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Year of the FIRE Horse (375)

Published on Tue, 06 Jan 2026 21:59:00 -0800

Synopsis

Andrew and Everett host this episode of the Forty and Twenty WatchClicker podcast, though both are recovering from recent illnesses that affected them through the end of the year. They discuss the challenges of working during the holiday season and note they're recording on Tuesday instead of their usual Monday schedule.

The hosts dive into several watch releases, starting with multiple Chinese New Year watches celebrating the Year of the Fire Horse. They cover the Oris 43mm chronograph, Tag Heuer Carrera chronograph, and two Vario Versa dual-time models. The conversation includes detailed discussions of the Bernhardt Binnacle Diver Version 2 and its special Cypher Diver variant made in collaboration with Monticello (Thomas Jefferson's estate), which features a UV-activated cipher alphabet on the bezel. Other notable watches discussed include the Island Puck from Himmel (a New York-based brand), Hamilton's boutique-exclusive Khaki Field Mechanical 38mm editions for Zermatt, Tokyo, Hong Kong, and Lancaster, and several higher-end pieces like the Finnish Vutiany 216 TMZ World Time and the unusual Anti Roko "Son of Tony."

They also cover more technical releases like the Bulman Decompression O2 dive watch, which incorporates Dr. Albert Buhlmann's decompression algorithms, and various collaborations including the Vario x Scout Motors Workhorse chronographs. In their "Other Things" segment, Andrew discusses his new Work Sharp Precision Adjust knife sharpener, while Everett enthusiastically recommends the 2025 Paul Thomas Anderson film "One Battle After Another" starring Leonardo DiCaprio, leading to a broader discussion about DiCaprio's acting career and the film "There Will Be Blood."

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to Fortyand20, the WatchClicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? So good. U
Everett h actually I'm terrible. Not terrible. I'm I'm better today. Uh I've been sick. I've been sick. I um got sick and then I got better. And then I got sick again. I was just telling you, I think I had I had like back to back bugs
Andrew . Uh which has been which
Everett has been a little weird. It it sort of coincided with the end of the year too and like everything gets weird at the end of the year. So
Andrew 'cause your kids never leave and
Everett Yeah, and just with work too, like And
Andrew you were traveling and that's right. That'
Everett s right. So uh and in our l
Andrew ines of work, the like the level of importance doesn't change, but your willingness to be able to do anything or action on anything, it's like everything's closed right now. Like yeah, I'm gonna give you the I'm gonna give you effort, but nobody's at work. Like w I I'm just alone right now.
Everett Yeah, I I I will say um like the general expectation is that nothing's gonna happen in these periods of
Andrew time. So uh people generally
Everett try to avoid like having deadline things and people are pretty gracious with extensions and deadlines. So um yeah, I did another attorney dirty. I I filed a summary judgment which required a response to be due
Andrew on the third. And I was
Everett like I if you need some time, go ahead and take it. I you know, you have to ask the court for it. But uh I wasn't trying to do that.
Andrew I I could have filed this three days later, but you know, not a big deal
Everett . I couldn't. We were yeah, anyway. You know, it's just these these little things that pop up around the end of the year. So um, but but yeah, being sick was uh was the pits, but I feel like fingers crossed, I'm I'm through the worst of it. Andrew, how are you
Andrew ? Um well you know, I'm also on the tail end of all of our own illnesses. My wife got uh they called it super strep last week. Uh I guess when they do uh when they do a strep test they have to like put it in some kind of solution and then wait for it to change colors and apparently hers there was no waiting it was just like touch it to the solution it's activated it's like oh yeah no you got you got strep so fortunately, antibiotics made her bounce right back. Uh whatever I have is not strep. Um it's just some weird cold that I'm coming on the end of, you know, same same game, like end of the year. Happy New Year, everyone. Um haven't uh yeah, we're having a having a weird start to the year. So
Everett yeah, we are a day late. So this e
Andrew pisode will come out Wednesday. And that's
Everett not because I've just failed to upload it. It's because it
Andrew 's actually Tuesday night. We recorded late
Everett . Yeah. Yeah. So that's gonna happen. Actually, we
Everett still might make our Tuesday. We still might make a Tuesday release.
Andrew Let's do it. We got it.
Everett It'll be Tuesday on the West Coast at the very least. Yeah
Andrew . Well, that's the real coast. Ye
Everett ah, yeah. That's right. Um, but here we are. We're gonna talk
Everett about watches. You know, this is a weird time for the format of the show because there's just not a lot of releases happening right now. Um I reached back into December a little bit, picked up some things we missed. Um I think half of yours were watches that we've already talked about.
Andrew As always. Um, yeah, so
Everett it's just a little bit of a dry
Everett time of year for new releases, which is fine. Which is fine. Maybe we'll be under an hour. Probably not
Andrew . Never are. Never are. Okay. We we used to have this conversation, like are we gonna have enough? Are we gonna be able to cover it? And those are always our longest episodes. Yeah. So there's no pressure. We can just talk about watches.
Everett Yeah. seem like those episodes we do feel like a little bit more comfortable just vibing and and I think sometimes that that turns out well in any event we do have watches to talk about andrew would you like to lead us off
Andrew we do and I want to start. D
Everett id you get new L bean slippers? Uh these
Andrew aren't L Bean, these are isotoners. Oh
Everett wow. And you know what? They last exact
Andrew ly as long. And they are exactly as comfortable. Uh I know that because I I walked out to um Sam's car four days ago. She was leaving and forgot something on the counter. So I hustled it out to her and the ground was wet. And when I walked inside, so too were my feet. And I was like, oh, time for new slippers. And I pulled up the Amazon order. Fourteen months since I bought the last pair of isotoner slippers. Uh and that's how long my LL bean slippers last. Fourteen months.
Everett Oh, interesting. I get about three years
Andrew out of the LL beans. I I did Well no, we talked about this actually because there was uh a clear manufacturing change because Kim's also didn't last very long. Ye
Everett ah, hers had some defects in the game ye
Andrew ah and I there had they just had to make some manufacturing changes um because mine initially felt like they would last a good long time and 14 months later like the souls' falling off one of them. star Itted talking to me.
Everett Boo. Yeah. So I I'm going with
Andrew these. These are like thirty bucks on Amazon. They last a lot che
Everett aper, yeah. They last a year and a little
Andrew change. And they're
Everett just as comfortable. At le
Andrew ast right out of the box. And I don't feel bad wearing them outside or like doing gross stuff in them because they cost next to nothing.
Everett Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Good call
Andrew . We have our first Chinese New Year limited release from Oris.
Everett We there have been like five Chinese New Year releases.
Andrew Uh, we're the first one we're talking about on the show. All
Everett right, fair enough. So this is ahead
Andrew of the year of the fire horse. This is a limited edition from O
Everett ld Horse?
