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Talking Seiko, Orient, and Hamilton with the Watch Clicker (367)

Published on Mon, 10 Nov 2025 20:36:27 -0800

Synopsis

In this episode of the Watch Clicker podcast "40 in 20," hosts Everett and Will (filling in for Andrew who's at Disneyland) discuss recent watch releases and news. They analyze several new timepieces including Tag Heuer's Senna edition, Orient's Europe-exclusive Symphony models, Hermes' HO8 chronograph, Studio Underdog's collaboration with Messina Lab, Christopher Ward's C1 Jump Hour, Universal Geneve's expensive tribute chronographs, and Hamilton's futuristic Ventura Edge Skeleton. Throughout their conversation, they evaluate design choices, pricing strategies, and technical specifications while sharing their personal opinions on each watch. Beyond horology, they discuss Will's 3D printing hobby and Everett recommends the Netflix series "Boots" for its authentic portrayal of military training. The conversation is casual and enthusiastic, with both hosts sharing drinks (bourbon for Will, Jack Daniel's for Everett) during their discussion.

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Everett Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts Everett and the Watch Clicker Will. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Will, how the heck are you?
Will I am now trying to hold in my laughter during the intro because of the face you made when that cork popped. I wish that everybody could see that because it was fantastic.
Everett It wasn't a very good cork pop, man.
Will You were so unsatisfied.
Everett It's really unsatisfying. That was the second attempt, too. It's not happening.
Will I think that was technically the third. Yeah, perhaps. Because you did another one before we hit record.
Everett Yeah, that one was good. The one that we didn't record was good.
Will I might be able to... Oh, I got it. Yeah, swap the audio because we were still recording. Yeah. Everyone will be like, what the heck are they talking about? That cork pop sounded great.
Everett Will, you're here. Andrew's not here. Thanks for joining us.
Will Yeah, this is an interesting one because I think the last time that we were in person together and then recorded, I think would have been three years ago after the last windup we were out together.
Everett Oh, interesting. And we're just coming off a windup together now.
Will Yep, yep. Now, it hasn't been that long since I've been on an episode, but it has been a while.
Everett Since we were, well, yeah, we don't see each other all that often, actually, in person. No, yeah, no. Once every three years. Whether we like it or not. Well, Andrew is in Disneyland. And so he was unavailable for tonight's recording for obvious reasons. We did get word back from Sam that Andrew and Calvin are both feeling a little overwhelmed. So dad and the youngest.
Will That's not his first time at Disney World though, right?
Everett No, they've been to Disneyland before. I don't know. Or Disneyland, yeah, that's what I meant. I'm sure Calvin's been before, but he was probably a baby. So he's, you know, I think this is the first time Calvin's old enough to really sort of take everything in.
Will Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, it's fun. We're heading out on a Disney cruise in a week and a half.
Everett Now, that's something you guys do. I get nervous about cruises, just like seasickness or whatever, but everybody says it's really not a factor. No, I've never gotten seasick. I am definitely the kind of guy, I get on a boat and I'm not feeling well. But I think it's so big, it's not really a boat.
Will No, yeah, it's a floating town. Yeah. Yeah. You know, are you ready for the worst Segway in the history of Segways?
Everett Give it to me.
Will You know, if you're on a cruise ship or you're on a boat and you're not feeling good and you fall overboard, you're probably going to want a dive watch on your wrist. So we have some watches to talk about.
Everett We're here to talk about watches. That's a good point. I appreciate you being there. Will, since you're here, do you want to do the honors and get us started?
Will Yeah, I do. And I want to kick it off with a watch that I'm not necessarily excited about. I will never buy it, but I saw it and I was like, this reminds me of something. It's the, let me get the actual name of it, the Tag Heuer Senna. enduring legacy edition. It's a couple of chronographs, but what it just, it screams early two thousands tag to me where, you know, they had those funky bracelets. Some of them they still have, but the, you know, retro futuristic kind of font and all that kind of jam going on. It's just a, it's just a weird looking watch. And I just like it, especially from tag.
Everett I feel like tag, you either get, you either get like funky and weird or like, this is pretty straightforward, but there's no in between. Yeah.
Will Yeah. It's like, it's like you have this and then you have the career date that I had before, you know, the, just the basic three-hander.
Everett So I, I gotta tell you, I don't, I don't love this watch. Um, I think that there are a couple problems with this watch for me. One, I think just the platform of this watch presents a problem. It's such a big, weird... It's just such a big, weird watch. I don't mind the Brazilian link or the Senna helmet. I just don't like the watch. This is such a funky, big, giant beast.
Will I'm in total agreement with you. Like I said, I don't like it. I'd probably never buy it. Of course, I never would. But I don't know. I just saw it and I was like, this is just like cool for the sake of cool almost. It's like whoever designed it sat down and was like, I'm going to make something that everybody's going to hate, but we're going to make it anyway.
Everett We do get an interlocking sort of link bracelet, which is nice. I think that Tag could spend more time with that bracelet, but yeah, that's a weird fucking watch.
Will Yeah, they could spend a lot of time on a lot of their bracelets, but that's a conversation for another day. What do you got, Everett? What's your first one?
Everett You know, I think first watch for me, I'd like to talk about a Europe-exclusive Orient watch. Now, the article I am going to link to in the show notes calls this the AC-0F, introducing the Orient AC-0F in five new colors exclusive to Europe. Well, actually, sometimes they call it the ACOF and sometimes they call it the AC0F, which I'm not sure if that's just someone doesn't know the difference between a zero and an O. But in any event, most people call this the symphony, at least in the United States. And maybe that's not a thing in Europe. But this is the Orient Symphony. And Orient released five new colorways. of the symphony. Now these have baton markers, which I think by and large, if you get an Orient symphony today, prior to this release, it would come with Roman numerals, but these are five new baton marker symphonies. Um, and this comes in like sort of a, there's a, uh, like a rich Brown sort of a, it's like,
Will It's like if pastels had a little bit more saturation.
Everett That's right. That's right. They're like more saturated pastels. The gray, the green, the red all like have that pastel nature to them. The ivory is almost like a yellow. These are great colors. I don't know why these are Europe only. Like these would sell in the United States.
Will I wonder if this is, the colorways, you know, I'm thinking about when they're introduced, it's kind of right around, you know, mid-fall. And the dial colors remind me of fall. I wonder if that's kind of what they were going for. But I agree with what you're saying. I don't know why it's Europe only. It's kind of weird, especially now. You can go online and some dude on eBay is going to be selling one of these.
