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Seiko Swings; Credor Hits (376)

Published on Tue, 13 Jan 2026 02:00:00 -0800

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This episode of the 40 and 20 WatchClicker Podcast covers a range of watch releases and industry news. The hosts discuss several Seiko releases including a new tonneau-cased Presage, limited edition 5 Sports models, and anniversary editions. They also cover the Synchron C Lab TI 300, a titanium dive watch from Rick Murray's company that bears similarities to Doxa designs. Other notable watches discussed include the Vintage Horology Strata with a micro-rotor movement, a Credor Gold Feather with porcelain dial, and the Cortella Volta featuring an Omega 266 gear train. The hosts debate watch thickness, pricing, and design choices throughout, while also touching on Everett's upcoming ski trip to Big Sky and sharing their "other things" segment about cooking shows and musical instruments.

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Andrew Hallo, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20 the WatchClicker Podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things. we like Everett, how are you? I'm good. Excellent, glad to hear it. You're not tired, work isn't busy, timing wasn't all weird on the intro. Uh no, no, I'm good. Thanks. Uh I am I am coming off a busy week at work, I was really cramming this week in the office. Uh, because I leave for Montana for four days tomorrow. So um I will be be flying out and skiing for a number of days at Big Sky at the Big Sky Mountain Resort. Uh, which is my first time there. How do you guys choose your mountain resort locations? Because you've done you did Vale last year, right? Maybe one other. Last year we did Jackson Hole and Alta. And then the year before that, I did Alta Deer Valley Winter Park. And then what uh then the year oh no. And then the year before that, oh no, I did winter park the year before that. So the year Yeah, anyway. It's sort of darkboard. We always go to Alta because Alta's terrific. Uh it's my favorite. And then you just mix up for one or other trips throughout the year. Yeah, yeah. Sort of the like I said, sort of a dartboard technique. Um you know, there's a few places that we really want to go, but I guess when you're going to Milan Oh, I we've talked about this. We've talked about a like a Switzerland trip. Um, or you know, certainly a European skiing trip. You you know, the expensive part about skiing in Europe is getting there and then lodging can can be expensive. But sk actual skiing in Europe is super affordable and because of the way travel is in the EU, you know, you can get around really easy. So uh we've talked about that. We've also talked about a South American trip because with the icon pass we get access to a number of South American resorts. And it's a different season, right? Yeah, you could go in July. Uh that's right. Yeah. So certainly in the summer, yeah. So um but yeah, yeah, you know, at this point, um there's so many places I haven't been, I don't mind. You know, I'm like down to go wherever. Uh yeah, you know, there's there's big resorts, obviously, Whistlervale. Um, you know, Deer Valley, I guess to a certain extent, that I'm not super interested in. I'd much rather go to smaller resorts, not to say that Jackson Hole or Big Sky are smaller, but they don't get the same kind of pressure as some pl uh like a place like Vale or Whistler, so Yeah, the the there's some status associated with weekending and at Whistler. Oh, well, don't get it wrong. Yeah. There's some status associated with Big Sky too, but not in the same way. Like at least in the way of like the commercialization of the entire thing. Yeah, you you know, Andrew, I I think it's a little this is an interesting comparison because it's uh and and hopefully it'll be a good segue. I think it's a little bit like this. Uh Vale and Whistler are Rolex. Uh Big Sky, Jackson Hole are Jaeger LaCultra. Yeah. Get down with that. Right. Or or longa. Right. These are very, very expensive. There you know. Driving through you you leave the the Jackson Hole airport and it's just like the richest people you've ever seen in your life. Which is crazy, right? You think this is it's Wyoming. This is what y'all doing here? Just the richest people on the face of the earth. So Deer Valley's the same way. You go to Whistler, it's like bros and subros. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway. Uh yeah, go and skiing. So this last week was busy, this next week will not be. It will be in a different way. It will be in a different way. Yes. Yeah. How are you? I was just gonna ask uh real quick. Uh have you been doing your wall sits? Are you are you conditioned for this? I have been doing wall sits. Um, I have. I had an issue. I don't know if you remember this or if I talked about this on the show. I've had an impinged impinged nerve this last year, which has caused numbness in my left quadricep. So like literally right now I can't feel the skin in my left quadricep. Um so that'll it's it doesn't affect my ability to do wall sits. It burns a little bit, but it should be an interesting. That could be interesting. Well, I think if it's numb, it means it won't hurt. Yeah, you know, you'd be surprised. It can both hurt and be numb at the same time. Oh, I'm aware. Yeah. No, I'm I'm I'm aware. It you know, it's the weirdest thing. Like I cannot feel my fingers as I do this. I can't feel my fingers on my skin. But seriously, it feels like it's I just immediately thought of that scene in Talladega Nights when Will Farrell drives the knife and do Yeah, no more. It feels like I've gone to the dentist and you know when you feel your cheeks. Little little residual novacane action. That's what it feels like. So uh sometimes it's better than others. But this weekend in particular I had I did all my work I did all my stretches today. All my PT stretches. And your cagles. Uh I did those two. Uh Andrew, how are you? I'm good. I'm feeling a lot better this week. Uh I've kicked whatever, that cold that was just like hanging on. My head's back attached to my body. The congestion is mostly gone. Uh I like I can sleep through the night without waking up coughing my lungs out. So I'm I'm calling it a win. I'm feeling good. Bummer of a football weekend. Bummer of a football weekend. Um other than that I'm I'm I'm good. I'm good. I'm I'm excited for your upcoming ski trip. I have no vacations on the horizon. Um so I'm jealous. I'll ski for the both of us. Yeah. Yeah, please do. Because I don't think I'm gonna get on the snow this year. No? No. Wasn't it? Was it wasn't Mark that was super pumped about it? Yeah, he's really pumped about it, and I was really excited for this season because I was excited to go with him. I'm just a little bit uh hesitant based off of my like early recovery timeline. Alright. Well we've got you got 90 days. 90 days to make these decisions Yeah. In any event, we're not here to talk about skiing, although I do relish the idea of a skiing podcast. Um we're here to talk about watches because that's actually the podcast we have. For now. For now. For now. Uh do you want to kick us off? I am going to kick us off with I think one of my favorite Seiko releases of the decade with the SPB537, a tonneau case returning to the brassage line, and this thing is just phenomenal. This is a really lovely tonneau case, small 24 hour hand, just like great Roman numerals, glued hands, um, white enamel, black Roman numerals, twenty-four hour subdial, uh good railroad track around the outside. Like this is this is the kind of thing that when you see you kind of expect something to have just like a a problem with it because it's Seiko. It's a 35.9mm case, 46 lug to lug. Here comes the little bit of the problem. It's 12 and a half thick, 6R5H movement, 50 meters water resistance, 1650 euros, which I think is right in that sweet spot for that brassage line. It's a little bit on the north edge. It's a little thick for me, but I you