coming off a busy week at work. I was really cramming this week in the office uh because I leave for Montana for four days tomorrow so um i will be be flying out and skiing for a number of days at big sky at the big sky mountain Resort. Uh, which is my first time there
Andrew . How do you guys choose your mountain resort locations? Cause you've done you did Vale last year, right? Maybe one other
Everett . Last year we did Jackson Hole and Alta. And then the year before that I did Alta Deer Valley Winter Park. And then what uh then the year oh no
Andrew . And then the year before that,
Everett oh no, I did winter park the year before that. So the
Andrew year, yeah. Anyway, we it's sort of dar
Everett kboard. We always go to Alta because Alta's terrific. Uh it's my favorite.
Andrew And then you just mix up for one or other trips throughout the year.
Everett Yeah, yeah. Sort of the like I said, sort of
Everett a dartboard technique. Um
Andrew you know, there's a few places that we really want
Everett to go, but I I guess when you're going to
Andrew Milan. Oh
Everett , I we've talked about this. We've talked about a like a Switzerland trip
Andrew . Um, or you know, certainly
Everett a European skiing trip. You you know, the expensive part about skiing in Europe is getting there and then lodging can can be expensive, but s actual skiing in Europe is super affordable and because of the way travel is in the EU. You know, you can get around really easy. So uh we've talked about that. We've also talked about a South American trip because with the Icon Pass we get access to a number
Andrew of South American
Everett resorts. And it's a different season, right?
Andrew Yeah, you could go in July. U
Everett h that's right. Yeah. So certainly in the summer, yeah. So um but yeah, yeah, you know, at this point, um there's so many places I haven't been, I don't mind. You know, I'm like down to go wherever. Uh it, you know, there's there's big resorts, obviously, Whistlervale, um, you know, Deer Valley, I guess to a certain extent, that I'm not super interested in. I'd much rather go to smaller resorts, not to say that Jackson Hole or Big Sky are smaller, but they don't get the same kind of pressure as some like a place like Vale or Whistler. So
Andrew Yeah, the the there's some status associated with weekending and at Whistler.
Everett Oh well, don't get it wrong. Yeah. There's some stat
Andrew us associated with Big Sky too, but not in the same way. Like at least in the way of like the commercialization of the entire thing.
Everett Yeah, you you know, Andrew, I I think it's a
Andrew little this is an interesting compar
Everett ison because it's uh and hopefully it'll be a good segue. I think it's a little bit like this. Uh Vale and Whistler are Rolex
Andrew . Uh
Everett uh Big Sky, Jackson Hole are Jaeger La Coultra
Andrew . Yeah. Get down with that.
Everett Right. Or or longa. Right. These are
Andrew very, very expensive
Everett . There you know. Driving through you you leave the the Jackson Hole airport and it's just like the richest people you've ever seen in your life. Which is crazy, right? You think this is it's Wyoming
Andrew . This is what y'all doing here. J
Everett ust the richest people on the face of the earth. So Deer Valley's the same way. You go to Whistler, it's like bros and subros
Andrew . Yeah. Yeah. So any
Everett way. Uh yeah, go and skiing. So this last week was busy. This next week will not be
Andrew . It will be in a different way. It will be in a different
Everett way. Yes. Yeah. How are you
Andrew ? I was just gonna ask uh real quick. Uh have you been doing your wall sits? Are you are you conditioned for this? Uh
Everett I have been doing wall sits. Um I have. I had an issue. I don't know if you remember this if I talked about this on the show. I've had an impinged impinged nerve this last year, which has caused numbness in my left quadricep. So, like literally, right now, I can't feel the sk
Andrew in in my left quadricep. Um
Everett , so that'll it's it doesn't affect my ability to do wall sits. It burns a little bit, but it should be an interesting that could be interesting.
Andrew Well, I think if it's numb, it means it won't hurt
Everett . Yeah, you know, you'd be surprised. It can both hurt and be numb at the same time. Oh
Andrew , I'm aware. Yeah. No, I'm I'm I'm aware.
Everett It you know, it's the weirdest thing. Like I cannot feel my fingers as I do this. I can't feel my fingers on my skin. But seriously, it feels like it's I just immediat
Andrew ely thought of that scene in Taladega Nights when Will Farrell drives the knife into his
Everett it is a little like that. Uh yeah no more it feels like I've gone to the dentist and
Andrew you know when you feel your cheeks. Little little residual Novocaine action.
Everett That's what it feels like. So uh sometimes it's better than others, but this weekend in particular, I had I did all my work, I did all my stretches today, all my PT stretches,
Andrew and your cagles. Uh I
Everett did those two. Uh Andrew, how are you
Andrew ? I'm good. I'm feeling a lot better this week. Uh I've kicked whatever, that cold that was just like hanging on. My head's back attached to my body. The congestion is mostly gone. U I like I can sleep through the night without waking up coughing my lungs out so I'm I'm calling it a win I'm feeling good bummer of a football weekend bummer of a football weekend. Um other than that, I'm I'm I'm good. I'm good. I'm I'm excited for your upcoming ski trip. I have no vacations on the horizon. Um so I'm jealous. I
Everett 'll ski for the both of us. Yeah, yeah. P
Andrew lease do. Because I don't think I'm gonna get on the snow this year. No? No. Wasn'
Everett t it? Was it wasn't Mark that was super pumped about it? He is
Andrew really pumped about it. And I was really excited for this season because I was excited to go with him. I'm just a little bit uh hesitant based off of my like early recovery timeline.
Everett Alright. Well, we've got you got 9
Andrew 0 days. 90 days to make these
Everett decisions. Uh in any event, we
Andrew 're not here to talk about skiing, although
Everett I do relish the idea of a skiing podcast. Um we're here to talk about watches because that's actually the podcast we have. For now.
Everett For now. For now.
Everett Do you want to kick us off? I am going
Andrew to kick us off with I think one of my favorite Seiko releases of the decade with the SPB537, a tonneau case returning to the brassage line, and this thing is just phenomenal. This is a really lovely tonneau case, small 24-hour hand, it just like great Roman numerals, glued hands, um, white enamel, black Roman numerals, 24-hour subdial, uh, good railroad track around the outside. Like this is this is the kind of thing that when you see, you kind of expect something to have just like a a problem with it because it's Seiko. It's a 35.9 millimeter case, 46 lug to lug. Here comes the little bit of the problem. It's 12 and a half thick. 6R5H movement, 50 meters water resistance, 1650 euros, which I think is right in that sweet spot for that brassage line. It's a little bit on the north edge. It's a little thick for me, but I, you know, the way the the proportions of this are with this gentle curve of the crystal that matches that tonneau curve, it it does it for me. I'm a rectangle watch person, and this is this is good. The clasp looks like it's probably gonna be a bummer. The bracelet's gonna be mid, but the watch itself is I'm look I'm I'm pretty good with this
Everett . Yeah, I mean it it's just it it's just too thick, right? I mean it's just objectively there's no reason for this watch. And it's probably too big too. I I mean it it's a rectangular tonneau. A north-south rectangular tonneau uh l long along the y-axis. Which is to say um which is to say that they could have this I think at thirty-six, even 35, and it would probably be really terrific. It probably should
Andrew be 35. I just don't understand. I just
Everett can't understand making this watch 12 and a half millimeters. You're gonna sell me a 1700 dress tonneau for eighteen hundred dollar dress tonne for at at at twelve and a half millimeter I I just I mean it's just it makes no sense to me I think it's beautiful the di this dial is really really nice it's an enamel dial, and you get uh there's a few places in particular the dip at the subdial, and then the dip under the two pinions where you get that enamel puckering. It's not puckering, but that enamel like sort of bowling, you know. The tension of the enamel actually creates a dip. It it is a stunning dial. A little busy, but I'm okay with that just make this fucking sensically size i just don't i like seiko is is like they just
Andrew i think part of the thickness is is an illusion because there is a lot of space between that dial and the bottom of the crystal. I think part of it is the upward curvature of the crystal just to create a bunch of space. Is it a
Everett curved crystal? It it looks like it. Yeah, it does look like it. I
Andrew don't see how it's not if you look
Everett at this profile picture. Yeah, I think it has to be
Andrew . Uh and I I think that's where you're getting a millimeter there
Everett . Yeah, maybe two. I I mean i it's it's fine. I I just think I I just think that Seiko is really missing the boat on case thickness. you know this would be a hit this would be a hit in 2010 right it would have been probably coming about 7
Andrew 00 bucks um
Everett it and people would have just gone apeshit over it. In 2026, we
Andrew 're we're past it, man.
