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Episode 21 - Watches We've Never Heard Of

Published on Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:37:00 -0700

Synopsis

This is a conversation between two friends discussing watches, including an affordable Chinese watch brand called Seagull with an interesting historical connection, a modern American quartz chronograph brand called Jack Mason, and an upcoming release from Dan Henry paying homage to a vintage Porsche Orfina watch from 1972. They also discuss their process for finding these lesser-known watch brands through online research and forums. Additional topics include fly fishing rods, archaeology discoveries, the cartoon Rocko's Modern Life, and proper use of the word "peruse".

Transcript

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Everett Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Andrew Feeling a little tired.
Everett Yeah. It's been kind of one of those weeks, I think. Glad it's the weekend. That's for sure.
Andrew It is the weekend and the weekend's not even done.
Everett No, that's the best part. This is the first long weekend I've had in a long time and I am really enjoying it. Yesterday I found that I was a little antsy because I didn't have anything planned. I didn't have anything to do. And my wife was like, Hey, are you, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I'm good. It is weird. I don't know what, I don't know what to do with my hands. But I'm making it through. I'm finding a way to survive freedom because this is America.
Andrew Yeah, I really like it when you have those moments where you're feeling sort of ambiguous pressure about, you know, whatever it is, whether it's work pressure or, you know, just day to day, everyday stresses. And you realize I have a full extra day off tomorrow that no matter what else is supposed to happen, it's not supposed to happen tomorrow. Nope. And I'm going to Cabela's.
Everett Wait, when are we going to go fishing? Actually, I mean, we're going to talk about that later because I have been, uh, on the, in the hunt, in the midst of a second hunt, a hunt unrelated to what we're talking about today, uh, for a fly rod, for a new fly rod for salmon and steelhead. Like seven weight or eight weight or something. Yeah, that's kind of where I'm looking right now. And we can talk about it a little more later, but Echo I think is where I'm gravitating towards. And I know we've, I mean, I've fished with you with Echo rods and, um, still being fairly new to fly fishing. Couldn't really pick out the differences, but that seems to be where my hunt is leading. All roads lead to Echo at this point.
Andrew That company is so freaking cool. Uh, so they've actually got a big factory, uh, I'd say factory. I think it's more of a warehouse than a factory. And is it Vancouver? I mean, it's just North of us. Um, and when I say Vancouver, I mean the, America version. The America version, the small suburb of Washington version of Vancouver, Portland suburb. But they're just sort of everyday people. You can go to their factory or I'm going to keep saying factory, but it's a warehouse. You can go to their warehouse. They've got, you know, a gal working orders in the corner and somebody else, you know, taking stock off shelves. And they're happy to see you. And they make really good fly rods. They make, I don't know, probably as good as anything you could get at Cabela's. They've got a pretty good variety of rods. They've got, you know, really sort of entry-level, base-level stuff. And then they've got high-end. You know, I don't know if they still collaborate with him, but Tim Ratjeff, who's the, you know, world-record casting guru, Coordinated with them really early on or maybe he was part of the company. I'm not sure and forgive my ignorance on this, but you know they make fantastic Top-level fly rods, but they also make accessible. I'm getting into this hobby You know I have a hundred and fifty bucks to spend what should I buy they make fly rods for that person, too? so really sort of in the vein of what we do here at 40 and 20 which is accessible really good top-level stuff at an accessible entry point. Cool company, love them. And the reason I went to the Echo Warehouse is because I think the first day I went fishing, it's been about three years ago, but it was the first day I went winter steelhead fishing, probably about 19 degrees on the Clackamas River. I found a great spot, very cold, pulled my rod out of the sleeve, got everything set up. Back casted, forward casted, and the rod snapped in the middle. Temperature, the formula, I had ice sort of already forming around. It was cold. But broke my rod, first cast, and I thought, well, I've got to fix this. Fortunately, being in Oregon, it was just a trip down the freeway. But called them up and said, hey, I snapped a rod. And they were like, come on in, we'll replace it. And sure enough, I walked it up there. They gave me a new rod. Cool company. I love them.