Everett Yeah, for a company like Orient, that almost makes no sense to have these Europe only. So if you don't know, compared to the newer 38 millimeter Bambino, the Orient Symphony is a 41.6 millimeter... Steel sport. It's not really a dress watch. And I'd like to say sort of sport dress watch, but I don't know if that's really accurate either. It's just a watch. It's a non-dive bezel watch that... You could do anything. This is, you know, sort of go anywhere, do anything, dressy sport watch. So one thing I'll say is... Automatic, kind of just regular release F6722 Orient release. 15 to 25 seconds per day, 11.7 thick. And they're like 300 bucks. So what I was going to say is...
Will I've never really liked the Orient, you know, name. Like, it just, I don't know, it sounds kind of bizarre. But I like their logo, that little, you know, I don't even know what you'd call it. But, you know, right above the word Orient and an automatic below. And I feel like this is one of the first watches that I've seen where that logo, like, it totally slaps. It looks good on these watches.
Everett Yeah, the saturation of the dials and the crispness of the logo, everything is working really well. Yeah, I don't know what they call that logo either, but the lions, the seal, I don't know. Most people don't like that. I really like the new sort of anniversary cursive logo that they've been using, but this application of this logo looks good here.
Will Yeah. Will, what's next? Yeah, I'm going to go with the Hermes HO8 chronograph in Naples yellow. So I've always really liked the HO8. I think it's probably if I was going to buy a watch, you know, and I kind of lump like Hermes and Cartier and Bulgari kind of together, you know, like they're fashion brands that actually have legit watchmaking chops. If I was going to buy a watch along that line, I think it would probably be an HO8. And the cool thing about this one is it's a mono pusher, which... I do not see enough of, and I'm sure I've talked about it in a bunch of my reviews about chronographs, that I wish there were more mono pushers. But it's built into the main crown, so there's not a separate pusher for it. So it's all done with a single pusher on a single crown. I mean, it looks sweet. I just wish it wasn't $13,000.
Everett Yeah, I mean, you come to expect that with Hermes, but it's really almost a like, why isn't every monopusher this way?
Will Well, you know, I'm sure that'll trickle down the line. I bet you in, I don't know, about five years, maybe seven or ten, you'll see some micro brand coming out with a monopusher that just looks like, man, messed that one up, looks just like this.
Everett Have you ever seen that before? The first time I've seen this...
Will I want to say no, but I don't know if it's, you know, I don't know, deja vu or something. But yeah, I don't think I have, but I almost want to say yes, but maybe for a different function, like, you know, changing the date or something like that. I know I've seen other things built into a crown. I just can't think of what it was. But I mean, this is just... Really cool. But I mean, yeah, if I was going to get an HO-8, it wouldn't be this. It would be one of the standard ones because you can get those, I think, for between like three and five. Yeah. Especially used.
Everett Yep. I think that's exactly right. Super, super affordable for what you're getting, I think. This has a lot of stuff going on, right? We've got... We've got this really interesting case steel. We've got that mono pusher. There's a lot going on here. This is sort of a more advanced dial than I think you're normally getting with the HO8. Obviously a really cool movement with this. So there's quite a bit going on here besides just HO8.
Will I like the asphalt dial texture too. I think it looks really cool with the yellow. Kind of reminds you of a roadway, you know, racing I guess is maybe what they're going for a little bit there without just doing black and white.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, HOA, if you don't know sort of a love it or hate it font, I would say on this, it's certainly interesting. I don't think it's going to appeal to everybody. I personally think it's great because it's sort of their own thing. Some line weight stuff that is, is weird. I'm not sure that everybody's going to love this, but, um, Yeah, graphene case on this too, which is interesting. We don't see a ton of that, although it's increasing. And it's got a bit of like a... Like almost gives it like a Damascus look, that graphene. They're calling this carbon fiber composite with graphene powder... Yeah, it gives it a bit of a Damascus feel instead of the normal carbon fiber that you're getting either in either application.
Will I think the regular three-hand HO8s have something like that, some different case materials or something. Maybe I'm not right on that, but I swear I've seen it before.
Everett Oh, boy. What do you got next? You know what? I think I'm going to also talk about a monopusher because there was an interesting one that came out this week. Specifically, Studio Underdog teamed up with Messina Lab for the next version of their 03 series watches. Studio Underdog has just been... all over the place in the last couple of years. And 2024, they teamed up with, uh, Moser in a release that I think kind of a head scratcher for some people really delightful for others, you know, just sort of a weird release. And that was their Oh three series. They're back with their second version of this. And this is the, uh, Champagne and caviar is what they're going to call this, which, sure.
Will I can see the champagne, but not the caviar, and maybe I'm not sophisticated enough to see that.
Everett You know, the caviar, Will, is on the sub-dial, right? Sub-dial, yeah. You get that caviar texture.
Will Oh, I just scrolled down to the close-up photo. I see it now.
Everett And so, again, what we've got here, Mono Pusher designed by Richard and Messina Lab. Messina Lab sort of kind of a bit of a tongue-in-cheek brand in and of itself. Kind of, we're going to do things different than anybody else is doing them. It's a really natural combination of characters, I think, here to come up with this watch. The watch itself is maybe boring, though.
Will All right, I've got a problem. I'm looking at the sub-dial, the caviar. Sure. Up close, that macro photo absolutely looks like caviar. It looks fantastic. But when you zoom out, especially the last photo, which is a wrist shot... It reminds me of, like, 90s cartoons where they actually had a little bit of violence in them, and, like, someone got, like, toxic goo splashed on them, and their skin started bubbling. It reminds me of that, and I can't unsee it now, and I'm really sorry for anybody else that I've just ruined that for. But I love this watch. I love the... I mean, you know, I've been getting a little bit more into, like, green watches lately. I love the green on it, and I think the champagne works really well. I wonder how cool this would have looked inverted, where the caviar was where all of the champagne color is, and the champagne color was the sub-dial. I think the texture would have stood out better, and I think the... I think it would have been a little bit more of a visually appealing watch.
Everett It would have been a more interesting watch for sure. You know, that's my one criticism of this is it's just the watch is a little boring. Everything about it is interesting, but the actual watch... It winds up being a little boring. So details on this. This is a Solita SW510M MPB. That's the elaborate grade manual winding, hacking second, 63-hour power reserve. We've got... Kojinev, Ruthenium Anthracite Bridge, made exclusively for Studio Underdog. This is a rad movement.
Will Dude, two things. Studio Underdog is crazy how quick they've blown up. I mean, they went from, man, what was it, two years ago? You know, just kind of being like that up-and-coming micro brand to now they've got Solita making them custom movements. It's wild. Yeah, yeah. But the other thing is... This thing is $2,200. Insane. If you want a very cool watch that has really great dimensions for a chronograph for $2,000, I mean, basically, hopefully, I don't know how difficult their... watches already get. I think they do just however many are purchased in a period of time.
