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Tudor Gets the Ranger Right (369)

Published on Mon, 24 Nov 2025 22:29:14 -0800

Synopsis

In this episode of Forty and Twenty, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch releases and share their Thanksgiving preparations. The conversation begins with both hosts feeling slightly discombobulated during the short holiday week, with Everett juggling parent-teacher conferences and Andrew discovering his kids are out of school all week.

The watch discussion covers several notable releases, including the Karas Mecha 01 desk movements, Tudor's new 36mm Ranger in a striking "Dune White" colorway (which Andrew declares his favorite watch of the year), and Nizumi's updated Balin dive watch. They explore Aviate's surprising new field watch collaboration with Worn & Wound, Brew's collaboration with Teddy Baldassare, and RZE's limited edition UTD 8000 in Cerakote green. The hosts are particularly impressed with Omega's fourth-generation Planet Ocean, praising its design evolution and improved dimensions, as well as Oris's updated Pro Pilot Date collection.

For "other things," Andrew enthusiastically recommends Dawn PowerWash, comparing its cleaning power to paint thinner, while Everett discusses Alton Brown's updated turkey preparation method and his influence on American Thanksgiving cooking over the past 24 years. Both hosts wish listeners a happy Thanksgiving as they wrap up the episode.

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Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to Forty and Twenty, the WatchClicker Podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? Just really crushing it. Cr just doing as well in life as a guy can do. Wow. That was like that was so positive. It almost felt sarcastic because it also just was really flat coming across. Yeah, no, I'm fine. I mean what I I don't know. It's uh you know the holiday week uh you know, going into Thanksgiving and so everything's just like kind of fucked. Everything's fucked. Very yeah. Like schedules and um we had um parent teacher conferences. I've got three middle school age kids, which is really like it's sort of when parent-teacher conferences are like important because we kind of are disconnected and this the school is important but we're a little bit disconnected from their day-to-day and so anyway it's just like all day parent teacher conference which was a little like so I wasn't working already a short week. Anyway, that's how I am. I just feel a little discombobulated maybe. Hmm. I am feeling that It's not a bad way. I don't mind the parent teacher. It's actually nice. Like the whole thing is good. Like it's nothing bad. I just feel like I'm just a little out of sort, out of rhythm, I think. Yeah. Well, and and the the whole like putting kids out of school the whole week of Thanksgiving is trash. Kids basically don't go to public school in November and December. Yeah, I mean there's still school, but yeah, no, I hear what you're saying. There's a lot more there's a lot of time off. I actually don't mind it. I s yeah, it's I think it's fine, especially at these ages. I think they they probably go to school more than they need to. I want my kids in school. Well, I know there's the daycare there's the daycare aspect of it. It's it's pretty hard on lower income families, I think, when they're out of school as as much they are, but like for us it doesn't make a huge like we can accommodate it and so that that's fine. But yeah. I took this week off to to be on vacation. Because you have to, yeah. I didn't realize they weren't gonna be in school all week. Right, yeah. It wasn't until we ripped uh October big calendar off of the fridge and revealed November that I was like, wait, what the fuck? Why don't they go to school? Oh, I know that is frustrating. Yeah. Uh no, like like I said, I I think it it can be it can be a pretty big effect on people. I I wonder sometimes like how do my employees do this? You know, but um you know that's it's just sort of life I guess. You you you sort of figure it out. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Uh how are you, Andrew? I'm good. It was a nice day out, but my kids were home. So you know. Did you did you take them to do something? Uh I put 'em outside for a while. Okay. They they were outside riding bikes for a while. Uh and then uh yeah, I start I'm kinda starting my slow roll of things you can do early prep and cook for for Thanksgiving. Sure. Um I did put my uh I did put my turkey in a brine. Mine hit the brine like four hours before yours did. Oh yeah. I almost sent a picture of it and I was like, this is kind of a gross looking picture. I'm not gonna send that and then later in the day. You just got my gross picture. I got your gross picture and I was like glad I didn't send that. Uh yeah, so mine's mine's packed in a cooler full of ice in the brine and I left a cooler outside this time 'cause of the weather's suff like sufficiently cool that I felt like it'd be fine. Ice is holding, temperature's holding, brine smells good. You can smoke it? Uh I don't think so. I don't think so. I'm gonna talk a little bit later about how I'm gonna cook my turkey. Um Uh W within that there is potentially a smoking option. I don't think I'm gonna do it though. Um yeah. But that's I'm gonna save that. I don't wanna Okay, yeah, don't wanna spoil it. I don't wanna spoil the end of the show because I know that people listen all the way to the end so they can hear our other things. That's true. Um but but in any event, we're not here to talk about our brining birds. We We we are here to talk about watches. We are, and we're gonna talk about watches. I I got sort of like three-fourths of the way through my research, and I was like, there are no good watches. And then the last like 25% of my show prep I was just like banger banger banger so I think there's some cool watches that came out this week you and we might even have to pick and choose some of these aren't gonna make the list. I think my favorite watch of the year is among the things we're gonna talk about. Oh interesting. Interesting. I think I know which one which one it is, but I'm gonna I'm oh wait. Why don't you get us started with with not your favorite watch of the year. Not my favorite watch of the year. Something really interesting and fun is the Karas Mecha 01 and Winding Push. They are these two enormous fully functional desk movements that uh are kind of reminiscent of uh like you go to you go to a wind up and every table's got the Miyota like blown exploded movement in uh resin or uh Miyoda was handing those out like most of the tables had