Orient Star Starting to Look Grand (350)

Published on Tue, 15 Jul 2025 22:15:23 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss various new watch releases and other topics while sharing drinks. They start by tasting a Peerless Distilling Company bourbon while reviewing watches like the Perrin Regia Eclipse collection, a Timex World Time reissue, and new Orient Star models. The hosts provide detailed analysis of case dimensions, movements, and design elements while debating pricing and value propositions of the different watches.

Beyond watches, they share personal experiences including Andrew's new Blackstone griddle purchase and Everett's story about replacing his New Balance 990 sneakers. The casual conversation flows between technical watch details and lifestyle topics, with both hosts offering candid opinions on the watches discussed. Throughout the episode, they maintain their characteristic informal style while providing knowledgeable commentary on both mainstream and boutique watch brands.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm okay. I'm okay. I just rubbed my eye like it was a little itchy and then it got worse. Oh, that's perfect.
Andrew I love those like I don't even know what you'd call that, like that itch spreading scratch.
Everett Yeah, that's what happened. So that just happened.
Andrew That's fun.
Everett Yeah, and then also I've just been like a little bit like subdued energy. So, I mean, we'll see. I don't have specific complaints. My complaints are more general.
Andrew You know, generally speaking, my knees hurt, my back hurts. No, nothing that specific. I don't have super clean underwear right now. No, but I'm okay. Andrew, how are you? I'm good. I'm worn out. I've had a long couple weeks and it's been super hot, which, you know, can be problematic. But I sleep during the day because I work at night. And sleeping during the day when it is hot is just... Really unpleasant. You just wake up real sweaty. Because you're hot. And then you don't get to go back to sleep because you're wet and hot. It's not great. Other than that, you know, just chugging on along. I've been watching, I'm like two days behind in the Tour de France, and that's what I'm watching. It's actually still running downstairs right now.
Everett Okay.
Andrew I finished, so it's Tuesday. I finished Sunday's stage earlier today, and that was a fantastic stage to watch. Like kind of heartbreaking at the end, but I'm really pretty good.
Everett Damn. You know, I have to be honest. I was sort of like into the Tour de France for a while. And then, like, I didn't even know it was going until 45 seconds ago. That's July. Well, fair enough. I don't know. I didn't know that it was in July. Like, that's my point. Like, I just, like, I think, you know, the whole, like, doping scandal and then it's like, I just don't really care.
Andrew Yeah, there was a doping scandal, but right now there's a lot of really, really good cyclists.
Everett Isn't there always really good cyclists?
Andrew Who aren't doping. And there's just exciting up-and-comers kind of really nicely contrasted to well-established. and this is an exciting tour so far.
Everett Okay. Okay. So we are drinking tonight a bourbon out of Kentucky. This is a Peerless Distilling Company double oak bourbon, which comes in at a 54% or 108 proof. It is a cask strength. not chill filtered, sweet mash bourbon. And some people don't quite understand that terminology. Sweet mash means they don't reuse any of the mash in between batches. So it's a more expensive process, but they start each batch anew. With a sour mash, they leave some of the old mash, and it sort of...
Andrew Gets a little funky.
Everett That's right. There's like an infinity mash type of deal. So with a sweet mash, it's a more expensive process, probably a more cleaner, more consistent distillate. But also they've got a really low entry proof. on Pureless. So their entry proof is about 108, which means their cask strength comes out at about 108. It varies, but it's an interesting bourbon. I'm a big fan of these guys. They're kind of expensive.
Andrew I'm going to let it breathe for a minute.
Everett I'm a big fan of Pureless, though. Kentucky. Yeah. I think that's fun. Yeah, they do it right. I think that's fun. And they are, so I want to say that they're, yeah, DSP KY50. They've got a very, very old DSP.
Andrew Yeah. Oh, I was wearing a 50 DSP shirt earlier. Different company though. Higher than 50 is my guess. Much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I actually don't remember. It's four digits, though.
Everett Yeah, that's right. So Peerless, you know, it's like a zombie brand as far as these things go, right? It was sort of brought back from the dead.
Andrew And now they make whiskey.
Everett And, well, they made whiskey before.
Andrew And now they do again. And now they do again. So we're going to talk about whiskey more at the front of the show in hopes that maybe brands will start sending us whiskey. Wouldn't that be great? We started the show, this podcast endeavor, hoping brands would just send us free watches that, you know, Rolex would be like, man, these guys, these guys, let's get them a couple. We've lowered our expectations. Yeah. So now we're to just like, if Jack Daniels floats us like a couple old number sevens, like we're good.
Everett This episode was brought to you by Head & Hill. Maybe not. I mean, it could happen. Buffalo Trace. 40 and 20, the Buffalo Trace podcast. Sorry, Will.
Andrew I think he'd understand.
Everett We are here to talk about watches, though. We are. Did you see the Time and Tide just started a podcast? Oh, no, I didn't see that. Oh, what's it called? Have you listened to it?
Andrew I have not. They have episode one just recorded. Or just released, excuse me. A Matter of Time. Oh. They just started a podcast. As in it was just a matter of time.
Everett Yeah. Well, all right. They're more clever than we are. I still think 40 and 20 is... It's perhaps too clever.