Everett No, this is limited to 200. It'll be unobtainium.
Will You're not going to be able to get this. Although the one thing I do like is when they do the reels on Instagram where they show canceling people's orders because they found them on eBay and they put in the reason as flipper for reason for cancellation. Have you seen those?
Everett I have seen, yeah.
Will The only thing I wonder is I wonder how they figure out who the orderer is and the eBay person. I'm guessing by quantity and location maybe.
Everett Or maybe they've got a list of names. Maybe they've got a flipper registry. Yeah, but I love it. It's great. It's terrific. The movement's killer. The price is great. Just dimensionally, 38.5 millimeters by 13.6 thick, but that includes a domed crystal, so like a bubbled crystal. So this thing's terrific. Really great watch. If you can get one, you should get this. Absolutely. What's next, sir?
Will So I'm going to talk about... So the first watch I talked about is something I would absolutely never buy. This is a watch that has just made my short list. It's the new Grand Seiko SBGM 255 and 257. I'm going to talk specifically about the blue dial, which I think is the 255. um but anyway these 255 is the snowdrop the 257 so the drop yep thank you so this is grand seiko's update to the um what is it the 253 um which i i owned previously and what was funny is when everett and i were uh talking about this episode The announcement that we looked up was from Fratello Watches, and Everett was scrolling through, and he sends me the link, and he goes, look at the images. It's one of mine. With proper attribution. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They credit it. It was just funny to see my photo there. But anyway, I owned that watch, and it was... kind of one of my, I guess, grail watches, I'd call it. And I got it. And I always knew that the dial color might be a potential turnoff at some point. But I was like, maybe when I get it in hand and I own it, you know, I won't feel that way. And I didn't for a little while. And then I did. And it was because I wanted what they just came out with, which is this blue dial with the geoshape pattern on the dial. And the gold GMT hand with the gold GMT markers. I mean, good God, it is amazing. I'm in love with it. Like I said, it made my short list. I think it's about $5,000, a little bit more than that, something like that, which I think is what the 253 about went for recently. $5,400, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the only thing that kills it, and I'll be totally honest here, is if this had more than three ATMs of water resistance, I would sell my Explorer today and buy this.
Everett Yeah, well, and that's the trade-off with this watch. I think that Seiko could fix that if they wanted to, but I guess they don't want to.
Will No, they don't want to. I mean, put a screw-down crown in it and you can probably get it to 50 or maybe even 100. You know, it's... I think these have exhibition case backs, which might be part of it, but there's plenty of... Yeah, it does. But there's plenty of watches with exhibition case backs that have over 100 meters water resistance. It's not impossible. They have the money to do it. They just don't want to.
Everett I think it would be too easy. I think it would be too easy to do that here. Yeah, so this is... So I think at the SBGM221... is the reference that you had. Yeah, there it is. I got to be honest, I have never been wild about the dial color on that. It's sort of a, it's a little too dark. It's parchment. Yeah, it's almost like a light brown, like a really light brown, too brown to be white. Too white to be brown. I just have never been a huge fan of dial color.
Will Do you want to know why I think that dial color doesn't work, especially after seeing it in person for a little while while I had it? Tell me. It's because it's glossy and smooth. I think if Grand Seiko did what Grand Seiko does really well and put a on it, make it parchment. Lean into it a little bit. I think it would have been a totally different watch and people would have seen the dial color in a totally different way.
Everett I'm with you. I think that's a good call. With that said, they fixed it. They fixed it in every way.
Will They've added texture.
Everett They've added better colors. These watches are stunners. The white. These guilloche styles are terrific. Grand Seiko doesn't do a lot of guilloche. This is a pretty straightforward guilloche.
Will No, they don't. They're not into the symmetrical stuff. That's right. They like random and nature patterns and that sort of thing. I just had a thought. I've got my 40th birthday coming up next year. Everett, can I give you Danielle's number and drop a few hints? Yeah, I'm on it. Over the next three to nine months here? I'm on it, yeah.
Everett I can find Danielle's phone number. Don't worry about it.
Will I just took a drink. Bourbon's too good to spit out, so don't make me do it.
Everett What are you drinking?
Will I know you're drinking... The Rock Hill Farms. That's right. So that... Yeah, quick aside. That was something that my buddy got for my birthday for me. Now, his thing is... He's a big whiskey guy. He goes all over the place to find the rarer bottles and that kind of stuff. And his thing is that... He wants to give people whiskeys and bourbons for their birthday that are very hard to find, but he would only do it, you know, if the person would open it and drink it, you know, not try to resell it. Right. You know, so it's, I think it's, you know, it's a nice way to kind of do, you know, that kind of thing if you're a big time collector. So shout out to my buddy, Jeremy.
Everett I love that. I can't remember. Someone sent me something recently, and it was a story about a family, maybe a documentary even, where a father had given his son some whiskey. And the son said, oh, it's 20-year Pappy. I'm going to put this in the closet. And the dad was like, no, no. The only thing that's precious is us. The whiskey's not precious. And they drank it. They drank the entire bottle of Pappy. of 20 year old Pappy that night. And then within, within the next year, both the father and this guy's brother who they drank this Pappy with had died. Right. And it was just like this. Oh man. Yeah. Like the, the whiskey. That's why they say you can't take it with you. That's right. Yeah, that's right. It's just whiskey. Um, so I love that. I love that your friend, here's this awesome bottle of whiskey, but you got to drink it with me.
Will Yeah. That's what we did. I didn't, I waited to open it till, uh, because he gave it to me when I couldn't actually drink it. So I waited to open it until we could have it together.
Everett And I hear nothing but good things. I'm drinking just single barrel barrel proof Jack, which is one of my favorites. It's good. It's always good. It's always good.
Will All right, let's get back to the watches. What do you got?
Everett Hanhart released a 417 with a smooth bezel this week and They only released, this is a limited edition, 200 piece, and they're all sold out. But I think this is a platform that Hanhart's going to release more of. So this was a collaboration with Porsche Affair Magazine. 200 pieces, and it's got this brown sort of espresso coffee dial, which is interesting. I'm not wild. And it came on this bun strap. It's an optional bun strap. It looks to me like just a chocolate brown strap that tucks into a sort of a bun to sheath. So I think you get maybe best of both worlds. It also comes on a bracelet. But the 417 looks fucking great with a smooth bezel.