know the way the the proportions of this are with this gentle curve of the crystal that matches that tonneau curve. It it does it for me. I'm a rectangle watch person, and this is this is good. The clasp looks like it's probably gonna be a bummer. The bracelet's gonna be mid, but the watch itself is I'm look, I'm I'm pretty good with this. Yeah, I mean it it's just it's just too thick, right? I mean, it's just objectively there's no reason for this watch. And it's probably too big too. I I mean it it's a rectangular tonneau. A north-south rectangular tonneau uh long along the y-axis. Which is to say um which is to say that they could have this I think at thirty-six, even thirty-five, and it would probably be really terrific. It only should be 35. I just don't understand. I just can't understand making this watch 12.5 millimeters. You're going to sell me a 1700 dress tonneau for $1,800 dress tonneau for at at $12 and a half millimeter. I I I just just mean it's it makes no sense to me. I think it's beautiful. The di this dial is really, really nice. It's an enamel dial. And you get uh there's a few places in particular, the dip at the subdial and then the dip under the two pinions where you get that enamel puckering. It's not puckering, but that enamel like sort of bowling, you know, that you know, where with the like the the tension of the enamel actually creates a dip. It it is a stunning dial. Little busy, but I'm okay with that. Just make this fucking sensically size. I just don't I like Seiko is is like they just I think part of the thickness is is an illusion because there is a lot of space between that dial and the bottom of the crystal. I think part of it is the is the upward curvature of the crystal just to create a bunch of space? Is it a curved crystal? It it looks like it. Yeah, it does look like it. I don't see how it's not. If you look at this profile picture.. Yeah I think it has to be. And I I think that's where you're getting a millimeter there. Yeah, maybe two. I mean, it it's it's fine. I I just think I just think that Seiko is really missing the boat on case thickness. This would be a hit in 2010, right? It would have been probably coming at about 700 bucks. Um it and people would have just gone apeshit over it. In 2026 we're we're past it man we're past it Seiko it and and the case finishing looks terrific I I disagree with you that the bracelet looks insufficient. I think this looks like a really good bracelet for Seiko. The end link is good. It's gonna be a Seiko bracelet, though. I think this is I I think they've done a good job with this bracelet. I'll just leave it at that. But um yeah, I Man. I'm I I like this. Well I know it's too thick, but I still like it. Well I guess we stick with Seiko. Um two limited edition Seiko 5 Sports in the SKX line um one of these being purple and one of these being brown, exclusive to Singapore, Hong Kong. Macau, Malaysia, and Brunei. Um which is interesting. It's it's interesting anytime you see these limited editions, uh, where you're like, why wouldn't you just sell these fucking everywhere. Um, yeah. Cause these are two cool colorways that I think would be really successful globally. Yeah. But then they wouldn't be affiliated with the thong song. Yeah. So what what do they the Thong Sia Group? I assume that's a retailer. It's a it's a song from I think the late 90s, early 2000s. Uh I assume that's a retailer. Um it but you're getting these in at um Singaporean dollars three four hundred and thirty which i think is about the same as a us dollar um and and and not much else to say about these. These are uh these are SKX, you know, 5KX sports, SKX m models. We do have uh on the on both of these we have a white section in a sapphire bezel so sapphire bezel and and they've got two two colors so white from 12 to 20 and then either purple or brown from 20 back to the top, which is which is pretty attractive. But other than that, you know, 100 meters of water resistance, which is 50 more than that new person, and 12.1 thick, which is point four less than that new presage. Something notable. Uh uh you know uh hard lux loomer bright. Four hour movement though. Yada yada yada. Yeah, four four hour movement in these, which which is what we've come to expect. Um yeah, these are these are just great little limited editions. Seiko doing what Seiko does best, I think. And I the purple one here. I the brown I'm kinda like whatever. It's got a bit of a grid on the dial for the brown one. This purple one, however has the same grid. It's just not as uh not as pronounced. Not as pronounced, yeah. Um but the purple, the color on the purple, both of these have like a sunburst style underneath the grid, and the purple is just a great, great color. And and I, you know, it's exciting in that purple because that's a new colorway. I've I've not seen that purple. We've all seen brown before. Yeah. Uh but it's not guilt. Which usually when you have a brown dial turns gilted, it just like happens. I don't think they mean to do it. I think once the brown hits, suddenly the markers and the handset turns gold and then it bleeds over into the bezel. Yeah. Um it's like infectious. Sure. Uh but this didn't happen here. So they've also found a way to co uh to cure the the guilt cancer shouldn't that spreads. So guilt cancer. Yeah. Uh what's next? It just happens and it metastasizes quickly and it becomes automatic. Should we wrap up the psycho talk by talking about the anniversary Seiko's that we didn't get to last week? Yes. So uh there were four anniversary Seiko's launched last week. We kind of glazed over them because honestly, they just they for me. None of 'em did anything for me. Okay. Okay. Did did any of these really like scratch an itch for you. Yeah, I I think they did, Andrew. So uh so we talked about this a little, but um uh the biggest the biggest deal you're gonna get with these is is new dials um and and and and the king seiko i think is the best of these so there are there are four of these a king seiko, a prospecs, a pressage, and an Astron. You will be uh uh if you're hoping to hear all about the Astron, it's a probably a different properly a different show. And you'll be pleasantly disappointed by it. Uh with that said, um I just starting with the King Seiko. So this is the 145th anniversary King Seiko, the KS in the KS 1969 series, um which nods to Seiko's founder, Kintaro Hottoris. Uh and and on this we have a gradient sort of CNC geoche texture that is really, really stunning. Um it's sort of a uh a set of rings that you get that get f significantly wider as you move to the outside of the dial, but because of the way the guiosh goes, you get like sort of these ovals and bands and curves, like it not an optical illusion, but as you look at as you concentrate on different aspects, you see different arcs, and um looks like looking into a kaleidoscope. That's right. Um we've got sort of uh sunburst gray dial here with it like a brown, like a oh the brown thing happened here. Brown and gold. Yeah. Um but this thing is beautiful. It's a 6L movement, 39-4 across, and the 6L is thin. Uh, this is coming out in February, limited 800 pieces, and it's 3100. And I think these are coming in at like just under 11 thick, which is great, and you get that sort of multi-piece uh bracelet that the King Seiko's do that I think is so so good. Um, and then we get a prospective hang on, with in that King Seiko the, the marker at twelve o'clock has uh down facing chevrons that are pointing towards the middle and and on each of the left and right marker. Just at the twelve o'clock. And just at the twelve o'clock. The double double marker at 12 o'clock. And that pulls like it it creates a really, really cool texture conflict with this concentric geosh and is just looks so, so good. Just doesn't have to be guilt. Yeah. I I don't mind the guilt here. I think that's. It's fine in guilt, but it doesn't have to be. Uh then we've got a prospex column wheel chronograph speed timer, uh which is sort of in this new hundred uh the