Andrew It's way better in my head than it was. It's perhaps too clever. We just had high expectations of the people that would be joining us in one of our homes, drinking beer and whiskey. Unrealistically high expectations. Yeah. That's how we think of ourselves as the type of people who would attract intelligent company. Do you want to get us started? Let's. I want to start with a brand called Perrin. Perrin has a new Regia Eclipse collection. And these are... are good they're really good so italian design german engineering this is a brand that they're calling it like gothic design uh and i i I see it, but I don't exactly agree with it. Right. It's kind of like a postmodern meets gothic design with like kind of inspired shapes in these in these markers. But. I don't get down with it. So what we have here is three varieties in this 39 millimeter case. It's 12.8 thick with a 45.3 lug to lug. 200 meters of water resistance, sapphire crystal, Sellita SW200 movement. Three editions. There is a... And we're going to talk about a couple watches in this kind of ilk. This is a very... stripped down kind of field-esque feeling watch. Just markers, no numerals. Coming in three colorways. All steel with a steel bezel insert with just a pip at the 12 o'clock and then a blank bezel otherwise. Black dial, white markers. And I still, I'm kind of, I'm undecided on the markers. I like the watch as a whole, but I'm undecided as the markers. Iteration number two is steel with a black... bezel insert and then iteration number three is an all dlc black uh i really like the steel with the black uh bezel insert uh they're coming on a um did you call this ribbed i don't think ribbed is quite right to describe this fkm rubber strap it's like an untapered uh
Everett It's like a faux flat link.
Andrew Yeah, like a faux flat link, FKM rubber strap. It looks, I think if it were tapered, I'd like it more as it stands. I think it's probably good enough. And they're coming in at 750 bucks for the solar and lunar eclipse, which are the steel case and are Swiss francs and 777 Swiss francs for the all DLC. And like I said, I'm kind of, I'm kinda torn about how I feel about the markers, but the rest of the case I'm really down with. If you look at the profile view of these lugs, there's almost like a, like a, curvature like an indentation into them like a sideways claw foot but top down you're not seeing it like almost like reverse twisted uh i really like this k shape crown shape is good handsets good i'm down with these i really like them at a thousand bucks like i'm in
Everett Yeah, no, I think these are beautiful. I mean, I think it's really sort of, it maintains the design language we've seen from Perrin in the past. I gotta be honest, I'm not a huge fan of the unadorned bezel. It kind of gives it that pilot-y feel.
Andrew What I really like, if you look at the profile of the bezel, we have two discreet... texture designs on them. The top half of the bezel is kind of a horizontal ringed knurling, and then a coin-edged knurling on the bottom half of the bezel, which is just cool textural differentiation along this entire case, with great beveling on the lugs. It's a textural delight.
Everett Yeah, no, I think that's right. And, you know, Time and Tide has said, they've said gothic. I don't see that Perrin themselves is suggesting this is gothic, although they are making an allusion to a... to a Transylvanian, uh, an ancient Transylvanian calendar parent being a Transylvanian company, a Romanian company. Um, I, this is, I, I think when time and tide says Gothic, I think they mean Gothic and like, like a black way, the 1990s as opposed to the like Dracula's castle.
Andrew When you look at the markers, I kind of get that like Gothic round porthole window, uh, like castle window. What are those like tall Archer windows called? Um, It doesn't matter. But you kind of get that sense, but because they're fat and just a little weird, it's an interesting... It created maybe a juxtaposition in my head that wasn't intended. Yeah, fair enough.
Everett I mean, I think this watch is cool. I think the price is really good. I think it's beautiful. It's a fully Swiss-made watch. Oh, and a 12 o'clock date window. Parent's kind of a weird company, man. They like... leaning into their oh yeah that is that the 12 o'clock date window is interesting i mean leaning into their transylvanian heritage you know they've done like vampire teeth this is maybe a little more straightforward maybe a little for me too straightforward and that that sterile bezel i don't know maybe just not my thing it is nice you do have a pip on it so if you were wanting to keep a second time zone or something, you could theoretically do that, but at what cost? Anyway, it's fun. It's a beautiful watch. And their bezel, their finishing on their bezel is radical. It's good. And I mean that in a good way, yeah. I guess that means I have to pick a watch to talk about, huh? You do. Timex. Timex, Timex, Timex, Timex. Timex released a reissue this week, or maybe even just in the last couple of days, that kind of caught me off guard. And I was like, whoa. Like that. I was like, whoa.
Andrew I heard it from across the street.
Everett So this is a, they're releasing this under the Q Timex line. But what this is is a reissue of a 1972 World Time watch that was sort of a unique design. It is a big, like almost a square tonneau cased watch that's got sort of a harsh angle into the lugs. And it's got this big, this big, robust world time bezel. And the world time bezel has this very interesting organization. It's symmetrical. And what they've done is they've grouped cities together. Based on their distance from GMT, but in opposite directions. So you've got, you know, Rome and Honolulu and Moscow and Anchorage and Karachi and San Francisco. So Karachi being a plus.
Andrew It's crazy that Moscow and Anchorage are equal directions. Like, equidistant from GMT.
Everett Okay, well, so, like, here's the deal. So, when they came out with this watch in 1972, I think that this was accurate-ish. But today, it is not. For one, they've got their zero as London, but London and GMT are an hour apart. They weren't in 1972. And many of these places have changed time zones anyway. It's not accurate. It's not accurate. It's not an accurate world time in 2025. And that maybe makes it more fun. It maybe makes it more fun. It's this really beautiful... Kind of weird. We've got two dials. We've got a... I'm going to call that cream or brown, like sort of a tan. I think tan is best. And then it's also got a navy dial. Both of these are tuxedo. The cream has a black ring, and the navy has a cream ring. And they sit under this kind of like... matte gray or black bezel. It's just a really cool and interesting watch. And it's 200 bucks.
Andrew This really looks like grandpa's watch. Both colorways. Like this is the watch that grandpa had continues to wear.
Everett It's so cool. And it's a faithful reproduction of the 1972. um it's gonna wear big this is a 39 millimeter it is it is a big square absolutely yeah it's gonna be big only 50 meters of water resistance quick release leather yeah i mean it's a flyer watch it it's just interesting it's very interesting i like it a lot i do too the the uh
Andrew Little bit of indentations around the crown that make it almost like a gear, like good grippy gear chunks on it.