a had a sample movement that was exploded and planted in resin. Or you see like an enlarged movement. But this is you know a desk work or uh a working desk movement, not a desk clock. Uh one is hand whining uh like you wind the crown and it will work. It's a working movement. And then the other is a mechanic or an automatic movement where you manually wind the rotor inside this upright art installment. And I saw that and I was like, man, I really want one of these. And then I figured they'd be in the realm of affordable, right? They they're not exactly not. The um the hand winding is thousand Swiss francs and the mechanicals thirty one hundred Swiss francs. So uh you know cheap. Not not by a long shot. I I think that there are and I have uh I I I should have researched this or perhaps I could even right now, but I'm not going to. I think that there are kits like maybe uh like laser cut wood kits that you can put together. Obviously these are anodized aluminum and they're gorgeous. Um but I think that maybe this is achievable with a little less coolness? Coolness, yeah. No, I want the coolness. Well, okay, fair enough. So get out your checkbook. How much petty cash do you have lying around? Uh enough for you to get one of these. Sounded like a commitment. It's it sure wasn't. Oh, okay. It sure wasn't. Um you know, we have to keep a lot of petty cash around. Cause there are like things that come up where we're like, I need seven thousand dollars. It happens often. Like I would say, you know, once a month, there's some like I need I need a thousand dollars of cash or more. It's crazy. Yeah. I have questions. It's not not us the show, just to be super clear. Yeah, yeah, that's right. This is my law firm and not Yeah, it it's a it's a Yeah. And also there is a safe. You can't get that money if you wanted to just Well there's nothing in the safe. The safe is is the decoy. It's a decoy safe. Uh no, these are cool. They're beautiful too. I actually I think I prefer the handbound version for a couple reasons. One, I don't really that big rotor, it just seems cumbersome and weird and also it just doesn't look as good. Yeah. Yeah. I I think that the uh I think that the hand wound version of these is cooler. Agreed. Is it is the hand on less expensive? Yeah. Yeah. That's it's interesting. You know, obviously you've gotta have a Yeah, I yeah, the hand on is cooler. I don't I don't understand why the the auto is twice or thrice expensive. It must be something about the the is it keyless or no that doesn't have a keyless. It must be something about the automatic. The the I don't know. Yeah, this is fun, Andrew. Mm-hmm. These are fun. And if you are looking for an expensive and very cool gift for someone you love, I think these are like I'm I mean it's a lot of money, right? But if you're looking like if you're like, I wanna buy a thousand dollar or a fifteen hundred dollar something or the other for the watch liper in my life, what watch should I get? I might say I think you skip the watch and and you go for one of these. I mean honestly, if someone got me this as a gift, I would be like, holy shit, that's cool. Yeah, I think I might be more excited about this than a watch at the same price point. Yeah, I mean I I don't know. As a intro, especially as a gift, right? Yeah. Um I'm gonna start with a watch. I'm gonna start with a watch that I think was sort of the headliner for the week. Uh Tudor, our friends at Tudor, uh released a 36 millimeter version of the ranger this week when the two ranger came out a few years back it came out in 39 well they discontinued it and then re-released it in 39 because it was it was at like a 41, I think. And I think when it came out in 39, there was sort of universal uh applause at the size and um how however uh they brought it back in sort of it's like historic they they sort of it it's not a reprobe but it's got a little bit of a historic vibe to it it. It feels older. And I think that there was just like sort of in the background, like a grumble, um, you know, should be 36, you know, blah blah blah. Historical accuracy. And I think it probably took Tudor about two years longer to release a 36 than I would have predicted. Any time in the last couple of years, if you'd have asked me, is Tudor going to release a 36 out of 8. It's this season. It's common. Because they have every other watch in every single size. And so here we go. We get a 36 millimeter ranger and tutor does a uh a thing often which is to say uh that they keep their watches proportional. So this has 19 millimeter lugs. It's got an 11 millimeter thickness. The 11 millimeter thickness is the thing that irritates me. And it's not because I don't want an 11 millimeter thick ranger. I do. It's because it tells me that there's no reason for the 39 millimeter to be 12 millimeters thick. And I it it bothers me that you would make a 12 millimeter watch when you can make an 11 millimeter watch. They've decided the proportions are great, I guess. I think they get this down to 10 or below with 100 meters of water resistance. So these are 100 meter watches. Uh for the 36 we've got an mt5400 for the 39 we still have the mt5402 these are both cost certified canisi movements they are 70 hours they're virtually identical. The the 5400 is slightly smaller, which uh it it's otherwise a uh an identical spec'd, identically spec'd movement. Um, I I am burying the lead just a little bit because in releasing the 36mm Ranger Tudor also released in both sizes a what they're calling Dune White version of the Ranger. Um I I'm fine with Dune. I'm fine with the color. I'm not fine with calling this white. No. I mean, I'm fine with it. I don't really care. But it's certainly not white. Just seems like a misnomer. Yeah. There's a Dune Ranger now, and it looks great. That's my favorite watch release of the year. This will be my next watch. Oh. This Dune color is phenomenal. That's not what I expected. The way the black pops on it is terrific. The Ranger, it was always a watch that was kind of on and off my radar because the size was just not quite right. In the previous iteration, not the newest, the 39 release, but in that 41, I was like, ah, just that's just not for me. When it came out in 39, I was like, sweet, tutor's doing it. We're gonna see some size segmentation. Uh it did not happen until now. And they are doing it in this dune color that's just absolutely fire. I will be getting one of these. Well Andrew, I did not mean to steal your thunder. I thought you were gonna s talk about a different watch when you said that. Um, yeah, no, I I'm I'm maybe a little less excited than you are, but I'm with you. This is a fantastic