sixty, seventy speed timer style they've done. But again, we get a I assume CNC Gioche dial. We also have gilt on this one, and it's sort of a creamy white dial. A little it looks about the color of the Sarb. Uh I think it's a little more metallic, a little more gold than the Sarb. Dang, this thing is really really good. Um, 700 pieces twenty-five hundred dollars. Um Um the pressage the this link that we have doesn't have a picture of the pressage, so we'll get a better we'll get a better link for the show notes. But um the pressage they have is sort of a uh a pocket watch like a like a a w wire lug pocket watch thing um and i i think it's my certainly my least favorite of the three automatics. Um but it's it's got its it's got its own it's got its own appeal. Um it is it is the way I is this a single lug? I don't know what we call this. It it's basically got two lugs that are really close together that it's not a single lug, but the lugs are really close together and they just sort of sit off the case in nubbins and we're talking about the pressage. Yeah. I I think I'd call that like a collar lug. Because it's almost like a pin and collar across the entire thing. It's it's totally closed. It's it's closer to a wire lug than anything else. Yeah, it's not really a wire lug. But the I then and then really good, really good sort of uh fluted bezel on this, like old school, super thin fluting on the bezel, huge onion crown. Um is this not my type of watch? It's kind of coming in on a a bit of a what do you call those leather straps that uh bunt? It's a little bit of a bunt strap, which eh I don't know. It's interesting. It looks like a pocket watch conversion lug and connection point. Yeah. That that's right. It it's it it that's right. That's I mean I think that's what it is. Um or at least what it's supposed to ape. Um so under 10 for the kinkseiko. Did I say 11? So 99 on the kinkseiko. Um 8R48 movement on the speed timer and I think that one's coming in at like 14 and a half. And then for the pocket watch we are 35 millimeters by 123 thick, which makes sense because it's sort of pocket watch size. It's gonna it's gonna sit up sort of pebble-like. Um with these really great gold leaf hands. The Astron, again, I I don't actually know the deal with Astron, so I'm not gonna really talk about it, but it is an SSH-186 movement um PVD case and bracelet with gold accents, uh super hard coating. Uh it's terrible. Forty-four point one millimeter case by fourteen millimeter. I s I saw a guy today at the Costco wearing an Invicta that looked like watches stacked on top of each other. Sure. Like you it was like there were they they had extra cases and I'm like, I know what to do. Yeah. Let's just weld these things together. Uh it had like a reinforced end link to support the weight of it going into the bracelet. It was absurd. Yeah. And that's what this watch makes you think of. Yeah. I mean I think every time we talk about Astronomy, I say this. I'm sure there's a market for it. It's not me. And if it's for you, great. You know, there's only they're only making $1,450 of these of the Astron. That and the uh Pressage they're making the most of. The others are like 700 for the Prospects and 800 for the King's Sake of. So I think that was originally your pick, but then I kind of took it over. So so do you want to go? No, I'll cede it to you. Oh wow. I'm gonna talk about synchron. Oh. So if you if you've been paying attention to Doxa, you probably are aware of the Synchron Group. It and if you're not aware of Synchron, you're certainly aware of Rick Murray, who is the guy who sort of revived Doxa working with the Jenny family. Rick Muryra revived Doxa back in the late 90s, early 2000s. Neighborhood. Yeah. Yeah. Um and and of course now Doxa is this huge uh this huge brand with great IP and um uh really sort of every year it sort of seems like they increase their footprint in uh the dive watch world and and they're and they're doing really are you wearing your doxa doxa right now uh they really are um I I think keeping up in a way that for instance, Seiko is not. So this year they released And and that Doxa wasn't even eight years ago. Well, sure, but I think We saw that we saw 'em ho put their foot on the gas like eight ish years ago and they have not relented.. Yeah Yeah. And and they're really diversifying, right? So we we've had the 200T uh the 200. And then this year we have we had the 250T come out, which is uh the GMT. We had the 750T come out, which I think is the greatest Doxa on earth. Um it's real big though. I love it. I it's it's real big, but it's like 11 thick. It's it wears really really, nice. Fucking terrific. Okay, okay. So anyway, Rick Murray, a few years ago, we don't know what happened. Nobody really knows all the details, but Rick Murray went from being part of Doxa to not being part of Doxa. However, he had in his time with Doxa revived a few brands, all part of the Synchron Group. So Doxa was initially part of the Synchron group, as was, I think, Ernst Barrel and um there's a couple more that are in there, but also like Tropic and Um oh what is isofrain. So he retained that IP when he left and he very quickly released the Synchron Army, which caused a bit of you could like a bit of like a social media middle finger frenzy. Anyway, uh here we are, many years after that happening, and it sort of feels like there was uh a lot of to-do of nothing. I if you don't know, synchron releases watches that look very much like Doxa watches. Uh Which is to say exactly the same. And they do so with just a little bit of uh bona fides, I think. Synchron has released what they're calling the C Lab TI 300 meters. This is a unsurprisingly a titanium 300 meter dive watch, and it is very very very similar to the 300T that Andrew is wearing on his wrist right now. But but But it's got two very meaningful differences. One, yeah, it's grade five titanium. And two, it is 11.9 thick, unlike the fourteen four I'm wearing I think that's on your wrist. Uh which means it's at least on paper a little bit better, I think. Is that right? Can we say that? I it's hard to say no. So in prior iterations of the C Lab, um like the the Synchron Army for instance, they were 14 millimeter cases. Uh, so we've gone down a lot here, a little over two millimeters. And uh, this looks great. It it looks like a Doxa, you guys. So flat sapphire crystal. So more 300T than say the 300. Yeah. Um, and it's made of of titanium. No, I'm gonna just say this is a problem. It does not come with a bracelet. Uh it's a problem for me. Yeah, but even not coming on a bracelet, we're still we're still working with a full titanium watch, 300 meters of water resistance, it under 12 thick, 990 US dollars on pre-order. Yep. Shipping in February, limited edition of 500 pieces. Uh these come with a Le Jou Pare G100 in the highest grade. Soigner grade. Soigner. You'll you'll tell me, Luke. Uh And it and and their their final price if you don't get it on the pre-order and there's any left, thirteen hundred and ninety. A three hundred T is like twenty one hundred bucks. Yeah. A three hundred is like twenty eight hundred bucks. This is thinner. It's using a different movement. I know. I think a better movement. Yeah. Yes. So so here's the deal with the the the LJP the Joupura G100 is a so citizen group owns Le Jou Paret. And when they acquired Le Jou Paré, I I can't remember the timing. Anyway, the Le Jou Paré G100 is built on the Miyota 9039 architecture. Uh, so like gear gear train placement and uh winding mechanism, etc. But they did it, they they changed it to fit the 28-24 um dimension. So it's it's basically like a 28-24 or a Solita S200 swap. It's not a one-to-one swap, but with the 90, the Miyota 9039 architecture, which I think is really cool, made in Switzerland, nicer, I think we've got nicer escapement. It's a slightly upgraded version of the Miyota 9039 architecture in a slightly different form factor. Um, and and not made by Miyota, obviously. This is made by Le Jou Pre different teams, um, but