Everett We're past it, Seiko. And and the case finishing looks terrific. I I disagree with you that the bracelet looks insufficient. I think this looks like a really good bracelet for Seiko. The end link is good. It
Andrew 's gonna be a Seiko bracelet though. I think
Everett this is I I I think they've done a good job with this bracelet. I'll just leave it at that. But um yeah, I man
Andrew . I'm I I like this
Everett . Well, I know it's too thick.
Andrew I still like it
Everett . Well I guess we stick with Seiko. Um
Andrew two lim
Everett ited edition Se
Everett iko V Sports in the SKX line. One of these being purple and one
Andrew of these being brown
Everett exclusive to Singapore Hong Kong Macau Malaysia and Brunei um which is interesting it's it's interesting anytime you see these limited editions, uh where you're like, wh
Everett y wouldn't you just sell these fucking everywhere?
Everett Um yeah, because these are
Andrew two cool colorways that I think would be really successful globally
Everett . Yeah, but then they wouldn't be affili
Andrew ated with the Thong song. Yeah
Everett , so what the what are they the Thong Sia Group? I assume that's a retailer
Andrew . It's a it's a song from I think the late nineties, early two thousands.
Everett Uh I assume that's a retailer. Um but you're getting these in at
Everett um Singaporean dollars
Everett three four hundred and30, which I
Everett think is about the same as a US dollar. Um, and and not much else to say about these. These are uh these are SKX, you know, 5KX Sports, SKX m models. We do have on the on both of these, we have a white section and a sapphire bezel. So sapphire bezel and and they've got two two colors. So white from twelve to twenty and then either purple or brown from twenty back to the top. Uh which is which is pretty attractive.
Everett Um but other than that, you know, 10 met0ers of water resistance, which is fift
Everett y more than that new pressage, and twelve point one thick, which is point four less than that new pressage
Andrew . Something notable. Uh
Everett uh, you know, uh hard lux Lumerbright
Andrew . Four hour movement though. Yada yada
Everett yada. Yeah, four four hour movement in these, which which is what we've come to expect. Um
Everett yeah, these are these are just great little
Everett limited editions. Seiko doing what Seiko does best, I think. And I the purple one here. I the brown, I'm kind of like whatever. It's got a bit of a grid on the dial for the brown one. This purple one, however,
Andrew has the same grid. I guess it's just not as uh
Everett not as pronounced. Not as pronounced, yeah. Um but the purple the color on the purple, both of these have like a sunburst dial underneath the grid and the purple is just a gre greatat, color.
Andrew And and I you know it's exciting in that purple because that's a new colorway. I've I've not seen that purple. We've all seen brown before.
Everett Yeah. Uh but it'
Everett s not guilt. Which usually when you have a bro
Andrew wn dial turns g gilted uh it just like happens. I don't think they mean to do it. I think once the brown hits, suddenly the markers and the handset turns gold and then it bleeds over into the bezel.
Everett Yeah. Um it's like infecti
Andrew ous. Sure. Uh but this didn't happen here. So they've also found a way to co uh to cure the the guilt cancer that spreads. So
Everett guilt cancer. Yeah.
Everett Uh what's next? It just happens and it
Andrew metastasizes quickly and it becomes real.
Everett Should we wrap up the Seiko talk by talking about the anniversary Seiko's that we didn't get to last week
Andrew ? Yes. So uh there were four anniversary Seiko launched last week. We kind of glazed over them because
Everett honestly
Andrew , they just theyh for
Everett me. None of them did anything for
Andrew me. Okay. Okay. Did any of these really like scratch an itch for you?
Everett Yeah, I I think they did, Andrew. So uh so we
Everett talked about this a little, but
Everett um uh the bigg
Everett est the biggest deal you're gonna get
Everett with these is is new dials. Um and and
Everett and and the kingseiko, I
Everett think is the best of these. So there are there are four of these: a King
Everett Seiko, a prospex,
Everett a presage, and an Astron. You will be uh if you're hoping to hear all about the Astron, it's a probably a different properly a different show. And you'
Andrew ll be pleasantly disappointed by it. Uh
Everett with that said, um I
Everett just starting with the King
Everett Seiko. So this is the 145th anniversary King Seiko, the KS in the KS 1969 series, um which nod
Everett s to Seiko'
Everett s founder, Kintaro Hottoris.
Everett We have a gradient sort of CNC
Everett geoche texture that is
Everett really, really st
Everett unning. Um, it's sort of a uh a set of
Everett rings that you get that get signific
Everett antly wider as you move to the outside of the dial
Everett . But because of the way the guiosh goes, you get like sort of these ovals and bands and curves, like it not an optical illusion, but as you look at as you concentrate on different aspects, you see different arcs and um
Andrew looks like looking into a kaleidoscope.
Everett That's right. Um we've got sort of a sunburst gray dial here with it like a brown, like a
Andrew oh the brown thing happened here. Brown
Everett and gold. Yeah. Um
Everett but this thing is beautiful. It's a 6L movement, 394
Everett across, and the 6
Everett L is thin. Uh this is coming out in February, limited 800 pieces, and it's 3
Everett 100 and I think these are com
Everett ing in at like just under 11 thick, which is great. And you get
Everett that sort of multi-piece uh bra
Everett celet that the King Seiko's do that I think
Everett is so so good. Um
Everett and then we get a prospect's calling
Andrew hang on with in that King Seiko. The marker at the 12 o'clock has uh like
Everett chevron down facing
Andrew chevrons that are pointing towards the middle and and on each of the left and right marker. Just at
Everett the twelve o'clock. And just at the twelve o'clock.
Andrew The double double marker at twelve o'clock. And that pulls like it it creates a really, really cool texture conflict with this concentric geosh and is just looks so
Everett so good. Just
Andrew doesn't have to be guilt. Yeah. I I don'
Everett t mind the guilt here. I think that's the it's fine in guilt
Andrew , but it doesn't have to be. Uh then
Everett we've got a prospex column wheel chronograph speed timer, uh which is sort of in this ne
Everett w hundred uh the 60-70 speed timer style they've done. But aga
Everett in, we get a I assume
Everett CNC Gyosh dial. We also have guilt on this one, and
Everett it's sort of a creamy white dial, a little it looks
Everett about the color of the Sarb. Uh I think it's a little
Andrew more metallic, a little more gold than the Sarb
Everett . Dang, this th
Everett ing is really, really good. Um, 700 pieces twenty five hundred dollars. Um
Everett , the pressage the this link that we have doesn
Everett 't have a picture of the Pressage. So we'll get a better we'll get a better link for the show notes. But um the Pressage they have is sort of a uh a pocket watch like a like a a wirelog pocket watch thing. Um
Everett and I I think it's my certainly my least favorite of the th
Everett ree automatics. Um
Everett but it's it's got its it's got its own it's got its own appeal. Um it is it is the way I is this a single look? I don't know what we call this. It it's basic
Everett ally got two lugs that are really close together that it's not a single lug, but the lugs are really close together and they just sort
Everett of sit off the case in nubbins and We're tal
Andrew king about the pressage. Yeah. I I
Andrew think I'd call that like a collar lug. Because it's almost like a pin and coll
Everett ar across the entire thing
Andrew . It's it's totally closed. It's it's closer to a wire lug than anything else.