Everett That's really cool.
Andrew Yeah, and it was the same day. I walked in, I gave him the old rod, they gave me the new one.
Everett Now, not everybody who's listening to this is gonna have that luxury, but... But I think that speaks to the value of a company, I mean, the value of a brand, that they're willing to just replace it, no questions. I mean, you could have closed the shit in your door.
Andrew You could have broke it over your knee. Right. Yeah, totally. And, you know, I think if you're able to ship it back to them, you know, you're gonna pay, what, 30 bucks to ship the rod, or at least the section. And, and, you know, depending on how old the rod is, you may, you may need to ship the whole thing, but yeah, super good service. Great company Echo. You should do that.
Everett Yeah, there it's pretty high on my list of things to do.
Andrew Are you going to do switch or single hand?
Everett Single hand.
Andrew Okay.
Everett All right. I'm not to a place in my fly fishing journey to be going beyond that.
Andrew I almost think that's a better time to go to. I almost think that's a better time to switch.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. Well, and I say switch, switch to switch because The, the nice thing about, uh, not having developed, uh, a ton of experience is with a single handed rod is that you don't know any difference. So if you just start with, uh, uh, the versatility of a switch rod, you can cast it like a single hand, or you can, you know, get that second hand involved and get these more complex snap tee or whatever. Um, cast, get that extra distance. If you're learning, it's like a kid learning another language. If that's how you learn, it's going to be easier.
Everett Well, great. Now my semi made up mind has just changed dramatically.
Andrew You know, the last time we went out on the McKenzie, we brought my friend John's Echo switch rod. Yeah. And I think we both used it. So, you know, whether you know it or not, I used an Echo switch rod.
Everett OK, good to know. Yeah. So that's on my that's on my to do list of of new things to purchase. And I was watching Major League Fishing today, which I didn't which I knew was a thing. Uh, I knew that bass fishing has, um, grown to such a point that they can be, have a, have a major league. And I was watching with my son cause it was fairly early in the morning. And, um, I've taken him out fishing a couple of times with his PAW Patrol rod. And I, I just, I, I don't know if I'll ever forget it. He, he watched these guys, this guy pull, pull a bass on the, on the boat and he goes, daddy, he caught a fish. Now he gets to go home. And I was like, oh no, buddy. Oh no, buddy. The addiction is deeper. And it was actually pretty cool to watch. I mean, it was when we got started. It was it was the the way they covered it was was actually impressive, even for somebody who I think somebody who wouldn't enjoy watching fishing would enjoy watching it. They did a really good job jumping from boat to boat. And these guys are out on this bash on this on this lake bass fishing, pulling in pulling in fish and you're watching the interaction, you're watching this guy talk about why he's fishing where he's fishing, you're watching the struggle that he's going through and you're watching the guy in first place just fucking kill it. He was slaying, he had 20 pounds of bass caught and the last guy had no fish and he was just disheartened. And you got to see this underdog story where you see this guy like, like catch, catch a three pound bass and then a two pound bass. And suddenly he's in sixth place instead of 10th place. And, and watching these guys pulling these one pound fish was, Pretty impressive when you see him pull on a three, three and a half pound fish and they do a good job with analysts in there and this fellow out on another bass boat on the lake talking about what's going on. I think they did a really good job somehow finding a way to sports cover. Bass fishing. Better produced than you expected.
Andrew Way better produced. The entertainment value is there, even though it's a stupid, boring thing to watch on TV.
Everett I'd watch it again. Right.
Andrew I'd watch it again.
Everett Even not being a bass fisherman. I've never fished for bass, but I'd watch it again.
Andrew Bass fishing is such a weird thing, too. Totally different than what you and I primarily do, which is single hand trout fly fishing. Yeah, I mean, totally different than that. You know, they're using different lures. They're using different equipment. They're using different Uh, you know, most of the time they're using sort of boats on, on open water, flat water.