Andrew You know, everywhere I've read it says the fire horse. So I don't know why. I I I should probably ask one of the kids why it's the fire horse, um, as opposed to just the horse. Uh, but I don't know. So this is their 43mm case, it's running on their caliber 113 movement, uh, and it's this you know, usually I don't get down with like just the color release editions. This is a really good red with gold markers, uh very subtle horse characters on your three o'clock subdial, really good sunburst, uh, kind of ombre rather than burst color on those subdials. Uh, and I I like everything about this. This is a watch that uh even at the 43mm case, 13-1 thick, whoof, 50 lug-to-lug, and only 50 meters of water resistance. This is a watch that I think I would wear. Uh they're only making eighty eight because it is uh in in honor of the lucky number eight. Um so they're making rather than eight of them, they're making eighty eight of them. U
Everett h yeah, it's a big bitch. Is are these all sold out? I th I'm sure I have to assume they are. This is
Andrew this article has been published for a week, well, 15 hours, which is a weekend buying time.
Everett That's a big old watch, man. But
Everett you know, Oris is Auris are always b
Andrew ig. That like Our doesn't make
Everett You know, I'm a huge fan of this ten day
Everett this ten day movement they have. But you can see it's a C-through case back, and that C-through case back is dominated by movement. I I this thing's gotta just be this is a big
Everett movement. It's like a it's like a pocket watch
Everett movement. Oh yeah, it has to be. Hand
Everett wound, 10-day power reserve. It's it's co aol movement, man. Yeah, this is neat. I the the those subdials I feel like are sque
Everett ezed into the center of the dial in a way that I'
Everett m not a huge fan of. Yeah, they don't well
Andrew to make room for their month calendar on the outside, they had to compress the subdials in so as not to interfere with the date time, like the the date telling functionality is that
Everett not how this normally is or are they normally further out
Andrew uh i feel like they are because i feel like this this nine o'clock date window doesn't usually cut as far in um and this six o'clock day window is
Everett yeah, you know what? I'm looking at it. I think they're always that far in. They do they pull some tric
Everett ks with the way they set up the sub-dials
Everett , they sort of leave them open on the inside, but
Everett um yeah, it's
Everett it's just the way that movement is
Everett set up where they're always kind of squeezed
Andrew . I guess so. Maybe this one just looks more squeezed because of the burst of color coming out of the center of that subdial.
Everett Yeah, not true.
Andrew This is a really really good red though
Everett . Uh it is a good red. It is a good red. There's a lot of color on this, which is not a bad thing. It's just it's just a lot
Andrew . It is a lot. Uh I'm gonna talk
Everett about our second year of the horse watch. This is not a year of the fire horse watch. This is just a horse.
Andrew Just a just a regular ass horse.
Everett The Tag Hoyer Carrera chronograph year of the horse. Um Um this is a Tag Hoyer Carrera with a single subdial.
Everett They've skewed a running seconds on this, so you get a chronograph seconds and a minutes at uh three o'clock. You have a uh date at
Everett nine o'clock and the
Everett seventh day of the date window is a
Andrew red numeral seven because the ye
Everett ar of the horse is the seventh
Everett character in seventh position in the Chinese
Andrew Zodiac. Otherw
Everett ise, it's just a Carrera chronograph. So
Everett 39mm, 5B link, 5-link beads of rice,
Everett uh pump style pusher. We've got the Tag Horrier 2
Everett 007 movement. Um yeah. Yeah
Andrew . The laser etched uh horse on the case back is cool.
Everett Yeah. This is a different
Everett approach to this colorway. So here we
Everett 've got sort of a champagne di
Everett al and a champagne rehot, gold into season hands, and then red just on the subdial and on the date window. And
Andrew the second hands. Or in the and your your chronograph seconds. Yeah.
Everett Your second hand, yeah. So I I like this. I I think for
Everett me, this more it's slightly more subdued, I think. Slightly more less bold in your face.
Everett But also like
Andrew Similarly so though. Yeah. I I I me
Everett an yes, but
Everett this feels like a more conventional colorway
Everett to me than the aurus. I I really like this watch. This
Andrew could be a not Chinese New Year watch colorway.
Everett Yeah, perhaps. Though it
Andrew it everything about it screams Chinese New Year with the red and that kind of champagne like gold
Everett . From the copy, we do have some fire horse from the marketing copy, anchored in Tag Hoyer's signature 39 millim
Everett eter glass box design that's timepiece bridges east and west, reinter
Everett preting the fiery spirit of the fire horse from the Chinese Zodiac through meticulous detailing and refined craftsmanship
Everett . Uh YMMV.
Everett Yeah. I I think this is cool
Everett . I think it's sexy. It is um
Everett limited to 250 pieces. I and
Everett I don't know if those you know, I think generally anything Chinese sells out relatively quickly. Um Um I don't have a
Everett price on this, which is odd. Which is odd.
Everett Um, but you know what? It's probably between four and thirteen thousand dollars
Andrew . Uh so firehorse years are rare. They only occur every 60 years.
Everett What? Explain
Andrew . I don't know. This is what the AI, the Google AI told me. I don't know why.
Everett Well let's let's m just move that right along into our next fire horse watch. Uh we're we're out of them
Andrew . Uh well no, only kind of. Uh, but not actually at all. Uh Vario has two new festive limited edition Versa models. Oh
Everett , yeah. Um, with one of
Andrew them being so d can you believe Vario's 10 years old this year? Sure. That surprises me. It it still feels like a when I think of Vario, I I imagine a very young brand. Um, that's just not the case. Very young relative to two excuse me, 200-year-old brands, but the maturity that they've obtained, attained in the last couple years is pretty impressive. Um, so we this is a Singapore based brand, uh, and they are doing two Vario Versas, which is the two-sided dual-time complication. And there's four dials and two watches. These are reversos, if you will. Uh, the first being a green with uh Arabic
Everett Eastern Arabic Arabic
Andrew uh numerals, and the second is this like really lovely gold flaked red with um the hang on I I want to make sure see if I can say it even um red enamel dial, gold flex, golden calligraphy symbol in the style of Wang Shi Ji from the Jin Dynasty, the representing the un lunar year for the horse of 2026. And then opposite is a neat and clean black with white. And opposite the green is a white with black and traditional Western Arabic numerals. This is in and wait, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. 654 bucks
Everett . Yeah. They're using a quartz movement. We
Andrew only have 20 meters of water resistance. The size on these is really good. We have a 39 millimeter lug to lug, 26 millimeters wide and 12 thick for a dual-time two-faced watch. That's n that's thin. Each of these with two
Everett Ronda 1062s, which in terms of quartz movements is up there
Everett , right? This is a repairable six-year power reserve. It's a good mov
Andrew ement. Excuse me, fifty meters of water resistance. Uh yeah, these this is
Everett this is cool. Unfortunately, they'
Andrew re only making a hundred of each of them. Uh for 625 bucks, you're not gonna find kind of this level of
Everett cool in
Andrew in that price range. Uh comes on either a strap or a straight link uh metal bracelet. This is cool. And coming from a a relatively small brand this is it has my
Everett attention yeah
Everett I think these are kind of neat I I mean we
Everett don't have we have sort of a
Everett tank slash reverso thing
Andrew here, but I I I like they've
Everett sort of done their own thing. We've got you
Everett know this double quartz movement where no matter how it's oriented, the the crowns at 12
Everett . It's pretty cool. I I I think this is great. The red's got an alternate
Everett silver dial and the green's got a alternate black di
Andrew al. I like the red
Everett . That gold flecked enamel is
Everett really cool. The fire horse
Everett . Yeah. Do we have a
Andrew um a fourth? Do we have a Raymond Weill that we can talk about
Everett ? I don't think so.