Everett Yeah, it's not really a wire lug.
Andrew But the I don't know. And
Everett then really good, really good sort of uh fluted bezel on this
Everett , like old school, super thin fluting on the bezel, huge onion crown. Um,
Everett is this not my type of watch? It's kind of coming in on a a bit of a what do you call
Everett those leather straps that uh bunt it
Everett 's a little bit of a bunt strap which
Everett eh I don't know.
Everett It's interesting. It looks like a pocket wat
Andrew ch conversion lug and connection point.
Everett Yeah. That that's right. It it's it it that's right
Everett . That's I mean I think that's what it is. Um or at least what it's supposed to ape. Um so under 10 for the kinseiko. Did I say
Everett 11? So 99 on the k
Everett inkseiko. Um 8
Everett R48 movement on the speed timer. And I think that one's coming in at like 14 and a half. And then for the pocket wat
Everett ch we are 3
Everett 5 millimeters by 123 thick which makes sense because it's sort
Everett of pocket watch size it's gonna it's gonna sit up sort of pebble-like um with these really great gold leaf hands the astr
Everett on again i i don't actually
Everett know the deal with astronauts so i'm not gonna really talk about it, but it is an SSH 186 movement. Um
Everett PVD case and bracelet
Everett with gold accents, uh super
Everett hard coating. Uh
Everett it's terrible. Forty
Andrew -four point one millimeter case by fo
Everett urteen millimeters. Fourteen point four thick.
Andrew I s I saw a guy today at the Costco wearing an Invicta that looked like watches stacked on top of each other.
Everett Sure. Like you it was like there
Andrew were they they had extra cases and I'm like, I know what to do. Yeah
Everett . Let's just weld these things together
Andrew . Uh it had like a reinforced end link to support the weight of it going into the bracelet. It was absurd
Everett . Yeah.
Andrew And that's what this watch makes you think of
Everett . Yeah. It's it's big. Yeah. I mean the i I think every time we talk about Astron I say this. I'm sure there's a market for it. It's not me
Andrew . And if it's for you, great, you know, there's only they're only making fourteen hundred and fifty of these of of the Astron. That and the uh Prosage they're making the most of the others are like seven hundred for the prospects and eight hundred for the King Seiko.
Everett So I think that was originally your pick, but then
Andrew I kind of took it over so so
Everett do you want to go? No I'll cede it
Andrew to you. Oh wow I'm gonna
Everett talk about synchron. Oh
Andrew so if you if you've been paying atten
Everett tion to Doxa, you probably are aware of the Synch
Everett ron group. It and and if you're not aware of S
Andrew ynchron, you're certainly aware of
Everett Rick Murray, who is the guy
Everett who sort of revived
Everett Doxa working with the Jenny family. Rick Murray revived Doxa back in the late 9
Everett 0s, early 2000s. Neighborhood.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. And
Everett and of course now Dox
Everett a is this huge uh this huge brand with great IP and um really sort of every year it sort of seems like they increase their footprint in uh the dive watch world. And they're and they're doing really are you wearing your docs everyway
Andrew docs are right now. U
Everett They really are um I I think keeping up in a way that for instance Seiko is not so this year they released
Andrew and and that Doxa wasn't even eight years ago.
Everett Well, sure, but I think We saw that we saw them
Andrew ho put their foot on the gas like eight ish years ago and they have not relented
Everett . Yeah. Yeah. And and they
Everett 're really diversifying, right? So we we
Everett 've had the 200T uh the
Andrew 200. And then this year we have
Everett we had the 250 T come out, which is uh the GMT, we had the 750 T come out, which I think is the greatest Doxa on earth. Um
Andrew it's real big though. I love it
Everett . I it's it's real big, but it's like 11
Everett thick. It's it wears really, really nice
Andrew . Fucking terrific. Okay, okay. So any
Everett way, Rick Murray, a few years ago, we don't know what h
Everett appened. Nobody really knows all the details, but Rick Murray went from being part of Doxa to not being part
Everett of Doxa. However, he had in his time with Dox
Everett a, revived a few brands,
Everett all part of the Synchron Group. So Doxa was initially part of the Synchron group, as was I think Ernst Barrel and Um a couple more that are in there but also like tropic and um oh what is isofrain so he retained that IP when he le
Everett ft and he very quickly
Everett released the Synchron Army, which
Everett caused a bit of you could like a bit of like a social media middle finger
Andrew frenzy. A
Everett nyway, uh here we are, many years after that happening, and it sort of feels like there was a a lot of to-do of nothing
Everett . If you don't know, Synchron releases watches that look very much like Doxa watches.
Andrew Which is to say exactly
Everett the same. And they do so with just a little bit of uh
Everett bona fides, I think.
Everett Synchron has released what they're calling the C Lab TIE 300 meters
Andrew . This is a uns
Everett urprisingly a titanium 3
Everett 00 meter dive watch, and
Everett it is very, very,
Andrew very similar to the 300T that Andrew is wearing on his wrist right now.
Everett But it's got two very
Andrew meaningful differences. One,
Everett it's grade five titanium. And two, it is 11.9 thick, unlike the 14.4
Everett I'm wearing. I think that's on your wrist
Everett . Which means it's at le
Everett ast on paper
Everett a little bit better. I think. Is that right? Can we say that? I
Andrew it's hard to say no. So in
Everett prior iterations of the C
Everett Lab, um like the the Synchron Army for instance
Everett , they were 14 millimeter cases.
Everett Uh, so we've gone
Everett down a lot here, a little
Everett over two millimeters, and uh
Everett this looks great. It it looks like a doxa, you guys. So
Everett flat sapphire crystal, so more 300 T than say
Everett the 300. Yeah. Um, and it's made of of titanium. Now, I'm gonna just say this is a problem. It does not
Everett come with a bracelet. Uh it's a problem for me
Andrew . Yeah, but even not coming on a bracelet, we're still we're still working with a full titanium watch, 300 meters of water resistance, it under 12 thick, 990 US dollars on pre-order.
Everett Yep. Shipping in February, limited edition of 500 pieces. Uh these come with
Everett a Le Jou Paret G100
Everett in the highest grade. Sonier gra
Andrew de. Soigner.
Everett You'll tell me, Luke. Uh
Andrew and it and and their their final price if you don't get it on the pre-order and there's any left 1300 and 90.