Everett And a dozen rods on the deck. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. It's actually ties in kind of nicely to what we're talking about today.
Andrew How the fuck does this tie into what we're talking about?
Everett I wish, I wish I could take credit for having planned that. It was incidental because this was one of the other things I liked that I was going to discuss, but we went for it up front. Um, it ties in really well in a way, uh, to what we're talking about today, which is the hunt. for a hunt for a new watch that neither of us have ever seen a seen or heard of and could realistically buy today and i have to tell you not buying the watch that i found was a bit of a struggle we've actually talked this week about the fact that i could i could i could buy this watch. I don't know if it's even... I could get this right now. I could get this today. I could pull the trigger and buy it today.
Andrew Well, and to clarify, you didn't have to find a watch that I had never heard of or... No, no, no.
Everett For each our own. We each undertook the hunt for ourselves. We dove into the internet. We dove into forums. And I don't know, I can't describe what your search looked like because I imagine it had to be a little deeper than mine. But I think that we both... It involved a lot of internet. Yeah, internet. I mean, we both went through our normal process of searching for things, which I think was a good exercise for both of us, because I think we both get fixated on things that we like and get stuck there and hung up on it.
Andrew Well, I think it was, you know, it's Saturday now. I think we had planned this episode last Saturday, and it was about Wednesday. I texted you something to the effect of, I know all the watches. I can't do this.
Everett Yeah, right, motherfucker. You can find one. And lo and behold, here you have found one. And it was maybe a little bit easier for me.
Andrew I found two even. I found two. I thought, gosh, these are watches that I've never heard of. And actually, kind of surprised that I haven't heard of them, because these are both freaking cool watches. I cut one of them. I might mention it as an honorable mention, but.
Everett I found four, and it was today that I narrowed my list down to one. And interestingly enough, all four of them all fit kind of in the same And we can get into a little bit later, but same category or whatever, the same, yeah, the same vein of watch brand. And I think it really, I think it just, it, it stood out into the type of watches that I wasn't really familiar with.
Andrew Um, well, what, what about, I mean, what about the process before we get into the watches themselves? What, how did you go about finding a watch that you've never heard of?
Everett So the, so my process was hitting my, my first search was, uh, I think I Googled unknown quality watch brands. And that brought up a whole list of brands. And it brought up every website, every men's fashion, every gear to watch, every type of website like that. Everyone's done an article on, here's 31 watch brands you haven't heard of. Here's 15 watch brands you haven't heard of. Here's 10 watches that you ought to buy for under 200 bucks. So I started going through those, combing through those. And I'm like, OK, well, I'm familiar with this watch brand. I'm familiar with this watch brand. I started integrating watchuseek and other forums into it and looking at affordable watch reviews as a Google search. And just kind of paring down my list from there until finally I found a watch brand that I wasn't familiar with, saw it, looked through their portfolio, looked through their entire catalog of watches and was either underwhelmed or unimpressed or they just didn't speak to me. They just weren't quite quite what I was looking for. Okay, cool. I'd found a watch brand I wasn't familiar with, but I didn't find a watch that I could, that I would realistically buy this week. Uh, and I, I found a whole lot of those, a whole lot of watches that I was like, Oh, cool. Now I know this exists, but now what? I mean, it doesn't do any good for the purpose of this exercise. I don't, it's not a watch I want to buy. So sure. I mean, and I think the purpose of this exercise, at least for, For listeners who are getting to reap the benefits of it was to kind of see what that watch hunt looks like. And for me, it looked like an intense Google search of- All the Google. ... of affordable watch brands, of quality affordable watches, of perusing in the real definition of peruse watch forums.
Andrew Yeah, peruse, that's one of those words that people think it means almost the opposite of what it actually means. Really the opposite of what it means. Right, people think peruse means like skim, like peruse this, skim through this. No, that's not what it means. It means look at this in detail. Yeah. We are on a mission to make sure people correctly use the word peruse.
