We Mispronounce Lots of Italian Words (348)
Published on Tue, 01 Jul 2025 20:19:44 -0700
Synopsis
In this episode of the Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss several new watch releases and industry news. They begin by examining the LaVenture Marine Type 3, a titanium tool watch with COSC certification and a Faraday cage. They also cover new releases from Breitling with their 40mm Heritage Super Ocean, Baltic's new colorways for the Hermetic, and Furlan Mari's latest MechaQuartz chronographs. The hosts also discuss a new integrated sports watch from Casio featuring a Seiko movement. Beyond watches, they share personal stories about their children's evolving entertainment tastes and discuss the merits of supporting local manufacturing, specifically highlighting Portland-based company Pound Disc Golf.
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| Andrew | Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? Am I whistly right now? |
| Unknown | Uh, no, I don't think so. |
| Andrew | I don't, I don't, my, I don't think so. |
| Everett | My monitors are sounding a little weird. Oh, I don't know what to tell you about that. I'm doing well. I kind of queued up a mad scramble. Yeah. Which is fun to do every once in a while. |
| Andrew | You just hit record. And then cue the music. I like dash around, open the cooler, struggle with the beer. |
| Everett | Like have microphone level set or anything. Well, we made it. Oh, listen to that. It's still going. I'm supposed to push that off. |
| Andrew | Yeah. Oh, boy. We're going to have one of those days. |
| Everett | It might be. It might be. |
| Andrew | And you forgot tea on your front porch. |
| Everett | I didn't forget tea on my front porch. It's on your front porch. |
| Unknown | Yeah, it's brewing. |
| Andrew | No. It's just sitting there. |
| Everett | Brewing. Steeping? Yeah. Have you never heard of sun tea? I'm aware. You put it in a window. Not outdoors. Why wouldn't you put it outdoors? I don't have a window that gets the sun I would want for Sunday. |
| Andrew | Yeah, we have weird oriented homes with respect to sunny windows. |
| Everett | I don't think they're weird. I think that the... It's just too compressed. I think that when they built these homes, they built them for energy efficiency with respect to window location. So... Yeah. No, I don't have a window that gets the type of sun I need for sun tea, especially in the morning. In the afternoon, I probably do, but it would be on the wrong side of the house. It would be like in my bathroom, my master bathroom. I could do sun tea in my master bathroom in the afternoons. |
| Andrew | I don't have any windows that could do that. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, this window maybe in the afternoon. |
| Andrew | Yeah, in the summer. No, Andrew, I'm doing really well. How are you? I'm also doing really well. I've had a busy couple weeks. I went right on the tail end of my weekend. I went and saw the F1 movie on Friday. That was really fun. I woke up early this morning to watch an F1 race. And my kids were already up and watching TV. And they're totally fine coming downstairs and seeing racing on the television and joining. But God help you if you try to change it from their show to racing. Oh, they were not pumped. No, so I did not get to watch it. But I read the... Why didn't you come up here? This doesn't have cable or anything. |
| Everett | You need a Roku. |
| Andrew | I have a... They're like 40 bucks. I have a fire stick. Yeah, plug it into this big ass TV. But it doesn't have... It doesn't stream anywhere. So what I should have done and what we're going to do is put a fire stick in here so this is where they can watch TV and then I can be downstairs on the couch. |
| Everett | Oh, because you have like actual cable. |
| Andrew | Yeah, because it's on ESPN. Oh, that's fucking weird. And I don't have any... It might be a little weird. It might be worth re-examining. |
| Everett | Yeah, I don't know anybody with cable anymore. You know me. Yeah, that's you. I got Fubo a few years back. And Fubo, when we merged the law firm, so then August 22 is when we got that. And it operates very much like cable, except that... except that there's no cable, right? So it looks like cable. It's got channels. It's got a guide, and you scroll through the channels. But I can pull it up on my phone, and I can pull it up on my iPad. |
| Andrew | I've been looking at that and at YouTube TV. |
| Everett | YouTube TV has kind of been a... I think it does a similar thing. |
| Andrew | Yeah, has been one that I've heard good things about. But regardless, it's been a good morning. Kids have been in good mood. Weather's fantastic. Not hot. Been good. Just overall good. |
| Everett | Overall good. Great, great. Well, in any event, we're here to talk about watches. We are. And watches we're going to talk about. Do you want to get us started? |
| Andrew | I do want to get us started. So there is a watch company called LaVenture. Yeah, we've talked about LaVenture. And we've talked about LaVenture, which I would roughly translate from the original French into English as The Adventure. That's my guess, just based on how these languages work. No, that feels like a... No, it's fine. It's perfect. It's perfect. I like it. Translation. I think you're right on. So LaVenture has a few watches out. I think we've talked about them. This is a watch brand that's been around since 2017 doing kind of vintage-inspired adventure watches. And this is arguably the most adventure of them all. This doesn't really eschew previous designs. It just kind of builds on this more and more utilitarian watch. So the Leventure Marine Type 3 is a titanium grade 23. Is that like... |
| Unknown | Yeah, it's five split into two. |
| Everett | It is. It's grade five with, they've taken out some of the impurities of grade five. So it's basically a grade five with fewer impurities. It's a cleaner grade five. |
| Andrew | And it looks so good. This is a 38 millimeter case, 11.2 thick. But it's only 8.9 without a crystal. 46.2 lug to lug. Stonewashed all over. So it has that really rich, like almost Cerakote-y colorway of titanium. Mm-hmm. an SW 300 base movement and they're calling it their caliber four. It's, it's, you know, a, uh, what do we call them? Uh, an upgraded manufacturer caliber SW300. Here's another big pivot from previous LeVenture watches. There's no bracelet available with it. This is only coming on PFKM or on an elastic textile strap. 100 pieces per colorway. There's two colorways. There's a... Black, which is a really traditional field style minute ring, inner hour ring. Very like 60s, 70s kind of feeling field watch look. And the one that got me excited is the all white full loom. baller uh this case is kind of like an h case with bumpers on the side uh i'm i'm for it right this is just a pure tool watch feel there's no like nothing looks frilly about it the the this is just a good banger of a tool watch and they're coming in at 4,200 francs, which I can kind of get down with when you're considering they're making 200 of these. It's all a high grade of titanium, an acceptable movement for this price point, all Swiss made. I'm for it. This looks good. This is another, this is a good iteration in the LaVenture line, I think. |