I think it's just a really cool story. And and I think it's a better movement than either the 28-24 or the S200. I I I just think it is. I I think it's more efficient. I think it's I think it's a little bit thinner. Um it's really cool. And and so the fact that he's using this movement I I think is uh thumbs up for me. But I'm a huge fan of them of that movement. I kinda like the middle finger with a good leg to stand on. Yeah. Of of Synchron this being historically Synchron IP and Doxa IP. I think Doxa by Synchron. Yeah. So the the middle finger with good legal standing is really cool. And and we saw it with the Synchron Army immediately followed by the Doxa army. Uh I I just I think I I like this. I like this kind of drama for the sake of drama. But also I'm just like gonna make a cool watch. You know, we never got that full story. Um I I was always hoping someone would reach out to us and give us that story, but um you know, Rick Murray left Jenny Group, left left Doxa, and pretty quickly thereafter announced the Schynron Army. And it was like within weeks. I think it was within days, if not weeks, um that Doxa announced theirs. And so I think that must have been something that had been whiteboarded when he left. That's my guess. I I I you know, I'm obviously making things up in the interest of drama, but I can just imagine like one week he's at Doxa, he's got a whiteboard of ideas in the future. He's maybe got some some images, you know, some some art group renders. And then they split up and he's like, well, fuck it. I'm gonna make the army over here. And they're like, no, no, no, we've already started that project, and they publish a picture that he made. Yeah. Wouldn't that be odd? I I don't feel like that's a that's something you made up. I like I that sort of feels like it up but I think it's possible. Yeah. Uh perhaps even likely. The the timing on it was too fast for a company as large as that to make that happen. Yeah. Right. There that's not a nimble enough organization to be able to just churn out some renders and a design and then go to market. Either way, there was some sour grapes there. Um Um and someday if if I ever get the opportunity to understand that story in more detail, I'll be happy to have that opportunity. And this whole weird dynamic between the two because the the it's clearly not water under the bridge as we're seeing Synchron release release uh Oh, you know, I don't know. I uh I I wouldn't go that far. I I think I think a lot of time s time cures a lot of these. You know, I I I don't I know nothing, right? I I can see how, you know, both of these companies, these people that are involved would come away a few years later and be like, no, we're good. We're all good. Um anyway, back to this watch. I'll just I think the only other thing I'd really like to say about this, it's awesome. It's very much a DOXA 300T that's thinner made out of titanium. No bracelet as discussed, but it comes with it comes default with a tropic strap. And when I say a tropic strap, I don't mean a basket patterned strap. I mean an actual tropic strap, or with an option you can get an isoframe. And I don't mean an iso frame looking strap. I mean a branded isoframe because because they own it. Because both of those IPs are synchron IPs. So um this is pretty cool. And if you're I don't know I I don't know um who who are this watch is for if you're just cost sensitive it if you like titanium if, you want something thinner, if you want to be different, uh you know, I always thought the um who is it? Is it Zinn that makes a naver? Because Zin made the Nava timer. Or they had some rights to the IP or license. Anyway, I I always thought, you know, it would be really cool to have a Zen Nava timer. I would like to have a Zen Nava timer, I think, more than a Bright Link Nava timer. I w I like the the old Brightling logo Nava timers. I don't like the new logo on the Nava timer. The the the cursor? The B, yeah. I like the old one, just like the the wings. Okay. Okay. Well, in any event. This this feels a little bit to me like that. Al although maybe it's not quite. I think the the the Synchron army is more like that than this because this is new. Yeah. This is this is new for either brand. This is like cutting edge stuff. This is taking a big prospect dive watch and slimming it down and improving the technology. This thing is gonna wear like an absolute dream. I do really love the fonts that they use. These are just wonderful fonts. I don't love the bezel fonts. But those, I I think those I get a pass on those because of the way they feel. But the dial fonts that Synchron uses, oh man. Oh man. I mean it it's it's bizarre to look at these watches side by side. Yeah, this is the same watch. Yeah. It's the same. Unapologetically, so yeah. Yeah, so 41 millimeters wide, 45 lug-to-lug, eleven nine thick, uh grade five titanium le Jou Puré, which means twenty-eight, eight hundred, sixty hours power reserve, which is an increase over the the 90 39, of course. Um tungsten rotor, four position adjustment. Um yeah, yeah. 990 if you buy at the introductory level. That's a really good value. Yeah. Yeah, agreed. I I I'm sad. I'm sad about no strap. Uh no bracelet. So I think that would be my call. My my call would be to synchron and say hey is a bracelet forthcoming on these this is a limited edition it's obviously a fundraising model i is there a bracelet that's forthcoming yeah i think if there's a bracelet forthcoming on that platform, then this becomes an even more interesting proposition because then you're into it for two colors for under two thousand bucks. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Uh that would convince me to buy two. What's next? Bubba? Oh, uh, because I bet the next one will be in steel. I bet he'll do this watch in steel with a non like maybe not a full limited release, but a well that would be too bad. I I mean it would be too bad if we couldn't get this in titanium. I want this watch in it with a black dial in titanium. I bet this comes in three colors in steel in the next eighteen months. Probably with a bracelet too. Well maybe, but I want it in titanium with a black dial. On a bracelet. I understand your wants, but you you know there's a song about that. Hey! Hey! Motherfucker! I might have it! There's just a just get the fuck out. Um why do you think he does that? He just pisses on my hopes and dreams and just tries to take me down every day. Because it's fun. It's why why I do this show. Uh this is a brand we've never talked about before. Vintage Horology. This is an Emirati brand. Uh and they have launched the Strata, an integrated sports watch with a micro motor. Micro rotor movement. Whoa. A micromotor. Micro rotor movement. This is a really lovely cushion case, kind of evoking the fears feel of vintage inspired watchmaking. This is a brand created by the Sadiqi family. They're a retailing family. Got a little something right there still. They premiered in 2023 with a monograph, which is a hand well monopusher chronograph. And I don't think we talked about it. I looked at it and I was like, I remember seeing this, but I guess we maybe didn't talk about it. Um again, a kind of this isn't exactly geoche esque, but it's not exactly not. It's kind of a diamond textured uh CNC into the dial. Uh I'll say by and large, I like everything about this watch. It's a 40 millimeter square cushion case, 8.92 thick, grade 5 titanium, 100 meters of water resistance. Um it is based off of what movements is based off of? It's a um a manufacturer caliber VHM 3.01. Um don't know any. I don't know who's who voucher. Oh Voucher. Oh there it is. Yeah. Um and here's where the problem comes for me. I was like, oh, this is this is a cool watch. 