Andrew Dang. Only three fire themed watches this week, y'all. And I I apologize. Um I'm sorry
Everett . I am gonna talk about a watch.
Everett You didn't put this on your list, did you?
Everett I am going to talk about a watch from a brand that we have not talked about in
Everett a very long time. Uh, however, this brand was huge in the early days of 40 and 20, which is to say, we had a lot of, you
Andrew know honorable
Everett mention and appearances on you know top three you know three watches for X amount of dollars lists Bernhard
Andrew t watch company.
Everett You know, Bernhardt, I think was really for me kind of a player in my sort of introduction to microbrand watches. You know, they've just been aro
Andrew und for forever,
Everett over 20 years at this point. Um
Andrew , and always just seem to, you know, like uh
Everett be right on the cutting edge of
Everett quality to price
Everett , you know, really well positioned on that price to quality uh
Everett cusp, right? You kind
Everett of knew what you were gonna get and it was gonna be good and it was gonna be quality.
Everett Well, if you had asked
Everett me a week ago what happened to Bernhardt, I was
Everett like, I think they kind of fizzled out. Not so. Bern
Everett hardt has been making and selling watches, turns out, and
Everett their most recent r
Everett elease is a version two of the Binnacle Diver
Everett . And they from what I can tell hit it out of the park with this. That's not what we're talking about today. Well, it is what we're talking about today. But rather we're talking about a special release of the Binnacle Diver, which they're calling the Cypher Diver.
Andrew Why do they call it that, Everett?
Everett Uh it's it's a mystery
Andrew . So
Everett this watch has been made in collaboration with Monticello, uh
Everett the group that runs Thomas Jeff
Andrew erson's response Thomas Jefferson's residence
Everett in Virginia.
Everett Um A. If you haven't been to Monticello, you should really go. It's very, very cool. Um
Andrew I uh I was being facetious. I didn't realize it was actually made in collaboration with the Thomas Jefferson's
Everett . It actually is, yeah. Which is a cool collaboration. Um
Everett and and what this is is a w watch that is inspired by Thomas Jefferson and and is a nod to sort of his inventive streak with using code. So this watch has a pretty
Everett cool trick up its sleeve. So if you look at it, it lo
Everett oks like a dive bezel without any numerals. However, if you put a black light on it, it's got uh an
Everett alphabet cipher
Everett that as you turn the
Everett triangle to a certain time, the letters correspond with certain numb
Everett ers. And so the cipher requires a
Everett key, which is a time, you know, 1250 or whatever it is, you know. Uh
Everett And then the the numb
Everett ers or the letters correspond to numb
Everett ers within that key.
Everett I don't think anybody's intending this to be like a top-of-the-line cipher device. Rather, it's just cool. So, uh, what's the new binnacle diver? The new binnacle Diver
Everett is a 300 and I don't know when hang on
Andrew can can we can we back up a little bit? So this cipher code is like a fun or the cipher graph is a fun game that they're gonna play with you up to the 250th anniversary of the United States independence this summer, in that each week they're going to be releasing a different coded message for you to decode Yes
Everett . So we can continue to the binnacle
Andrew diver. That's the maybe most fun part about this. fun and and it it total it does not in any way take away from a a very like an attractive well-designed dive watch but for the fact that you get to play for the next six months this little game with your watch
Everett . Yes. Good, good call. This watch is being released in celebration of the 250th birthday of the United States, perhaps the last birt
Everett hday of the United States. Um as we enter almost certainly into World War III caused by us. Um
Andrew it they're only champs, man. They're only
Everett making hundred pieces of it. I do believe they're still ava
Everett ilable. You have to go to the Bernhard web
Everett site to buy them. Um, but let's talk a little bit about the watch because
Everett it's good. Miy
Everett oda 9039,
Everett 11 millimeters, 41 millim
Everett eters wide, you
Everett know uh
Everett come on. How how many how man
Andrew y metras? Three hundred three hund
Everett red meters of water resistance.
Andrew It's good. You know, you know, I think eight hund
Everett red bucks. Yeah
Andrew . I think maybe that's where Bernhard went is everything about them is so familiar, right? They're they're in that sub thousand dollar range. They're not doing anything particularly impressive. It's they're just kind of like vanilla without the bean
Everett . Sure. Um
Andrew I would as as objectively good as this watch is in every category, somebody were like, Hey, I have eight hundred to a thousand dollars to spend on a dive watch, this is not where I take them right away. Well maybe this one with the cipher key
Everett . Yeah, I mean look, I uh
Everett if if you ask me to be perfectly
Everett honest, I don'
Andrew t love this watch. I don't love the
Everett endlink. I don't love the 2015 sub homage. Uh, I don't love any of the fonts. And in
Everett fact, I will go so far as to say
Everett this is a collection of some of the worst font
Everett s I've ever seen on a watch. With that
Everett said, I love that they're just doing their thing, man. I love that Bernhard is like this is a watch that looks good to us. This is a watch we know is gonna sell. We buy our watches at quantity so that we can sell
Everett them at a good price. Um
Andrew it I do hate me the N link is what does it for me.
Everett Yeah, the N link is bad. The N
Everett link is bad. It it's a male N link.
Everett It this this feels very tw
Everett enty seventeen, twenty eighteen
Everett . Like what's that cartoon
Andrew character that like hangs his nose over the fence and it's like so and so is here?
Everett Oh Dilroy. No, i this is the the World War II Kilroy
Andrew . Kilroy. Kilroy was here. That's what that endlink reminds me of. Just hanging over like offensively long
Everett . Yeah, that was uh that was a uh World War II graff
Everett iti of American GIs. K
Everett ilroy was. True story. I believe you
Andrew . I also have an idea of where it came from. What's next? Okay, next up. This cypher watch is really cool and the the game that Bernhardt wants to play with you for the next six months might in and of itself make this watch totally appealing on a nylon strap. Hmm. Oh, I want to talk about a watch that I'm sure we've never talked about this brand before. But I saw it and I just Which
Everett means to me that there's a 30
Everett % chance we've talked about this brand before
Andrew . Island Puck.