| Everett | Yeah, no, I'm with you. I actually, I don't, I maybe take umbrage with your, I maybe take umbrage with your description of an iteration of Little Adventureland. This feels like something wholly different. Yeah, that was maybe the wrong word choice. Which, you know, whatever, we say things. Generation, maybe? Yeah, right. You know, this watch is really cool. This watch is really cool. Love and Sure, I think that they're doing... They're doing watches in a way that I find attractive, which is to say they're not doing watches... You know, some of their stuff, their GMT they came out with a few years ago, I was like, meh. But they like... I think they make decisions and stand by their decisions in a way I really appreciate. You know, having dipped my toes into the world of watchmaking, it's tricky like, okay, what decisions am I going to make versus where am I going to go with the flow and how am I going to stand by my decisions? They stand by their decisions and I don't appreciate all of them. I'm not like for all of their decisions, but they stand by their decisions in a way that I find really attractive. So They use plexiglass for their crystals, which I do think that's a great thing. But they stand by it in a way that I like. They're like, hey, the reason we use plexiglass... Is because it's better. It looks better. It doesn't shatter. If it does break, it's not going to leave shards of glass all over the fucking world. And furthermore, we can get it here in Switzerland and all of our shit's Swiss. And furthermore, the environmental impact of plexiglass is way, way, way lower than sapphire. So, you know, they've made a decision. They've explained why they've made the decision. And they're not going to change it. |
| Andrew | No, they're not going to bend the knee. Also, I forgot to mention a chronometer. That's right. It's COSC certified. Yeah. |
| Everett | So, I mean, I really like things like that. You know, they talk about their stone washing of the titanium. It supposedly makes it harder. I don't know if that's not true. I don't know enough about metallurgy. Did you talk about the Faraday cage, Andrew? No, I didn't. This watch actually got a Faraday cage in it, which makes it ISO 764. So it's got a lead shield. So there's a lead shield underneath the movement, but also underneath the dial that you can't see that gives it ISO 764. |
| Andrew | anti-magnetic qualifications this watch is just 300 meters of water resistance like it's super cool the only thing that i think people and generally watch people could have a leg to stand on in their complaint a little dial |
| Everett | Oh, I don't mind the little dial. |
| Andrew | Huge bezel. |
| Everett | I was just pointing to myself because I was like, yep, I agree. But no, that's not my problem with this. I actually don't mind a little dial. I like a porthole dial, and I think they've done really cool things with this. This has got a 17.1 or 17.2 millimeter lug opening, and they haven't given us a bracelet. |
| Andrew | Yeah, and that's, I think, a fair position to take also. |
| Everett | You get rubber or textile. As long as LaVenture is selling rubber, you can replace that theoretically. |
| Andrew | You will be hard-pressed should LaVenture stop. |
| Everett | Even the textile, even the textile strap, it's an 18-millimeter strap that's been... trimmed at the you know like that's tricky that's tricky for me like there's no permanent there's no like permanent bracelet option i'm i'm not feeling that but that's my that's my only complaint this movement's terrific it's a it's a good looking moment and it's just a fun Well, this was my favorite watch of the week. |
| Andrew | Oh, interesting. |
| Everett | I usually leave my favorites to last, but you stole it. |
| Andrew | I had a feeling that I was going to have to, I was going to be a little bit of a race for this one to bring it up, yeah. |
| Everett | Andrew, we didn't talk about these last week, although they were available to talk about, but I thought, well, we should talk about the 40 millimeter Heritage Super Ocean. Breitling did a good thing. it's been doing some good things we talk a little bit of shit about brightling but they did a good thing and we should recognize it so um the new brightling super ocean heritage revamp In 40 millimeters with like mesh and just really awesome vintage diver vibes, man. Okay. So this is cool. This is cool. It's a little expensive. It's 6,200. |
| Andrew | But that's what you pay for a Breitling. Yeah, that's right. That that's, That's Breitling prices. And this crown. That crown alone might be worth the price. |
| Everett | It's a good crown, yeah. Previously only available in 42 and 36. I do think that 40 is just... the right size for this i think sort of like when tudor came out with the black bay 58 right and people are like okay bright uh tudor you you you did it right this feels to me like a similar thing like okay brightly this is the right size |
| Andrew | I'd like to see another bracelet option that's not just mesh. |
| Everett | Yeah, I don't love a mesh bracelet. I say as I wear a mesh bracelet. |
| Andrew | I like a mesh bracelet, but I want to be able to pop it off and put it on. Something else. |
| Everett | Exactly. Exactly my thoughts on this. And Breitling does a good job with mesh bracelets. I think that they're using styled bracelets, which is the same as what I'm wearing right now. And they're just insanely good. They're just insanely good bracelets. And I understand that these are styles. Which, whatever. You may care, you may not. But give me an actual bracelet, too. To your point, right? |
| Andrew | Yeah. I love the signature on the butterfly clasp. They just nail it, right? And this is pure Breitling. $6,200 makes sense for me. I think it's a good new cousin into the Super Ocean line. |
| Unknown | Yeah, I mean, I... Sibling, maybe? |
| Everett | Well, it's just, yeah, sibling, right? It's not a cousin. This is just, hey, you got a new kid. Welcome to the party. Yeah, I think they've done a really good job with these. They're pretty. And unlike the 36 or the 44, 42, 44, this feels like, okay, I could wear this. I don't think I'd wear the 36. I don't think I'd wear the 44 or the 42. |
| Andrew | I'm exactly with you. This is a watch that I would only wear, maybe 38, but 40 is kind of the sweet spot for me. |
| Everett | I do think it has a 22 millimeter lugs, which I'm not a huge fan of, but they look okay here. |
| Andrew | I think perhaps because of the mesh, huh? Yeah, it's the combination, right? That vintage aesthetic in the crown, in the dial, and then you drop it on mesh and it just, it looks, It might be 20. |