release. Um the Black Bay 36 is like it's kind of like in the zone for me. This is better. I think the ranger is the best tutor you can buy today. It's for me. You know, I know everybody loves a Black Bay. Um I'm I think this or the Black Bay Pro one of those two is the best tutor you can buy right now. The Black Bay Pro has Pelagos is has to be in that conversation. You know what? That's that's a fair it's kind of an aside, right? Though it's it's a bit of an outlier in their general catalog. Uh yeah, this is a great watch. Because it I don't I'm not a big fan of the Pelagos 39. Uh after it. I w the one time I tried it on, I was just like, ah, this just isn't quite the it doesn't feel right. Yeah, it's a b it's a black bay. It's a titanium black bay. Yeah. Yeah, the the Pelagos is something. Um and the Pelagos FXD I think is sort of that as well. But anyway. This watch so w you're looking at thirty one160 euro on the green fabric strap or 34 ninety on the bracelet for thirty-six and it's just like another hundred. Thirty seven hundred US money on a bracelet. There you go. There you go. So I I mean really affordable. I think secondary market, you're looking at oh you'll get these at twenty five, twenty eight, I bet. In yeah. In like new. Yeah, maybe maybe around that. Yep. Yeah, these are terrific. Cusk certified. Great great great great. The the black with the faux Tina loom I'm not really really jacked on. Yeah. Well it's always kind of been that way. But this kind of sand duny yellow white. It slaps. Slaps in slaps it does. I I agree with you. Um, you know what I wish Tutor would come back out with? Is a North flag. Mm-hmm. I really wish Tudor would come back, but I want it like integrated. I want like a real Tudor North flag. I mean I could just go buy a Tutor North flag, obviously. Now I'm curious what you thought my favorite was gonna be. Oh, do you wanna make do you wanna try to guess it? Mmm. I I was gonna I I I mean I was fine with it, but I was also gonna be like meh. Oh did you think that uh I was gonna go with the Baleen the Nizumi Baleen release? No. I th I no. In fact, we'll just talk about it. Yeah. So Nizumi is a brand that we have long really liked. Uh like since some of the earliest episodes of the show, uh, the Stockholm based brand doing vintage inspired and really thoughtfully designed watches has done a new release of their Balin dive watch. And it's killer. It does have Fotina, which is a little bit of a bummer for me. But they they just everything they churn out is just good. Uh so it's a 40 millimeter case. They've s they the bezel is actually at 39 millimeters, just to kind of compact the top-down view of that watch. Um 12.1 thick, 47 lug to lug. These are 100 meter water resistance. Hang on, I gotta verify that. But 100 meters of water resistance on a Miyoto 9039 movement. These are 200 meters. 200 meters of water resistance. 200 meters. Um and this is good. 695 euros on uh a steel five link, just a really good vintage-inspired dive watch. And they give you sort of um like a slab-sided upright diver on the side profile, but then with the Bombay lugs and that reduced size bezel, you get really sort of a dynamic flowing appearance from the top, uh, full loom on the bezel. I don't know if you said that, Andrew, and I apologize if you did. But yeah, no, I I Nizumi is such a weird brand because we just don't talk about them very much. Um they're using 9039, which I think they're they're well well acquainted with. They're well acquainted with the Miyoda movements. Um good handset, good fonts, great fonts. Nazumi's always done a good job with fonts. Yeah. Um and it's slimmer. So this this new case is a full millimeter thinner than previous editions, which is a huge improvement. Yeah, because we're still at like 13, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's actually a wonderful. For a tutometer dive watch, that's that's a good dimension. Yeah. And and and pretty easy to do with the Miyoda movement. So um and the price is right too, right? Like seven hundred and fifty bucks. Yeah. US or thereabouts. Um no, that's not uh no and Andrew, the the watch I thought that you were going to select for your watch of the year is a watch by Aviate. Aviate came out with a watch this week, and it looks different than Than any watch Aviates ever released, but it looks like some other watches. Well, but also doesn't. Yeah. It actually I don't think I I mean I we made a joke we we were joking about how the design language of this watch sort of uh you know evocative of uh notice was the brand, I think that we we all kind of say, Oh, this is this got some some notice vibes in there, which is not a bad thing, right? Um, not at all. The the story of this watch is that AV8 came to Warn and Wound. Warn and Wound has what they call their exec their creative services branch. And Aviate hired Warren and Wound to find a sort of a a gap in the market and help aviate design a watch to fill that gap. Now that is the legend and I'm just gonna say I don't see that there was a gap in this market? No. I don't I don't and so maybe the maybe the communication has failed a little bit in that regard as to to exactly what gap they were trying to fill. Now, that is not the same as me saying I don't like this watch because I do. So what this is, is they're calling it a field watch. I would say it is, which is odd for Aviate. With that said, I it is very much a pilot-inspired field watch. Um it's got these really crispy markers. It has uh an interesting rubber strap that it comes with, which is sort of a uh integrated rubber, it's not an integrated watch. With that said, the rubber folds around. Yeah. Fitted rubber. Um they're calling this the oh what is it? It's the C V RT 3775A. Which I think stands for can these lugs be any longer? It could it stands for C D R T is covert. Oh and thirty seven seventy-five is thirty-seven point seven five millimeters. Uh A I assume means an uh Arabic emerald convention that uh like actually makes sense? Uh it doesn't. Um it is i the real magic happens on the side profile of the case. So we've got these lugs that angle down sharply. We've got a great PVD black knurled bezel that sits on top of a beautiful non-PVD mid-case. From the top down, it does appear to have very long lugs. However, if you measure them along the x-axis. I don't or the would that be the y-axis? I don't believe that they're actually that's x-axis long. No, they're they're not. It's because of the shape of the lugs that they grab light and push it out in a way, and this fitted rubber strap and they are long creates an illusion that they're much longer than they actually are. Um we've got a