16,000 euros. Um, zoom in on that date window. Mm-hmm. It's just kind of sloppy. If you get some of these angled pictures, you can see, and I don't know if maybe it's the camera they're taking the pictures with, but there's imperfections on the borders of these date windows. It's better than that. That's a bad picture you're looking at. But it's in all of these I I the I think the lens issue they've got they've got much better photos of this watch. It's done really well. The yeah, here. Look well that one looks good, but in half of these pictures, the date window looks problematic and it's a cool as shit movement with a great like it's a really, really lovely micro rotor movement, well decorated. Uh the finishing on the rest of the watch looks fantastic. The dial is beautiful. But in half of the pictures, it looks like there's blemishes on the border of the date window. And for a $16,000 watch, that doesn't work for me. Yeah, I think that I think that these are probably almost perfect in practice, Andrew. If I had to guess. So uh uh a few notes from me. Uh uh um Ahmed Sadiqi is I think either the largest or I think they're the largest watch retailer in the Gulf. They are family they found Dubai Watch Week. That runs Dubai Watch Week. That's right. So they are no stranger to selling watches. And and they've also the so this is their house brand and and they've released a number of watches under their house brand. Um I I don't know if you said it Andrew, but I I think you you must have grade five titanium, screwdown crown on this, 100 meters of water resistance, and it's under nine millimeters thick. Everything the spec sheet is perfect i think that this watch is probably an absolute stunner uh i think we've got cnc the i think those engravings on the on the dialer CNC. With that said, it's like an anodized tone on that. I don't love the color red, frankly. I wish it was a different color. But silvered Ozenge hands, do you know what Ozenge is or Ozenji? It's probably like tantalum. It's like a metal they're using just because they can. Uh and then of course this movement is just fucking ridiculous. It is a and it's a gorgeous movement. Uh the gear, the way that the bridges are set, you can see the train, the gear train underneath. Um Um and it's micro rotor, of course, which is just one of my favorite things. I I think this thing is super duper. You know what? Tungsten rotor. What like makes my makes my mouth kind of slobbery in in a good way. Look at the fitment of this in like and you can tell these are real photos. Because they're they're not bad photos. Yeah. Nor are they fantastic. You can tell that these are pictures. Yeah. And and I'll just say I don't love this style of bracelet. So this is um a a s the bracelet remi yeah it's a four link and it reminds me a little of the bracelet that you get with like the Hamilton Field khaki mechanical when they come with one, which has the two links in the middle that are always the links are independent. And so here in the photos we're seeing, they're never quite lined. I just don't understand why you would have instead of just one flexibility. Is it more flexible? Presumably it's got more joints. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm feeling that. I think for this, for this style, like this era of style, I think it works. It looks really good. Um because I don't think a three link would work. It it it looks really good. And you know, integrated. I I think this is I think this is terrific. Circle and a square, uh kind of uh similar to a uh BRO five. I mean not the same, obviously, but it's got sort of the similar instrument uh BRO5 uh with you know not not the same curvier case, more of a Tano than a true square. But um I I'm a big fan of this. It it's too expensive for me. Uh it makes sense that I'm an Emirati brand, like people people are are the gonna drop this money, not even think about it. Yeah. Yeah. The people who buy this watch or and if they put it on and it's not ticking, they won't think to wind it. They'll just throw it out. Like, oh it's broke. Oh boy. Yeah, I think it's really great. I I like the crown on this thing too. It's it's a I've never seen a crown quite like this. Um it's the crown kind of has a bit of a space age thing going on. It's kind of Darth Vader helmet-y. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I I am concerned that being a 40 millimeter case in this shape, it's gonna wear big. I mean maybe not concerned. I just I would I would be conscious of that if this were a watch that were I think with the thinness it's okay. Even in my conversational like dialect. Yeah, I I yeah this is this is a really killer. No second hands, just a two-hander. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Didn't didn't mention that. Which is something that I'm surprised we don't see more of. Um I think this would be fire as a small seconds. Like a small second subdial to six. Yeah. That'd do it. Yeah, we haven't talked about this brand because I think it's just really not on anybody's radars here. Uh, with that said, I think it's it's a brand to watch. Obviously, they're making pretty expensive watches, but um okay. We I said we were done with Seiko, I think, or I said let's get the Seiko out of the way, but we missed one. Well, this isn't Seiko. We missed one. You're right, Andrew. It's not Seiko. It's not. Crator is releasing a not to be confused with Hodor limited edition of 60 pieces, what they're calling the GCBY 911. This is a gold feather, uh a crater gold feather. Uh if you know about the gold feather, you know that it is a very famous watch, uh, which at times has been, I think, I think at one point one of the thinnest watches in the world uh uh always been a staple for Seiko's sort of higher end watchmaker uh watch brand. Crator is a brand that Seiko holds to do its most sort of fine hotorology, dressy shit. Um but you know what they'd hold from it too? What? They're in unforgivable thickness. They don't force that on Credour. They don't. That's that's right. So what we have is a porcelain dialed gold feather here, uh, created in collaboration with Hatamantuan, which I don't know anything about, but it's a prestigio prestigious Japanese kiln specializing in Imari Nadashima wear which I guess if you know things about things then maybe you'll know what that is? It's probably of import. M R E Nabishima porcelain was produced exclusively for the shogunate and fugal lords feudal lords using techniques closely guarded within the domain. Um and Hataman Tuan continues this legacy today, preserving classical motifs, while refining materials, techniques, and finishings. I I was reading that, by the way, that I didn't come up with that by myself. Um, here what we have is a translucent white base that radiates out to a cobalt blue on the outside. Imagine if you had one of those blue dye uh things in your toilet tank and you flushed. And now the toilet's empty and the blue dyes just pour them back in. Uh and we have a feather motif, a cobalt blue feather motif that's also an ombre that appears at I think that means there are twenty-four of these feathers that are that circle the die. They're like alternating triangles. The'yre peaking on atop the markers and then at the end of the markers between them. That's right. It is a really interesting geometric experience to look at this thing. Yeah. And they paint them on before glazing, so everything's sort of transparent and under the glaze. Uh, five firings. It super deep and weird and crazy. With the the logo and the name of the watch printed on the underside of the dial. So you get cool light play. Yeah, the shadows created through that. Yeah. Or not on the underside of the underside of the crystal crystal. Yeah. So you get cool shadows cast by this text on the crystal. Yeah. This is gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah. Um we've got a 37 millimeter, a 37.1 millimeter case that is 8.3 thin, uh which means this is really really good dress watch proportions. Hand wound caliber 6890, which is if if you've never put eyes on one of these things, uh, this is probably one of the nicest Japanese movements on earth. Umly 1.98 millimeters thick on that movement, and only a tiny amount of people that are making these. Um, yeah, these things are just absolutely lovely. They're about 15,000 euro. And