| Everett | I've changed my mind. I can't, but yeah, 20.05. |
| Andrew | Sorry. It finishes the look, right? The, the mesh, it would look good on a three link on, I think, I think a Jubilee would be fantastic on that. Yeah. Um, but the, the mesh finishes the, uh, It's your hospital corner, right, of making the bed. That's the touch that it needs to just complete the look. Yeah. But it'd look fucking fire on a Jubilee. But I still know that you can sell it on a Jubilee, right? I think you just have to have a Jubilee available for it. |
| Everett | That's an interesting thought, right? You know, I think one of the things we've seen in recent times is brands playing with sort of like in-house stock bracelets, right? Like this bracelet works for our different watches. I would be okay with a brand like Breitling or... you know, whoever, perhaps Leventure, I'd be okay with them saying, these are our bracelets and they work on different watches. I'd be fine with it. I know that Bell & Ross has experimented with that in the past. Obviously, certain companies just aren't going to do that, right? It really sort of locks up some of your decision-making, I think. |
| Andrew | Well, look at Manta. Manta has a bracelet. Yeah. And that's brilliant, right? Like it'd be cool if they had, you know, three. Yeah. But they have a bracelet and it works. And I think if brands could pull that line of thinking of their geometry of design into it and it's like, yeah, sure. The Superocean and the Navitimer, they share bracelet schematics. So if you like that bracelet. And you already have, I think it, it pulls people into the brand in a way that like, Oh, I want to get, I can get another one of this brand's watch because I know that any strap that I get is going to be universally fitting. Yeah. It pulls them into the ecosystem. It's like what Apple did to us. Right. Sure. You know, we, everyone got, everyone got an iPod. And we all loved iPods. And then it's like, well, I'm obviously going to get another iPod because I have these nine chargers for this one iPod. And then they're like, oh, we're going to change our headphone jack. And then we all had to get their fucking headphones. They're like, and guess what? Now we have a phone. We're like, well, shit, now we got to get that too because they talk to each other and then a watch and then earbuds and now proprietary fucking charging cables. And now we accept that when we buy an iPhone... They only give us the cable and they don't give us a butt to connect it to the wall. So either you have to get a USB converter or you have to buy another accessory. Like they created this evil ecosystem that we love. And I think if a brand were to, like Breitling I think would be a really good brand to create an evil ecosystem where, you know, these are big watch purchases. The majority of what they sell is pretty terrific. But if you create this ecosystem of bracelets and straps that make it more appealing, like more value to... Well, yeah, I'm obviously going to get another Breitling because I've got these eight straps and four bracelets that already work with all my shit. I think it creates a really interesting draw to a brand that, you know, isn't on the outskirts by any means, but certainly isn't at the front of mind for most people. |
| Everett | Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| Andrew | Yeah, that's right. |
| Everett | Well, I'm with you. I'm with you. I think that they should consider that. I think all brands should consider. |
| Andrew | I agree. Okay. What's next? You know, I know a brand owner. Who could start this renaissance of bracelets and geometry? |
| Everett | You don't know one with any market influence. At least as far as I know. |
| Andrew | That's where good inventing comes from. Fixing a problem that people didn't know they had. I want to talk about a new... Gosh. I... Most languages, I feel pretty okay taking a stab at. Italian is not a language that I feel comfortable taking a stab at. Because depending on where letters fall in a word, they change in a way that they don't in English. So, Venezianco? Veneziancho? I think it's Venezianico. Venezianico. Arsenale... Platino. We have, so this is a watch, I think we've talked about the Arsenal Platino, because it's not a new watch. But what I want to talk about, there is a new dial way of this really lovely integrated sports watch. And I have to, I have to scroll down to how we get to this dial. There we go. So this is a like multi stepped layered development dial. This looks like a, a piece of metal that was, uh, left outside for about 20 years. sanded down, little bit of polish, like almost tinny in like oxidation. So what they, let me give you the specs on the case first, and then I will talk more about this dial. It is a 40 millimeter case, 44 lug to lug, 9.95 thick. They're talking to you, Everett. Sapphire crystal. Soprod M100 base movement, 50 meters of water resistance. We'll get back to that. 1,200 euros. And then on pre-order, 1,450 at retail. So this dial is brass with soleil and tumbled finishes, platinum galvanic treatment, and applied indices with BGW9 applied movements. So they took this dial and... I'm still kind of unclear, even with the really good description of what happened. What I'm gathering is they aged it, they tumbled it, they gave it a galvanization, they cleaned it up. But this is, I think, without a doubt, my favorite dial I've ever seen. Oh, really? This is absolutely stunning. It looks like aged, corroded, refinished, like refurbished metal dial. It's this really gorgeous gray silver. And because of the treatment that it receives, every dial is unique. And it is absolutely stunning. It has kind of like Aventurine texture. I mean, it's very different than Aventurine. It's very different than any of the other dials we talked about. I just made a go-fuck-yourself face. But it has that same really unique, one-of-a-kind feel to it. And it's just stunning. And paired with this really high polish, coin edge... |
| Everett | bezel like wow yeah you know what it reminds me of is like a micro like a like a shrunken down galvanized steel like like yeah HVAC steel it is galvanic so that makes sense but that's what that's the vibe I get like if they had taken the steel from the side of a rooftop HVAC unit and shrunk it down. Or just cut it out, right? Well, that would be a lot more crude, but yeah. |
| Andrew | It is. It's pretty. Gorgeous. |
| Everett | Your favorite dial. I think so, man. |
| Andrew | I don't like it as much as you. I'm like a little bit confused by why I like it so much. But it's just like the textures are they're perfect. Right. They're a little bit random and abstract, but they're very uniform. The color on it is stunning. |