four o'clock bezel and a four-thirty date, which is all a little weird. Uh, with that said, I really think that they've nailed it. We do have a lot of polish for a field watch, a great handset, great loom, uh, fully loomed all, of the markers are loomed, which includes cardinal Arabic numerals and sort of wedge batons at the non-cardinals. We've got a raised minute track. I am I'm good with this watch. I think it is a really I think it is a really lovely watch. Um and and it's affordable. They're using NH movement or 9015. Yeah, Miota movement. We're $450. Yeah. On this. 11 millimeters thick, including the crystal, uh, you know, sapphire, we're we've got all the things. And it's a pretty attractive watch. It it really is. I I like I first saw it, and number one could not believe that it came from Aviate because it doesn't make sense in the Aviate landscape, that's all historic aircraft inspired watches. And this is a modern tool watch. This looks like micro mill spec. This looks like notice. This looks like not, you know, it not it doesn't look like micromill spec, right? But it looks like that ilk. It looks like marathon. It looks like these modern it doesn't look like fucking aviate. No, no, I think that's what you're trying to say. Yeah. Like everything we hate about aviate, we don't I don't hate anything about eight but everything I dislike about avate is absent. Yeah, everything that would cause me that has caused me to not buy one of their watches, though I like them, just maximalist texture and this is this is none of those things exist here. I I would I might I would buy this watch. And I'd I'd really like wearing it too. It's a really handsome watch. Yeah. Yeah, it's cool. It's it's a cool watch. I mean, I I think this is the kind of watch, like someone's gonna see this and be like, that's cool, and I want to buy it, and they're gonna buy it and enjoy the shit out of it. That's my guess. Yeah, it's 450 bucks. That's right. You're not, you're not taking that big of a flyer on this. Yeah, the price, the price is really great. So I thought that was going to be your watch of the year, Andrew. I thought that, you know, you had spent the week with it and we were like we don't have one of these in person, just so sure. I just mean like you'd spent the week with the idea of it. Uh no, actually I I hadn't thought about it since I opened up this link and pinned it to talk about. What's next? Oh shoot. Um oh I want to talk about uh the brew and teddy baldasare collaboration. I think it's Baldasar. There's an E at the end. You're not wrong. Uh the Teddy Watch. So uh this is a brew metric with just a couple little tweaks. So we have a signed case back uh with just brew brew and teddy on the case back. Um it's still a VK68 mecha quartz movement. Uh the I I want to find the little tweaks that he did. Uh he changed the hands on the chronograph, and just a little slight tweak of the color. This is good. It it reads like a brew. It looks like a brew, but it's Teddy's interpretation of a brew. Right? I think these are the best collaborations that are like, hey, an individual collaboration, right? Like, hey, I I kinda like this colorway. Can you make it for me? And other people are gonna like it too. Mm-hmm. And yeah, just a banger. I love brew. I made I made I recommended brew to a colleague the other day at work, and there she her kids are graduating grad school and she's like, I want to get them a watch. And I was like, Well, how much do you think about spending? She's like, How much can I spend? Like, how much can you spend? Have you heard of Gerald Jenta? She's like, well, like how much does the last watch you bought cost? I was like, you don't want the answer to that question. Like under or over a thousand? She's like under. Okay. All right. So now we're in the ballpark. And I was like, I think you should think about brew. Uh, you know, 500-ish bucks for all their watches. They're attractive. They're like, they run. They look good. I also recommended the PRX. It's hard. It's hard not to. I mean, really it is. I I think it's probably like the college grad watch of the five years. Yeah, that's right. And a Soyosa and the the new thirty-eights. Yep. No, this is attractive. It it's attractive. I uh I sort of have a gut reaction to a watch like this. I well, the first picture I saw of it wasn't of the dial, it was the case back. I was like, what why? And then I had to read about it, which was annoying. I was like, wait, just explain this to oh, oh, there we go. He's saying it was annoying that I sent just the case back. That was the first picture I saw of it. You said that, yeah. Yeah. It and Teddy obviously has a really interesting relationship with I think sort of watch enthusiasts of our generation, right? But you know, he's gone from being a you know uh uh a content creator to something much bigger, right? You know, storefronts and um selling watches and uh he's really sort of locked in the space in some ways. So um I I've never probably thought, oh, he's just my favorite content creator, or I need to buy watches from Teddy. But that's maybe just not how I operate. He's he's clearly in some ways encapsulates the voice of that generation of watch enthusiasts, I think. Yeah, I think so. Uh it it's cool. It's it was a surprise to me that it's his first collaboration. I was surprised by that too. Yeah. But cool. I mean, it is it's objectively a cool watch. Um RZE. Yeah. RZE released a one off of their uh really, really cool UTD 8000. Um, this is the UTD 8000 CKG, uh, which is a Sarakote, a green Sarakote case UTD, with a black PVD bezel and an amber display. And I saw this thing and I was like, oh shit. This is maybe my favorite UTD that's come out at this point. There you go. Um you know so the UTD obviously is RZ's digital G Shock-ish watch that they released last year, which was just been a hit in part because of the material titanium and the really realistic price point that they're selling these at, you know, down right 250 or 300, I think. 