Will Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So I think the two things. The article title of this is hilarious. Introducing a smooth bezel on a Hanhart dot dot dot question mark. I love that because it's one of the things that's always driven me nuts about Hanhart is they have really cool looking watches, but they all have those wacky dials and I don't like or bezels and I don't like them. Yeah. But you know what? If this watch had a better looking bracelet, I would be all over it. It's a bit of a boring oyster bracelet. Yeah. It's an awesome-looking dial. I love the kind of chocolate brown coffee, like you said, with the stark white markers. And then the pushers, I think, are cool because you have the regular stainless one on the top, and then the bottom one is red.
Everett Yeah.
Will And it just looks like a really cool sports watch that I think could have been awesome. if they did something else with that bracelet, because you know what it is? It looks so sharp. I feel like you would put this watch on the wrist. And if it didn't have this sharp bracelet, you'd be like, wow, this thing is banging. Cause it's only 13, five thick.
Everett Yep. Yep. For a fully automatic see-through case back.
Will Yeah. And it's got long lugs, which, you know, that's Hanhart's kind of like, uh, uh, no most in a way with their, with their long lugs. But yeah, I don't know. They're skinny. It looks good.
Everett Yeah, no, it doesn't look bad. It's under 50 millimeters lug-to-lug, too, so it can't be that long. uh 40 49.8 they just made it effort so salida amt 5100 movement um means you get column wheel chronograph flyback 58 hours of power reserve super accurate movement too it it's a terrific look looking movement this thing's 2890 Under 3,000 euro. Wow, that's a... Dang, that's a great price. You know, I think that the one miss for me, the one miss, let's say the second miss, because I agree with you on the bracelet. The second miss on this for me is when you back up from this watch with the smooth bezel, I'm getting preventer vibes. How cool would it be if this was hardened steel... scratch-resistant, like basically a preventer chronograph. Nah, that's what Zinn's for. Yeah, fair enough, but they're already doing it. They already have the tech, right? They've already got... I mean, this is basically just a preventer chronograph, so why not do the full meal deal? It seems to me like the preventer is... It was one of my favorite watches of last year, and I almost picked one up when I was in... When I was in New York, I mean, it's one of my favorite watches out right now. I would really love it. That's a miss for me. This, I think, would be terrific.
Will It's terrific, but that would add to it. I got another thing on this. I didn't notice it, but now I'm even more angry about the bracelet because I thought those were just straight lugs. They have a really nice tapered chamfer going down to the tip of the lug, which is why they look so thin. Now I'm really pissed off about the bracelet because if they put a chamfer on those links, imagine how banging that would have looked. Yep. Anyway, and the second thing is... Actually, I'm in a three now. So the second thing is I would buy this watch on the bracelet and take it off and put it on a leather strap. because this watch looks really good on leather, especially brown leather because of the dial color. You can pull that leather.
Everett That leather on the bund is independent, so you can pull that.
Will Oh, I know. No, no, no. I know that. But what I'm saying, you always buy on the bracelet. Yeah, fair enough. But the other thing is, I think this is a watch that if you got to try it on, I think regardless of everything else that we've said, You try it on and you either love it or hate it. I think it all comes down to those lugs.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right.
Will I would love to try it on because of it fit really well despite those longer lugs. Because like 47 is kind of my limit for what like I think looks good on my wrist. And I don't know if I could do almost 50. 21 millimeter lug width. I'm just now seeing that. Oh, that's annoying. But that's why the lugs are thin.
Everett Yeah.
Will They squished it out a little bit. So you get yourself a super nice chocolatey brown suede leather strap, custom from our boy Veblenist, and you got money on this watch.
Everett Why not chonk that up a little bit on those, whatever, and go 20? It's fine.
Will It's fine. I think 21's a smart play. It's kind of like how Grand Seiko loves 19. Yeah. Yeah, whatever.
Everett What's next?
Will All right, let me see. I'm going to do... Where'd it go? We both had this one, but I'm going to steal it from you. It's the Vare Topo Design and Worn and Wound Solar Hiker Watch. The Kyle Snar. I think that... I think that takes the cake for the longest name of a watch ever, but hell yeah, dude, they did great on this. I think the one criticism that I've had about some of Worn and Wound's collaborations is that they go a little bit too heavy and kind of like the somewhat 90s feel with the neon colors and that kind of stuff, but I dig it. I'm not knocking it, but it's a little too consistent, I think is what I'm saying. But this is very, I'm going to go with earthy, which I'm guessing that they're probably going for, given the brands that are involved in this. You know, VAERS, very heavy, you know, Pacific Northwest brand. all that jam topos topo. Uh, I don't remember where they're located, but you know, they're hippies of some sort.
Everett Maybe, maybe out of Denver.
Will Oh yeah.
Everett Definitely.
Will Um, but it's, uh, I like the, the one that they just call green, which it looks like it has a very dark green dial, um, tan accents, uh, split. green and steel bezel uh with those kind of like liar ish lugs and 38 millimeters by 45 and 11 thick for 350 bucks yep with solar movement yeah dude it's good yeah yeah yeah i'm gonna they hit it out of the i'm gonna i'm gonna say something okay This, I think, is what Vare has been shooting for for years, and I don't think they quite nailed it until they worked with whoever came up with this package. I know it was all three of them, but someone steered them in this direction, and I feel like that's Vare's jam, and they nailed it on this.
Everett Yeah, I mean, I got to imagine it's the dude in the pictures on the WarnerWound website. Mm-hmm. This screams Kyle to me, the whole thing, top to bottom.
Will Yeah. Dude, and the case that it comes in is cool, too. It's got that... The bezel? No, the... Sorry. I mean, like, the actual case that they put it in. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yep.
Everett It's a Topo Design, like a Topo Design A5 sheath.
Will Yeah. Yeah, I always really like, even though I barely ever use them, like the functional cases, or I guess you'd call them boxes that they put watches in. But I always like seeing what people do. And a couple of my favorites were Dryden, when they did the thing that had the whole watch strap holder, and it was really cool. And then this one. I mean, it's something that I feel like... if this was a watch sold in the 1970s, let's say, this would be one of those things where nobody would have the watch anymore, but there would be people rolling around with that case, selling them on eBay, and Hodinkee would write some fluff story about it.
Everett Yeah, no, this is cool. It's a great release. I'm with you, man. The case on this watch, the bezel's terrific. You get both 60-minute... You get both a 60-minute dive bezel and a 12-hour bezel, sort of best of both worlds. It's solar. Pretty good syringe hands on this. Great numerals. It's terrific.
Will I love the seconds hand because it's like a hexagon, right? Yeah, it's on a symmetrical four-way hexagon. So it's not like a stop sign. It's a little bit like someone stretched it out vertically. and it looks really cool. And then the center stack is all green, you know? So I, I imagine at night, um, you know, if you, if you hit this, you know, with a little bit of loom, um, you know, the hands kind of look like they're floating around the dial. It's probably pretty cool looking.