| Everett | You know, I don't know what what it is. There's something about this brand that turns me off just a little bit. And it could be, well, I don't know. There's something about the brand that has turned me off. And maybe I can't even put a finger on it. Looking at this watch, I don't have any objections to this watch. I think it's beautiful. I love the way that they've, I love the way that they've chamfered edges on the bracelet. I love that. I love that very tiny fluting coinage on the bezel. I really like everything. |
| Andrew | Fluting is a much better description than coinage. Yeah, well. |
| Everett | Because it's super tight. It's got a coinage that's like flipped on its side, like a dime edge. um yeah on like a really good bevel like there's there's a couple angles on that bezel and the markers here are beautiful um i do want to say this is thicker we we talked about the vanta black version or the ultra black or whatever they were calling it uh version of this watch they did last year And I want to say that that was even thinner than this. I want to say that that was like nine millimeters. So this is thicker and I'm not sure why. |
| Andrew | I would like to see a hundred meters of water resistance in a watch like this though. Yeah, me too. Like, but honestly, even with 50, this is. That's fine. |
| Everett | It's fine. 50 is fine. Yeah. This is a watch I would buy. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder why it got thicker. It's, it's, it's. So she's. Stupid. All right. This is absolutely a watch I would buy. Well, can we talk about a similar watch since you're on the topic? Because I think that Gerard Perregaux introduced... Oh, I knew you were going to do that. Introduced maybe my favorite dial of all time. |
| Andrew | This is really good. |
| Everett | You know, so the Laureato is a watch we've talked about on the show. It's sort of... Something has started to bother me, Andrew. Something in watches has started to bother me. |
| Andrew | Just now. |
| Everett | Just now. Well, no, not just now. But it's started to become a... I don't want to call it pet peeve. I don't have pet peeves. But it's something that's started to irritate me. Anytime watch media talks about a new or even an existing... integrated sports watch, they have to like sort of, they have to say, oh, well, you know, so many integrated, and probably we're guilty of this too, right? Like, oh, another new integrated sports watch. I don't think we've ever said that. Oh, okay, maybe not. I'm just, hold on, hold on. I'm just acknowledging the possibility that's true because I'm about to complain about it. Let's stop doing that, right? This is just, these are just watches. They're just watches. It's just a type of watch. It's not like, there's no maximum number |
| Andrew | There's no... And there's no like, this is mine, I made it. Anything that's like it is a rip of my shit. |
| Unknown | We started with wired lugs. We started with pocket watches. That's right. Everyone's pocket watch was round. |
| Everett | And then they put lugs on them. And this is just a way we do watches. And I think it was a fad. At some point, but today... It's the thing. Maybe not even the thing. It's just a thing. It's just the way we do watches. So we don't have to, every time a brand comes out with a new one, sort of lament that there are too many. |
| Unknown | No, there can't be too many. |
| Everett | There cannot be too many. Yeah, we're not going to get there. Every time I hear a watch person say, oh, there's too many of this or that, it's like you have stopped being a person who is excited about new watches and have become a curmudgeon. And maybe that's not a bad thing. Go comb your neck beard. |
| Unknown | There's not too many. |
| Everett | Okay, anyway, Gerard Perrigo-Loriato, in any event, certainly doesn't have to contend with these accusations because they've been doing this for 50 years. |
| Andrew | On your Hodinkee ads, is it always Cartier? Is it always a Santos? |
| Everett | Nope, I've got the Strom. Nope. Nope. |
| Andrew | every Hodinkee article is just a Santos ad. And I'm like, I'm not going to buy another one. Probably. |
| Everett | I've got a Strom, uh, which we're not going to talk about, but we, we maybe, maybe next week. Um, so, so for its 50th anniversary. Gerard Perregaux has released a L'Oreal with like an engraved, a machine turned sunburst that's coated in like a gunmetal grand... You know what this looks like? This looks like a... Grand pho enamel. Holy shit. |
| Andrew | It almost looks like a... Like scales. Because of the angle of this, like, turning on the dial, it looks like shingles even. Yeah. Like terracotta shingles. |
| Everett | Right? That are just, like, disappearing into oblivion in the longest pipe that you've ever seen in your life. |
| Andrew | Yeah. |
| Everett | It's gorgeous, man. This is gorgeous. And it's a grandfather. So it's going to be... I mean, it's just gorgeous. I mean, it's only $18,000. And carefully, yeah. |
| Andrew | No, I mean, look, $18,000 is a lot of fucking money. Let's be clear. Look at the blasting on these middle links. Totally. Totally. The texture on these middle links is just perfect because it's subtle until it's not. |
| Everett | So they've only done this in the 42. So I want this in a 42. Well, I think that people are going to say, hey, we've got the 38 and 42 is just bigger than I want. The 38 millimeter execution of this watch is more wearable. I think that's probably true. But there's nothing stopping Gerard Perrigo from releasing this in the 30... In two weeks, yeah. It's one of the things that I've disliked about the Laureato is that grid... I don't dislike it. It's just not my favorite thing. |
| Andrew | Yeah, it's not exactly my jam either. |
| Everett | This thing is absolutely gorgeous. Yeah, this is... It's gorgeous. Phenomenal. At some point, I'm going to need to get like a really nice... You know, we see a lot of enamel watches. I don't think we see a lot of enamel with like a really ornate execution like this. |
| Andrew | No. |
| Everett | And so, well, maybe just we don't. |
| Andrew | Maybe it's not something that's super rare, but I think this thing... I don't think it's super common because of the process to... |
| Everett | enamel something yeah and grand pho I don't know I think grand pho is a pho pho is a soup pho well it's not I know it's not grand few and I know it's not grand pho it's like grand pho something like that it's like a double consonant you know it's one of my least favorite things about talking about watches is having to like pronounce things that we don't pronounce that aren't in our language. You know, Betty performed a song yesterday in Mandarin. Like she played on the piano. It's a pop song. So she did the whole thing and the sounds coming out of her mouth. I'm just like, this is just like, how do you do that? |
| Andrew | Mark was doing the same thing. He was doing like his, his summer homework thing on the computer the other day. And I was listening to like, Chinese coming out of the computer and Chinese coming out of his mouth. And I'm like, Hey dude, when you hear that, like are in your brain, are you translating it to English or is it just like, no, you just answer it in Chinese. He's like, well, it kind of depends. Yeah. I was like, you think in Chinese, don't you? |