340 bucks. Well, this one's 340 bucks, but that's a premium on the regular, which I think off like without the bracelet is only 250 bucks or something like that. Um this one, of course, does not come with a bracelet, and I and actually I think none of them come with a bracelet. You have to buy the bracelet separate. I think it's like two hundred and fifty or two hundred dollars. I think I like this on this canvas, like this padded canvas. Yeah, so there's no Saracoated bracelet that you could get for this, at least as far as I know. Um, so you'd either have to wear this on a on a regular titanium bracelet, which probably look really weird, or on the canvas strap that they sell it on and it looks great on the canvas strap. But this watch just with the that green, that really dark green, like sort of a dark drab uh Ceraco, then that black, and then the amber. Shit, man. They like this thing for being just sort of like color. And then you also have an orange ring in between the bezel and the case to match that amber or to sort of complement that amber. Great, great, great execution of color on this. I'm I I really like seeing small brands dabble with digital in an in a not like bullshit way. It's you know it's not to say that Far and Swit doing the A side side and B is bullshit, but it's just it's fun, digital, like inexpensive, like fun stuff. This is a this is a legit watch. Yeah. That's awesome. 340 bucks. They're coming in Toyota toolboxes too. I I mean, they're just really nailing all the small stuff. And they're doing it for such a a a good price. Um yeah, this thing's terrific. I like it. That's a good pick. I also picked it. But I talked about it. Mm-hmm. You've kind of been uh usurping me. Oh, I know what I'm gonna talk about. Mark II and Project Recover have teamed up for a Hellion Baku tribute watch. So Mark II famously does a lot of World War II and later inspired military watches and has teamed up with an organization called Project Recover for this special edition watch. Now, Project Recover is an organization that uh uses all of their time and resources to uh locate and repatriate the remains of fallen American service members throughout the world. This watch is uh it's kind of an interesting uh what's their they're calling it the um it's a blend of the World War II issued canteen watch and an A11. It's a just a very classic black dial, white markers, white numerals, World War II inspired watch. But it bears the um I want to make sure I get this right. So it bears the names of members of UDT 10 on the case back. Uh and this is coming in two editions. Uh first edition is um the watch only. It's the standard package. And then the premium package, or it's not the watch only, it's the watch in the box and packaging materials. The premium edition is coming with a hat, uh challenge coin, uh some other swag to go along with it, and this is flat rate donations uh toward Project Recover with the purchase of your watch. I think it's a really cool organization to be partnering with Mark II and a cool watch also. Good transparency from Bill to uh on you know, if you get the upgraded package, he's gonna give $80. He donates, you know, there's an it it includes an eighty dollar donation. It it's just good transparency and a obviously a really cool program and a cool watch. I, you know, all of that to say nothing of the watch, right? It's a really good-looking watch. It is, it's a 39 millimeter, 13.5 thick, brush 316L, 100 meters of water resistance, coming on a haviston strap, just a really attractive tool watch. Yeah. Concur. Uh, I think I'm gonna talk about a watch that we've never we I don't think we've ever talked about this brand on the show. I could be wrong, and if you want to go back and listen to early episodes and at me, I actually don't even think if we have talked about this, the episodes that we would have talked this would have been in the first year of the show. And you can't I, don't think you can get those episodes anymore. They're all gone. Um, we still have them, but they're they're not available. Um Movato. Have we ever talked about Movato? Uh uh. So for me, for me I think we've referenced it. I don't know if we've ever talked about a Movado watch. For me, when someone says to me, Oh, yeah, I I'm kind of into watches. Yeah, I've got, you know what? I've got a really nice watch and I can never remember the name of it. What is it? It's a Movato. It's Mavato. Always. You've got a Mavato museum that someone bought you at a shopping mall circa 2008 and it's I'm sure lovely. Um I don't know. I I I'm Mavato, I think a little bit like perhaps Raymond Wilde or or maybe some other brands, right? Has we we kind of know it for a thing that just by way of the thing, we've naturally denigrated it in the space. Uh, with that said, Movado has this really, really excellent history in watches. They're a very old brand. Um, and they've been doing watches for forever. And they just uh they just released, I say really old, I think that they're like a uh late 19th century brand, which is not really old in watches, but it's pretty old. Um I just hate all of their watches. Well scrolling their catalog right now. I I don't hate this watch, which is the reason I'm gonna talk about it. So Movado uh has released a watch that they're calling the 1917 Heritage Collection. And on paper, I believe that they've released this watch in two sizes, which are too big and too small. Uh but that's okay. We're gonna c we'll come back to that. Uh what this is, is a stepped bezel square dialed square and cased uh sport watch. I I think very, very reminiscent of a Santos case, which I don't think is unfair. Um, and they've lined these up with some excellent fonts and some excellent dials. Uh working working with uh Tyrese Halliburton, I guess, as their spokesperson for this watch. Um they've they've released some marketing. Tyrese Halliburton, obviously not a tiny fellow. Uh, and he wears the 45 millimeter version of this watch very well. Still looks a little big on him. I will say he wears this watch very well. Um 34.1. So they have this in two sizes. They've got this in a 34.1 and then a 45.2. I think so it's a square watch, which is to say it's it it it should wear a little bigger than it says. However, the hodinky article that we're gonna link to, Tim Jeffrey says the 34 really wears too small, and the 45 wears really well on his wrist. So who knows? You obviously, if you're gonna buy one of these, you're gonna need to try them on. But I thought, you know what? This is a really, really lovely watch. So this is harkens back to pre-museum Movado. Um, they're selling these in sunburst with sunburst dials, all stainless steel. Um they're coming with Salita movements with exhibition case backs, not sure it needs that. We've got great tapering uh solid link bracelets that come on these. Um and they look great. So if you want one of these on a bracelet, they're it's gonna run you like fifteen, sixteen hundred dollars, or I guess seventeen hundred dollars. Um, and I want to try one on. I'm not gonna buy one of these without trying one on. I think the the 34 probably wears really great. On in paper on on paper, that would be the one that I would tend to, but in seeing the pictures, I'm thinking it might be too small. I don't think so. The Santos is 35. The Santos medium is 35. And that works great. It is fantastic. I just looked up, I had to reference it. Uh they've gone up in price. 