Everett And maybe later in our journey, we can talk about phenomena and phenomenon. That's a personal pet peeve of mine. The funk phenomenon. Yeah, but that's not the personal pet peeve.
Andrew Regardless, um, you know, the other one, the other one that gets me is sundry. People say a sundry of, it's not a sundry of, it's just sundry options. And in fact, I think sundry is one of those words that's been misused so prolifically that, that now the use has, the misuse has taken over to become an accepted use.
Everett I think Peruse fits that. Phenomenon fit that. I think language is an evolution.
Andrew We've screwed it up so many times that now the screwed up version is acceptable.
Everett I want to teach my kid his left and right are backwards. I want him to raise his right hand and say I'm left-handed. All truth is relative. Not really. Some things are facts.
Andrew Some things are facts.
Everett Anyway. Fake news. so that was mine it was it was armed with some knowledge of watches to go into the the bowels of the internet and search for something i was unfamiliar with and using the tools that i already knew i had at my disposal something like watch you speak watch you seek or watch you speak is the new website coming coming to you from 40 and 20 yeah 40 and 20 yep spring of 2019 uh watch you seek reddit the Google, Amazon, just anything that would have a database of already existing watches. Actually, in Amazon's, People Also Bought was a helpful tool, being able to look to related products that I might not be familiar with. It wasn't especially helpful for me, but it might be helpful for someone who's embarking on their first watch search, their first watch hunt to see related products, things that they maybe haven't seen before that people have also bought. I mean, I think that's a good tool. I don't know if I've ever, ever bought anything off Amazon on the people have also bought, because typically when I'm going to Amazon to pull the trigger, I'm going like, I know the reference number. I know what I'm buying when I go to Amazon, which is how I go to stores, how I buy cars. Like by the time I'm ready to pull the trigger, like I'm, I'm walking in to make a purchase. I'm not walking into shop.
Andrew Right. You're not going somewhere and say, tell me what to buy. You know what to buy. Yeah. You just need to find the place that has the best price.
Everett And frequently I'm like, yeah, now I'll know more about what I'm buying than the person trying to sell it to me. Like, look, don't talk to me. It's the worst. Stop, stop. Stop what you're doing. When I bought my last truck, I was in at the car dealership and the guy asked me, okay, what are you looking for? I said, well, I want to test drive this model. I want to test drive this car and I want to do this. And he goes, oh, it's really nice to have somebody who knows about trucks to be buying it because i don't know a whole lot about them i was like look bro all i the only reason i need you here is because i can't get the key myself also i don't know about trucks i just know about the truck that i want to buy so if you would please pull it up front so i could test drive it that too and in fairness i didn't buy the truck that i went to buy because the new the the brand new i was buying in march and the previous year's models were still in the lot i went to buy that guy was playing possum he played you you got played i I paid like $3,000 more for a truck with 88 miles on it.
Andrew I only paid $3,000 more. Everett? You can get a used day just for the amount of money you paid. I can get a couple. No, $3,000.
Everett Okay. For the difference. Okay. Yeah, no, that's fair. But I can't get a used day just for the amount of miles that I've put on it. So anyway, that was how I embarked on my hunt, leveraging the internet as a tool for for finding things. And a lot of it came down to, um, the, the, the keywords, uh, affordable watch brands. Um, and what I came down to was a handful of brands that all fit in the same category. None of them are doing in-house movements. They're all buying Japanese movements and then putting them in their design, their dial, their watches under their brand name.
Andrew So we're, we're actually at 4920 bringing you guys some revolutionary information here, but the Japanese do pretty good movements. Shocking. We didn't know about that before we started this, but now we know.
Everett And over the course of this, one thing that I did learn was how affordable, uh, just the movement itself is for Japanese courts. I mean, they'll, they'll range in price from 10, from 10 bucks for a, for a, for a reasonable Miyota movement. Right. Uh, to be able to buy in bulk and put in your design watch.