| Everett | I know our kids have said that they don't think in Chinese, but I think at some level they do. They absolutely do. They can hear Chinese in the background, and it makes sense to them. I think because they've always done Chinese, too, they don't realize the difference between the way they think about that and we do. Anyway. |
| Unknown | Yeah, anyway. |
| Everett | You know what I don't dig, though? |
| Andrew | This is my one... |
| Everett | Are we talking about Chinese or Gerard Perico? |
| Andrew | The Gerard Perico. Okay. I don't like the GP at the 12. Oh. I would rather another marker. And I totally get why. Yeah. But I think it's great. I would rather just a marker at the 12. |
| Everett | This is much like the IWC Ingenieur, which several people reached out to us to say, hey, I'm with you. That's an underrated watch. |
| Andrew | made me happy i read so the iwc engineer was so prominently featured iwc was so prominently featured in this entire f1 movie and and they did a lot of branding that I think was kind of intentional because so much of F1 is brand marketing and branding and sponsorships. And they were all super overt. And I think it was really intentional just to kind of give that sponsorship feel to the whole movie. But IWC was so prominently featured. Everyone's wearing IWC. And every time you get a close-up of a person, you always get a shot of their watch too. |
| Everett | Well, like I was going to say, as I was going to say, the IWC Ingenieur and, you know, 5811 or the Royal Oak, like these watches are all such that you kind of have a core collection, but then you have these like one-offs. So similar to that Ingenieur, what's his name? What's Brad Pitt's name in that movie? |
| Andrew | Sonny Hayes. |
| Everett | Sonny Hayes. Similar to Sonny Hayes. You know, that green. It's like, this is not a, it's not diamonds. It's not a tourbillon. There's no, there's no like. But it's different. But it's like, it's like a core collection. Or it's like a piece that's different, but that just feels like it should be a core collection item. I love that in watches. I love that in watches. So this is really cool. |
| Andrew | Or even like an LE color that is just, it pops in a way that others don't. |
| Everett | And I don't get the sense that this is LE. I think this is free. |
| Andrew | No, this is permanent collection. What's next, Andrew? Oh, I don't know. Oh, I know. I made my selection. Carry on brew metric light, a trio of tiny brew watches. Uh, so these are the, I mean, brew typically comes in at like 36, uh, which, which makes for a pretty big watch. It does because of the square shape. Uh, so brew has dropped a metric in a 30 millimeter line. Um, three colors, right? Yeah, here we go. Three colors. We have a gold with a black dial and then steel with a black and white dial. And you know, Oh, and by the way, the white's a mother of pearl. No big deal. And it's gorgeous. I remember when we first talked about some of the brew line. I think the first brew metric that came out. And we were jacked about it. And if we went back and listened to that episode, I'm sure I said, what can they do next? Like how does he take this brand based around a espresso timer with kind of a novel case design and do the next thing with it? And he just keeps doing the next thing that makes so much sense that we don't exactly know we want, but we definitely need. This in 30 is fantastic. It's 10.5 thick, which is, you know, it's going to be a little thick because it just is at 30. Miota 6T 27 movement, 50 meters of water resistance, black dial, or the really lovely mother of |
| Everett | pearl just nailing it nailing it yeah no you know i wonder the as you kind of pointed out when you started when you started the segment you know the dimensions you read are not necessarily the same as how the watch is going to wear. So, you know, we've said the 36 millimeter bruise wear like 40 or 41 millimeters. I imagine that this is going to wear like a 34, 35 millimeter, which is to say it's going to be pretty small. |
| Andrew | But this watch, this dial and case design is, is so conducive to a diminutive size. Right? Wearing, this nails the size. |
| Everett | Yeah, I was gonna say, I think it's probably a little bit too small for me to be a daily driver, but clearly Jonathan's trying to make a watch for people that want smaller watches. uh which is to say which is to say some huge uh portion of these are probably going to be purchased by or for women um and he's not saying that which is fine i think everybody's got a bad taste in their mouth for women's specific releases but and he's done a good job sort of making these wearable for anybody who wants to wear a smaller watch but these are these are smaller watches |
| Andrew | They're $375. I might get the gold one. Yeah, they're cheap. Because it's gold PVD, black dial, great colorway. I don't have a gold watch. Not sure I could pull off a gold watch. Of course you can. I want to pull off a gold watch. If I'm going to, this is the one. |
| Everett | Yeah. Of course you can pull off a gold watch. This is really cool. This is really cool. |
| Andrew | What I don't see and what I don't know is if this lug width puts these bracelets in his ecosystem or if they're, they appear to be unique to the 30 millimeter. |
| Unknown | Yeah. |
| Andrew | But it'd be, it was a chance. It was a chance to build his ecosystem. |
| Everett | Baltic released the Hermit Teak in four new colors. |
| Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| Everett | What do you think about the Hermetic? Do you have any thoughts on just this watch generally? |
| Andrew | I like everything Baltic does. |
| Everett | Yeah, maybe me too. |
| Andrew | I don't get down with the hype of everything that they do. Cause I think Baltic gets a lot of, a lot of hype that I'm just like, I don't know. Like, I don't think they're undeserving. I just don't get as excited about Baltic. And I, I, I've never been able to put my finger on why I have no distaste or dissatisfaction, uh, It's just a brand that doesn't scratch the itch for me, generally. They've had a couple. Their GMT that they did earlier this year, or was it late last year? Doesn't matter. Did get excited about that. When they were in the race for the inexpensive GMT, that was exciting. Yeah. But I don't know. I kind of, in my head, put like Oris and Baltic in the same bucket of like watches that just don't excite me, though I kind of get why people get excited about them. I don't know why. Yeah, sure. I mean, I think we all feel that way about. And Nomos, like I think Nomos, Baltic and Oris all kind of exist in the same like, meh, bucket for me. Well, I would just say. And they're lovely, right? This teal is great. The yellow is great. The pink is, it reminds me, I think I might even wear that pink, but the orange is like fire. I don't know. I just, they don't get me excited. |