7700 bucks right now from Cartier. Yeah, Sanders are expensive. Yeah. Everything's getting more expensive. Yeah. I think this K shape would I think that thirty-four would wear really, really good. A and obviously, you know, w we don't know. So i if you're interested in this. Um really interesting crown guard. Take a look. Like a little faux crown guard. Yeah, you know, the cubitus came out this last year, and this is not dissimilar to that although I think this has got a case that's a lot more reminiscent that Santos than the cubitus but it does seem like we're gonna see some square watches. I like the blue. It's a gorgeous blue. The sunburst on that blue is terrific. I really like the IP gold bezel with the with the gray. If they'd two-tone with the bracelet too, I think I would be a little bit more on board with that. I don't know how you two-tone it because it's just flat lengths, but and I think these need better movement too. So they've got the Solita 200, which is fine, but I I think that's for a watch that's hanging out in this uh you know under two thousand dollar two hundred's fine. Now I will say the historical reference on these has bregay numerals, big oversized bregae numerals and man oh man. If that was what we got here. That would have been a better choice. And these like great Spring Chance. Uh we didn't get that, so we won't talk about it. But maybe next time. Maybe next time. I think this is a cool release from Movado. Uh I I'm a I'm a fan of this. I I I also am. That original release had to be like a thirty-two. Yeah, a little, yeah, it's a little guy. Little little bitty tank guy. No, no crown guards on it though. Yeah. What's next? Ooh, next up for me. Uh hmm. What do we have for time here? Okay, we're doing good. Fine. Uh Omega, fourth gen planet ocean and it's new everything new bracelet new case diameter or new case size, great colors. And I'm for it. Right? It's a planet ocean. It's an iterative release. Uh they've included in it their new uh got a yawn here, uh the the new coaxial um eighty-nine twelve movement, sixty hours of power reserve Chronometer movement. It's the the silicone uh balance spring coax movement. It's their thing. Uh And I like it. It's not for me. But I like all of the upgrades. Uh I've never, I don't think I've ever handled the Planet Ocean. Uh and looking at these photos, I I feel like I want to just wear one for a couple days and then give it back. Uh the black dial orange accent cardinals with the orange bezel is terrific. Six hundred meters of water resistance. This this doesn't look like Omega in my mind. Like when I think about the Omega uh Omega as a brand, the Planet Ocean never comes to mind. Ever. Like I forget about it. Hmm. How come? I don't know. Okay. I think maybe because it's so out of the uh it's just so different from everything else that I associate with Omega. First thing comes to mind when I think about Omega is the Speedmaster, immediately followed by the Aquatera Seamaster Pro. And then nothing. Well, you know what's interesting to me is the planet ocean has always for for it for for my i in my view, the planet ocean has always looked very much like a sort of beefy SMP, right? So we've got SMP's pretty beefy as it is. We've got Bombay Lugs, you know, we've got and and so there was always this there was always this like uh genetic connection between the two, you know. These are cousins, certainly. Well, this this I really think puts that all out the window because this has nothing to do with the SMP. I mean, there's no similarity between this and from what I can tell, any Omega watch that's ever been released. This is not, you know, looking back, you've got this genetic lineage in Omega's dive watches going back to the 1964 Seamasters, where you can kind of trace the the development. This is a hard right turn. um which is not to say I don't like it because I do how however this is the most Japanese watch that Omega I believe has ever released. Look at all the look at all these angles on the lug and the end link. Very, very, very angular on this guy. Four, five, six, seven. There's seven bevels on the lug. And bless their hearts. Omega has taken the planet ocean from a 16 millimeter deep sea bullshit to a 42 by 13.79 millimeter watch. So still with all the water resistance. 600 meters. We've gotten a full almost two and a half, a full two, almost two and a half millimeters off of the thickness. Um golly, I think that this is really cool. We have an orange ceramic bezel, which is more expensive because orange ceramic's more expensive to produce. Like you said, we've got a coaxial movement in an under 14 millimeter case we've got tapering bracelets which is in my mind terrific, a really good looking bracelet, too. I'm just gonna say, for me, uh, I think this is the best Omega bracelet I remember seeing. Uh the end link is perfection. Yes. At least in the pictures. Um fully milled end link, female connection. I I am really high on this release. And when I first saw it, my nose rankled like this. Just a little bit. And then I started looking and I was like, nope, I'm wrong. This is excellent. I think that this is Omega's best release in It's their best non-Speedmaster release in a decade, I think. I can't think of anything that Omega's released non-Speedmaster that I like better than this in a very, very long time. When was the last time Omega released something new? Well, they release new shit all the time. No, they don't. They just bedazzle it. And it's all fucking dumb. This not dumb. This is really well done. It's a cool upgrade. And and it's not cheap. It's a ten thousand dollar watch. Yeah. But I feel like you're getting what like this is a real move forward. It's terrific. It's not bedazzled. Yeah, an actual move forward. They've improved the technology, they've improved the size. They've just improved everything. And not been lazy about it. They didn't just put diamonds on it. I I'm I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan of this watch. It it doesn't feel quite like an omega. With that said, um with that said, I think it will quickly become an omega. Um just it feels a little ploproprofy to me. Yeah, a little bit. Like it there's obviously you don't have the you know you don't have all the ploprof accoutrement. Um but it feels a little ploprof to me. This is a cool watch, man. I think Omega's hit it out of the park on this. Was that your watch? It was. I picked it. So that means I have to go. Yeah, it is now your turn. Well, I think then I'm gonna talk about this and