Everett Yeah a 300T is like 21
Andrew 00 bucks, a 300 is like 2800 bucks. This is thinner, it's using a different movement. I think a better movement. Yeah. Y
Everett es. So so here's the deal with the the LJP, the Joupura G100, is a so so Citizen Group owns Le Jou Peré. And when they acquired Le Jou Paret, I I can't remember the timing. Anyway, the Le Jou Peré G100 is built on the Miyota 9039 architecture. Uh, so like gear gear train placement and uh winding mechanism etc but they did it they they changed it to fit the 2824 um dimension so so it's it's basically like a 2824 or a Solita S200 swap. It's not a one-to-one swap, but with the 90, the Miyota 9039 um architecture, which I think is really cool. Made in Switzerland. Nicer, I think we've got nicer escapement. Um it's it's a it's a slightly upgraded version of the Miyota 9039 architecture in a slightly different form factor. Um and and not made by Miyota, obviously. This is made by Le Jou Pre, different teams. Um, but I think it's just a really cool story. And and I think it's a better movement than either the 28-24 or the S200. I I I just think it is. I I think it's more efficient
Andrew . I think it's I think it's a little bit
Everett thinner. Um it's really cool. And and so the fact that he's using this movement, I I think is uh thumbs up for me. But I'm a huge fan of them of that movement. I kind
Andrew a like the middle finger with a good leg to stand on..
Everett Yeah Of of Synchron
Andrew this being historically Synchron IP and Doxa IP. I
Everett think Doxa by Synchron. Yeah
Andrew . So the the middle finger with good legal standing is really cool. And and we saw it with the Synchron Army immediately followed by the Doxa army. Uh I I I just think I I like this. I like this kind of drama for the sake of drama. But also I'm just like gonna make a cool watch.
Everett You know, we never got that full story. Um I
Andrew I was always hoping someone would reach out to us and g
Everett ive us that story but um
Everett you know Rick Murray left jenny group left left doxa and pretty quickly thereafter announced the synchron army. And it was like within weeks, I think it was within days, if not weeks, um that Doxa announced theirs. And so I think
Everett that must have been something that had
Everett been whiteboarded when he left. That's my guess. I I I you know, I'm obviously making things up in the interest of drama, but I can just imagine like one week he's at Doxa, he's got a whiteboard of ideas in the future. He's maybe got some some images, you know, some some art group renders. And then they split up and he's like, well fuck it. I'm gonna make the army over here. And they're like, no, no, no, we've already started that project, and they publish a picture that he made
Andrew . Yeah. Wouldn't that be odd?
Everett I I don't feel like that's a that's something
Andrew you made up. I like I that sort of feels like
Everett it up but I think it's possible. I that I feel like that's that
Andrew 's very much in the realm of possible.
Everett Yeah. Uh perhaps even likely
Andrew the the timing on it was too fast for a company as large as that to to make that happen.
Everett Yeah. Right? That that's not a nimble enough
Andrew organization to be able to just churn out some renders and a design and then go to market.
Everett Either way, there was some sour grapes there. Um Um a and someday I if if I ever get the opportunity to understand that story in more detail, I'll be happy to have that opportunity.
Andrew And this whole weird dynamic between the two because th the the it's clearly not water under the bridge as we're seeing Synchron release release uh
Andrew Oh, you know, I don't know. I uh
Everett I I wouldn't go that far. I I think I think a lot of time s time Time cures a lot of these. You know, I don't I know nothing, right? I I can see how you know both of these companies, these people that are involved would come away a few years later and be like, no, we're good. We're all good. Um anyway, back to this watch. I'll just
Everett I think the only other thing I'd really like to say
Everett about this, it's awesome. It's very much a DOXA 300T that's thinner made out of titanium. No bracelet as discussed, but it comes with it comes default with a tropic strap. And when I say a tropic strap, I don't mean a basket patterned strap. I mean an actual tropic strap, or with an option you can get an isofra. And I don't mean an isoframe looking strap, I mean a branded isoframe because
Andrew they own it, because both of those IP
Everett s are synchron IPs. So um this is pretty cool. And
Everett if you're I don'
Everett t know, I don't know. Um who are this watch is for? If you're just cost sensitive, if you like titanium, if you want something thinner, if you want to be different, uh you know, I always thought the um who is it? Is it Zen that makes a Nava timer? Because Z
Andrew inn that Zinn made the Nava timer
Everett . Or they had some rights to the IP or license. Anyway, I I always thought, you know, it would be really cool to have a Zen Nava timer. I would like to have a Zen Nava timer, I think, more than a Bright Light Nava timer
Andrew . I w I like the the old Brightling logo Nava timers. I don't like the new logo on the Nava timer
Everett . Uh the the cursor?
Andrew The B, yeah. I like the old one, just like the the wings
Everett . Okay. Okay. Well, in any event, this this feels a little bit to me like
Everett that. Although maybe it's not quite.
Andrew I think the the the Synchron army is more like that than this because this is new.
Everett Yeah. This is this is new for eit
Andrew her brand. This is like cutting edge stuff. This is taking a big prospect dive watch and slimming it down and improving the technology. This thing is gonna wear like an absolute dream.
Everett I do really love the fonts that they use. These are just wonderful fonts. Uh I don't love the bezel fonts. Uh, but those I I think those I get a pass on those because of the way they feel. But the dial fonts that Synchron uses, oh man. Oh man. I
Andrew mean it it's it's bizarre to look at these watches side by side.
Everett Yeah, this is the same watch. Yeah. It's the same.
Andrew Unapologetically, so yeah.
Everett Uh yeah, so 41 millimeters wide, 45 lug-to-lug, eleven nine thick, uh grade five titanium le juper, which means 28,800, 60 hours power reserve, which is an increase over the the 9039, of course. Um, tungsten rotor, four position adjustment. Um, yeah, yeah. 900 if you buy at the introductory level. That
Everett 's a really good value
Andrew . Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. I I
Everett I'm sad. I'm sad about no strap, uh, no bracelet. So I think that would be my call. My my call would be to synchron and say, hey, is a bracelet forthcoming on these? This is a limited
Andrew edition. It's obviously a fundraising model
Everett . Is there a bracelet that's forthcoming
Andrew ? Yeah, I think if there's a bracelet forthcoming on that platform, then this becomes an even more interesting proposition because then you're into it for two colors for under two thousand bucks. Ye
Everett ah. Yeah, that's right. U
Andrew h That would convince me to buy two
Everett . What's next? Bubba? Oh
Andrew , uh, because I bet the next one will be in steel. I bet he'll do this watch in steel with a non like maybe not a a full limited release, but a W
Everett ell that would be too bad. I I mean it would be too b
Everett ad if we couldn't get this in titanium. I want this watch in it with a black dial in titanium.
Andrew I bet this comes in three colors in steel in the next eighteen months. Probably with a bracelet too
Everett . Well, maybe, but I want it in titanium with a black dial. On a bracelet
Andrew . I understand your wants, but you you know, there's a song about that.
Everett Hey! Hey! Mother
Everett fucker! I might have it. There's just
Andrew a sort of fuck out. Um W
Everett hy do you think he does that? He just pisses on my hopes and dreams. He just tries to take me down every
Andrew because it's fun. It's why wh why I do this show
Everett . Uh this
Andrew is a brand we've never talked about before. Vintage Horology. This is an Emirati brand. And they have launched the Strata, an integrated sports watch with a micro motor. Micro rotor movement. W
Everett hoa. A micro motor
Andrew . A micro rotor movement. This is a really lovely cushion case, kind of evoking the fears feel of vintage inspired watchmaking. This is a brand created by the Sadiqi family. They're a retailing family, got a little something right there still. They premiered in 2023 with a monograph, which is a hand well monopusher chronograph. And I don't think we talked about it. I looked at it and I was like, I remember seeing this, but I guess we maybe didn't talk about it. Um again a kind of this isn't exactly Gioche esque, but it's not exactly not. It's kind of a diamond textured uh CNC into the dial. Uh i i'll say by and large i like everything about this watch it's a 40 millimeter square cushion case 8.92 thick grade five titanium 100 meters of water resistance. Um it is based off of what movements is based off of it's a um a manufacturer caliber vhm three point oh one um Um don't know any I don't know who's who
Everett vouchare. Oh vouch share. Oh there it is
Andrew , yeah. Um and here's where the problem comes for me. I was like, oh, this this is is a cool watch. Sixteen thousand euros
Everett . Um, zoom
Andrew in on that date window. It's just kind
Everett of sloppy
Andrew . If you get some of these angled pictures, you can see and I don't know if maybe it's the camera they're taking the pictures with, but there's imperfections on the borders of these date windows.