Andrew Even a Ronda, I mean, even the Swiss quartz movements, I mean, those things, you know, it's interesting to me to see the price disparity and finished product watches, you know, be it from a company like Seiko, which sells watches with their own movements or, uh, you know, uh, with these quartz micro-brand, you know, these quartz Kickstarter micro-brand watches that, you know, We're going to sell you a junk movement for $100 less versus a Ronda, you know, and you're paying a real premium for a Ronda when it's 10 bucks difference on eBay. I could get that movement for $10 more.
Everett It's crazy. Yeah. So you just add $10 to your purchase and plug in your Ronda movement to that watch.
Andrew But these companies aren't doing that. They say, Oh, no, you have to do that. You have to do that as a consumer. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's right. So my search is a little bit different. And we talked about this kind of early in the week. And part of the reason is I think that I maybe follow the, I'm maybe a little bit more of an aggressive miner than you are in terms of my internet mining. I spend probably too much time every week on watch or seek forums or on Reddit, tracking, you know, what's new on Kickstarter. what's sort of new and upcoming from these micro brands. And so just in my, just in my day to day internet travels, I come across probably quite a bit of the, the new cool stuff coming out. So this, this episode was tough for me. You, you propose this idea and I thought, Oh yeah, that sounds fun. And then, you know, halfway through the week, I was like, this isn't really fun. I'm feeling Well, I'm feeling like this is, this is a harder, um, a harder subject than I, than I wanted. Uh, I did find a couple of resources that actually, um, made it easier. The, the first one was the time button.com. This guy, I don't know him at all. I've never met him. Um, but he, he has a blog called the time, but not time bomb.com. Am I getting that right? Boobies. So he's got a blog called the time bomb. Easy to find and if you're and if you're into it, you probably already know him But he I don't think there's anyone else running an independent blog who does as much sort of independent Review of new and upcoming watches and models His his reviews are all super thoughtful He takes good pictures, I mean, they're not the best pictures on the internet, but they're but they're really very good He gets great sharpness, good detail, good, good, good sort of macro level detail. Um, not afraid to, you know, he's an independent, he's an independent blogger. I don't know if he makes some or any money off of, off of this venture, but I don't think there's anybody out there making more thoughtful, uh, thoughtful sort of new specific new watch reviews than, than timebomb.com. that was a fantastic resource for me. And in fact, I found a watch that didn't make my final list, but that led me to my final list on time bomb. Um, but, but really I had to sort of be more, more, uh, diligent about my mining. Cause I couldn't, you know, going to, going to the same articles that you pulled up, you know, 10, 15 or 10 watch brands you'd never heard of. I've read those articles, um, or, or, or I've read about those brands through some other medium. So that, I found that to be a little, um, it's only frustrating in the context of trying to make, of trying to make, uh, this episode happen. Um, not frustrating in the grand scheme of things. Uh, the, the, the other thing I did is I found, um, the other thing I did is I went to a couple of different watchmakers that have really deep catalogs.
Everett And I scrolled through, um, bestselling reverse order.
Andrew Yeah, right. Well, and in fact, yeah, the watch I finally ended on comes from a Chinese company that has a phenomenal catalog, a tremendous, tremendously deep catalog. And, you know, scrolling through there and sort of getting through the chaff to find a watch, it wound up being a pretty fun process. And then at the end of the day, I had two watches. I thought, well, these are two different watches that I'd never heard of. In one case, I've heard of the Maker and the other I hadn't. But in any event, each of the watches in and of themselves were something so unique and so different that I thought, this is cool. And I'm having a hard time deciding between the two. Ultimately, I picked one and mostly I picked it based on price. We talked about this. One of the watches was probably more expensive than something I'd feel comfortable buying right now. And the other one's closer to that. Cool. Yeah. What'd you pick? Well, so I picked a watch, uh, uh, good, good lead in. I picked a watch from a company called Siegel. Siegel, I think is the largest manufacturer of watches in the world. I don't know that for sure.