Everett Okay, no, we haven't. Is a lugless
Andrew everyday watch with a smoother sweep. Um so this is from a uh a hang on, I gotta find it. This is a New York based brand
Everett . It's a lot of dead air there. There was a lot of dead air there
Andrew , and you're gonna have to take a note because there's a couple brands that I that that I have not ever talked about that we have not ever talked about tonight. Uh, and two of them are not from New York. So this is a New York-based brand who's doing some really cool stuff with Mecha Quartz movements in these really attractive and affordable watch. So this is Island by Himmel. The model is the puck. It's a 40mm case, 11mm thick, 100 meters of water resistance, sapphire crystal, 20mm lug width, uh using a Seiko VH31 and With several dial options. So there's a radio room dial option, there is an all-black dial option, and there is what are they calling this one? Um there's a blue and red kind of combination. And this is just like in the way of design inspirations, this is like crashing Russian, not Russian, Soviet watch design aesthetic into the modern era in a way that's really attractive. It's the dimensions on it are great. Uh, they're using an interesting movement in the BH31, and they're 200 bucks. Like 100 meters of water resistance, just a pure banger grab-and-go quartz that's a little funky, has this interesting Soviet feel. And I don't know why, besides the radio room, I get a Soviet design feel out of this. It but that that''ss kind of the the string that it's tickling on you're not
Everett you're not wrong I I feel that too
Andrew just very austere block colorways and it's just good
Everett . So we've got the Avenger in black, the
Andrew radio room is the white with the orange and
Everett red uh radio printing, and then the Snellway is the blue and the red, which has sort of a gulf uh motif bit of a motorsports with the checkers on the on the bezel. Maybe
Andrew it's the star. Kinda it kind of reminds me of like an aviation watch when you're looking at uh the your um horizon instrument and then a big black star. Maybe that's it. Maybe that's and then the radio room feel, cursive uh kind of scripty fonts on this. Yeah. Yeah. I like these
Everett . 200 bucks. This is a a really interesting. This
Andrew is a really interesting set of releases. And
Everett I think these are I think these are pretty cool. The the
Everett case back on these is kinda wild. It's like a
Everett a gold PVD that's been engraved and it it looks really neat. Um
Andrew It does take away from the Soviet feel, though.. Yeah, yeah But also kind of adds to maybe that's like I don't I would love to talk to the person doing these designs and be like, what's uh what's up
Everett ? Yeah. Th these are these are really attractive. Definitely industrial design. These have sort of a retro vibe. The puck design, the recessed lug des
Everett ign is something
Everett that doesn't get a ton of play and certainly
Everett that I don't usually love. I like it here
Everett . These are cool, man. If they were another hundred bucks, I would have a trouble with them but
Andrew but at 200 bucks you just there's exactly nothing to gripe about
Everett . Yeah. I'm with you. I take a flyer on these if yeah
Andrew . I and I I love radio room dials. I think they're super like one of the the silliest, most practical complications that aren't a complication. You know
Everett , and each of these has a different handset too. So we've got sort of a syringe hand on the radio room. I guess it's the syringe hands on the on the Avenger as well, but the um sort of big like saber hands on the on the snowway. So And
Andrew for two hundred bucks you can get a couple of 'em.
Everett Just get 'em all. Good set. Yeah. I
Andrew wonder if they give you a discount. Uh
Everett yeah, you could call and ask. I
Andrew probably won't call. You
Everett could just say, Hey, I wanna review this, give them to me all for free. They'd probably do it. Um
Andrew I'm not gonna write a review though.
Everett Well the the you'll already have the you have an audio
Andrew review. I think we're we're reviewing it actively.
Everett So a few months ago, we talked about
Everett Hamilton's release of the khaki fi
Everett eld mechanical thirty-eight
Everett in this red brick
Andrew dial, uh being
Everett sold specifically out of their Lancas
Everett ter store. And I was like, oh, that's kind of cool. You know, blah, blah. Well, it turns out they've got four of these. They've got four of these. Each of these are being sold at different
Everett Hamilton boutiques
Everett across the world. We've got a Zermat
Everett edition, which has this i
Everett cy blue glacier dial. It's probably my favorite of the bunch
Andrew . It's yeah
Everett . We've got the Tokyo Exclusive Edition, which uh
Everett is based on
Everett cat street which is one of the city's most recognizable shopping areas i know nothing about it it's got a concrete dial with cat prints in it
Andrew ? Is I wonder if that's because there's a bunch of stray cats there. I don
Everett 't know. Or if there's no stray cats
Andrew there. And all you see left behind is footprints.
Everett The case back of this, we've got so the case back in this remote, we've got the matter horn. The case back of this, we've got what they're calling a hipster cat. It just feels it feels like they let their teams take control of these because they're all so different. The Hong Kong exc
Everett lusive edition is also pretty
Everett cool, but I don't know. It's also weird. Um, but
Everett it is meant to strike and refle
Everett ct the balance between urban
Everett life and dramatic natur
Andrew al scenery. I don't see that at all
Everett . So we've got on the dial the outline of Lion Rock
Everett , which is uh
Everett on the top portion of the dial in sort of an Odie green and then a dark gray underneath
Andrew . Oh, now I see it. I thought that was just a weird shadow
Everett . Yeah, right. And on the case back, we've got Victoria Harbor.
Everett And then of course the Lancaster store exc
Everett lusive. We are paying tribute to Hamilton's birthplace uh in Penns
Everett ylvania with a brick pat
Everett terned dial. Uh very cool case back on that as um the
Everett Steinman Hardware building where the bou
Everett tique opened in 2024
Everett . All four of these are this is just a Hamilton khaki field mechanical guy. So 38 millimeters, nine and a half thick, 50 meters
Everett of water resistance, H50 movements in these new ones. Um, you know, the
Everett the khaki mechanical, I just
Everett think is one of the unsung
Everett heroes and watches, which is not to say it's uns
Everett ung because everybody loves it, but I I
Everett just think the world of this watch, you know, I own one
Everett . For 700 bucks, I
Everett think you're just so hard pressed to find a better
Everett daily driver watch um mechanical so hand winding um i i want to say it
Everett 's super easy to wear
Everett um they do make a bracelet for it and I think
Andrew it's a touch long on the lug to lug for me. It is a touch long.
Everett And the lugs are a touch long too.
Everett The placement of the the
Everett placement so on a regular strap on a leather strap, you get some strap gap here, which I don't
Everett love. I always wear mine when I pass through.
Everett Besides that one objection
Everett , I just think the world of
Everett this watch, I love it. you I iff you've never
Everett seriously considered this watch,
Everett maybe take a flyer. I think this watch solves a lot of problem
Everett s that watch people have.
Everett Um, because it's easy to wear, it's versatile.
Everett Uh it's good to have in
Everett your rotation. You know, if you're that guy that you've got
Everett like a diver and a pilot's watch and you're like, you know, I just I just need something that that's sporty and not too dressy that I can just uh at 600 bucks try a khaki mechanical.