there's only 60. And there's only 60 of these being 15,000 seems right. Yeah. There's that I have absolutely no question about that. Unlike the unlike the vintage that we looked at. Yeah. Yeah. I mean i if you owned one of these things and you busted this out for your black tie evenings, that was I mean this thing's so fucking cool. Can you imagine this with a like uh just a perfect crispy tux with like a blue bow tie. Oh my god. Give it give it up. Uh this and they would. They would all give it up for you. Panty dropper is what this is. Just craters in the ground around you. You know, I it's my favorite thing about being into watches is chicks are so into it. They love it. Like you just they like they see it and they just had they don't even know what to do with themselves. I'm glad I'm glad the wives don't listen to this show anymore. Uh I don't think they ever did. I think they listened to us on mute. Just for the listens. Listen to it on mute. Um This is beautiful, man. Yeah, this is this is some See Seiko can make things thin. Yeah, it and and and I think these are not being made by Seiko. I'm I mean not in any meaningful sense. Seiko owns Creador, but I think Crador is its own thing. So they own the ability to do it. Yeah, yeah. Uh what's next? Oh boy. Um there's not very much left. There's not. very much Feels like you're struggling to pick the one the one watch that we haven't talked about. Oh, there's two of them. There's two of them, and I I'm not really very excited about either of them. Um this one's just the next on. So this is the Makina Andras to Gray. And and we have we talking about a lot of dress e watches today. I was gonna say, are you gonna call this a dress watch? But you backed it up. It's clearly inspired by a dress watch and hat and desires to like evoke the um the thing that a dress watch does without doing any of the things that a dress watch is supposed to do. So what we have here is a pretty classic rectangle shape. Really not much to talk about with the rectangle there, except everything to talk about. This thing is shaped like a like a German pillbox bunker with these really, really gradual uh downward angles away from what we'll call the bezel, which is not actually a bezel, just down low angles down. Uh huge, huge boxy case. Um, but it happens in such a small amount of space. This is a 33 millimeter case, 44 lug to lug, and an 11 and a half thick. So they're they're like kind of tricking your brain here a little bit because this thing looks huge with those really gentle angles away from the bezel to create almost like a I don't I even know what to call it. It it's a just a big freaking angle on the side of this very otherwise thin watch that adds three millimeters on either side. So so realistically, what we're working with here is a 30 millimeter rectangle with like three millimeters of skirt on either side. Uh it's this really, really heavily brushed, absolutely no polish appearing, but then when you get in closer, there's good polished angles on it. Okay. Enough about kind of the confusion of of the the case shape. We'll get to the dial. This is a matte gray dial with a twelve o'clock logo and a bizarro handset that looks more like tuning forks to me, than anything else. Yeah., I think that's fair I I think that's just what we have to go with. They look a little bit like a s like a Star Wars ship, like an elongated Star Wars fighter. Okay. But tuning fork, I think, is probably Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with tuning forks. So silver tuning forks, uh light blue, kind of like what I would think like auto sports blue tips on them, silver markers inside this indented hour track, right? The the this layer of dial with a subsequent oval indent that travels thirty percent up the dial like two thirds of the dial and then another thirty percent below for your second track. Uh you know, all in all, as weird as this watch is, I really like it. It is, it feels to me like a 1980s watch, imagining what 2020 is going to look like. But here it is in 2020. I'm like, that's still you you you shot way past the mark on this one. This is what you should have been imagining like 2050 to look like. Uh the colors on it are all really good for me. But But I don't get it. I think that's maybe the issue here. Is I I don't I don't get it. This watch is like just too cool for me. Um only 800 bucks though. So I think this is like maybe a reasonable flyer if you're looking for something in kind of that like 80s futuristic vibe. It's just it's super weird to me. The the dial looks like almost like a keyhole, like a handcuff keyhole uh that the the dial fits into within the dial. Yeah, I can see that. No, you know, Linkina is a brand that does really sort of I think that they lean heavily on the avant-garde. For all of our talk about, you know, this watch looks different, I like that, or uh, you know, this watch looks boring, I don't like that. Um it's refreshing to see a brand like this, a brand like this. And by that, what do I mean? I mean a brand that's making affordable watches, that is really taking chances and taking risks. I think sometimes they do a really good job. And then other times, you know, they had their, I think they called it the Azazel, uh, which I didn't like at all. Um, the Mefistos I think are okay I I'm sort of into this so Makina is a Filipino brand uh and I think that the uh the owner of of Of Mephisto is a guy who is just super into watches and he sold like a couple hundred thousand dollars of very, very nice watches in order to start this brand and is just making watches that he loves, and I'm like, I'm kind of here for that, man. Um, and I think this is a hit. It this is not a watch that everybody's gonna like. I think it's maybe not a watch that Andrew likes. It just it it's a miss for me. And I don't know where it's missing because I like all of the components. D Danilo Villanueva is his name. I I knew I would find it. Um for me, I think that this is a hit. It's not a miss for me. And and and and so that is I mean I think that's the nature of these things. What it is w what what I think more importantly we can say is that the reason everybody makes the same watch, so I I had a conversation with some with some friends in the last couple of weeks, and we were talking about Tutor. Tutor the the watch. Have you heard of them? So Tutor. Oh, they uh they what do they do? Um they do that huge ridiculous dive watch, right? What's it like? The the Black Bay 94 uh So we were talking about Tudor and I was like, you know, uh I I really wish Tudor would bring back the North flag. To me, the Tudor North Flag is the coolest watch Tudor has ever made. It was a Kusk watch with great dimensions. Um integrated before integrated was cool again. Um funky but not bizarre. Um I mean it's the coolest watch they've ever made and they discontinued it and it doesn't seem like it's gonna come back. Although I will say about a week after I had that conversation, I think Warren and Wound released an article or someone said they should bring that back. Anyway. Um your phone's listening to you. And that's where Mike is getting all of his ideas from. Um The problem is the tutor has the black bay, and the black bay is a chocolate milkshake and they sell a fuck ton of them because it's not, it's the opposite of risky. It is the most popular watch platform made by the most popular watch producer on earth. It's affordable relatively. It is it it is for many people a gateway watch and they can sell eight bajillion of them to eight bajillion metal managers and they they don't have time or money to make the North flag. They don't have time or money to take the risks. I don't think it's a that they don't have the manufacturing ki capacity to do anything other than the Black Bay. McKina's exactly the opposite. Everything's a risk. And I like that. And I'm I and I'm so I'm gonna applaud McKeah for only making they don't have a sub. They don't have a simple, easy to digest. I mean, you you know, you look at these Mephistos, some