Everett It's better than that. That's a bad picture you're looking at.
Andrew But it's in all of these
Everett . They've got they've got much better photos of this watch. It's done really well. The yeah, here
Andrew . Look. Well, that one looks good, but in half of these pictures, the date window looks problematic. And it's a cool as shit movement with a great, like, it's a really, really lovely micro rotor movement. Well decorated. Uh the finishing on the rest of the watch looks fantastic. The dial is beautiful, but in half of the pictures, it looks like there's blemishes on the border of the date window. And for a sixteen thousand dollar watch, that doesn't work for me
Everett . Yeah, I I think that I think that these are probably almost perfect in practice, Andrew. If I had to guess. So a few notes from me. Ahmed Sadiki is,
Everett I think, either the largest or
Everett I think they're the largest watch r
Everett etailer in the Gulf. They are family.
Andrew They found Dubai Watch Week. That runs Dub
Everett ai Watch Week. That's right. So they are
Everett no stranger to selling watches. And and they
Everett 've also the so this is their house brand,
Everett and and they've released a number of watches under their ho
Everett use brand. Um
Everett I I don't know if you said it, Andrew, but
Everett I I think you must have gra
Everett de five titanium, screw down crown on
Everett this, 100 meters of water resistance, and it's
Everett under nine millimeters thick. Everyt
Andrew hing the spec sheet is perfect.
Everett I think that this watch is probably an absolute stunner. Uh, I think we've got CNC, I think those engravings on the on the dial are CNC. Um with with that said, it's like an anodized tone on that
Andrew . I don't love the color red, fran
Everett kly. I wish it was a different color. Um but silvered Ozenge hands. Do you know what Ozenge is or Ozenji?
Andrew It's probably like tantalum. It's like a metal they're using just because they can
Everett . Uh a and then of course this movement is just fucking ridiculous. It is a and it's a gorgeous movement. Uh the gear the way that the bridges are set, you can see the train the gear train underneath um
Andrew yeah and it's micro rotor
Everett of course which is just one of my favorite things i i think this thing is super duper you
Andrew know what will tungsten rotor what like makes my makes my mouth kind of slobbery in in a good way. Look at the fitment of this in like and you can tell these are real photos.
Everett Because they're they're not bad photos. Yeah
Andrew . Nor are they fantastic. You can tell that these are pictures. Ye
Everett ah. And I'll just say I don't love this style of bracelet. So this is um a the bracelet
Everett remind yeah it's a four-link, and it reminds me a little of the bracelet that you get with like
Everett the Hamilton Field Khaki Mechanical when they come with one, which has the two links in the middle that are always the links are independent. And so here in the photos we're seeing, they're never quite lined. I just don't understand why you would have instead of just one
Andrew flexibility. Is it more flexib
Everett le? Presumably it's got more join
Andrew ts. Yeah, I'
Everett m not sure. I'm feeling that. With that said, I think
Andrew for for this this style, like this era of style, I think it works
Everett . It looks really good. Um because
Andrew I don't think a three link would work. It
Everett it it looks really good. And you know, integrated, uh I think this is I think this is terrific. Circle and a square, uh kind of uh similar to a uh BRO5. I mean, not the same, obviously, but it's got sort of the similar
Everett instrument to uh
Everett BR05 uh with you know not the same curvier case, more of a tonneau than a true square. But um I I'm a big fan of this. It it's too expensive for me. Uh but
Andrew it makes sense that I have an Emirati brand. Like people are the people are gonna drop this money, not even think about it
Everett . Yeah. Yeah. The people who buy this watch or
Andrew and if they put it on and it's not ticking, they won't think to wind it. They'll just throw it out. Yeah,. like Like oh it's broke
Everett . Oh boy. Yeah, I think it's really great. I I like the crown on this thing too. It's it's a I've never seen a crown quite like this. Um, it's the crown kind of has a bit of a space age thing going on. It's kind
Andrew of Darth Vader helmety. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I I am concerned that being a 40 millimeter case in this shape, it's gonna wear big
Everett . I mean, maybe not concerned. I just
Andrew I would I would be conscious of that if this were a watch that were
Everett I think with the thinness, it's okay. Even in
Andrew my conversational like dialect.
Everett Yeah, I I yeah. This is this is a really
Andrew killer. No second hands, just a two-hander. Ye
Everett ah. Yep. Yep. Did
Andrew n't didn't mention that.
Everett Which is something
Everett that I'm surprised we don't see more of. Um
Andrew I think this would be fire as a small seconds. Like a small second subdial of the six
Everett . Yeah. That'd do it
Andrew . Yeah, we haven't talked about this brand because
Everett I think it's just really not on anybody's radars here. Uh with that said, I think it's it's a brand to watch. Obviously, they're making pretty expensive watches, but um okay. We uh I said we were done with Seiko, I think, or I said let's get the Seiko out of the way, but we missed one. Well, this is
Andrew n't Seiko. Uh
Everett we missed one. Uh uh You're right, Andrew, it's not Seiko.
Andrew It's not
Everett . Creedor is releasing a not to
Andrew be confused with Hodor. Limit
Everett ed edition of 60 pieces. What they're calling the G C BY 911. This is a gold feather, uh a crater gold feather. Uh if you know about the gold feather, you know that it is a very famous watch, uh, which at times has been, I think, I think at one point one of the thinnest watches in the world. Uh uh always been a staple for Seiko's sort of higher end watchmaker, uh, watch brand. Crator is a brand that Seiko holds to do its most sort of fine hot horology dressy shit. Um But
Andrew you know what they'd hold from it too?
Everett What? They're in
Andrew unforgivable thickness. They don't force that on Credo
Everett . They don't. That's that's right. Um, so what we have is a porcelain dialed gold feather here, uh, created in collaboration with Hataman Tuen, which I don't know anything about, but it's a prestigious Japanese kiln specializing in Imari Nabashima wear. Which I guess if you know things about things, then maybe you'll know what that is.
Andrew It's probably of import.
Everett Porcelain was produced exclusively for the shogunate and feudal lords using techniques closely guarded within the domain. And Hataman Tuan continues this legacy today, preserving classical motifs while refining materials, techniques, and finishings. I I was reading that by the way. I didn't come up with that by myself. Um, here what we have is a translucent white base that radiates out to a cobalt blue on the outside
Andrew . Imagine if you had one of those blue dye uh things in your toilet tank and you flushed and now the toilet's empty and the blue dyes
Everett just pour them back in. Uh and we have a feather motif, a cobalt blue feather motif that's also an ombre that appears at and in between each of the markers. So it'
Andrew s phenomenal. I think that
Everett means there are 24 of these feathers that are that circle the die. They'
Andrew re like alternating triangles. They're peaking on uh atop the markers and then at the end of the markers between them. That's right. It is a really interesting geometric experience to look at this thing. Yeah.