Andrew And this watch is one that you're gonna want to like put through the meat grinder. This watch looks better as it gets banged up. This isn't a high polish field watch. This is a very by design badass tool watch. Ye
Everett ah, I mean it it certainly is. I I baby mine. I I'm I'm pretty kind to mine but um you could definitely wear this har
Andrew d Oh. And
Everett rew's feeling particularly juvenile tonight
Andrew . That's the space I live in. Um, so I know you say you like the uh the blue, the um zermot. Yeah. I think Cat Street is is where I'm at. And conc
Everett rete dial. Yeah, this concrete dial. I could do
Andrew without the cat prints. Yeah. Uh but I like that concrete dial. It's like just the right amount of texture on it. Um really it's the case back for me. It's like
Everett hipster cat. The hipster cat
Andrew wearing a a flatbill with the Hamilton logo on it. Like the bad ne
Everett ws about these is you have to be in Zermot, Tokyo, H
Everett ong Kong, or Lancaster to get one. Until
Andrew other people get one and then you can buy them online
Everett . That is true. But by and large,
Everett if you're gonna get one of these, you can't get them online, you gotta go to one of the boutiques. So that's the only it's the
Everett only downside to these. But
Andrew you know what? Like they're rewarding you for living in these crazy places
Everett . Besides Lancaster, perhap
Andrew s. I mean, I don't know. It's not a place I would want to live. Uh yeah, I I don't know. I
Everett I I used to I used to
Everett you know these sort of od
Everett d limited editions. I I
Everett think there's a lot of people who want us, oh stupid. I I actually think
Everett it's kind of cool. Like, hey, we're just making this ava
Everett ilable for people in this place or people
Everett who are I'm okay with that, I think
Everett . I I I I I don't mind when a company says this isn't for the whole world
Everett . This is for this world. For
Andrew our diehards, for the people who are either living here already and are coming to our boutiques or are traveling to come to our boutique. Yeah. I don't know who's traveling to go to a Hamilton boutique. Uh exactly zero
Everett people. Ig Exactly z
Andrew ero people. Unless it's
Everett like down the road. But there were
Andrew people who traveled to a wind up just to get a shot at the Fears Studio Underdog show lab. Like so there's people there's people what's
Everett sir um okay another brand
Andrew that I know we've not spoken of I don't know why I chose this good luck. Anti Roko, son of Tony, the watchman of the underworld. And I'm gonna start with a big, big, big disclaimer. I think I don't like this watch
Everett . It's because it's terrible. But
Andrew I love this watch. If you swapped out the dial and put this on like a similarly finished brac
Everett elet. I think I'm down
Andrew . So this is a watch from a finished designer. It's 41.9 wide, 10.15 thick, hardened IP black coated stainless steel. Um a bizarro moon movement. So it's a a modified soaprod A10 with moon phases as the dial rotates, these are 15,
Everett 000 bucks. So there's a two-moon version, it's 15,000
Andrew euros. There's a one-moon version, it's 12,700. The whole idea of the this watch, story is is interesting, and I'm I'm gonna spare you all the details. What this basically is, is a watch designed after Finnish mythology, but it's this lovely, handmade, really cool angles and design language watch with really irregular lugs. It's almost like the lugs were rotated like 90 degrees, right? They they look like they should be out, but they're these very, very short lugs that are long along the the axis of the case. The metal finishing on this is really cool. The story is interesting enough that it drew my attention and I read the thing. Uh, the moon phase is actually completed by a rotation of the dial itself every 29 and a half days, which is a uh a really unique uh complication to to add to a watch. Yeah. Um I like I said, I think I don't like this watch. This watch is not for me, but I also think I love it. I love seeing this kind of storytelling and art put into a watch. Like maybe not art, yeah, art, craftsmanship, put into a watch. Uh, and this is for somebody. The just the level of craftsmanship across this entire creation is absolutely phenomenal. For I don't know why I watch. I feel like there's about a million other things that that they could be doing that would maybe maybe hit a little harder. Um but it's wild and bizarre and I love that it exists and I would love to see one in person because it's really exceptional craftsmanship. It's weird as fuck though. God hate it so much. I
Everett I'm trying to think of what this like makes me makes me feel like something
Everett . Oh boy. Makes you
Andrew think you're looking at the Lord of the Underworld. Yeah. That
Everett 's that was something different, but we'll go with
Everett that for now. There's only
Andrew 20 of each, and it does require a 40% deposit. Oof.
Everett So okay.
Andrew This isn't for you. It's not for me either. I need to shake it
Everett off a little bit. It's just it's phen
Andrew omenal craftsmanship.
Everett Um okay, I'm gonna talk about a watch
Everett that sold out that we missed when it came out uh because I think it's really cool
Andrew . Uh so if if you pay
Everett attention to vehicles, in
Andrew particular sort of Americana
Everett vehicles, you may know that Sco
Everett ut Motors is com
Everett ing back with um
Everett what they're calling the Terra Truck and Traveler S
Everett UV. Now these both feel very much like uh the re-release of the
Everett Ford Bronco.
Everett Um
Andrew they're released they're gonna be released in
Everett 2027 but Vero has done a collaboration with Scout Mot
Andrew ors in their workhorse. So what these
Everett are are steel watches that are Sarah Coded Um with a quartz chronograph movement. They're big old
Everett watches. If you don't know what the workhorse is, just
Everett go look. These have a scout logo at 12 o'clock
Everett and they come in a
Everett terracotta and moonst
Everett one blue, which is sort of this indigo is or
Andrew ange and blue. Yeah. Yes. Ter
Everett racotta is orange and the moonstone
Everett blue is this isn't even terracotta
Andrew . This is this is a real orange. Terracotta's got like more more like rust to it. Yeah.
Everett Um it's a hundred and twenty millimeter quartz chronogra
Everett ph. We I I think it's a very cool watch. It's a Mioto
Everett 6S21. I need
Andrew to move 120 meters?
Everett 120 meters of water resistance. Okay, you said 1
Andrew 20 millimeter. And I was like, well, these are big, but that they're not that big.
Everett 120 meters of water resistance.
Everett Yeah, 44, 44 wide on these. Um you know, I I I think these are really cool, and I'm a little sad. They only made 1
Everett 50 of these uh or exc
Everett use me 500 pieces of each and I think they sold out really really quickly I do think these will sho
Everett w up on I do think
Everett these will show up on the second
Everett ary market, and I think it's worth a
Everett look. Now, those colors, terracotta
Everett and moonstone blue, are taken from
Everett the original color codes dating back to
Everett 1965. So I know you take Umbridge to the to the names they've used
Andrew for I do. But
Everett these are colors from Scout's color catalog. So
Everett um yeah, I didn't really see
Everett a whole lot about this in the watch world. This is a men's journal article that we're gonna link to, which
Everett I don't think we've ever done. No
Andrew . Probably won't again. Um
Everett but I just don't I don't think the watch world really to
Everett ok notice of these, which is too bad. I
Everett think these is more of uh I I think they really targeted these at car people, which is fair and they sold out, obviously. Um, but I think these are cool. I would have liked an opportunity to get one of these. Not that I'm gonna get a Scott, but
Andrew yeah, I and I I love Vivero and the workhorse is such a cool platform to do as a collaboration watch because it's so versatile. Um And it's just fun. More more more workers colors is more better
Everett . Yeah. I I like the scout
Everett logo on these too. It it these aren't these aren'
Everett t uh have no Vero branding on the dial.
Andrew Yeah. It's just that scout br
Everett anding on the dial on these. So pr pretty cool. There will be a link. You'll be able to
Everett look at them. You can't buy one because they're
Everett sold out. Sorry
Andrew . Sorry. Yeah. You had your chance and you wasted it.