Everett I was a little surprised. No loom shot.
Will Do they have? Yeah. I was just going to say, do they have a loom shot?
Everett No, they don't.
Will Oh yeah, they do. And they do. They look like they're floating around.
Everett Yeah.
Will Well, I'm not finding it. It says Exceptional Loom. It's on the green page. All right. Not the black one. Oh, if you actually go to the... Yeah. The black one looks good, though, too. I like them both, but that green is really good. I like that green. Yeah, the green is terrific.
Everett I'm with you.
Will That's the one. That's a tempting watch. Especially because Topo Design's logo doesn't suck.
Everett I do think this is maybe a little bit heavily... Oh, yeah. Look at those hands.
Will If you took that strap off of it that has the giant topo designs on it and just put it on a leather canvas or a NATO or something, it'd be totally fine. I'm talking about the one on the dial.
Everett Yeah, yeah.
Will I like the strap, but it's a lot. Yeah, it is. But that's their thing. They put those big stitched logos on everything. What do you got for me?
Everett Yeah, Christopher Ward C1 Jump Hour Mark 5 came out this week. Let's talk about it. We've known about this one for a few weeks also. This watch is, I think, in a word, wild. Christopher Ward continues to release wild watches. And they're wild conceptually. And then you actually see the watch and you're like, whoa, that's wild. Or at least that's the case for me. So this is a digital jump hour watch that... is somebody else released a watch very similar to this this year, and I just had a blanket on who it is, though. It'll come back to me. Wait, did you say digital? Yeah, well, I guess it's not digital. It's just a jump hour. It goes all the way around. It's not a separate one and a zero for 10. It's just 10. Oh, I see what you're saying. I got you. Yeah, this thing's crazy. We've got a 39 millimeters, 14 thick, which is a jump hour, 47 and a half thick with this movement module that is released in the C1 platform. Excellent, excellent sort of... Multi-layered dial with circular engraving, both inner and outer in a different color. Giant jump hour at 12, and then a single minutes hand that runs around, which is... angled up. It's like it sort of comes out from the pinion and then jogs upwards to clear.
Will I know exactly how to describe this. Take the old Manta GMT hand and turn it around so the arrow is pointing towards the center of the dial. That's right.
Everett That's what it is. That's right. And that's so that it can clear the raised minute ring. You've got detail on detail on detail. I mean, we could, Will and I could talk about what you're going to look at, and we will, but just go find a picture of this thing if you haven't already. Will, thoughts? I have thoughts.
Will Okay, so the first thing I thought when I looked at this watch, I'm talking about when I scrolled through social media, and I'm pretty sure it was on Instagram, or maybe it was the press release. I forget which one. But the first picture I saw of it, I remember when I was scrolling past, and I had a split second where I thought it was a link from... November 11th, 2019, so almost exactly six years ago, by the time we're recording this, a reposted link of my Gekkota W01 review. And that is not to say that this watch, the Christopher Ward, looks anything like this Gekkota watch. But what I'm saying is I saw it, and I wasn't as blown away, I think, as everybody else was when they saw the jump hour. I don't know. It just went back to me real quick. I was like, oh, I reviewed a watch that looked kind of like that a few years ago. Right. Now, with that said, that's out of the way. Because I think everybody's really going nuts about how amazingly novel this is. And while I think elements of that are true... the platform or the complication is not in its overall execution. Now, there's a couple of cool things that they have going on. The dial is, I think, really fantastic. I love the concentric rings in different patterns and, I guess, thicknesses is the way you'd call it. Just kind of going all the way out. Really great. I wouldn't be surprised if you looked up the ratios of these rings. There's some mathematical proportion to them. I think it's a very well-thought-out dial. The lume is awesome, especially the way that it lights up the hour at the top. I think that's really functional. Like I said, the W01 that I reviewed didn't have lume for shit. So, like I said, I'm not comparing. The other thing is the minute hand.
Everett Sapphire minute hand.
Will It looks, when you look at it far away, you're like, oh, yeah, it's just a, you know, tapered baton kind of minute hand thing, right? But then you look at it up close and it's clear and then there's white and then it's got the angle. It's very creative.
Everett I think it's like a three piece. I think it's actually three independent pieces. It's, it's Sapphire with a thread of loom in or applied to the Sapphire. And then like a, a steel arm that grips the staff of the Sapphire.
Will It's like a piece of jewelry. So I wonder, do you wonder if maybe the, the loom is that, uh, what the hell is it called? Um, Yes. If it's the 3D printed or ceramic, whatever they call it, loom. I think it's got to be. I think it's got to be. Right? I don't think it's painted unless there's a very deep recess where you can be, I don't want to say sloppy, but less diligent in your painting. You know, I wonder if maybe that's the case. But either way, I think it's an awesome watch. The only criticism that I really have is that this doesn't feel like something Christopher Ward is. I feel Christopher Ward has been trending very heavily towards tool watches. And even the Belcanto and some of the Moon phases, while they're not dive watches, especially the Belcanto, is a very modern kind of, I think, sporty-looking watch. You know, it's kind of targeting that, like... Oh, man, I'm having a total brain fart on the name. The really crazy-looking watches that cost a whole bunch of money. Hublot? Yeah, there it is. Wow, both of them. Those are the two that I was thinking of. I'm glad that we've been talking long enough that you knew what I meant. Wow, that was bad. I'm getting old. Anyway. It reminds me of targeting that without being too on the nose. Like it's, it's, it's very well done. It looks kind of aggressive in its styling while being kind of, I don't want to say vintage inspired because that's not it. I think it's just the font on the jumping hour font there. Yeah. But it just looks like a really bang and sports watch that I think is hitting. I'm not going to say hitting above its weight in terms of price point or anything like that for what they're, They're playing up to the competition with this. I think that's a better way to say it. They're like, hey, we're an underdog. Look at this cool shit we can design. We can come for you, too. Like, look at this. I think that's what it's about.
Everett You know, so it was last year that – or I guess earlier – this year or last year, maybe a year ago, that Fears, it was Fears is who I was talking about earlier. Fears released their Brunswick Jumping Hour. A little bit bigger, a little bit, I would say arguably a little bit sportier watch. And I think almost two times as much as this watch. So, and that's a year ago, an important year in terms of the watch market. So, Christopher Ward is doing a lot, as ever. They're doing a lot in presenting a great value. You may not love this watch, and I don't mean Will. I mean, you at home may not love this watch. With that said, undeniably cool. And I think that they're doing Christopher Ward things despite the fact... You know, I really... Will, it's interesting that you said, you know, they've been leaning heavily into sport. I think Christopher Ward has got parallel tracks right now or two diverging tracks, right, where they've got sort of their main line... Christopher Ward, and then they've got the York Jr. stuff. And I think this is York Jr. stuff. I think he's been given a lot of license. And so I think this, obviously the Belcanto, obviously, and maybe not just York Junior, but that sort of school of the Christopher Ward design house, right? You've got the 12. You've got these watches that are just different. And I'd put that there. I think Christopher Ward can maintain both of these. I don't want to say different brands, but different identities.