Everett And they paint them on before glazing. So everything's sort of transparent and under the glaze. Uh five firings. It super deep and weird and crazy.
Andrew With the the logo and the name of the watch printed on the underside of the dial. So you get cool light play. Yeah, the shadows created through that. Yeah
Everett . Or not on the underside on the underside of the the c
Andrew rystal crystal. Yeah. Uh so you get cool shadows cast by this text on the crystal. Yeah. This is gor
Everett geous. Yeah. Yeah. Um we've got a thirty-seven millimeter a thirty-seven point one millimeter case that is eight point three thin. Uh which means this is really, really good dress watch proportions. Hand wound caliber 6890, which is if if you've never put eyes on one of these things, uh, this is probably one of the nicest Japanese movements on Earth. Um only 1.98 millimeters thick on that movement. And only a tiny amount of people that are making these. Um yeah. These things are just absolutely lovely. They're about 15,000 euro.
Andrew And there's only 60. And there's only 60 of these
Everett being. 15,000 seems right. Yeah
Andrew . There's that I have absolutely no question about that. Unli
Everett ke the unlike the vintage that we looked at. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you owned one of these things and you busted this out for your black tie evenings, that was I mean, this thing's so fucking cool.
Everett Can you imagine this with uh
Everett like uh just a perfect crispy tux with like a blue bow tie? Oh my
Andrew god, give it give it up.
Everett Uh this and they would. They would all g
Andrew ive it up for you. Panty dropper is what
Everett this is. Just craters in the ground around
Andrew you. You know, I guess my favorite thing about being
Everett into watches is chicks are so into it
Andrew . They love it. Like you just they like they see it and they just had they don't even know what to do with themselves.
Everett I'm glad the wives don't listen to this show anymore. Uh I don't think they ever
Andrew did. I think they listened to us on mute just for the listens. Yeah, l
Everett isten to it on mute. This is beautiful, man.
Andrew Yeah, this is this is some see Seiko can make things thin
Everett . Yeah, and and and I think these are not being made by Seiko. I'm I mean not in any meaningful sense. Satko owns Crador, but I think Crador is its own thing
Andrew . So they own the ability to do it. Yeah,
Everett yeah. Uh what's next?
Andrew Oh boy. Um
Everett it's not very much left. There's nothing. Oh there's two of them. Th
Andrew ere's two of them, and I I'm not really very excited about either of them. Um this one's just the next on. So this is the Makina And Dros to Gray. And and we have we've talked about a lot of dress e watches today
Everett .
Everett It's it's clear
Andrew ly inspired by a dress watch and ha and desires to like evoke the um the thing that a dress watch does without doing any of the things that a dress watch is supposed to do. So what we have here is a pretty classic rectangle shape. Really not much to talk about with the rectangle there, except everything to talk about. This thing is shaped like a like a German pillbox bunker with these really, really gradual uh downward angles away from what we'll call the bezel, which is not actually a bezel, just down low angles down. Uh huge, huge boxy case. Um, but it happens in such a small amount of space. This is a 33 millimeter case, 44 lug to lug, and an 11 and a half thick. So they're they're like kind of tricking your brain here a little bit because this thing looks huge with those really gentle angles away from the bezel to create almost like a I don't even know what to call it. It it's a just a big freaking angle on the side of this very otherwise thin watch that adds three millimeters on either side. So so realistically what we're working with here is a 30 millimeter rectangle with like thr 3 millimeters of skirt on either side. Uh it's this really, really heavily brushed, absolutely no polish appearing, but then when you get in closer, there's good polished angles on it
Everett . Okay. Enough
Andrew about kind of the confusion of the case shape. We'll get to the dial. This is a matte gray dial with a 12 o'clock logo and a bizarro handset that looks more like tuning forks to me than anything else.
Everett Yeah, I think that's fair. I th I think that's
Andrew just what we have to go with.
Everett They look a little bit like a s like a Star Wars ship, like an elongated Star Wars fighter
Andrew . Okay. But tuning
Everett fork, I think, is probably
Andrew Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with tuning forks. So silver tuning forks, uh light blue, kind of r like what I would think like auto sports blue tips on them, silver markers inside this indented hour track, right? The the this layer of dial with a subsequent oval indent that travels 30% up the dial. Well like two thirds of the dial and then another thirty percent below for your second track. Uh you know, all in all, as weird as this watch is, I really like it. It is it it feels to me like a 1980s watch, imagining what 2020 is gonna look like. But here it is in 2020. I'm like, that's still you you you shot way past the mark on this one. This is what you should have been imagining like 2050 to look like. Uh the colors on it are all really good for me. But I don't get it. I think that's maybe the issue here. Is I I don't I don't get it this watch is like just too cool for me um only 800 bucks though so I think this is like maybe a reasonable flyer if you're looking for something in kind of that like 80s futuristic vibe
Everett . It's just it's super we
Everett ird to me. The
Andrew the dial looks like almost like a keyhole, like a handcuff keyhole uh that the the dial fits into within the dial
Everett . Yeah, I can see that. No, you know, Linkina is a brand that does really sort of I think that they lean heavily on the avant-garde. You know, for
Everett all of our for all of our talk about, you know,
Everett this watch looks different, I like
Everett that, or uh you know, this watch
Andrew looks boring, I don't like that
Everett . Um it'
Everett s refreshing to see a br
Everett and like this, a brand like this, and by that, what do I mean? I mean a brand that's making
Everett affordable watches, that is
Everett really taking chances and taking risks. I think sometimes they do a
Everett really good job and and then
Everett uh other times you know they had their
Everett I think they called it the Azazel
Everett uh which I didn't like at all um the Meph
Everett istos I think were okay
Everett I I'm sort of into this. So Makina is a Filipino brand. Uh, and I think that the uh the
Everett owner of
Everett of Mefisto is a guy who is just super into watches, and he sold like a couple hundred thousand dollars of very, very nice watches in order to start this brand, and is just making watches that he loves, and I'm like, I'm kind of here for that, man. Um and I think this is a hit. It it this is not a watch that everybody's gonna like. I think it's maybe not a watch that Andrew likes.
Andrew And just it it's a miss for me. And I
Andrew don't know where it's missing because I like all of the components. Dan
Everett Danilo Villanueva is his name. I I knew I would find it. Um for
Everett me, I think that this is a hit
Everett . It's not a miss for me and and and and so that is i mean i think that's the nature of these things what it is what what i think more importantly we can say
Andrew is that the reason everybody makes the same watch. So I I had a conversation with some with some friends in the last c
Everett ouple of weeks, and we were talking about Tutor. Tutor the the watch.
Andrew Have you heard of them? So they uh they what do they do? Um they do that huge ridiculous dive watch, right? What's it like? The the black bay ninety four. Uh
Everett so we were talking about Tudor and I was like, you
Everett know, uh I I really
Everett wish Tudor would bring back the North flag. To me, the Tudor North flag is the coolest watch Tudor has ever made. It was a Kusk watch with great dimensions. Um integrated before integrated was cool again. Um funky but not bizarre. Um I mean it's the
Everett coolest watch they've ever made and they disc
Everett ontinued it, and it doesn't seem like it's gonna come back. Although I will say about a week after I had that conversation, I think Warren and Wound released an article or someone said they should bring that back. Anyway, um
Andrew Your phone's listening to you. And that's where Mike is getting all of his ideas from.