Everett And if it isn't, it's a very widely known watch brand by people who are interested in watches.
Andrew Well, and I think in China, it's sort of the watch brand, right? You know, China's got a handful of watch brands, but Siegel makes tons and tons and tons and tons of watches. And they make a handful of watches that I think are sort of cool mainstream watches. We've talked about the 1963 a lot. It's actually up on the computer right now. Yeah, that's right. And that got into my consciousness through HKED, but that's a Siegel watch, and it's a historical Siegel watch. But yeah, so a company that just makes a ton of watches. And there's a ton of people in China. Like there's more than a ton, more than a ton. Yeah. There's a couple tons worth of people in China. So, uh, this is a watch that I'd never heard of. And actually I'm kind of surprised that I haven't heard of it. This is called the 51 or the Seagull Wu Yi. My, my daughter is learning Chinese. Well, both of my children are learning Chinese, but my daughter's a little older. She's got a little bit better grasp of the language. And I asked her, what does Wu Yi mean? She kind of looked at me funny. means May, May 1st, maybe, uh, which is exactly right. Oh, look at that. Nailed it. The monies are paying off. It's public school, man. Um, so nailed it. Basically knew exactly what it means. May 1 is the Chinese, uh, day where they celebrate the labor movement. I think it's similar to our labor day. I won't overtalk that because I don't know a ton about it. Um, this is actually, And you'll have to forgive me. Someone out there listening is going to know more about this than I do. I hope so. And you're going to correct me on this. And please do, because reading about this watch, it seems like there's a lot of hyperbole in the lore about this watch. But this is a watch that is a direct descendant of the very first wristwatch sold in China. Okay. There was four dudes in Tianjin, China. who got together and decided to start making watches in or about the early 1950s. They made this watch. This watch. The very first wristwatch in China. In the 50s? In the 50s, right? Which is crazy to me. How's that possible? And I think that we think of China as this very well-developed manufacturing and technologically advanced culture, but that's a fairly new development. in the grand scheme of things. But yeah, so this is a direct descendant of the first wristwatch made in China, Four Guys in Tianjin. It was kind of short-lived. It didn't go a whole lot of time before I think Dong Feng revived it with a little bit different flavor and then eventually the full full on on air collapse.
Everett Dong Feng.
Andrew OK. Yeah. So later, you know, eventually sort of remade by a different company in the 70s, I think, revived by Segal that at that point, sort of the new national watch company, Segal. This is a reissue of that watch. This is the Seagull 1951 or not 1950. This is the Seagull 51 Wuyi reissue. And I think this was reissued in 2015. So it's a couple years old now. Um, but I can't believe I haven't found this watch because it's so freaking cool.
Everett It is. And it it's, it's beautiful. It's got that gold dial. It's got the red. The red in the second hand.
Andrew I mean, so the first thing I noticed about this watch is the logo. This stylized circular 51 logo, which is both retro and super modern. Uh, the stylized five overlaid on the one it, this does not look to me like a, you know, cheap Chinese type. This is a Madison Avenue type of, of logo. Really cool. 60s you know that that sort of mid-century flavor to it uh the size on this is great 38 millimeters 11 millimeters thick with a with a domed crystal or a semi-domed crystal sapphire brushed metallic dial it's got this you know what i'd call a sunburst champagne dial uh this thing is unapologetically chinese uh without a doubt unapologetically the i i'm pretty sure that the that the characters on the on the lower half of the dowry made in Tianjin, China. Um, you know, unapologetically Chinese, I think is the best way to put it, but very modern, very classic, timeless sort of, of timeless sort of appeal. I think, and you're right, that second hand, that red tip on the second hand, that big sort of arrow.
Everett I love it. And even being unapologetically Chinese, no one looking at that watch on your wrist would recognize it as such. It looks, it is not, it's not loud, it's not bold, it's a really simple gold dial, really classic markers on it.