we'll just make this the last watch unless you have something else you want to watch uh talk about. Our propilot date collection. Um, really, what we're seeing is more of the same with just slight tweaks. Um, obviously, the pro pilot is a flagship for Oris, and they do a I mean really, really excellent watch with a lot of sort of hallmarks of Auris's design, including their sort of like bladed bezel and um just case shape and dial language um but all sort of delivered in this like really straightforward no nonsense package, w which is interesting for being such a sort of uh I don't know, whimsical's not the right word, but it it's a little bit of a I think a little bit of a whimsical. So this is a 41 millimeter diameter with slightly uh slightly tweaked dimensions. We are now down to 11.7 millimeters thick on this and a slightly shorter 49mm lug-to-lug. We've got fully satin brushed case, which is not different. Um, but we have a little bit less um a little bit less flash on the case. It's got a little bit more of a industrial looking case. We've got a hundred meters of water resistance, and we've got really, really, really phenomenal dial colors. Um, we've got a black, chalk, or moss colored dial. Now these are all textured and I I think I'm sort of on record of as not being big fan of sand textured dial. With that said, the texture on these dials are this really good. Really, really good. Um, on that light gray, that's right. It's phenomenal. We've got a brushed steel Arabic numerals all the way around except for the six because these are Pro Pilot dates and we have a date at six. That's a good date window too. Yes. Yeah, it is good. Yeah ye,ah. The like the really shallow bevels on the framing than a framing. They they've framed it with love like a like a f a true frame, like a beveled frame. A raised minute track that has little bump outs at the hour markers, which gives it some like nice dimension. This winds up being just a propilot, but I feel like the upgrade is the upgrades are really, really nice to take this from a good watch to maybe a really good watch. We still, of course, have their airplane seat buckle clasp, which is cool and turns out works fairly well. Um, great end-link on this, female end link, which really works well with the case. The integration of the end link to the case is excellent. Uh some people wear this on a strap, and in fact that you can get this on a strap if you'd like. I think that is just a terrible choice. I think it's just a really, really bad choice. You're gonna get black hands if you get this on the olive or the white dial, uh, we get steel hands on the black dial. I I think the olive should also have steel colored hands, silver hands, but alas, I'm not the one who gets to make these decisions. The chalk version with the black hands is great. Yeah. And that makes sense. But that olive dial, I I think they could have gone with silver hands on the olive dial. I I'm having trouble I'm I I'm looking at a few different pictures of the the black dial with steel hands and they're not polished enough. They're um they're brushed, so you kind of lose them in the dial. Yeah, well I think that they're brushed for light reflection. To keep them from getting lost in the light. Losing on the dial. Well. Or the lack of light. Whatever. But um these are great. This is a really good up this is a really good sort of it's a good upgrade. Upgrade to an already pretty cool watch. These things I think they come in at like twenty five hundred bucks. Uh that sounds right. Hang on. We're almost there. Yeah, 2150 Swiss francs. Yeah. So 2500 ish bucks. I think that's about how much you pay for with these. Yeah. Um You can still get an X400 at 39 millimeters, which wears really, really well. Um this is slightly bigger. Yeah. Yeah. I wish just one person in the world didn't have aurus. I think I would probably like Horus. And one dude ruined it. Just distaste. Andrew, did you have any more watches you want to talk about? Yeah, we closed the links. In that case, uh I'll just ask you other things w what do you got? Oh I have the dumbest other thing. Just the dumbest. Okay. So um you get ads when you're watching streaming now, because you know, they gotta pay for things such as life. Um one of the ads that I agree I uh was rudely interrupted. Uh so I see this ad for this product and I'm at the grocery store and I see it. I'm like, you know what? Let's take the flyer. So the thing is Dawn Power Wash. Uh and and I've I've been seeing ads for it me since the product came out. And I'm a Dawn soap user because Dawn is the best dish soap. Like if you're buying anything else, I don't really know what's wrong with you. Uh but your dishes are still probably a little dirty. So anyway, I'm at the store and I see it and I'm like, eh. Whatever. It's it if worst case scenario, it's just a spray bottle of soap. This shit is like paint thinner. It is terrific. And I'm talking like immediate. Like you know, you have those glass like cake pans that you use to roast vegetables in, you just get kind of like crusties on it, or like some burnt oil. Sure. Uh, and then you inevitably forget it in your oven for a couple days and it's like really on there. You just and hit it with the sprayer, and it is immediate acting. Huh. It is the stupidest. Cause it it it smells like damn near paint thinner. Like it still smells like Dawn, but I'm like, hmm, this is some hyped up Dawn that we're working with. So I don't know if it's the chemical composition of it or maybe the force of the spray or just perhaps the way it's like coming out already in a foaming, already foamed up. So you're getting immediate cleaning action. This is the dumbest other thing I've ever done. But I I took this, I just grabbed a bottle of it, and I'm like, I'm never gonna be without this again. Game changer in the way of doing like cookware dishes so there is a you can find recipes of these online uh it looks like it is done with ice isopropyl alcohol it probably is i mean i don't know i didn't do any research into it. I bought the thing and I'm gonna be buying refill for it. I love that. It's terrific. I I love that. My cookware is so much cleaner. It's funny, ca I've it's not something I've ever tried. No, because why would you? Because you have soap and a sponge. Yeah, I mean it just seemed like sort of gimmicky. It is not. You're suggesting I'm saying it's worth the uh I don't know how much it is. It's worth the risk. Well, I mean it's the same as uh it's the same price as everything else, right? I I need something for my stovetop. I feel like the stovetop never gets as clean as I want it to. I just I use this the glass stovetop