Everett It's bi-directional, right? It is bi-directional. Yep, it's a friction bezel. Yeah, it's just fun. It's 200 bucks. It's a cute IMAX. It's got a big fat domed crystal on it. Yeah, dude, it's cool. They've got a leather strap with source leather, the SB Foot Tanning Company. This thing's really cool.
Andrew Mexico is a time zone into itself. I think it's Mexico City. That would make sense. But one of them is plus Marshall and minus Island. I don't know what that is.
Everett I don't know what that is. Yeah, because the rest of them are... Yeah, that's weird.
Andrew Is that one?
Everett Hong Kong, Buenos Aires, Tokyo, Rio de Janeiro.
Andrew It's also not exactly opposite.
Everett Sydney Azores, Marshall Island. Yeah. It's funny. Yeah, I don't know. It's funny. I think that there's maybe some... um, historic. There's maybe some stuff going on here that we don't have context for.
Unknown Good enough for me.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew It's cool.
Unknown I have a fun one.
Andrew Caste in time. is paired up with Time and Tide Discovery Studios for a watch case. And this company has done a fun watch travel case before in the way of a few donut varieties. The current one is a cheeseburger complete with fabric American cheese hanging over the sides. And it's just fun. I don't care about the construction of it. I don't care about the materials used. These are 40 bucks. And they are fun as hell. Cheeseburger watch case. No more socks to carry your watches around in your luggage.
Everett Yeah, it's fun. Bring some cheeseburgers. That's fun, and the zipper is like... Is the meat. Yeah, it's the patty. Yeah, that's pretty fun. It's clever. It's well done, I would say.
Andrew Yeah, sesame seed bun. It does, from the top, look a little bit more like a bagel burger, which is, you know... Well, because, yeah, it's got a hole. Whatever. I mean, you could fill that in. I've never had a burger on a bagel. I have.
Unknown Have you?
Everett Yeah. Yeah, I think in order to do a good burger on a bagel, you've got to have a very fresh bagel, and it's got to be fried. um, like in butter. So you cut it in half and fry it. Yeah. And it's, it's a stiff bun, right? It's not like brioche. So you've got to have some jaw strength. Well, and, and you've got to have like, it's gotta be a fairly burger that's going to hold up to the, to the bagel as well. Yeah.
Andrew I think one of the best burgers I ever had was at, uh, capital ale house in, uh, Richmond, Virginia. Had a bar that has a sheet of, it's like one of the ice veins in the middle of their bar. So you put your beer down on the sheet of ice. Oh yeah, I like that. It was a lamb burger on a croissant. Holy shit. Nice. It was fantastic. I still think about that burger. Like would go to Richmond just for that burger again.
Everett On a croissant. What was the name of that place? Capital Ale House.
Andrew Yeah, you know what?
Everett I've been there, yeah.
Andrew For sure I have. Because you were at Fort Lee too.
Everett Yeah, that's right. I don't think I had that burger though.
Andrew I ate it down in the basement where the pool tables and dartboards were.
Everett and that i really liked that bar top it was like a big copper bar top with a ice it's huge i remember being like a 70 foot bar and they'd come across it like with like they'd like zambonia like hand zambonia yeah yeah that was cool it was a good place yeah it definitely went there I heard you were talking about it, and I was like, sounds familiar.
Andrew And that's not like a super novel thing. That's a fairly common amenity. I don't know.
Everett I've been to a lot of bars, and I think it's the only one I've ever seen. Yeah. I don't think it's that common, I guess is my point. But it is a thing. Fair enough. That's true. It is a thing. To say no? Are we going to say, or is it to? I think it's to say no. To say no? To say no. Not to say no. I'm going to say Tucson-O. Tucson-O.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Oh, I think that was it.
Andrew I think that emphasis was right.
Everett Tucson-O. It's Swedish, okay? So if you're Swedish and you're listening and you're like, God, these fucking assholes.
Andrew I'm sorry.
Everett It's probably York. Tucson-O. Tucson-O has their shellback. It's just, frankly, Tucson-O doesn't have watches that I'm like, oh, God, I got to have that. Or at least until now. Because Tucson-O has released... I think this is a dress watch, right? Yes, absolutely. They're calling this the Super Vintage Series, and it is Toussaint's take on a dress watch. It's actually... three watches it's three watches one of them is red and orange one of them is sort of brown and cream and the other is key lime pie colored yes uh and golly man um Okay, so what to say? These are oval.
Andrew They call it mojito, but key lime pie is more appropriate. Oh, mojito. I like that too, though. No, mojito is like, you get a little bit richer green and mint than in this.
Everett These are oval, and they've got sort of an italic. The bezel on these has a bit of an italic. italicization to it, which is to say it's thinner at the 0 and 180 or the 12 and 6 and thicker at 3 and 9. It kind of reminds me of the crash. It's warped. It's uniform, but not all at once.
Andrew It is a 30...
Everett So it's a double curved stainless steel. The article I'm looking at compares it to the Cartier Benoit, which I don't know what that looks like. I'll have to look it up. But it's a 34 and a half millimeter wide, 40 and a half lug to lug and eight seven thick. And it is absolutely stunning.
Unknown Five nine. That's it.
Everett It is very, it is very, I think, Andrew, can we say whimsical? I think whimsical is the perfect way to describe it. It's got a bit of like a late 70s, early 80s vibe with the fonts. And the colorways also. Oh my goodness. What a delicious... Like this red is what you would wear to the discotheque. That's right. So yeah, they've got the Negroni dial, the Mojito dial, and the Espresso Martini dial, which is perfect. Um... These are really sort of bombastic. It's got an edit 7001, which is a very, very, very nice manual wind movement. These are just terrific, Andrew. I don't even know. I'm having a hard time talking about this watch.