Everett The problem is the tutor has the Black Bay, and the Black B
Everett ay is a chocolate milks
Everett hake. And they sell a fuck ton of them because it's
Everett not, it's the opposite of risky. It is the most popular
Everett watch platform made by the most popular watch producer on earth. It's affordable relatively. It is for many people a gateway watch, and they can sell eight bajillion of them to eight bajillion metal managers and they they don't have time or money to make the North flag.
Everett They don't have time or money to take the risks. I
Andrew I don't think it's a that they don't have the manufacturing ki capacity to do anything other than the Black Bay.
Everett McKean is exactly the opposite. Everything's a risk. And I like that. And I'm I and I'm so I'm gonna applaud Makina for only making they don't have
Everett a sub. They don't have a sim
Everett ple, easy to digest. I I mean, you you know, you look at these Mephistos, some of them are fairly I I mean, if
Everett you kind of squint, it's like, okay, that's a dive watch
Everett . But this like weirdo brutalist ang
Everett ular pebble re
Everett ctangle thing. Yeah. Is
Everett bizarre and I think kind of awesome. The dial
Everett on this thing is awesome. It is awesome. Multiple layers, tons of dimension. These Millennium Falcon hands are weird and cool and interesting. Uh the sub-dial, the sub-seconds is weird, and it's like a reverse painted. Anyway
Andrew , I I think this is also this is also indicative of Eastern and Western just pure style preferences
Everett . I maybe I don't know. I don't know. I mean, this doesn't seem like anybody. This doesn't seem like Japanese. I mean, it's Filipino, right? So I don't know what that means. If there is a Filipino watchstyle, I'm not sure. It maybe this is it. This thing's fucking rad. I I not even to say you should go buy this watch
Everett . I just think the idea of this watch, I
Everett think the spirit of this watch is fucking rap
Andrew . I really like this that this watch exists and I like that it exists at an affordable price point. Uh and it looks well made. When you look at the photos of it, everything lo
Everett oks super well made. Everything looks good
Andrew . I just I I don't I don't get it.
Everett SW260-1, five five meters water resist
Andrew ance, which is fine for this wat
Everett ch. Um the dim
Andrew ensions on it are fantastic
Everett . Yeah. I I think it's great
Andrew . I I'm I'm I'm into it. Mak
Everett ina, you're awesome. We should get Villand
Andrew Wave a I wish I understood you. We should get
Everett him on the show. Uh, final watch. It is a
Everett Finnish watch. Man,
Andrew the fins, we've been talking about them. From an
Everett independent watchmaker called C
Everett ortella Volta. Cortella and Volta are last names of the makers. Roop Cortella and Rene Volta. I don't know anything about this brand. They made the Ika, Eka watch that we did talk about on the
Everett show last year, which is beautiful,
Everett kind of a beautiful sectory, small seconds dress watch. Um, I don't remember what we said about it. I like it. When I look at it now, I do know we talked about it. Um, this is an
Everett Omega Caliber 266 Ge
Everett ar Train watch. It's sort of a manufacture caliber, which it if that suggests to you that this is going to be an expensive watch, you are You would be correct. You would be correct. This is a watch that is coming in at $25,500 euro, excluding any VAT or tax available for pre-order. Uh, so just get that out of the way. We're getting it
Everett out of the way. Uh, beyond that, I'm just gonna start with dimensions, I'm gonna go the opposite direction. It is a 38.5 millimeter times nine millimeter high
Everett stainless steel brushed and polished dress watch with a grand few enam
Andrew el dial
Everett that is simple. It
Andrew is grand feud gorgeous
Everett with an Omega Caliber 266 gear train in-house made with a free sprung balance and platinum poison weights made out of German silver. It's gorgeous. Tip to tail. So let's explain the watch a little bit. This is a sectary small seconds dress watch with a printed enamel dial with ab
Everett so lutely
Everett stunning in-house made hands. If you look at this watch, just pause and stop what you're doing and take
Everett a look and realize that
Everett almost everything that's happened here happened in-house. They did all of this and they nailed it. We have a number of brands that we see that are like this, um, you know, RGM or um you know, anyway, this is a very small brand. And and we see this from time to time, but we don't always see I think perfection and execution the way we do this. So for the toka, we've got this Omega Gear train uh that's hand built into a movement with this really cool plate down at the bottom of the movement totally exposed escapement um not exposed it's underneath sapphire uh hand finished with a number of different textures, all this beautiful German silver. Small seconds down at six, which interferes with this with the sector portion of the dial, it kind of curves around in this sort of art deco, very 1920s Chicago feel to me. Um great size, nine millimeters in height, under 39 millimeters, 47 millimeter, lug to lug. The case is perfect. I think the case is perfect. That's what I'm gonna say about this case, Andrew.
Andrew I don't think you can draw up a critique uh of anything on this watch.
Everett There's no no critiques. I I mean price. That's the only critique you But that
Andrew 's what this is the hand finishing and the the labor that went into this
Everett they hand finish the case in house so this how the case is CNC machined in like sort of a bulk fashion, sent to them. Everything's hand done from there. Beautiful craftsmanship every step of the way. And these hands, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew. These hands. Oh my gosh. Ye
Andrew ah, you just you haven't seen hands finished quite like this before.
Everett Yeah, and and and an in-house free sprung balance whe
Everett el is that second hand. That's crazy. That's crazy. Look
Andrew at the bevel on on the on the second hand where it connects to the to the
Everett it's got like a dog bolt. Yeah. Yeah
Andrew . Whew. Yeah, I mean
Everett this thing is just the it's
Everett a piece of it's a piece of art. I
Everett if you were gonna spend twenty five thousand dollars on a watch and you came to me and said, I'm thinking about this, I have a hard time saying don't. I I mean, of course, we don't know enough about the company to be able to say I stand by this company. They might be fucking terrible people. I don't know
Andrew this is maybe maybe the defining picture of this handset
Everett . Yeah. The shadow cast by
Andrew the hour hand is so sharp. The shadow.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I think
Andrew that's a that's a more defined shadow than I create as a human person
Everett . Nope, I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. Uh this thing's crazy, man. You know, I I I feel like this is y you know, when people say, Oh, why do you talk about these watches that you can't afford or would never get? I won't ever have this.
Andrew I'll never see one. I just love that it exists.