cleaner. Well I've got a glass top. Yeah, I don't have a glass top. I've got, you know, a gas with grill. And so inevitably you get stuff that gets down on the enamel. Mm-hmm. And it just sort of like I can't ever get my I can never get my uh like my metal gas grates thoroughly clean. Sure. Because of glass top gas range uh and those the the grates never seem to get clean. Oven cleaning problems. Well I'm gonna use some of your Dawn power wash on my on my oven. Highly recommend. Uh Andrew, I've got another thing. Do me. So Alton Brown is uh I would say sort of the uh the turkeys are of America. I'm gonna make that claim. Uh going back to two thousand one when Alton Brown was Alton. It's his name. What did you say? Alton. What am I saying? Alton. Alton Brown. Uh when he was when he was editing and writing Good Eats, uh he introduced the brine, the turkey brine to America. And and if you don't realize this, uh Alton Brown changed the way we cooked turkeys in America in two thousand one. All of a sudden, everybody you know Brian's their turkey. And we all do it because of Elton Brown. Home Depot runs out of igloo Gatorade containers in November because of Elton Brown. Uh and then a few years later he uh he introduces the world to uh deep frying turkey. And burned down half of Middle America. And burns down half of Middle America. And then and then a few years later he really I I he certainly didn't invent spatchcocking, but really was responsible his articles and videos responsible for half of everybody you know doing a dry brine and a spatchcocked turkey uh we just Alton Brown is the single human who has changed in the last quarter of a century the way we do turkeys for Thanksgiving. Used to be everybody cooked their turkey the same way. Which was just dry and crispy skin. Stuffed and dressed. Anyway. Alton Brown released a new video just this last week. And I believe the video is titled uh I'm back, or at least that's what the thumbnail is. Uh, but he uh it is episode one of Alton Brown Cooks Food, his new series, and he goes back and revisits that original brined turkey recipe with 24 years now of experience and it's uh he's a little bit of a dick and he's a little bit pompous in this video. With that said, it's charming. He kind of always is. I know that's uh yes, that's right. It's charming and it's Alton Brown in the way that you want him to be. And it's a cute video, but he's also really practical about here's how I do things, here's how I make the gravy. Start thinking about your gravy before an hour before you know, everybody waits till the end and they cook their gravy with the drippings. No, no. Here's what you're gonna do: you're going to cut up carrots and onions and celery, and you're gonna put them in the bottom of your roasting pan and you're gonna collect those drippings in those vegetables and then you're gonna strain those and use that for your like it's just little things. So I am going to follow this recipe uh I either exactly, it's not a recipe, it's just a method. I'm either gonna follow this method exactly or there's a two-stage cook. So he does a browning stage and then he puts a hat on the on the breast of the turkey and does a cooking stage. I may do a brown at 500 degrees in my oven and then cook on my Kamato at 350 to do the cooking phase, which would incorporate some smoke into the turkey. So I I haven't decided. I haven't decided. I have for years. I may do that. So it and I would it would be pretty much perfect if I put it in to brown for 30 minutes at 500, got my Kamado ready at that point, got it to three fifty, slap that guy in there. I think I'd have enough space to do it too. So I I haven't decided yet, but there is a possibility that that's what I'm gonna do. Or I'm just gonna cook it in the oven. But no stuffing. He I don't stuff it. He's a big uh proponent of uh and he Oh I put I put like lemons and herbs in to stuff. He said he says don't even do that because it lowers the temperature the turkey and increases the risk that you're gonna dry it out. Um but he also wraps it uh with twine so he's got his method for um trust it up for trussing it so um it'll be the first time i've done a brine turkey mm-hmm it'll be the first time i have followed anything other than the old method. But um yeah, I my other thing for the week is Elton Brown's original method as restated by Elton Brown in 2025 for our Thanksgiving season. So the Turkeys are of America's self-proclaimed, no, actually ever proclaimed Turkey's Are of America's newest turkey video. I uh I weave together a bacon blanket and put it on top of my turkey. I love that idea and I also hate it. Why? Because it's like it's it's extra. I'm gonna do I'm not I'm not gonna do extra. Well then so that's why I like during my early cook and then when I crank the heat to brown everything, I pull the bacon blanket and then the bacon blanket gets broken up and added into like a vegetable thing. So that's the other thing he does. He browns in the first part and then covers and then covers, which I is interesting. Because he's working at a higher temperature. Yeah. I'm gonna hang out at like 250 for four hours and then I'm gonna start at five hundred I think and then and then I well I'm gonna follow his I'm gonna follow his method exactly I'm interested I uh have you ever deep fried a turkey I've never have no I I I probably wouldn't either. It's just not I've had deep fried turkey and it's not it's like it's novel. It's uh Oh neat. I mean I've had a deep-fried turkey leg. Mm-hmm. I I like smoking it. I think you get like it it's hard to dry out a turkey at 250 degrees. Harder, certainly, right? Yeah. Uh Andrew, do you have anything that you feel like you have to say to these folks before we let them go for I don't. Have a happy Thanksgiving. Have a happy Thanksgiving folks. Yeah, I agree. I I'll second Andrew's wishes. Hey folks, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the WatchClicker Podcast. Do me a favor, go to our website, that's watchclicker.com. That's where we post articles and reviews and other written things. If you want to follow us on social media, you can do that on Instagram at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker or at watch clicker that's where we post post photographs and uh other updates about things we might be doing on the website or on the podcast. If you want to support us in O Boy, we hope you do, you can do that at patreon.com slash 40 and 20. There's a bunch of you that give us just a little bit of money, and without you we would not be able to keep this thing going because hosting is really expensive. 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