Andrew The crown on this, too, the way the spiraling is on it, it almost looks like the crown is not at the 3 o'clock. It's a little south of the 3 o'clock just because of the way it twists away. But it's not. It's very much flush and at the 3 o'clock. This double curve on... Where's this profile view? I want to look at the profile of the case again.
Unknown Yeah, up towards the top.
Andrew It's just fantastic. The case, it's hooded lugs, but the case extends. Actually, not hooded lugs. They're hidden lugs. Yeah, yeah, hidden. That extends way beyond the strap, like probably a millimeter and a half, maybe even two millimeters beyond where the strap connects. So it just sucks in and hides it. Yeah. This is really lovely. The profile of this case is fantastic. Really, really high polish on the outsides of the case. It gives everything about it, the design, the polish on it, the colorways, makes it seem like it's not a $1,000 watch. Yeah, these are a thousand bucks. This looks like, you know, this could be mistaken for and not like by a non-watch person as a Cartier or as a, you know, a true luxury watch. Just the design on this is fantastic, like whimsical, but really elegantly done. Yeah, this is killer.
Everett Yeah, no, I mean, I don't even... Yeah, no, this is a really, really... And super modern all at once. I almost think that it's not expensive enough. Yeah, I mean, because I think at $1,000, people who ought to have this watch are going to pass it by. Poo-poo it? Yeah, I mean, this is just... I mean, this is stunning. Mm-hmm. This is an incredibly, this is a stunning watch. Small seconds, great textures. The texture, the way they've applied the color on the green. Yeah, it's like almost a sunburst on top of a like a granulated.
Andrew But it's super supple. It almost looks like... Creamy. Like you're going to cut into a cheesecake the way that they've applied that really delicate... It is just excellent.
Everett This is an excellent release. They call it skin texture on the red. I wish they didn't do that.
Andrew Orange skin. I still don't... You don't like the skin. Orange skin. Yeah, because it's orange and skin textured.
Everett Yeah, these are really excellent. And the pad printing on these is very nice. How do you feel about the font of the super vintage? I like it. I think it's a lot of fun, Andrew. It is an adventurous font. I would say that all of these fonts are bold. I like them. I think they've done a good job with them.
Andrew The super vintage reminds me of Dazed and Confused.
Everett A little bit. Or, you know, I said sort of late 70s, 80s. It sort of gives me like a bit of like Fraggle Rock vibe. Yeah. Yeah. Which I guess maybe is the same. Dazed and Confused, Fraggle Rock. Really high polished silver hands on these. Yeah. And the hands are excellent. They're excellent. Yeah. I'm really taken back by this release.
Andrew Yeah, this is good. And under $1,000. Yeah, $9.99. I have another, maybe less fun, but another fun one. IFL Watches has done a release on the Bulova Super Seville platform with the Honeycomb Limited Edition. And these are... Gorgeous.
Everett Yeah, I saw these a couple weeks ago, and I thought, this is fun, and it didn't quite make the show. I'm glad it made it.
Andrew Yeah, I remember seeing it when it came out, and I held this tab. It's just been hanging out, and I was scrolling through tabs today. I was like, oh, I've got to bring that down to the bottom. I'm going to use that. So IFL Watches does hand-painted dials on somebody else's platform, resales them. Sales? Resale? Resales?
Everett Then sells? Yeah.
Andrew This is a silver base honeycomb pattern with a few yellow and brown kind of golden honeycomb filled in. A little bee as the balance on the second hand and they're just gorgeous. Yeah, I think this is maybe one of my favorite IFL watches. And again, we're talking like handmade craftsmanship. 1,200 bucks. Not even 1,200 bucks. Yeah, 1,200 bucks. 1,200 euros. So $80.
Everett You know, I really like the Super Seville.
Andrew I like it enough that I could get one.
Everett with the precisionist movement and it's just such a great, it's a really great TV dial and, or TV case with, and with that, that crystal that, I mean, it's just a terrific, it's a really good watch. Um, I've got a few little things that I would grumble about or feel like I could grumble about, but I have a hard time being too serious about them at the price of this thing. And I'm with you, Andrew. This is a fun, this is a really fun release.
Unknown I like the blue Super Seville.
Andrew Have you seen this blue one?
Everett Let's see. Oh, yeah. That's good. That's a good blue. I really like the Precisionist logo. That watch feels to me like an old watch. It feels to me like an 80s or 90s release.
Andrew I think it's because of that texture of the bezel, right? You've got this square-ish, kind of tonneau-y, but not exactly case. That textured, fluted bezel. Yeah, I like these a lot. And the Precisionist logo is just fantastic.
Everett Yeah, cool watch.
Unknown Great size on the SuperSuite. Yeah, I don't know why I don't have one of these.
Andrew I know why I don't have the Honeybee, because they've just come out. And I don't... I only want to pay $1,100 for it.
Everett Yeah, well... I don't know what platform would be better, though. Yeah, well, you... I think you've done a really good job of selling it because you paid that money for all the reasons you've said already because it's a piece of art.
Andrew Yeah, it's a hand-painted dial on an already $500 watch, so you're really getting a steal on the dial. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. I mean, yeah. Benris. Benris.
Andrew Oh, you fucker.