of them are fairly. I I mean, if you kind of squint, it's like, okay, that's a dive watch. But this like weirdo brutalist angular pebble rectangle thing is bizarre and I think kind of awesome. The dial on this thing is awesome. It is awesome. Multiple layers, tons of dimension. These Millennium Falcon hands are weird and cool and interesting. Uh, the subdial, the sub-seconds is weird and it's like a reverse painted anyway. I I think this is also this is also indicative of Eastern and Western, just pure style preferences. I maybe I don't know. I don't know. I mean this doesn't seem like anybody this doesn't seem like Japanese. I mean it's Filipino, right? So I don't what that means. If there is there a Filipino watchdown, I'm not sure. It maybe this is it. This thing's fucking rad. I I uh not even to say you should go buy this watch. I just think the idea of this watch, I think the spirit of this watch is fucking rad. I really like this that this watch exists and I like that it exists at an affordable price point. Uh and it looks well made. When you look at the photos of it, everything super well made. Everything looks good. I just I I don't I don't get it. SW260-1, five five meters water resistance, which is fine for this watch. Um the dimensions on it are fantastic. Yeah. I I think it's great. I I'm I'm I'm into it. Makina, you're awesome. We should get Villand Wave, but I wish I understood you. We should get him on the show. Uh final watch. It is a Finnish watch. Man, the Finns, we've been talking about them. From an independent watchmaker called Cortella Volta. Cortella and Volta are last names of the makers. Roop Cortella and Rene Volta. I don't know anything about this brand. They made the Ica Eka watch that we did talk about on the show last year, which is beautiful, kind of a beautiful sectory small seconds dress watch. Um, I don't remember what we said about it. I like it. When I look at it now, I do know we talked about it. Um, this is an Omega Caliber 266 Gear Train watch. It's sort of a manufacture caliber, which if that suggests to you that this is gonna be an expensive watch, you are you would be correct. You would be correct. This is a watch that is coming in at 25,500 euro, excluding any VAT or tax, available for pre-order. Uh, so just get that out of the way. We're getting it out of the way. Uh, beyond that, I'm just gonna start with dimensions. I'm gonna go the opposite direction. It is a 38.5 millimeter times nine millimeter high stainless steel brushed and polished dress watch with a grand few enamel dial that is simple. It is grand feud gorgeous with an Omega Caliber 266 gear train in-house made with a free sprung balance and platinum poison weights made out of German silver. It's gorgeous. Tip to tail. So let's explain the watch a little bit. This is a sectary small seconds dress watch with a printed enamel dial with ab so lutely stunning in-house made hands. If you look at this watch, just pause and stop what you're doing and take a look and realize that almost everything that's happened here happened in-house. They did all of this and they nailed it. We have a number of brands that we see that are like this, um, you know, RGM or um you know, anyway, this is a very small brand. And and we see this from time to time, but we don't always see I think perfection and execution the way we do this. So for the toka, we've got this omega gear train, uh that's hand-built into a movement with this really cool plate down at the bottom of the movement, totally exposed escapement. Um, not exposed, it's underneath sapphire. Uh hand finished with a number of different textures, all this beautiful German silver. Small seconds down at six, which interferes with the sector portion of the dial. It kind of curves around in this sort of art deco, very 1920s Chicago feel to me. Um great size, nine millimeters in height, under thirty-nine millimeters, forty-seven millimeter, lug to lug. The case is perfect. I think the case is perfect. That's what I'm gonna say about this case, Andrew. I don't think you can draw up a critique uh of anything on this watch. There's no no critiques. I I mean price. That's the only critique you but that's what this is the hand finishing and the the labor that went into this. The hand finish the case in house, so this how the case is CNC machined in like sort of a bulk fashion, sent to them. Everything's hand done from there. Beautiful craftsmanship every step of the way. And these hands, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew. These hands. Oh my gosh. Yeah, you just you haven't seen hands finished quite like this before. Yeah, and and and an in-house free sprung balance wheel is that second hand. That's crazy. That's crazy. Look at the bevel on on the on the second hand where it connects to the to the It's got like a dog bolt.. Yeah Yeah. Yeah, I mean this thing is just the it's a piece of it's a piece of art. I if you were gonna spend twenty five thousand dollars on a watch and you came to me and said, I'm thinking about this I. I'd have a hard time saying don't. I I mean of course we don't know enough about the company to be able to say I stand by this company. They might be fucking terrible people. I don't this is maybe maybe the defining picture of this handset. Yeah. The shadow cast by the hour hand is so sharp. The shadow. Yeah. Yeah. I I that's a that's a more defined shadow than I create as a human person. Uh this thing's crazy, man. You know, I I I feel like this is y you know, when people say, Oh, why do you talk about these watches that you can't afford or would never get? I won't ever have this. I'll never see one. I just love that it exists. I can appreciate this. So yeah. Really cool watch. Andrew. Other things. What do you got? Ooh, I have another thing. It's kind of a weird other thing. So my uh six-year-old the other day was like, I want to watch Ratatouille. I was like, okay, cool. He's like, no, I want to watch the real one. And I was like, What does that mean? That's what I said. I was like, there's not a real Ratatouille. My -10year-old's like, yeah, no, it's on Amazon. I'm like, no, you're that's incorrect. You're wrong. And they're like, no, it's a show. Like, yo, wrong. Like Ratatouille's a Disney movie where a rat controls a fellow by his hair and they cook. They're like, yeah, a guy did it. And there's a show. And I'm like, oh my gosh. So we play the fuck around game trying to find what they want. And they get me to this fella named Nick Di Giovanni and his Amazon show called Food Experiments. And his first episode is Is he apparently spent a year training a rat to do all manner of uh like item selection and little obstacles by which he more or less did make a ratatouille. I was like, okay, I think I kind of hate this and kind of like it all at once. So Nick Di Giovanni is a very young chef who rose to fame on Master Chef, uh, was the a third place winner, I don't remember what season, um, but then was kind of taken under Gordon Ramsay's wing. He graduated from Harvard, and I guess at Harvard you get to create your own degree, where his degree was in like culinary arts and environmental science or some stupid shit like that. It doesn't matter. Um, but because of his age and the era at which he was uh joining the world, he got really famous on social media and became kind of like a YouTube TikTok star, kind of of the Mr. Beast Ilk. Um so we've been watching the show, and there's at least two seasons available on Amazon Prime right now, and he's kind of fun to watch because he knows exactly what he's doing in the kitchen, but then also does like this kind of dude perfect feel. Uh, for example, I watched an episode today with the kids and it was him and Babish from Binging with Babish doing the entire SpongeBob menu. Uh and the way they were doing it wasn't just like weird. It was clearly two professional chefs figuring out a way to do this thing and then providing like real insight and getting creative in how to do it and how to achieve these things. He does like these