Will That's a good point. I think I'm going to backtrack on my statement a little bit and say that they've been maybe more heavily advertising their tool watches. Maybe that's the right way to put it. That's been like, hey, this is our bread and butter. Maybe that's where I'm going with that. Because I think you're right. And also looking back on Christopher Ward for some of the, you know, I don't want to say historical pieces that they have, but that's not the right word. I think when they were having a little bit of an identity crisis, you know, they went through a lot of rebranding with their logos. Sure. They had a lot of really great dress watches, you know, and the Trident, when that came out, I feel like that was kind of their first big sports watch that they had. So I, I think maybe you're right. I think maybe this is someone coming in to Christopher Ward, leaning in a little bit to their archives. There's, there's the word I was looking for at their archives and, and pulling some, some spirit out of that, that I think made this watch. I think it's a really great start. And I think that's where this watch is a little bit unsettled for me, is it feels like a good start. Like, this is the... I want to say the second draft of an amazing watch. It's missing something, and I can't figure out quite what it is. I don't know. Maybe it's the logo. You know, but people always like poking fun at their logo, and for good reason. But... I don't know. Maybe it's the lack of the logo. Maybe they should have put it down at six. Could have brought a little bit of symmetry there.
Everett For me, it's the case. The case on this is boring. That's the biggest difference when you look at the Brunswick versus this watch. It looks kind of like the C-Lander case. That's right. It's just kind of like a womp womp. You look at the Brunswick case compared to this, and you're like, oh, that's a really cool case.
Will I mean, Fears does fantastic cases. But so does Christopher Warren, right? Oh, they do, do.
Everett They can.
Will Yeah. I feel like they're... You know what it is? They're really locked into this light catcher case, which I understand. It's a great case. But I feel is a very... I think I just figured it out. That's what it is. This case doesn't fit because they use the same light catcher case for freaking everything. Yeah. You know, it needs a... You know what case would look fantastic on this? The Brunswick case? No, no, no. The watch we were just talking about. The Universal... Was it the Universal Geneve? No. Which watch had the really long lugs that I was just talking about? Hanhart. Oh, yeah. There it is. Yeah. That case, I think, would have worked really well on this watch.
Everett I think maybe just something with more intrigue, but yeah, I'm with you. Even the case, the mid case from the Vayner watch with those liar lugs or whatever, right? I mean, we've just got a very boring case here, which is fine. It's fine.
Will Yeah, yeah. It's a good start. I want to see where they go with it.
Everett Will, do you have other watches you want to talk about?
Will Yeah, let's see. I think we're running low on time, so I want to pick one more.
Everett Low-ish.
Will Low-ish. Ah, this is why I wanted to talk about it, or why I mentioned Universal Genev before, because I wanted to talk about a Universal Genev. So they have introduced a... All right, I'm just going to read the headline. Two one offsets of three Universal Geneve tribute to compact chronograph. The Nina returns. So this is a... I think what I'll call a pretty simple looking, you know, 369 chronograph layout. They put it on a bun strap because... I understand why they did because of the watch it's inspired from, but... You know, we don't like bun straps here. So I think it's really, really nice looking. I think it's especially that I love the kind of the more racing inspired versions, which are the black and the blue dials with the red seconds hand, I think goes better than it does with that gold and white dial case. The only downside to this, the real only downside is, let me find it. They cost $135,000. Jesus Christmas. Why? Why? You know what drives me nuts about watch brands? There is absolutely nothing in the world stopping you, and no one would be upset about it, If you made, so these three, right? They're doing three of them. If you made these, or it's two sets of three, so six. If you made these in precious metals and priced them at that price, $135,000. So you'd have white gold, yellow gold, and then it looks like these are maybe a rose gold, the other one. Shit, go for platinum. Who cares? And you can sell them for $135,000, but then release a stainless steel version for a couple thousand dollars, and then you continue making money for the rest of your life. I don't get it.
Everett You know, I think when it was announced that Breitling purchased Universal Geneva, it was like, what's going to happen? Are they going to screw it up? And I think the big concern, Will, was that Universal Geneva was going to be... bastardized like, you know, sort of the mystique of what the brand was. You know, I think maybe the concern was that it was going to be like, not that there's anything wrong with Nevada Gretchen, but maybe like a Nevada Gretchen or like, you know, they were just going to kind of like, but I don't know that anyone.
Will Turned into a social media brand.
Everett Yeah, this is fucking weird, man. This is one of the most beloved watch brands. They could do so much here, and they've turned this into a JLC or something.
Will I don't even know what you'd call this. It's a really strange approach. Like I said...
Everett This is a $150,000 Tag Heuer.
Will Yeah, do a couple precious metal sets for a whole bunch of money and then do stainless steel versions for a couple thousand dollars and make them... Shit, make them a limited edition too. Who cares? But then you make a couple million dollars more. I don't understand it. The venture capitalists have really jumped the shark, dude. They don't even know how to make money anymore.
Everett It just doesn't feel like anybody knows what this watch brand is supposed to be.
Will And for my part... You're telling me that C-suite executives don't know what their brand is all about?
Everett You're kidding.
Will Yeah, well... That is some unbelievable shit. I've never heard anything like that.
Everett I don't know who's in charge, but I'd say Fire Em. That's my take, Will. Hold on.
Will Give me one second. You're going to pull the plug? You're going to fire him? Who is in charge of right lane? George Kern. Fuck you. Fire him. Fire him. You're fired.
Everett Fire him. George Kern, you're fired.
Will I'm assuming you say it George, but it's G-E-O-R-G-E-S. I'm assuming he's some, yeah, George.
Everett George Kern. Or gorgeous. Gorgeous Kern.
Will That's what he is. Gorgeous George. Dude, hand the reins down, bud.