| Everett | I'll just say for me, I think that this is one of the most underrated affordable watches around. |
| Andrew | Yeah, it's like $100,000, right? |
| Everett | Yep, $600. So $550 on a strap. Baltic's done an interesting thing with the Armetique. So they've sold this or marketed this as a watch that is intended to be worn on rubber or on a strap. And so the marketing photos of these watches all include this watch on a strap. So what we're talking about today is they've released the Hermetique in four new colors. Summer colors. There's a green that they're calling summer turquoise. There's a yellow they're calling summer yellow. There's an orange they're calling summer orange. And a pink they're calling summer pink. |
| Andrew | Summer pink. Oh. |
| Everett | But they're all really, really good. And each of them comes with a color-matched FKM Tropic Strap. And the Tropic Strap are made by and for Baltic, probably. uh a custom mold type of situation but i'd fuck with that orange on a black strap for sure they say baltic this is just armitique which is to say it's a 37 millimeter sub 11 thick um sort of old-school kind of field pilot watch with syringe hands. Super thin. It's got a crown that's recessed into the case, a push-pull crown that's recessed into the case, which is just fantastic. It's got a Miyota 9039. It comes with 150 meters of water resistance. It's just a watch that is gorgeous and I think criminally underrated. Personally, I think criminally underrated. These things have a big, giant hi-hat crystal on them and take the crystal away and it's an 8.3 millimeter watch. |
| Andrew | I mean, this is like an objectively best scoring rubric. |
| Everett | Yeah. |
| Andrew | You know, a top contender for objectively best of all time with dimensions, water resistance. |
| Everett | And here's why this watch crushes. Because despite the fact that Baltic has marketed this as a strap monster and it's supposed to come on a strap, much like Andrew's been talking about, Baltic does a thing where they make bracelets that... work across several lines and so you can buy this for 65 extra bucks making it a 615 watch you can buy this or 615 euro excuse me you can buy this with either a beads of rice or a flat link bracelet this on a beads of rice that orange on beads of rice or the orange on black fkm yeah it crushes dude fuck oh it crushes and and and it looks great on the flat link too i mean let's |
| Andrew | I'm down with Baltic's flat link. And to be clear, I'm down with exactly everything that Baltic does. They just don't excite me. |
| Everett | Yeah, they excite me. I think this is a great watch. And in fact, I think if you're looking for, you're like, hey, I just want to watch under a thousand bucks. I want it to be awesome and rad. Obviously, everybody's going to talk to you about Christopher Ward and blah, blah, blah. But I think that this is a watch that you really ought to look at. The reason I think Baltic struggles to compare is that a lot of the watches in this space... uh notice traska a lot of these brands i feel like have sort of their thing that they're doing and and baltic maybe has struggled to stand out in a way like that |
| Andrew | But, you know, I think when they got, like, direct compared to Laurier, when Laurier was releasing their mechanical GMT, and I don't think they're a direct comparison to Laurier. |
| Everett | Oh, I do think that. I do think that. I think that that's the closest, too. Like, when I look at those brands, I'm like, Laurier Baltic. I mean, I don't think... The bracelets are the same. Yeah, I... I just know Laurier way better. I know the watches. I know Lauren and Lorenzo. I just know those watches better. |
| Andrew | I wouldn't want to fight Lorenzo. I don't know who owns Baltic, and I don't know if I'd want to fight him or not. I like these colors. I think, I mean, the Armitage is a great watch. I don't know. I want to be excited about this watch. What's next, Andrew? Oh, next up for me. Hmm. I know what I want to talk about. |
| Unknown | Oh, good. |
| Andrew | Furlan Mari. A watch brand that we talk about, it seems like, with increasing regularity. |
| Everett | Sure. We have... Not that we... Which is not to say we talk about them a lot, but more so than we have in the past. |
| Andrew | We have two watches from them in Mecca Quartz. A Sabia Rosa, which is a rose gold white dial bicompax chronograph. And the... Arnesia blue. Fine. Which is a small seconds at the nine o'clock, really lovely blue chronograph. And that's the one that got me excited. So what we have here is two 38 millimeter, 12 millimeter thick chronographs. VK64 chronographs. One, the blue in a stainless steel and the white in a 4N rose gold PVD. It's not white. They call it cream and champagne tones. It's white. It's not white. It's a little creamy with like a... rose gold middle. That one, I actually kind of hate that one. I love this blue. So it's this really, really rich royal navy with offset silver markers throughout the dial with your with your chronograph function at the nine o'clock, and it is absolutely gorgeous. And I love the VK64 movement for a couple reasons. Number one, it is a really cool movement. MechaQuartz is neat. It gives you smooth sweep, quartz accuracy. And you compromise some size. These are 12 thick. But it's a chronograph, so you're kind of okay with it. I'm okay with that, yeah. I love brands using this VK64. These are 50 meters of water resistance. This is a really refined, kind of deco-y feeling, really lovely chronograph. And they come in... 585 Swiss francs, so 620-ish bucks. Non-limited edition, available now. I dig these. Yeah, these are... I dig this. I dig the blue one. |
| Everett | I do not care for at all the rose gold. These are done in sort of like the paddock 1463 style, which I think is cool, especially the gold one. Which is neat. It's cool to me that Furlan Mari is like, hey, this is... We started as a Mecca Quartz company and despite the fact that we're doing all sorts of weird shit now, we're still going to do Mecca Quartz. You know, they do really like... High-end shit, right? |
| Andrew | They cover a really wide spectrum. |
| Everett | Yeah, they've got like the Disco Volante that they did. So this is cool. I'm totally fine with these. They come in at a relatively approachable price, I guess. You know, 580, 585 francs is... fine for this it's kind of a lot of money but i think that for a furlan mari not not really it's interesting mecha quartz is interesting to me some days i really like mecha quartz and then other days i'm like what's the point like what are we doing here i'm not wearing watches because i want reliability you know or whatever right i'm not i i i really like the I don't mean to yuck anyone's yum. It's just like sometimes I'm like, what's the point? |