couple shorts where it's like 50 ways to cook a steak, 50 ways to cook an egg. It's very fun, consumable content and my kids love it and it's not like Mr. Beast. It's not take your pick of these social media stars. And it's also a nice break from Is it cake? Much as I love is it cake? I can only watch so much Is It Cake. Sure, yeah. Uh but he's he's interesting. And it's it's very much in the vein of binging with Babish, but kind of geared more towards social media rather than the long form that binging with babish started with on YouTube. Uh and it's interesting. He's worth a watch. Uh I haven't read his cookbook and I probably won't ever get it because I I don't I don't care that much, but he he has captured my attention. Uh and he he the episode we were watching when when you came over was with um Uncle Richard, I think is his name. He's a a Chinese oh yeah. Social media chef.. It's not Richard Yeah, it's Uncle Richard. No. Roger. Uncle Roger. Uncle Roger. Uncle Roger. But that's not what his name is, is it? That's what he that's what he goes by. Uh and the the But he's actually he talks with this like super pick accent, but he's actually like American. Yeah. It it would it would be like offensive if he was if he was white. Right. Um and what's the guy's name? Um Andre Rush was the celebrity guest judge for it. And if you don't know anything about Andre Rush as a chef, like he's this bizarro uh army chef who got who rose to fame because he's also like a bodybuilder. Sure. And uh a CNN reporter took a picture of him cooking on the White House lawn and was like, what the fuck is going on with this guy? And then he got famous and started getting into cooking shows and stuff. Um but uh Nick Di Giovanni and his food experiments on Amazon Prime are fairly short, like consumable, fun. Uh I don't know if I'd call them informative. They're no less informative than any other cooking show. Uh, but they're fun and he's entertaining and he has like social media guests and he just did a cook-off with uh Logan Paul where in one of the rounds Nick uh cooked with a blindfold on. So like yeah, kinda still kind of in that social media thing. Um, but not as not as bad as it could be. And we're not watching Mr. Beast. So I call that a win. That is a win, yeah. That is a win. Um cool. Worth worth checking out. I've I've got another thing. Do we? Uh I uh uh so my daughter is well all all of my kids are pretty musical, but my daughter in particular is really sort of uh getting into music theory and music production and music creation. Uh and she had asked for a very specific gift. Uh I I'm I'm being cheeky only because I'm I'm hiding the ball just a little bit. She'd asked for this gift, and I looked at it and I was like, that I just don't get it. But you know she's like you, so that like this was as specific as it was for of for a reason. Correct, correct. So she asked for a what's called a stylophone and specifically she wanted a bowie stylophone because she's into bowie, which is who's not my favorite things. Um and so we got these things. It's 40 bucks. It's 40 bucks. And so I got one of these things. And and and if you don't know what a style phone is, so what this is, is this is a small electronic device. And by small I, mean it's about the size of like a small paperback book. Oh, that's even smaller than I thought. I was expecting like a like a computer keyboard. No, uh no. Like a sixty percenter. Nope. A little thicker than that. Um but like, you know, maybe like a a s like a small dictionary. Yeah, you know, one of the little ones. So probably about eight inches wide and maybe about five inches deep, and then maybe two and a half to three inches tall on the Z axis. Uh it comes with a little um it comes with a little stylus, a a K I you know, I e a style phone. And this when they oh I that's that's fun. Andrew's got like the Amazon's see it in your room. See it in your room. Uh I mean it's little I just looked at my desk like it was gonna be there. It it's it's little. Um and and add it to my cart. And when you connect this it's got little pads, little metal pads that are laid out like a key like a keyboard. And when you connect the stylus to a pad, it makes a tone, an electronic, a really characteristic electronic tone. And uh God, I will just tell you, this thing is so much fun. Now, if I could go back and she wanted this Bowie one, and I'm glad I got her the one she wanted. But for a hundred bucks, you can get a version of this that is drastically better. That's got attack, decay, a waveform, rate, depth, a cutoff, levels. Um like a full synthesizer set versus like a fairly limited well and so theramin also makes a theremin also makes like for another thirty dollars so for a hundred and thirty dollars a full-on stylophone synthesizer, uh, which you you can connect to, you know, ports, and there's a couple of different variations on this, but um I will just say for 40 bucks, what a fun instrument. We've had a good we've had a a ton of fun with it. And if you know piano at all and you know keys, then then it'll be really natural to you. But also it's a very small section of the keyboard. So if you just want to get like some tabs and learn the notes, it's super easy. I mean, probably about 20 minutes, and you could be using this thing to play music. And it's really fun and it makes fun noise. It's got onboard speakers, right? It's got an onboard speaker and it makes this really like eighties, seventies, eighties electronic. It's really cool. It is a really cool little instrument. And I think if you've got anybody who's musical, certainly um you know there are better ways to do everything it does. Probably objectively speaking. But I don't know that there's anything else that would that does kind of what this does with the stylus. It just has this really it's funky and weird. And furthermore, I'll just say I can imagine for someone like Betty or for someone who's making music, this having a world there there being a world in which you could use this for the creation of music to make music that really you can't make with anything else. It's like that Star Trek instrument. You put your hand in and yeah that's that's right. It's just it's just super clever. Um Yeah, I love it. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. What's the name of that uh instrument they use on the office theme song? Isn't an accordion? No, it's not, it's not. Uh it is called a melodica. It is this little keyboard that has a hose that you blow into. And it's like the first time I saw one of these things, they're pretty cheap. All of them are pretty cheap. Like the most expensive mulatic because they're a couple hundred bucks. And the first time I saw one of these things, I was like, dude, I gotta get one of these um that makes it even funnier yes it this the the stylophone feels to me a little bit like a melodica there's no other instrument that's gonna make that noise. Oh my gosh. That makes the theme song even funnier. Yeah, melodicas are crazy. I I always thought it was an accordion. Funky and weird and the style of funky. Because you because it has that airflow that that I that just made me think that it was an accordion. Yeah, it's because it's lung power. Yeah. Yeah. Uh Andrew, anything you want to add before we get going for the week? You've you've totally blown my world wide open with respect to obscure instruments. Thank you. Hey folks, thanks for joining us for this episode of Forty and Twenty, the WatchClicker Podcast. Uh do me a favor, go to our website, it's WatchClicker.com. Uh, we used to post reviews there. I don't think we do anymore, but maybe we will someday again. If you want to follow us on social media, you can do that at WatchClicker or at 4020 underscore watchclicker. Both of those are on Instagram. That's where we post pictures or uh news about things we're doing on the podcast or that we're not doing on the website. If you would like to support us, you can do that at patreon.com slash 40 and 20. 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