Everett The zombie brand Benris has just re-released or just... revised revived revived revised it's type 1 mil spec 39 and a half and a half millimeters uh i heard someone in the wild say 55 recently and i was like yes yes yes um Yeah, so this is a watch that they brought back in 2020. And they've just continued to refine this. So still have a sandblast finish. These are military watches. And in particular... They're the origin of mil-spec. These are, you know, the mil-spec. These are really intended to be very focused military specification watches, which means sandblasted, low lume, high visibility. We've got a bidirectional bezel. We've got triangle lume at 12 o'clock. Um, this is a type one case, which means asymmetrical, um, to 39 and a half. We've got a screw down case back, um, a mill W 5 0 7 1 7, uh, serial number, yada, yada, yada. Um, Yeah, and I think what they've done here is they've lowered, I'm having trouble finding the number, but they've got this down to 14.4, and I say they've got this down to, it's a big watch, okay? So even though it's 39.5, it's a big, chunky watch, but we've got a 365 meters of water resistance on this guy. So a serious... a serious water resistance, serious watch. We've got big case guard, or crown guards, double dome sapphire, double anti-reflection. Big old bitch of a crown. Big old bitch of a, you know, this is just a big GFY watch. Okay. So, at a $28.92 in here, these are... 1590 francs, which is going to come out to 1700, 1800 dollars. Benris is a zombie brand, which is fine. I think you're getting... I think you're getting a really cool heritage brand here. You know, obviously Benris being one of the original American companies playing in a military game.
Andrew I wish they could bring their pricing down 500 bucks and then do a titanium version at this price point.
Everett Yeah, well... I mean, I think that they really ought to be refining these in terms of dimensions. I think the 14 and a half, I'm okay with everything about this watch price-wise. Obviously, cheaper is better, right? But I think the thing that gets me the most like... I wonder where they're losing size because you should... Who's buying this?
Andrew I would buy one of these at $500 less.
Everett Okay, well, maybe that's a fair, you know, they're going to have to at some point, Benris is going to have to really decide who their customer is. And I think that there's some appeal to Benris that... you could compare to the appeal of Doxa maybe early on in the Rick Murray Doxa days. Doxa is obviously its own thing.
Andrew It's a wholly different thing, but we're still in that tool watch vintage, or not vintage, but heritage brand. Yes.
Everett Kind of the OG of its... And you know, Benris has been back for five or six years now. I just think it's a little bit of a... I don't want to say failure to launch, but maybe a little bit of a slow launch here. I think that... For me, Benris hasn't quite found their identity, their modern identity yet.
Andrew Yeah, because at this point, at that price point, you don't really have anything you're directly competing with for the $2,000 mil spec watch. I mean, kind of like Marathon? Yeah. But Marathon watches are... Not this. They're not this. They're not Heritage. They're not Heritage. They're quartz watches by and large. You know, you have the... Well, they're just modern watches.
Everett They're modern supply watches. These are Heritage re-releases.
Andrew And, you know, at this price point, you're north of Marathon's dive watches. You're... I just... I don't know... That's what I struggle with. That's why I say, I think, I think this in titanium at 2000 bucks, it'd be cool. I'm all about it. Uh, this in steel at like 1200 bucks. I'm all about it. Cause that makes sense, right? Then you're just like a little up market from, uh, Hamilton kind of military watches. You're a little up market from sort of all the military watches, which tend to fall a couple hundred bucks around the thousand dollar mark. Uh, This one just feels a little bit north for me.
Everett What's next?
Andrew I wasn't prepared.
Everett It's like you've forgotten what we're doing here. Have you drank all of your whiskey?
Andrew Oh, I did just take a little pour because I didn't want it to get on top of me. I think you poured twice as much as I did. I did not. Absolutely not. I poured just to like where it started to.
Everett Yep, I did. Okay. So this is the double oak. And man, there's a lot of oak there.
Andrew That's like all I got. It's pretty oaky. Okay, so Hidden New York and G-Shock with a DW 5600 collaboration. I don't give a shit about Hidden NY as a fashion brand doing cool collaborations. I don't really know anything about them. They kind of seemingly have put their fingers in all manner of different brands to do collaborations. Is this the same brand that we were like, what the fuck is hidden? Perhaps. Was it the sailboat watch? No, that was different. Okay. I do like this version of the 5600. So it is an all white 5600 green fonts on the case strap and bezel with matte black bull bars. I really dig this color variety. But it's a 5600 and they want a thousand bucks.
Everett Yeah, wait, I don't understand. Why is this $1,000? Oh, no, $170. Okay.
Andrew Might as well be $1,000. A 5600 is between $50 and $100 for white with green font and bull bars. Yeah, I mean, yeah.
Everett I do feel like 5600 collabs are a dime a dozen. They're all like. They're all 200 bucks. And there's like 8 billion of them.
Andrew This is among my favorites.
Everett I like the colors. I'm with you on the colors. This is pretty.
Andrew Like kind of a minty green. Yeah, no, it's gorgeous.
Everett I don't know what hidden is and I'm not buying it.
Unknown I don't know me either, but I like it.
Everett What have you got? I would like to talk about the company Bulova. Andrew, have you tried one of these snorkels on? No. So these things are freaking rad, dude. So Bulova came out with their snorkels. This is a quartz resin watch. They came out with these last year, I believe. Where did you try one on? Fred Meyer, of all places. And I was like, I almost bought it. And then I realized that it was... retail and they cost much less than retail if you make some effort and we've talked about the snorkel we talked about them when they were when they came out yeah on the show we did so bull of a released a new colorway of the snorkel and i freaking love it man this is very you colorway so they're calling this the coral but hold on it looks like 1996 so 90s uh paper cup
Andrew Or the Portland Airport carpet.
Everett That's the colors.
Andrew Yeah. Which is also the colorway of the old PDX carpet.
Everett This is a terrific. So it's white case. I love it. I'm a sucker for white case, by the way. Great green teal. bezel and dial a little bit of pink on the zero to 15 on the bezel purple strap i love this it's just i don't think it's pink i think it's an under saturated red okay or or even yeah fine right because it's not pink exactly i mean whatever what is is oh i feel i feel like i'm not gonna challenge you it's kind of peachy on this You know, peach to me suggests a yellow that isn't there. I think it's pink. And that's fine. Undersaturated red maybe. Or maybe like if you took red and put a little white into it. It's not pink though. That's the thing. He almost agreed with me and then he got pissed.