Everett I can appreciate this. So yeah. Really cool watch
Andrew . Andrew. Other
Everett things. What do you got? Ooh, I have another thing. It's
Andrew kind of a weird other thing. So my uh six-year-old the other day was like, I want to watch Ratatouille. I was like, okay, cool. Like, no, I want to watch the real one. And I was like,
Everett What does that mean? That's what I said. I was like, there's
Andrew not a real Ratatouille. My ten-year old's like, yeah, no, it's on Amazon. I'm like, no, you're that's incorrect. You're wrong. And they're like, no, it's a show. Like n wrong. Like Ratatouille's a Disney movie where a rat controls a fellow by his hair and they cook. They're like, yeah, a guy did it. And there's a show. And I'm like, oh my gosh. So we play the fuck around game trying to find what they want. And they get me to this fella named Nick Di Giovanni and his Amazon show called Food Experiments. And his first episode is he apparently spent a year training a rat to do all manner of uh like item selection and little obstacles by which he more or less did make a ratatouille. I was like, okay. I think I kind of hate this and kind of like it all at once. So Nick de Giovanni is a very young chef who rose to fame on Master Chef, uh, was the a third place winner, I don't remember what season, um, but then was kind of taken under Gordon Ramsey's wing. He graduated from Harvard, and I guess at Harvard you get to create your own degree where his degree was in like culinary arts and environmental science or some stupid shit like that. It doesn't matter. But because of his age and the era at which he was uh joining the world, he got really famous on social media and became kind of like a YouTube TikTok star kind, of of the Mr. Beast Ilk. Um, so we've been watching the show, and there's at least two seasons available on Amazon Prime right now, and he's kind of fun to watch because he knows exactly what he's doing in the kitchen, but then also does like this kind of dude perfect feel. Uh, for example, I watched an episode today with the kids and, it was him and Babish from Binging with Babish doing the entire SpongeBob menu. Uh, and the way they were doing it wasn't just like weird, it was clearly two professional chefs figuring out a way to do this thing and then providing like real insight and getting creative in how to do it and how to achieve these things. He does like these couple shorts where it's like 50 ways to cook a steak, 50 ways to cook an egg. It's very fun, consumable content, and my kids love it. And it's not like Mr. Beast. It's not take your pick of these social media stars. And it's also a nice break from Is It Cake? Much as I love Is It Cake. I can only watch so much Is It Cake. S
Everett ure. Yeah. Uh
Andrew but he's he's interesting. And it's it's very much in the vein of binging with Babish, but kind of geared more towards social media rather than the long form that binging with babish started with on YouTube. And it's interesting. He's worth a watch. I haven't read his cookbook and I probably won't ever get it because I I don't I don't care that much, but he he has captured my attention. Uh and he he the episode we were watching when when you came over was with um Uncle Richard, I think is his name. He's a a Chinese social media chef. It's not Richard
Everett . Yeah, it's Uncle Richard. No.
Andrew Roger. Uncle Roger. Uncle Roger.
Everett But that's not what his name is, is it? That's what he that'
Andrew s what he goes by. Uh and the the
Everett But he's actually he talks with this like super pick accent, but he's actually like American.
Andrew Yeah. It it would it would be like offensive if he was if he was white. R
Everett ight. Um and what's the guy's name? Um
Andrew Andre Rush was the celebrity guest judge for it. And if you don't know anything about Andre Rush as a chef, like he's this bizarro uh army chef who got who rose to fame because he's also like a bodybuilder
Everett . Sure. And uh a CNN
Andrew reporter took a picture of him cooking on the White House lawn and was like, what the fuck is going on with this guy? And then he got famous and started getting into cooking shows and stuff. Um, but uh Nick Di Giovanni and his food experiments on Amazon Prime are fairly short, like consumable, fun. Uh I don't know if I'd call them informative. They're no less informative than any other cooking show. Uh, but they're fun and he's entertaining and he has like social media guests and he just did a cook off with uh Logan Paul where in one of the s rounds
Everett Sure he did. Nick uh cooked with a
Andrew blindfold on. So like yeah, kinda still kinda in that social media thing. Um, but not as not as bad as it could be. And we're not watching Mr. Beast. So I call that a win
Everett . That is a win. Yeah. That is a w
Andrew in. Um co
Everett ol. Worth checking out. I've I've got another thing.
Andrew Do we? Uh I
Everett uh So my daughter
Everett is well all all of my kids are pretty musical, but my daughter in particular is really s
Andrew ort of uh getting
Everett into music theory and m music production and music creation. Uh and she had asked for a
Everett sp very specific gift. Uh I I'm
Everett I'm being cheeky only because I'm I'm hiding the ball just a little bit. She a'skded for this gift and I looked at it and I was like, that I just don't get it. But you know she's
Andrew like you, so that like this was as specific as it was for of for a reason
Everett . Correct. Correct. So
Everett she asked for a what's called a stylophone. And specifically she wanted a Bowie stylophone because she's into Bowie, which is who's not my favorite things. Um And so we got these things. It's 40 bucks. It's 40 bucks. And so I got one of these things. And and and if you don't know what a style phone is, so what this is, is this is a small electronic device. And by small, I mean it'
Everett s about the size of like a
Everett small paperback book.
Andrew Oh, it's even smaller than I thought. I was expecting like a like a computer keyboard.
Everett No, oh no. Like a 60% error. Nope, a little thicker than that. Um but like you know, maybe
Everett like a a s like a small
Everett dictionary. Yeah, you know, one of the little ones. So probably about eight inches wide and maybe about five inches deep and then maybe two and a half to three inches tall on the z-axis. Uh it comes with a little um
Everett it comes with a little styl
Everett us. a A K the w I you know, I e the stylophone. And this when they oh I that's that's fun. Andrew's got like the Amazon's See It in your room. See it in your ro
Andrew om It'
Everett s little I just looked at my desk like it
Andrew was gonna be there.
Everett It it's it's little. Um and and add
Andrew it to my cart. And when you connect
Everett this, it's got little paths, little metal pads that are laid out like a like a keyboard. And when you connect the stylus to a pad, it makes a tone, an electronic, a really characteristic electronic tone. And uh God, I will just tell you, this thing is so much fun. Now, if I could go back and she
Everett wanted this boy one, and I'm glad I got her the
Everett one she wanted, but for a hundred bucks, you can get a version of this that is drastically better that's got attack, decay, a waveform, rate, depth, a cutoff, levels um like
Andrew a full synthesizer set versus like a fairly limited
Everett well and and so theramon also makes a theremin also makes like for another thirty dollars so, for a hundred and thirty dollars, a full-on stylophone synthesizer, uh, which you you can connect to, you know, ports, and and there's a couple of different variations on this, but um I will just say for 40 bucks, what a fun instrument. We've had a good we've had a a ton of fun with it. And if you know piano at all and you know keys, then then it'll be really natural to you. But also, it's a
Everett very small section of the keyboard. So
Everett if you just want to get like some tabs and learn the notes, it's super easy. I mean, probably about 20 minutes, and you could be using this thing to play music and it's really fun and it makes fun noise. It's got
Andrew onboard speakers, right? It's got an onboard speak
Everett er and it makes this really like 80s, 70s, 80s electronic. It's really cool. It is a really cool little instrument. And I think if you've got anybody who's musical, certainly um, you know, there are better ways to do everything it does. Probably objectively speaking.
Andrew But I don't know that there's anyt
Everett hing else that would that does kind of what this does with the stylus. It just has this really, it's funky and weird. And furthermore, I'll just say, I can imagine for someone like Betty or for someone who's making music, this having a world, there being a world in which you could use this for the creation of music to make music that really you can't make with anything else. It's like that
Andrew Star Trek instrument. You put your hand in and
Everett yeah, that's that's right. It it it's just it's just super clever. Um
Andrew Yeah, I love it. Yeah,
Everett yeah, that's right. What's the name of that uh instrument they use on the office theme song
Andrew . Isn't an accordion? No
Everett , it's not. It's not. Uh it is called a melodica. It is this little keyboard that has a hose that you blow into. And it's like the first time I saw one of these things, they're pretty cheap. All of them are pretty cheap. Like the most expensive mel
Everett odicas are a couple hundred bucks. And
Everett the first time I saw one of these things, I was like, dude, I gotta get one of these. Um,
Andrew that makes it even funnier. Y
Everett es. It this the stylophone feels to me a little bit like a melodica. There's no other instrument that's gonna make that noise
Andrew . Oh my gosh. That makes the theme song even funnier
Everett . Yeah, melodicas are crazy. I
Andrew I always thought it was an accordion. Funky
Everett and weird and the style of funky
Andrew because you cause it has that airflow that that I that just made me think that it was an accordion. Ye
Everett ah, it's because it's lung power. Yeah. Yeah. Andrew, anything you want to add before we get going for the week
Andrew ? You've totally blown my world wide open with respect to obscure instruments. Thank you
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