Everett Because we didn't tell you about it. Well. It's
Everett our fault. I'm not gonna apolog
Andrew ize. I'm not apologizing, I'
Everett m just pointing it out. Um
Andrew Oh, you know, I have one more. Where are we at
Everett ? We are at 44 minut
Everett es. Look at us. We're doing good
Andrew . The classic spirit of the Vutiany 216 TMZ World Time. So another Finnish watch brand. I think this is the first time we've talked about Finland twice in an episode.
Everett Certainly the first time we've done it twice.
Andrew Uh so this is a new world time model displaying the time in 24 zones. Um, and honestly, I really don't care. It is one of the most gorgeous watches I've ever seen. These really thin, like almost disproportionately thin lug width on the watch, the these beautiful teardrop lugs, Guiosh for days, uh lovely fonts, uh a pretty traditional word world timer around the outside of your dial is absolutely stunning. Big open eye, uh, minute, an hour hand, just like a watch that I could just look at and drool. Look at the three, the curl on the bottom of this three o'clock marker. Uh it's concentric circles of blue guillosh, blue guillos, your 24-hour white and black, and then a gray rehot with all of your different time zones throughout the world. 39 millimeter case. Um in-house designed and finished 216 TMZ hand wound movement.
Everett Finished and finish
Andrew . Yeah. It's 183,000 Swiss francs. Ye
Everett ah, this is not a this is not a watch.
Andrew An affordable watch. This is not a watch that I'm gonna even be able allowed to look at without a bulletproof barrier between us.
Everett Yeah. But gosh
Andrew . The oh mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. I just wanted to really it's the lugs. The lugs uh do a thing to me. Look at how the the the lug like kind of shrinks down right before it m meets the case.
Everett Yeah. It's obviously a gorge
Andrew ous watch. Um
Everett this is the type of watch that makes me just like meh
Andrew it not because it's bad but because it'
Everett s just like so
Everett it's just not pure unob
Andrew tainum yeah pure unobtanium um a a watch that is not an obtaining
Everett is a watch
Everett from a company called Perrin
Everett who's just expanded their col
Everett lection to include
Everett uh a retro chronogra
Andrew ph. So
Everett Perrin has we've talked about the Reggie automatic, I think, on this watch, which is a pretty straightforward looking watch. Um
Everett , but I, you know, I just
Everett so watch brand that I never that I don
Andrew 't think about all that often. Well
Everett , they've released this ne
Andrew w one One chrono. They say their
Everett marketing copies say the mission was to create a modern watch with a nod to futuristic design concepts made
Andrew by designers from the past. So
Everett uh you know, the future in
Andrew that like 1960s concept
Everett . The goal was to materialize the interconnection between the past and the future into a perennial product that could be relatable back to in the 70s as well as out there in 207
Everett 7. So that's marketing copy, yada
Everett yada, yada. Uh what we
Everett have here really is this sort of definitely par
Andrew ent design
Everett uh language, this
Andrew really sort of minimalistic two-dial chronograph. Um I think it's
Everett just really, really cool. I'm gonna I'm
Andrew gonna try to
Everett uh I'm gonna try to to describe this a little bit here. So what's that? We've got a th
Andrew ree-piece stainless steel case coming in at 4
Everett 6 40.6 millimeters wide. It's 12 millimet
Everett ers thick, which for chronograph
Everett is a really good thickness. 4
Everett 6 millimeter lug to lug, but there
Everett aren't any lugs. It is the brac
Andrew elet connects directly
Everett um to the case,
Everett uh the the flat part of the case. We've got a flat sapphire crystal
Andrew , an unmarked bezel.
Everett We've got both brushed and bead blasted finishes, and then also hand polished deta
Everett ils on the on the bevels. Uh we've got pushers on the right side that are rectangular, and I'm a sucker for a rectangular chronograph pusher. Um and a screwdown cro
Andrew wn with 200 meters of water resistance. The dial on this is
Everett like, I think they call it anth anthracite, it's sort of a matte
Andrew finish with globulite mar
Everett kers. Um
Andrew yeah. By compact setup, these recess subdials, those titanium Seiko motorcycle watches, the uh uh ooh shoot. You know exactly what I'm talking about. The the dial was off. Was tante
Everett d. I do know what you're talking about
Andrew . It
Everett 's a Gigaro. Yeah, Gigaro.
Andrew That's what this reminds me of. Like 80s futuristic. Me
Everett cha Court's V6 VK64,
Everett limited to 1111 numbered pieces. Um
Andrew the one, I get that. Avail
Everett able at s at
Everett 569 francs. I haven't seen uh a US price
Andrew . Seven six fifty-ish, right
Everett ? Let's see if it these are available for pre-order now. Uh let's see if we can let's see if
Andrew we can come up with a price. Nope. I'm not
Everett I'm not seeing a price. U
Everett h top of the page? Pre-order? Pre-order. There we go. Let's see.
Andrew Done. Yep. 5
Everett 69 Slice francs. So whatever that is.
Andrew Hopefully the exchange rate's good. And
Everett yeah, tariffs, I don't know. Uh, but I think it's a really cool watch. I do wish with
Everett a VK sixty four they could' slsummed it down a little bit
Everett . And I will say
Everett that one link bracelet st
Andrew ill not really my thing. I think the execution of it though in in this application is great. Yeah. S
Everett ame. I I it wouldn't look good with a
Andrew three link. It wouldn't look good with any other style of bracelet
Everett . I like the combination of brushing, blast
Everett ing, and polish. The roundness
Andrew of the off the end of the case can to kind of like transform into the bracelet almost like it's a like it's an end link is really well done
Everett . You got any more watches? Bubba
Andrew ? Yeah, I can close the link, so I don't care
Everett . Okay. Well, Seiko released some 145th anniversary watches. They're pretty cool. They've got some really cool dials.
Andrew And then some of them suck. U
Everett h yeah. I mean I I nothing nothing that I thought was terrific, but we do have a King Seiko with a absolutely stunning dial as well as a speed tummer with a stunning dial.
Andrew Yeah. Um, and then
Everett yeah, well, I uh this one more watch
Everett I want to talk about. The the Corona
Andrew Tokyo. No, I want to talk
Everett about the Bulman Decompression O2
Everett . So this is a dive watch, but it's a dive
Everett watch unlike any other dive watch I've ever seen, which
Everett is to say this is a A
Everett modern technologically science backed
Everett decompression watch
Everett meant to be worn in conjunction with a dive computer, as opposed to being sort of a superfluous, anachronistic all-in-one.
Everett So rather than
Everett rather than uh you know,
Everett taking the technology from the
Everett sixties and just doing it a little
Everett bit differently, what they've done
Everett is they've taken the
Everett best science regarding safety and decompress
Everett ion and incorporated it into the functions of the watch. Uh, the foundations of the watch
Everett are from the work of a S
Everett wiss physician and researcher
Everett , Dr. Albert Buhl
Everett mann,
Everett whose decompression alg
Everett orithm is sort of the the standard we use
Everett for decompression charts, uh devel
Everett oped in between like
Everett in the 60s, 70s and 80s at in Z
Andrew urich um
Everett basically boom and changed the way divers think about decompress
Everett ion and uh se
Everett a level doll diving, altitude div
Everett ing. Um
Everett and this watch incorporates
Everett I I don't know enough about diving to talk about this really intelligently. So if this interests you, I I would I would tell you
Everett to go look at this
Everett watch and to read about it, especially if you know about diving, because I just don't know enough to talk about intelligently.