Andrew Because it's not. I understand what you're trying to do there. It's just not.
Everett I do like that you're almost like, yeah, you dickhead.
Andrew anyway it's just a new color way of the snorkel what color is that pillow over your left shoulder I don't know it's really god damn close to this color and that sure shit isn't pink faded red perhaps perhaps but it's not pink next it's not pink That's a hill I'm ready to die on. I don't know why. Carry on. Orient Star with two new. Yeah, these are cool. With two new dials, one being limited. And it's actually a bummer the way they decided to do it. The limited edition is far superior than their new catalog variety. So their limited edition. Oh, these are the Orient Star M34 F8 date watches. These are not something that I've like hit my radar. But for like a couple times. And I didn't really care about them. But seeing this black one, it changed my mind. So these are 40 millimeter case, 12.9 thick, sapphire crystal, the Orient Star F8N64 in-house movement, 21.6... Beats, 60-hour power reserve, 22 joules, 100 meters of water resistance, power reserve indicator at the 12 o'clock. And these are a power reserve indicator that I'm typically not a fan of power reserve indicator executions. These are really subtle and really well integrated into the dial so that... they're not, they're a part of the dial and they're legible, but they're not an accent on the dial. Does that make sense? It does make sense. Okay. Two dials. First being the limited edition and they're calling it, uh, what are they calling it? Just limited edition. Uh, it is a black dial meant to, uh, so Orient Star does a lot of, uh, space, uh, astrological themes in their dial designs. This is meant to be a meteor shower. Uh, that's not what I saw when I first looked at it. When I first saw this, I was like, that's the first moment of the millennium Falcon hitting hyperdrive. Yeah, that's right. Like the, the first second of that shot is just frozen as everything, as the lights just kind of stretching out and it's, Uniform but asymmetric across the dial. And it's just absolutely gorgeous. And when you get really close into this dial, the markers are beautiful. Radial design on this power reserve indicator. Good handset. Three o'clock date window that's subtle but still really legible. I love it. And then... There's the Green Dial, which is their permanent catalog edition. And this is meant to be kind of the waning light skyline with some clouds. Like, I don't see it. I don't see the inspiration in it. It looks more dragon scaly or fish scaly to me. Hmm. The color is good. The texture is a miss for me. Bracelets look good on these.
Everett Yeah, I don't know. You know, I remember when I first came across Orient Star and I was like, oh, wow, this is like Grand Seiko. And then I was quickly like, oh, no, it's not. It's very much not, yeah. It's not. In some really important ways. Well, 2017... seiko and orient merged and it does seem like for what it's worth i i don't i don't i won't profess to know anything about control of these companies or what's affecting it what but it does seem to me like Orient is pushing Orient Star in sort of that direction. I got to tell you, looking at this watch, I'm not seeing a $3,000 watch.
Andrew I'm not even a little bit. I'm seeing like perhaps a $1,200, $1,500 watch. None of it says $3,000 to me. I'm...
Everett yeah i'm not seeing it and and perhaps dial technology we've got an in-house the f8 movement which they're happy with and i don't have any reason not to be plus 15 minus five it's got good accuracy And we've got some fitment, like I would say some pretty like obvious fitment issues between the case and the end link. You know, I don't know, Andrew, I haven't touched one of these. The markers and the dial and the handsets look beautiful. No doubt about it.
Andrew The head of the case finishing fantastic.
Everett Terrific. Um, it's a 13 millimeter thick sports watch, which I mean, I guess if we're, if Grant Seiko is the target, then they're doing fine there. But I'm just, I'm kind of unimpressed here. I don't, I don't know what we're doing.
Andrew Orient. We do 80 to 90% of it. Right. And then we step in it and smear it all over ourselves. Um, for fun i like it i like it because it's also a 40 millimeter watch like this this in like 38 this in 36 or or under 40 be fantastic yeah 37 and a half on this if you get it to 10 millimeters even
Everett Yeah, 38 millimeters, 10.5. I'm like, this is dope. Let's take a look. Yeah.
Andrew And then at 3,000 bucks, I'm like, okay, I'm interested.
Everett Yeah. Seiko released three new references of its Cartier tank. They did. Are you okay, Andrew? You're craning your neck. 52 minutes. That's what I was trying to see. Yeah, we've been going for 52 minutes and 25, 26, 27 seconds. We're just going to count it up for the rest of the episode? Yeah, we could. So Seiko's got this quartz tank thing that you've looked at before because they're interesting. Have you handled one? Nope. I have. I like them. yeah i mean what's not what not to like so we've got a 39 millimeter lug to lug 27 wide and six four thick it is a quartz watch which is fine but it compares pretty directly to the tank dimensions this is obviously a tank dupe right yeah um So for the Australian and European markets, they have released three new references. A stainless steel case with a white dial and Roman numerals. A watch with the same dial, but a small gold hour markers to supplement the Romans. And then we've got a gold tone case with a champagne dial and faceted batons at each hour. And they just look fun. They just look fun. These are like... Cheapy... $100...
Andrew tank dupes from a company we all kind of like and they're uh in person so these are 300 they're they don't feel cheap they're well yep they're well produced they look good um a friend of mine has one and uh i got to put it on i'm like okay yeah i i see it i really i tried to sell his his wife got it for him for christmas and i tried to get her to get like a politely used tank instead. I remember having a conversation about this. And she couldn't stomach it. He makes enough money. She should have got him a real tank.
Everett These are Japanese made? It's good standing. These are Japanese made, which is interesting. These are very interesting watches to me. I like that Seiko is... Seiko's like, oh yeah, this is the thing we do and we're going to continue to do it. This isn't just a watch that we made 10 years ago in huge abundance that you can still get for cheap.