| Andrew | Oh, I'm about it. I'm wearing a machine. Yeah, but I think the Mecca Quartz machine movement is not nearly even, it doesn't even hold a candle to like EcoDrive, but it's still cool as shit. |
| Everett | Even EcoDrive, I kind of feel the same way about it sometimes. Sometimes I'm like high on it and other times I'm like. No, I always am super high on EcoDrive. Like I said, I don't mean to yuck anybody's yum. |
| Andrew | You're always yucking my yum. Yucking right into it. |
| Unknown | So just quickly, Squalé, which I think I'm saying that right. |
| Everett | Squalé. Squalé introduced a 120 atmosphere master diver, the master grand diver, which they've released in two colors, the master grand bleu, which is French for blue, and the master grand vert, which is French for green. |
| Andrew | I thought it would be French for vertical. |
| Everett | These are big ass giant divers that come with rubber straps that have croco green imprinted on them. Yeah, they look leather. And they cost like $2,300 and they're super dumb and I want one. |
| Andrew | I want this on a bracelet, though. You can get them on a bracelet. Oh, do you? |
| Everett | Yeah, they come with a compatible. Oh, they do have a compatible bracelet. They sell them with compatible bracelets. I get down with this. They're really dumb. It's a really dumb giant H case diver with a four o'clock bezel or a four o'clock crown. |
| Andrew | The texture on the dial is butt. |
| Everett | These are stupid watches. Don't buy one of these. |
| Andrew | But do and then decide you hate it and want to send it to us. But I really want one. The size, the actual, the vertical axis of these markers are like tree stumps. |
| Everett | Also, Casio did a mechanical watch It's got a Seiko movement in it. Okay. I just want, it's a, I can talk about it. It's called the EFK 100 CD. Casio made an integrated steel sport watch with a Seiko movement. |
| Andrew | They might not have. |
| Everett | Oh, is that what you're getting? It might be April fools. Oh, here we go. No, it's, it's there. So, uh, they're, they're fine. |
| Andrew | I like the green. |
| Everett | They're, they're fine. |
| Andrew | Dial. It kind of looks like, uh, |
| Everett | It's a fucking Seiko movement, you guys. I just want to be clear. It's a Seiko movement. This is actually kind of a fun watch. It's a Seiko movement. Casio made a Seiko movement automatically. |
| Andrew | I kind of like it. I like the edifice line. This green is really good. |
| Everett | Andrew, you know, I worked for, so I'm a small business owner, as you know. I'm a small business owner. |
| Andrew | A couple times over. |
| Everett | That's true. That's true. You know, as a small business owner, things like, there's certain things, right? Like, hey, we need to, we lost our business card vendor this last year. |
| Unknown | Oh. |
| Everett | And so what we had to do was find a new vendor. We had to locate the files. We had to, you know, there's just little things, right? It was just little things. It's like, oh, it's a pain. Okay. Like those are the things small businesses have to deal with. Like you need to get business cards made. If you have a vendor and they're doing that and they know what to do, you can call them and say, hey, I need new business cards. But if not... You've got to deal with that. You've got to say, okay, this is the ink we want. I worked for Sherwin-Williams as a younger man. And there is nothing. I was a store manager. So I ran a store for Sherwin-Williams. There was nothing that required any of that type of thought. Right? |
| Unknown | You need business cards? |
| Everett | It's a couple of buttons or maybe an email. |
| Andrew | Mine's one email. Hey, I need more business cards. |
| Everett | There's nothing. There's no part of running that business that is like that. I mean, toilet paper orders, it doesn't matter. There's nothing. You need to do an inventory. The company just sends you out these guns. And you go around the store and you shoot all the things and count things, right? And this is just a satellite. Sends it back. There's nothing. A brand like Casio... There's a team of people within Casio that have already, I guarantee, I guarantee there are teams of people within Casio that are doing work that nobody knows about. |
| Andrew | Not even people at Casio. There's a couple thousand of them. |
| Everett | When you go to Cleveland for Sherwin-Williams, they've got all these buildings. Sherwin-Williams is a Cleveland company. And so they have like four or five campuses around Cleveland. If you go to the different places, there are people working on shit that will never see the light of day. Right? You've got like a team of chemists over in this building that have projects that Casio can make an automatic movement. |
| Andrew | But they don't need to because Seiko already does. Maybe it's a cost thing. They need people making shitty watches. |
| Everett | God, I'm so annoyed by this. |
| Unknown | I saw, oh, Casio's finally releasing its first ever... It's a fucking Seiko? It's an NH35. What the... That's what everyone uses. What sort of... It doesn't make sense. |
| Andrew | Andrew, do you have any more watches you want to talk about? No, I already closed the links. Other things, what do you got? Okay, so my 10-year-old... is broadening his television horizons, like both through like his social interactions with kids at school and through like if he sees a tile that looks interesting to him, he turns it on. He's been watching the show the last couple of weeks that I. Like he's turned me on to a couple of shows. First was it's not Sleepy Hollow. It's or Fox Hollow Owl House. And The Hollow. They're these young adult animated shows. And I'm like, oh, this is a fun story. The last one he turned me on to, that I've been watching with him, is a DreamWorks show called Kipo and the Age of Wonder Beasts. And it's so fun. It's on Netflix. It's this South Korean-American collaboration anime series that follows these teens in kind of a post-apocalyptic world where animals... Imagine Planet of the Apes. That's where we're at. It's an animated version of Planet of the Apes with a different story and different species of critters running about. It's fantastic. Like he's turning me on to like, and I've always kind of, I'm not ever poo-pooed anime, but I've like, it's just never been for me. And this is by no means anime, but it, I think it's a gateway drug. |
| Everett | I like it. I like it. It is cool. It is cool when your kids get to that age that they start to have like independence, like their thought and tastes become independent. And then unlike the past eight years of their lives, they bring sort of... They actually bring something to the table finally. You're like, oh, wow, this is cool. Uh, that's great. |