Everett But what I can say is this wat
Everett ch incorporates this twin bezel. It's a patented
Everett counter-rotating bezel
Everett system that have independent blocking. One of the bez
Everett els tracks your total dive time and the other tracks your stop times. So when
Everett you when you start your dive, you
Everett set it for your depth and your time at
Everett depth and that gives you what your decompression times are. But in addition, even after you come up
Everett , it gives you a
Everett fly no fly indicator
Everett to gauge
Everett when it's safe to fly after
Everett diving? Um
Everett I think that this
Everett watch is probably a lot of pomp, but the fact that they'
Everett re going so deep into the science and the research to give you a tool, I think is really cool. I don't know that
Everett I don't know that there's people that are gonna really use
Everett this for what it is. I think as
Andrew a redundancy though, that's a really it's an interesting consideration to say, hey, you have this thing that is objectively better and then here's your fail-safe. That's right. And I just like the
Everett fact that they're like, this is what's actually important. Like we have these dive watches when we'll put the
Everett decompression chart on the strap and you know
Andrew God speed to you. This is
Everett like, no, this is what you actually need for
Everett diving. This is the tool you
Everett actually need for diving if you if you want
Everett to have a watch that's going to help you with these things.
Everett I don't know if you actually need that. In fact, I suspect you probably don't.
Everett Um Salita SW300
Everett in this in this watch, which is to
Everett say, um it's
Everett got a good movement. They're making 579 pieces. These are selling for 3,990 Swiss francs thro
Everett ugh watch angels. Uh I wasn't able to quickly
Everett find a reference for uh the dimensions on this, but what I have been able
Everett to figure out is that it's big
Andrew . It's uh forty-eight and a half millimeter case. Uh interesting, the dial has a five degree inclination on it to aim the dial towards you and and kind of reflect reflect light back towards you.
Everett That is interesting. To increase legibility.
Andrew And also uh a portion of each watch sold goes to Dan Europe Medical Research Fund, uh, which is uh doing dive uh decompression science to develop algorithms for individual divers because every body is different
Everett . It's a w it's a wild watch. It's
Andrew a big old bitch too. Ye
Everett ah. It I I just think it's cool
Everett . It's cool. I think it's cooler than
Everett any sort of technical dive watch we've seen on this show. I in a way. It's different, obviously. Maybe not cooler, but it's got somet
Everett hing that I've never seen in another watch we've talked about
Everett . So I don't understand how it works either. Yeah, it's like I said, I don't know enough about diving to have to know all of these things. Yeah, but
Andrew I don't understand why why the depth thing sudden
Everett ly vanishes and then a fly no flag sho
Andrew ws up. Well because I think
Everett that once you come up, you're done with your dive
Everett , n now they're you need to figure out is it safe to fly. Uh
Everett is that practical? I don't think so, but it's also cool
Andrew . Sorry, hold the
Everett plane. Watch says I'm not re
Andrew ady.
Everett Okay. What's next? I'm out of things.
Everett Andrew, other things. Go. Uh, I
Everett bought a new thing. Uh I I bought a work sharp precis
Andrew ion adjust tribrasive knife sharpener. 70 bucks. Um, I've seen a lot of videos of these and I've been like a whetst
Everett one sharpener guy as long as I've had knives. Uh
Andrew and I've I've had different um like angle blocks that you can press and get your your precise angle along your whetstone. And honestly I I've just like I don't get the Zen experience
Everett of whet
Andrew stoning knives that I once did and I don't super dig electric sharpeners. Um, I wanted something that I could just kind of mindlessly throw my kni
Everett fe on and sharpen, right? I've looked at the kind of
Andrew like the what's the the tumbler, the little round thing that you roll with a wed
Everett ge. I know what you're talking about
Andrew . Ultimately, I I w
Everett ent with this. And this is they
Andrew have a whole line. And I and
Everett I'm frankly I have had su
Andrew ch success with this on the two knives that I put to it. I wish I would have just copped and spent the 300 bucks for the the big one. Um, because eventually I'm gonna do that. But this serves the purpose. So this is a little tabletop. It's the size of gosh, it's less than the size of a shoebox, all packaged up. It comes with
Everett a uh metal clamp
Andrew and a free swinging arm that is very easily adjustable with a screw up and down to set your prec
Everett ise angle from um
Andrew 15 to 30 degrees with each rotation being a single degree. So you can have a precise controlled angle every time. The technology
Everett is interesting. So the once you set your
Andrew angle and you have your blade in your clamp, it's this free swinging arm with three rotating uh hardnesses. It's a 320, 320, a 600, and a ceramic that rotate and lock into place. And then as long as you're swinging that arm along the blade, you're holding your precise whatever angle you set it at. And as long as you can count
Everett , you can sw
Andrew ing the arm out, rotate the knife, and then count the same amount of strokes on the other direction. And this thing is damn idiot-proof. It like like I said, I don't get the zen experience of whetstoning a blade. I just wanted to sit down, sharpen it, and move on. And this is doing that. You know, the the problem with having whetston my knives is I don't know the angle I was working at. I just kind of worked it by feel. Uh so now the the two knives that I've put to it, I had to put a little bit of work to like re-re-get to a measured edge and they come
Everett out good and sharp
Andrew you know having uh a real rough uh uh um pretty fine
Everett and then a ceramic um Um
Andrew immediately with the first blade I put on there took a little bit of time to set the edge, and then once it's set, God, it was easy. 60 or I
Everett I paid I think 60 buc
Andrew ks for this on Amazon. Yeah, I think the W
Everett ork Sharp, a lot of people And it's an
Andrew organ-based company. I think a lot of people come in
Everett with the Work Sharp. The price is
Everett so hard to ignore. When I did this process, I went with
Everett the KME, which
Everett is a little bit fancier
Everett , probably slightly better products, but I think the worksharf does
Everett the same exact thing. And you know, I think I
Everett probably paid four times, you know, I think I was like 300 bucks all in for probably a pr
Everett etty comparable system. So, you know
Everett , I think it depending on how much knife sharpening you do. Um, yeah. Uh
Everett it it's a it's a it's a really intriguing
Andrew I like it. And it sits it
Everett 'll just box it back up, throw it under the counter, and
Andrew uh you know, you don't have to sharpen your knives all that often. Um as long as you're hitting them with steel and taking care of 'em. Yeah. Yeah, the KME is pretty similar
Everett . It's a
Everett really similar setup. It is um
Everett uh you know, i it's it's
Everett the same thing, right? You've got an adjusta
Everett ble sort of clamp
Everett and and a sliding set of
Everett sliding set of cutting tools that are at an angle, it'
Everett s it's the same thing
Andrew . Yeah. So I I I have had good experience with it. If you're tired of whetstoning or or maybe perhaps you're somebody who's never sharpened your knives, or worse yet, you you send your knives to somebody else to sharpen them, you can do it yourself
Everett . I've got another thing. Do me. I I
Everett I was sort of surprised when
Everett this thing came out, but I was on Amazon one
Everett night, or maybe Netflix, one of the two
Everett , and oh no, it was HBO Max.