Everett Hamilton. You know, Hamilton every once in a while releases these wild watches, and I'm like, that's stupid. And that's what this watch is. But the difference is... I saw it, and I was like, that's stupid. And then I changed my mind. And actually, I maybe want it. So Hamilton released a new, they're calling this the futuristic Hamilton Ventura Edge skeleton. Like Edge, like the guy from YouTube. Don't ever do that again. So, oh, okay. Ventura, the Elvis watch. But then also, like, electric, battery. Anyway, this is an automatic watch. So get all that other stuff out of your head. We've got an H10 Movement, a.k.a. Powermatic 80. And unlike the Ventura you have in your head, which is, like, this, like, sort of swoopy. Swoopy? I like that word, swoopy. This isn't swoopy. This is angular as shit. Geometric, angular, weird. It's got an open work dial. If everything I'm saying sounds terrible to you, I'm explaining it right. But, but, but then, then you look at the watch and you're like, well, well, or at least if you're me, it's 51 millimeters by 47 millimeters. 13.8 thick, 50 meters of water resistance. It's a little bit, so the article I pulled up says, this is monochrome, it says, it's more spaceship than boomerang, which is accurate. It's edgy. It's open worked. It's skeleton, skeletonized. And age tension be skeletonized. And yet here we are. And, and furthermore, yet here I am wanting this watch. I want this watch. You can get this either in blasted steel or blasted PVD black steel. This thing's really cool, man. This thing's really fucking cool. And it's not even that expensive. I think it's like 2,200 US dollars.
Will Yeah. No, it's less than that. I think it's under two.
Everett Yeah, so they've got this at 1,995 euro. I'm not sure what it is. Oh, okay.
Will So there you go. I'll look up the conversion. As I'm going to get ready to give you $2,300. Okay, there you go. So, a little bit more. It's rad, though. So, I know exactly how the planning meeting for this watch went.
Everett $2,025, by the way. You can buy it right now. Hamilton website for $2,025. That's a really nice number, considering it's still $2,025.
Will Anyway, the planning meeting for this watch. So, what do you think if Elvis Presley was still alive and he designed his watch today using Fusion 360 having no idea what he's doing? Imagine. It's amazing. That's the planning meeting for this watch. It legit looks like someone was playing around with the tools in Fusion 360 to, like, cut away faces. And then this is what they came up with. And they were like, hey, let me triangle. And someone was like, wow, that's amazing. Come on, let's go.
Everett Wait. Are they in Austria? But hold on, wait. It's good, yes?
Will Yes, it is.
Everett I love it.
Will I don't understand how this watch could be good because I hate everything about it. Can you imagine if it wasn't huge?
Everett I think this watch needs to be big.
Will I agree. It has to be big. Slightly smaller than 51. Maybe like 49.
Everett It's only a 47 millimeter lug to lug. So I think you're going to get this.
Will Yeah, with 23 millimeter lugs. What a bunch of dicks.
Everett I think this thing's going to spread out on your wrist, but I don't think it's going to wear like... It's not going to wear like an Invicta. It's the title of your sex tape right there. Spread out on your wrist. If you go to the website, there's a video spread. There's a video. And it looks manageable. I know that's bizarre. I don't know why. I kind of want this watch. It's so dumb. You should buy it. I mean, I'm on a buying hiatus, but there's a world in which I buy this watch.
Will If I was going to buy this watch, do you want to know what I'd buy? The Dune version of it. Do they have a Dune version? It's the exact same watch, but it fits the universe. Like, Dune is all that angular bullshit. Yeah, yeah. This isn't.
Everett Fuck, man. I kind of want it. The Dune ones, that's the digital one, right? Yeah. But it looks... Is it the same case? It's similar, isn't it?
Will It's either almost the same or exactly the same. Different crown, for sure, which the crown on the Dune version looks way better. But it looks almost the same. Maybe a little bit more flourish on the Dune version.
Unknown Yeah.
Will And it's not skeletonized, obviously.
Everett Yeah, I think we talked about this when it came out. So it's digital, a little bit more money, funkier dial. I actually don't like the dude version. I don't like... There's something about... It's okay, we can all be wrong sometimes. I'm wrong all the time. There's something about this H10 Powermatic. I'm like open worked. I'm fucking digging. I think that there's a point in the movement where if the rotor is... On the bottom of the movement, you can see straight through the watch.
Will I've always wanted to stare at the top of my wrist.
Everett All right. All right. That's enough. Will, do you have any more watches that you're just dying to talk about?
Will No, that's it.
Everett In that case, other things, what do you got?
Will All right. I was trying to decide what I wanted to talk about. I went through a few things, and I settled on my 3D printer. I see.
Everett So I have a Bamboo Labs A1, which is... There's a chance that you've heard it over the course of this episode.
Will Yeah, very possible. We tried to filter out the noise, but it is about... six feet behind me so you may have heard it um but if you didn't it's very quiet uh but anyway um only if you didn't hear it it's very quiet i i'm i i think what i would call a serial hobbyist i like to get into a bunch of different things some for a short time some for a long time like photography was one of those things that i was like oh let me see you know where this goes and You know, eventually it went very well. Other things like, yeah, other things like, you know, woodworking, for example. I've never given up, but I do them once a year kind of thing. So 3D printing, I call it a hobby because I think there's two paths that you take with 3D printing. It's just, I want to just go online and find things and print them and do whatever with them, whatever it is. Home organization, toys, other functional things, whatever. The other path is you want to design things. And from there goes, you know, way out, right? People go and make print farms and then eventually they get into... full-fledged industrial design and they start making products. Um, and then you have, I think I'm on the other end of that spectrum where I design things that I need in my house or for a hobby. And then I use my 3d printer to quickly prototype it, refine it, and then use it. Um, so what I'll say is it's been like a life changing seems like too strong of a word, but it's pretty close. Um, There's been a lot of things that I've wanted to do, you know, organizing my photography stuff or organizing my painting stuff. And whatever I want, I 3D print it and I can make it to my exact specifications. What I want is what I get. I don't have to buy plastic crap on Amazon that I have to jerry-rig to fit. Right. It's just been absolutely awesome, and I'm not affiliated with Bamboo in any way, but the only reason I bought it was because I have a friend who owns a few 3D printers, and he said, if you just want something that you just plug in, you calibrate it once, and you go, and you're done, that's what you get. And he was right. So, I mean, if it's something you want to get into with FDM printing, which is not resin, I think is the best way I'll call it, Bamboo is probably a good way to go. I'm now getting into the rabbit hole of resin printing, but I haven't bought anything yet, so I'm not sure what to do.
Everett Shit, that's serious.
Will Part of the reason that I don't want to do it is because resin printing is toxic, for lack of a better term.
Everett Literally toxic.
Will Yeah, like my 3D printer behind me, I have an air filter between me and it. So I'm filtering out most of the stuff that's going in. I'm sure I'm inhaling something that they'll find out that causes cancer later. But anyway, they know that resin fumes can give you all kinds of issues. So you shouldn't have it around you, unventilated, all that kind of stuff. It's a very different environment for printing things.