Andrew And not just 10 years ago, but like as a direct competitor to the tank at a better price point to kill the tank.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew And it persists. I like them. Yeah, these are fun. If I could find one for a good price that was in good condition, I'd get one of these.
Everett I mean, I think you can find them. I think you can find them on Amazon for $100.
Unknown Really?
Everett Maybe not one of these, but... I think they're more than $100.
Unknown Okay. I might be wrong, but I'd pick one of these up in a heartbeat.
Everett What's next? I think we can each have another watch. Assuming you want one.
Unknown I think I'm...
Andrew Oh, I read this article today on Hodinkee. An online watch dealer is rejecting more than a quarter of the watches it inspects, mostly Rolex in there. And it's an indicator that as this reseller is taking watches on either to purchase them and then resell them themselves or to sell them for other people. What's the word for that? Consignment? Yeah, on consignment. They're just not passing the muster. And this is what kind of interested me was it's not just because they're fake. It's because things are being done perhaps during servicing or perhaps by owners that modify the watch outside of OEM specifications. And they're kicking them back. But order of their watches aren't passing muster, which is why I'm so scared to buy used watches because you never know. And you've been on the secondary market quite a bit. Sure. And I've never gotten... Burned, I mean, to your knowledge.
Everett Yeah, I mean, I've never spent a lot of money either.
Andrew Yeah. But your Speedmaster was from a reputable company who, like, that was sort of their thing was we're going to sell you authentic and authenticated stuff. And I wonder if it's just getting harder and harder to come by or if, like... like true authentication or I, I read this and was like just horrified about buying used watches.
Everett Well, I guess I think the good news is what you're reading is that at least some companies are rejecting watches, right? Which is to say the market should be able to give you some indication of veracity, right?
Unknown Yeah.
Everett There's people that are looking and there's people that know. I mean, buy your seller. As with all things, buy your seller. But in particular, with a used watch. Yeah. I think that's right.
Andrew Scared of buying used watches. What you read out of that and what I got out of that, super different.
Everett Fair enough. I want to talk about a watch just very briefly. Volcane, a really kind of weird brand. Volcane is a weird brand. However, they have a Skin Diver watch that I have always been keen on. And they this week released a Skin Diver Nautique. GMT with a purple dial. And I saw this watch and I was like, God damn it.
Andrew You're a little bit of a purple high. I think every purple watch that's come out this year, you've been like, what's up, girl? Maybe, yeah, yeah. Because there's been a handful. There's been six or seven purple watches that have come out. This year. And they're getting to you. They got your number.
Everett So this is a collar or an office GMT, which is to say it's the Soprod C125. But what this is is a $2,000, 38.5 millimeter by 12 tooth thick, which is a great dimension, 200 meters of water resistance. GMT watch with a matte purple dial and just this terrific 24-hour bezel, a great, great domed crystal, domed sapphire crystal. I just double-domed sapphire, by the way. Frame date window at three, and I really like the frame date window. Great handset. The one thing I don't like about this, no lume on the second's hand. which bugs me a little bit in this style of watch.
Andrew It's a skin diver. It's not a dive watch.
Everett I don't know. I think I want lume on the second hand. We don't have it. That's okay. Golly, I just think this is a really handsome watch.
Andrew It really is. This watch comes top of mind to me when people are like, I want to spend... Like this and the Atlas are my two like kind of intro to luxury recommendations for GMTs.
Everett Yeah. I mean, do I take this over an Atlas? I'm not sure. No bracelet on this guy, which is always tough for me.
Andrew But for a skin diver, I think I'm okay with that. I'm not good with it, but I think I'm okay with it. Yeah. Right. Like I'm not good with McDonald's, but I'm really okay with it all the time.
Everett Yeah. I think it's a fun watch. Yeah. I think it's a fun watch. I probably take the Atlas over this, though, to be perfectly honest.
Andrew I mean, I have one, so I did do that. You did. You did do that. Yeah. But I love this. I love the case, the shape of it, the whole thing. It's a fantastic watch.
Everett I just love this dial, too.
Andrew I love this. I want both, in fact.
Everett I love this matte purple dial. I'm very, very into this dial. Terrific. Andrew, do you have any other watches that you want to talk about? I already closed the tabs. That's a no. Yeah. That's a no. They're gone. Well, then what about other things? Other things. So I, this last week. Oh, I know what you're going to talk about. I wondered for a second. I wonder what he's going to talk about. But now I know.
Andrew I picked up a Blackstone griddle this last week. And it's always kind of been on my, like, not always, kind of since the griddle craze has hit, I've been very interested by it, whether it be the Blackstone or the Weber Slate, just an outdoor griddle platform. Just last week, I found at Walmart, they had the 36-inch, like, four-burner with the cover for... 300 bucks? Or for 400 bucks?
Unknown How much did I pay for it?
Andrew I don't know. Hang on, I'm looking. I have the wrong link pulled up on my... And you were like, let's fucking go.
Unknown Yeah, so I was like, you know what?
Andrew I am going to pretty easily, yeah, for 400 bucks, I'm going to talk my wife into this and we're going to get it. So I got it. The one, the big difference between the slate and a blackstone is that blackstone comes unseasoned. So you got to do that shit yourself. And there's like I'm doing the seasoning process and I'm on Reddit and there's like people saying got to earn your edges, got to earn your edges, which means just cook on it and cook on it, cook on it until you finally get full and complete coverage. I swear to God, I was outside. Over my griddle for five hours, just like. brushing on layer after layer of oil and letting it cook off. That was a big pain in the ass.
Everett Well, I don't understand why the need to have it be perfectly seasoned right away.