Everett You were watching Netflix scrolling Amazon
Andrew . I was on HBO Max and I
Everett saw oh it was a movie with Leonardo DiCaprio that I've never heard of. Oh, it's a Paul Thomas Anderson movie that I've never heard of. So turns out
Everett there's a new Paul Thomas Anderson movie. If you're at home and you'
Everett re like, duh, Everett, well, I'm sorry. I feel like I'm pretty well connected and I just never heard of this thing. One b
Everett attle after another. This is a
Everett 2025 movie
Everett . Uh the the description of this movie is Bob is a washed-up
Everett revolutionary who lives in a state
Everett of stoned paranoia, surviv
Everett ing off-grid with his spirit anded self-reli
Everett ant daughter, Willa. W
Everett hen his evil nemesis resurfaces and W
Everett illa goes missing, the former radical scrambles to f
Everett ind her as both father and daughter battle the consequences of their past. U
Everett h this movie was
Andrew that this had like all kinds of weird backlash and what what weird backlash? I don't I mean I haven't watched it. I I just remember reading all kinds of articles about the the there was there was backlash around the political themes in the in the movie
Everett . Well, I'll just tell you uh this movie was unrealistic.
Everett Is unrealistic in that it depicts liberals doing something
Everett to take the country back from the psychotic conservatives, which is
Everett just never gonna happen because liber
Everett als are feckless and never gonna do anything to save our c our country. But besides that, I thought it was terrific. Um these guys are
Everett uh this is sort of a movie set in
Everett the present day but that
Everett reaches back into the nineties
Everett in a way that just felt like really satis
Everett fying for me. And Leonardo DiCap
Everett rio, I think a versat
Everett ile actor, but often
Everett times gets stuck into these like s
Everett ort of stoic or spirited roles. He plays a total fucking nincompoop in this in the best way. And and he really nails it. Um,
Andrew I just and and and the build is great and the end is gre
Everett at and it's satisfying, and it's Paul Thomas Anderson, so you get this
Everett like sort of gr
Everett ind with a satisfying
Everett and maybe even saccharin. End.
Everett Uh I was like,
Everett I just watched this thing sort of in awe the whole time. A because I hadn't heard of it, uh, which sounds like maybe I'm the only one, but
Andrew you might be the only one. Uh and then
Everett and then B, because it was just so well done. Um, it
Everett was like a little bit scary
Everett , but also like also not
Everett at all and and pretty whimsical and like fun. Um
Everett gosh, I thought the word I I I think
Everett that the reason this movie uh
Everett w that I enjoyed part of the reason I
Everett enjoyed it so much is because it sort of came out of nowhere and I was just like
Everett to To you. To me. Yes.
Everett Yes. Um I can't be the only one. There I I think that that there must be other people in my position here
Andrew . I have like a memory of it being kind of a box office flop
Everett . It it must be, right? Yeah
Andrew . So a hundred and top end estimate, hundred and seventy five million dollar budget and a two hundred and five million dollar box office.
Everett Yes, that's that's not a big margin there
Andrew . Um
Everett geez, I just loved it so
Everett much. Uh and then after I watched it, I was like, Betty, my 14-year-old daughter, let's watch There Will Be Blood. And uh she was like
Everett , Dad hated it. Uh but that's that
Andrew movie. I I feel
Everett like you gotta be in a
Andrew really specific headspace to enjoy because it's a very uh what's the word I'm looking for? It's kind of a heady mov
Everett ie. Like you you kind of have to see thro
Andrew ugh what's being shown to you and told to
Everett you. You gotta be fully engaged
Andrew to that movie and in a really specific mo
Everett od to to sit down
Andrew and and watch it. But Daniel A Lewis in that movie is like there's
Everett it I just don't know if there's ever been a better
Andrew performance. Yeah, I mean it is for me
Everett perhaps the best acting performance of any movie ever. I just find him captivating all the way through
Everett . And Betty hated it
Everett . She's fourteen, mind you.
Everett Uh, but she she
Andrew 's really pretty preco
Everett cious and she
Andrew understands that this movie is
Everett like very, very widely app
Andrew reciated. And so it makes
Everett her mad that she didn't like it. And so she's like
Everett researching to try to understand what
Everett 's good about it. And I
Andrew 'm like, God, I relate to you
Everett so much, right now as
Everett I watch her sort of grind through this
Everett process, like the
Everett the feeling of
Everett the feeling of frustration that she's not understanding this thing that so
Everett many people seem to understand and like really
Everett sort of grinding to peck through it. I was kind of impressed with her, but she m
Andrew frankly just might not be life experienced enough. Yeah, well, and you know, the other thing I told her is it's not
Everett , you know, the the plot. She was like, there
Andrew 's no plot, Dad. The the pl
Everett ot, and I say, Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think
Everett that's maybe the point, right? It's
Everett it it's a study of the person and the descent into madness that exists. The plot is is subtext to the
Andrew character development
Everett of Daniel Plainview. And she just like, wow, that makes me mad. Like, I want a plot. So many
Andrew , so many. I mean, that's and that's storytelling, right? In movies. So many movies are like you get the the The quintessenti
Everett al hero
Andrew 's tale. And then you get these occasional movies that the tale is the hero, where there isn't a plot, there's not a ton of dialogue. You're just brought along for the ride that this person is on. And it maybe doesn't mean anything. It like it it feels so real because there's nothing driving the story but for the experience.
Everett Sort of a classic, a classic
Everett fable. Um anyway
Everett , one battle after another. If you haven't seen it, I rec
Everett ommend it. I just loved it. I I
Andrew really, really enjoyed it. I thought
Everett for me it's one of my favorite Leonard
Everett o DiCaprio performances
Everett , which is saying a lot because he'
Everett s like one of my favorite ac
Everett tors. Um he's one of every
Andrew one's favorite actors. Yeah, I think he's I
Everett think he's a bit marmite, actu
Andrew ally. I think if you are if you feel like he's marmite, you're being just contrarian. Yeah, I well, I I'm uh he's one of my favorites, but
Everett I think that he's love it or hate. I think some people are
Everett just
Andrew I don't know how you can see his performance in the Revenant or the De
Everett parted or the Departed or
Andrew Django and And or or
Everett even Titanic. Listen, you'
Everett re just you're preaching to the choir. Like the he'
Andrew s just he's a he's a creep like as a
Everett person, but you know what? I don't care. He
Andrew 's an artist. Artists are weird
Everett . Yeah, I'm not gonna defend him. I do think he's a great actor
Andrew . Phenomenal actor. Uh and this th that movie
Everett is on my on my list of things to get
Andrew to. Um Andrew, what el
Everett se do you want to say before? He was stupid in the Martian
Andrew too
Everett . Bad day man
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