Everett i feel like 3d printing is a rabbit hole that i'm a little scared to get into oh dude it's bad i almost just like it like i have to make decisions about this stuff right i'm mr rabbit hole as anybody who's listened to the show knows and so i'm almost like i just gotta i gotta let someone else print my
Will Well, you know, that's how it all starts. My buddy had a 3D printer and I was asking him like, hey, can you print this? Can you print that? And then eventually I was like, I want to print my own shit because I don't want to wait a week for him to print it.
Everett You know, I don't know if we've ever talked about this on the show, but you will. I hope you don't mind me saying you paint Warhammer. Yes. And I don't believe you play Warhammer. No, I just like painting. You paint Warhammer. I have to imagine there's a world in which people print Warhammer and then paint it. Yes, yes.
Will So there's a whole, I'll call it a subculture around it. And that's why I keep going down the resin rabbit hole is because if you want to print Warhammer figures, whether... ethically obtained or not, we'll say it that way, you want to get a resin printer to do it. If you do it on a printer like I have, you'll get very visible lines that reduce the detail and all that stuff, and it kind of has that look.
Everett Yeah, the 3D printed look.
Will Yeah, it's FDM printing where you can kind of lose the detail. Resin printing is very... precise and i guess that's the trade-off right is you uh you you gotta put it somewhere where you're not gonna fumigate yourself with whatever the hell that shit does to you yeah yeah well i got another thing will have you seen the show on netflix boots
Everett Let me look it up. Hold on. This is a show that's an adaptation of Greg Cope White's 2015 memoir, The Pink Marine, which is a book about a pre-don't ask, don't tell gay man who joins the Marines.
Will Yep. Okay.
Everett And the show came out. I didn't really hear much about it. And I just sort of. I've never heard of this. Tile swiping and found it and sort of took a flyer on it. You know, as someone, Will, you've been to basic training. I've been to basic training. Andrew has. I don't know if he went to basic or not. Can you go right to OCS, maybe? Well, we're RCC, so... Oh, yeah, okay. Long story short, we've all been in a training environment, and there's a lot of things that I think popular media gets wrong about that training environment. This show gets... gets it right in this really granular way. They get, like, the tedium right in this way that is really, for me, was really attractive. As a... former service member as a veteran. By the way, happy Veterans Day. Today is Veterans Day for anybody listening at home. So happy Veterans Day to you. Will, happy Veterans Day to you. Same to you, sir. You know, for... It just really appealed to me as a veteran the way that they got the training environment right. You know, there's this like... Sort of slap dick thing that happens in a training environment that they fucking nail. Also, there's a social context here, right? This is pre Don't Ask, Don't Tell. So like actually just illegal. Not Don't Ask, Don't Tell, but like actually just illegal.
Will What year does it take place in? Do you know?
Everett I want to say 88 is the year that this takes place.
Will That's close enough. Sorry, I just found it.
Everett Okay, there we go. Anyway, look, I'm not going to talk a lot about it because the story is the story, and it's a good story. The show was delightful. What I really wanted to say is the way that they discuss the basic, the initial entry training environment in this show or the way they portray it is... Almost spot on. I think it is perhaps one of the best portrayals. There's a few things that you're like, okay, that's not how that goes. But the overall image, this is the best initial entry training depiction I've seen in popular media.
Will So while you've been talking, I've been looking up the reviews and kind of what it's about. This looks amazing.
Everett It's fantastic.
Will I'm not going to because I need to wake up early tomorrow. But I want to watch this right now. Like, it looks fantastic. I'm going to watch this tomorrow night.
Everett You can binge it, yeah. It's pretty quick, and it's really good. And it deals with the subject matter that I'm, like, I don't have an ability to speak with any sort of intelligence on some of the social subject matter here, but the military subject matter, they nail it. The way they toss the bunks, I'm like, that's exactly how this goes. It's exactly how this goes. It's really good. So that's my other thing. It's Boots. It's on Netflix. It's phenomenal. It gets a little cheesy towards the very end. I'm just going to spoil this. The ending, I didn't love it. I loved everything else, though.
Will I'm not going to call this another other thing, but... I want to talk about one of the most diabolical things that one of my drill sergeants ever did to me. So, in our barracks, one of the rules was the drill sergeants would go down at chow, at dinner, and they would pull on every combination lock. And if your lock was undone, they would toss your locker.
Everett Your locker got tossed, yep.
Will So... my locker got tossed one night and I was like, Oh my God, you know, I forgot to, to lock it. You know, definitely do that next time. So I put all my shit back the way that, you know, it is right. You know, you feel like enough of an idiot when that happens to you. Um, so then two nights later, my locker gets tossed again and I'm like, no fucking way. Like I know I pull it down before I go because I don't want my locker to get tossed again. Um, So I'm like, man, all right. I got this. I'll triple check it. I'll have my battle buddy check it, too. So I do that. And then three nights later, my locker gets tossed again. And I'm like, there's no way. And I go to my battle buddy. His name is Adam. And I was like, you checked it, right? And he was like, yeah, you were right there. So I was like, okay. something's not right like i need a new lock so i go to the the drill sergeant on sunday and i was like my locker's been tossed three four times at this point um you know i i think i need to go get a new lock because some i think something's wrong with it and i don't want my locker to get tossed every day until i you know we get leave and i can go get one and he was like No. So we go back and no. Four days later, it gets tossed again. I'm like, there's no way. So I go to the drill sergeant again and I'm like, listen. I didn't say listen, but I was like, there's no way that this is happening. Like my battle buddy's checking. He's like, yeah, you know, like he's not in his head. And my drill sergeant comes up to me and he goes, we know the combination to your lock. We've been fucking with you. Yeah. I almost started crying because I was like. I thought I was going fucking insane. That's what the training environment does, man. Oh, it was diabolical. It was one of the most fucked up things that anybody could ever do where you're just like, what? You had the combination. Like, I thought I was going nuts.
Everett Yeah, it's a perfect. I mean, that is like you can't escape it. Like you can't be. That's the thing. You want to be good enough to escape it, but you cannot be good enough to escape it.
Will yeah you have that is the training environment yeah you have to be aware but not um separated i think it's the way the best way to put it everybody if you don't if you don't give a fuck like you're not going to get anywhere with it that's not what helps you you you almost need to be fucked with a little bit yeah that's right well well here we are it's late for you what is it almost 11 o'clock for you right Yeah, 1040. That's almost 11. Almost.
Everett Hey, this was fun. I'm glad we did this.
Will Yeah, me too. I feel like I haven't talked shop like this in a little while. It's always good to do it.
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