Andrew I wanted to have a good... most of the grill top seasoned and then let the edges kind of come to fruition what why why not just cook on it because like cast iron if you're cooking on bare cast iron without a season you're not getting the same non-stick yeah but if you do like if you do like a double application you're gonna have
Everett polymerized oil everywhere, whether you see it or not.
Andrew Oh, I wanted to see it. So I spent a good long time getting it seasoned, and since then, the only thing I've cooked inside has been either reheating things or noodles. Everything has been on the Blackstone. I did whole fish. I've done steaks. I did ahi tuna and swordfish. I did teriyaki chicken tonight. Do breakfast most mornings. It's fantastic to have 36 square inches of hot cooking surface is a game changer. Like all the pancakes, all the bacon, all the eggs. It's on, scraped off on plates. Wipe it and you're good. It's fantastic. I love it. I'm sorry I waited so long to get one. I haven't touched my actual grill since I got it.
Unknown It's a win.
Andrew And I haven't cooked inside and it's been hot here. It's been Oregon hot. It's been warm, yeah. It's been in the 90s and... All of you who live outside of Oregon who are like, oh, it's only 90 degrees. Every day last week, it was hotter here than it was in LA or Austin, Texas. So fuck yourselves. Yeah, it's been warm. Yeah, so that's my other thing. If you don't have one, if you've kind of been thinking about it, I highly recommend it and I absolutely love it. I got magnetic wind guards for it on Amazon and two of the wind guards, they demagnetized and they just like fell off. And I don't know what causes magnets to demagnetize. I don't know. Because two of them are holding on strong. But the other two... Did you write them? I'm just going to send them back to Amazon.
Everett Okay.
Andrew Or I'll just report a problem and Amazon will probably send me a new set.
Everett I've got another thing. Do me. So I have a pair of New Balance 990 V4s that I purchased in 2021 is when I purchased them, March of 2021. And I've probably worn them, I don't know, Many, many times since then. New Balance 990s are one of a small amount of shoes that New Balance makes in the U.S. at their New England factories. 992, 993, 990s are U.S. made. Which kind of makes them special. The core. Yeah, they're the core made in USA line. Anyway, I went to get on a flight and I put them on. And as I put them on, I felt something crack in the right shoe. And I was like, that's weird. And I like put it on and I was like, whatever, it's fine. I just heard a noise. I got on a flight, went down to California, and I realized about an hour later that something had broken inside of the shoe. And the shoe was fine, but I could, like, feel it from the inside. That crunch? Yeah. I was like, ah, boo. But, you know, I've had these shoes for a very long time, and I've worn them many, many times, and they're in terrific shape still. I just, like, kind of luck of the draw, right? And they still looked pretty good, but I was like, they're trash.
Andrew Well, yeah, you can't have crunchy shoes. It's like having a squeaky shoe.
Everett I was in Vacaville and I just happened to like remember, oh, the Vacaville outlets have, there's a new balance outlet at the Vacaville outlets. I should go down there. and see if they have any 990s. Well, sure enough, they have a whole display of 990s. They had 990s V4s. They had 990 V6s. They also had some like 993s that I didn't like. Anyway, I wound up getting a pair of 990 V6s, the newer 990s. I got a pair. So this is a pair of shoes that if you pull them up in gray, the traditional color, they're $200. I wound up getting a pair of tan ones, which are pretty much on sale for $100 everywhere. I think New Balance must have overshot the mark on these because you can get them for $100. But at the outlet, they were also marked down 30%. So with tax, I paid $75 for a pair of 990. at the New Balance outlet.
Andrew They're $100 on Zappos right now.
Everett That's right. So they're pretty much $100 everywhere. Anyway.
Andrew I thought it was weird that you guys twinned up and now that makes sense.
Everett Yeah. They are... I love them. So I've always been a 990 fan. If you... Is that an Amber Alert? No, that's a... I'm getting invited to work. Oh. Well, anyway, 990 V6. They are very, very good. I'm wearing them right now. They're super comfortable. They're a 990, which means they're made with the best materials on earth. You can't go to work.
Andrew No, I can't go to work. It's just, it's a guy that we, yeah. There's a funny story I'll tell you about him later.
Everett And they're just terrific. I'm really, really happy with them, Andrew. They're different than the V4s. So the V4s are a pretty sturdy shoe. These feel a little bit lighter in construction. I don't think these will last quite as long as those other ones did, but they are significantly more comfortable. They just are a much more modern shoe.
Andrew I mean, that's the trade-off with truly comfortable athletic shoes is they also can't be that durable, right?
Everett Well, we'll see. I would be shocked if four years from now I'm still wearing these. But we'll see. We'll see because they're still... But you're not going to get that suppleness.
Andrew You're not going to get that breathability. You're not going to get that cushion. Out of something that's super durable. Because otherwise you're wearing a hard sole full leather.
Everett These don't feel like a pair of like cloud runners or something. So we'll see. It's not like.
Unknown These are lawn mowing dad shoes.
Everett Yeah. They are. They're really, really good. I'm not mowing the lawn in these either. Suede asshole. my bad if you're if you're at all interested in new balance the story of the 990 is a really terrific story um these are shoes that are equally beloved by new england dads who mow their lawns and like legit dc street culture uh it's an interesting story that they were i believe the first hundred dollar shoe The original 990s were.
Andrew They're also beloved by Virginian reporters who work for the Atlantic in this colorway.
Everett Oh, is that true? Oh. Speaking of Mike. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, really, really terrific. Love them. Mike, Mike, Mike Razak, our good friend for a long time resisted 990s. And I finally talked him into a pair. And he just happens to have the same exact pair that I'm wearing right now. So.
Andrew That's why I say I wondered why you guys twinned up. That there, the cheapest version, makes sense.
Everett New Balance 990s. Go get them.
Andrew I like it.
Everett Anything else you want to add before we go?
Andrew A lot of things.
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