| Andrew | Yeah. I, and you said what, what platform is it on? It's on Netflix. It called Kipo and the age of wonder beasts. Um, Radford Seacrest is the creator. Um, cool. It like it's, it's certainly not anime, but it's close. All right. I like 30 episodes available on Netflix right now. Uh, It's super fun. Like the story is good. And I think what what is like kind of drawing me to it is not only is the story really well done, but it's this really. Kind of subtly, really inclusive. worldview show where you're dealing with these, these prime characters who are all teenagers existing in a post-apocalyptic world. And because it's a South Korean and American collaboration, it's like all people of color and they have these really interesting like LBGTQ storylines and flavors in it that is just not at all forced. It's just like, it just is there, which is so like real. It's like the people in your life are just different because everyone is different. And it acknowledges in a way that's not like, I'm trying to find a way. It's not trying to celebrate differences so much as just like normalized differences. Which I think is maybe better and more important than celebration of difference. You don't have that extreme pendulum swing in either direction. You have just like, oh no, we're just all different and it's all okay because we're all just people. |
| Everett | It's okay, yeah. That's cool. |
| Andrew | Yeah, I super like it. That's what we were watching this morning instead of F1. That's cool. I would have rather watched F1 to be fair. |
| Everett | Yeah. I've got an other thing. I'm sending you an other thing that I don't own, nor have I ever touched it. |
| Andrew | For Pound Disco? |
| Everett | Yeah. So I am a disc golfer. Professionally. I'm a disc golfer. |
| Andrew | You're a card holding member of the PDGA. |
| Everett | Literally, yes. Anyway, I have been... So I recently... Well, not recently. I have been carrying pound disc golf bags for a while. They're made in Portland. They're made in Portland. So my main disc golf bag is a pound. They're super expensive, like annoyingly expensive. It's the type of item that people within the community will fight about because you pay a premium. So most disc golf bags are made in China. Like 95% of the disc golf bags you'll see on a disc golf course are made in China. Nothing wrong with that. As we've discussed on this show ad nauseum. |
| Andrew | That's where we make things. However. |
| Everett | There's something cool about a company that's like, no, no, this is... And it's cool because it's hometown. |
| Andrew | It is cool because it's hometown. We like buying Portland things because Portland is an interesting manufacturing community, interesting manufacturing city, and it's our hometown. |
| Everett | Yeah. So Levi, the owner of Pound Disc Golf, not a guy I know, his name is just known to the community, used to work at Mystery Ranch. And while he was at Mystery Ranch, he talked them into eventually marketing and selling a disc golf bag that is kind of stupid but has this cult, like a mystery ranch. And it sort of has this cult following. Anyway, eventually, I think they weren't selling very many of them. They kind of discontinued the line. And he left. He was like, I can do this. And started... That's a baller bag. It's hilarious. |
| Andrew | The golf Marshall. Oh my gosh. |
| Everett | It's hilarious. Anyway, so he makes these bags and they're really good. I've ordered a handful of them, but I'm linking you to a thing and this is something it's, it's like, it's so dumb. So this is a, what did this is, is $150 beverage carrier. They're on sale for 112 bucks. Stupidest shit I've ever seen. They're made in Portland. These things carry, so 112 bucks. They carry six, you can put like six fifths or six wine bottles or six pint cans in them. You can get weird with it for sure. You can. I just love shit like this. This is some dude starts a business. They probably employ 10 or 15 people. And they just make stuff. And they prototype stuff. So I just ordered a new disc golf bag from these guys. It's called the Vagabond. And they meticulously filmed their decision making and thought processing through the prototype process. So it wasn't... it wasn't like after they released the bag, they said, Oh, here we're all prototypes. And this is what we did. They'd like make a prototype and they make a video and say, here's what we're thinking. Here's what we're thinking. Here's what we're thinking about changing. And they make another prototype and release another video and be like, okay, these are the things we did. And now here's what they're thinking. It's just really cool. |
| Andrew | That's like very mystery ranch. Like for the people R&D. |
| Everett | Yes. It's really cool. And so I'm going to... I sent you this link for this beverage container. Buy it or don't. I'm not suggesting you buy this. I just love... I love shit like this. I love, love, love to support companies like this because... Not to get political here, but the whole idea of the tariffs is to bring manufacturing back. It's really stupid. These tariffs are really dumb and poorly thought out. But the answer is still... If we want to have things that we make here, we've got to support the things that get made here. |
| Andrew | We've got to buy the things that we're already getting. |
| Everett | I'll just say I'm anti-tariff. |
| Andrew | And anti-terrorism. |
| Everett | And anti-terrorism. I'll leave it at that. However... I am for making shit here. And these bags are made here, and I think that's rad. And I think if they cost $100 or $200 or $400 and you can afford that, it's never a bad idea. |
| Andrew | I'm going to be on the hunt for one of those Mystery Ranch disc golf bags for your birthday. I will never wear that. |
| Everett | Just tell them to look at a picture. |
| Andrew | Yeah, look at a picture of it. It's absolutely ridiculous. But from the front, it's pure Mystery Ranch. |
| Everett | They've got a cult following, too. People are into them. Oh, it's baller. |
| Andrew | They're hard to get. But Mystery Ranch is also kind of this... They make the best shit on Earth. Well, they did, and I haven't bought any Mystery Ranch since their Yeti acquisition. But Mystery Ranch is, you know, I have a couple Mystery Ranch bags, and they're just the highest quality shit you can ever have. They're worth every penny. |
| Everett | Mystery Ranch makes good shit. And I'm with you, though. The Yeti acquisition is sad, but whatever. Hey, folks at home, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20 of the WatchClicker podcast. Do me a favor. Go to the website. It's watchclicker.com. That's where we post articles and words and pictures. If you'd like to follow us on social media, you can do that at 40in20 underscore WatchClicker or at WatchClicker on the Instagram. If you want to support us, and oh boy, I hope you do, you can do that at patreon.com slash 40 and 20. That is actually just how we get the money to keep this thing going. And if we didn't have that, we wouldn't keep going. And don't forget to tune back in next Tuesday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Bye-bye. |