Andrew Yeah, it's not like the 1963 where you get this sort of communist vibe. There's no red star, there's no, yeah. But within, you know, even with that, 51 is the celebration of the Chinese labor movement. uh so so it's both things one it is uh very chinese but but aesthetically it's it's not doing the same type of thing that the 1963 is so you you know i think your point is you could put this on wear it downtown and no one's going to no one's going to look twice at it i mean just a watch person and then you found a friend that's right find a friend uh other thing i love about this the watch the the engraving on the case back It's got that Chinese really angular screw-off case back, but the engraving on it is very Spartan. It's got that same 51 logo, but it's not heavily stylized. The font is this kind of oversized sans serif, made in China, made in Tianjin, China. It's just simple in all the ways that I want to watch to be simple.
Everett But beautiful in this really understated way and on that on that view you can see how what a clean transition it is to the crown There's no It's just it's a really flush crown. It's I that stood out to me immediately when I was looking at the case back to it. It was it's it just just is Flush to it. It's clean. It doesn't stand out. It doesn't look it's gonna snag on anything. It's a I mean, like you said, a very unapologetically Chinese utilitarian watch.
Andrew Now, and so just looking at this watch, right, really aesthetically pleasing. Uh, it's polished in all the right places, brushed in all the right places. Uh, nothing, nothing about it is over the top. Um, you know, I think if I was going to criticize it, the one criticism I'd have just looking at it top down, it's got a white date wheel. on an otherwise really understated, fairly dressy dial. I think that white date window takes a little bit something away for me. Um, but you know, your mileage may vary on that.
Everett I think it has the Chinese charm.
Andrew Yeah. No, there's something about that. Now here's where things get interesting. Oh, that's got an ST 2130 movement in it, which is seagulls. sort of middle high movement. It's a 28, eight beat per minute frequency. It's got a high beat movement in it. That is going to have a very smooth sweeping secondhand automatic tried and true ST 2130 movement. This thing's freaking cool. You put in a cheaper, you know, maybe a hand cranker or any other 21 six beat movement in here, and it's still going to be a cool watch. Add that 2130 and all of a sudden this watch is a sleeper. 200 bucks. So I've got this pulled up on goodstuffs.com. Good-stuffs.com. I don't know this website. I think it's credible-ish. It's got free shipping. Free shipping. That means it's good. No, I think this is a fine website. I sort of looked around. You can get this for, I think, $225 from Siegel directly. I'd feel comfortable personally, I'd feel comfortable, you know, your mileage may vary, but your mileage may vary. I'd feel comfortable ordering it from good stuff.com for 25 bucks less or whatever, but 200 bucks, 28, eight dress watch, perfect size, beautiful, cool history. I mean, how many watches have the level of history that this one does? I direct descendant of the very first wristwatch in China. I'm not, I'm not, into Chinese watches any more than the next guy. I'm not particularly interested in Chinese watches, but the history of this I think is as cool as any other watch history that I've heard.
Everett A history alone warrants a conversation and a piece in a collection.
Andrew I mean... I mean, it's up there in my mind with the Pole Jad or the Strela. Right. Yeah, the 3133. 3133 chronograph movements or, you know, it's not... It's not like a Paul Newman Daytona or something, but cool, cool, cool on its own right. So I really like this. I think it's neat. This is the watch I picked.
Everett And within the confines of this exercise of a watch you're unfamiliar with and could buy today. I mean, there's plenty of watches that I'm sure we both came across that we were unfamiliar with that couldn't, we couldn't buy today. We're not even talking 10 sales pitch. We're talking. 10 years of sales pitches and a couple of lottery wins and then it's a reasonable conversation. But for an everyday, I think you could even almost call this like a beater, just a watch you throw on your wrist and you could wear it almost in any circumstance. I mean, short of doing yard work.
Andrew Well, and God forbid something gets stolen or you lose something or whatever, but if this gets stolen, It's not, it's not going to break your heart. You can save up 200 bucks and get another one or, or, or just say, gosh, I really enjoyed the time I had with that cool watch. You know, it's, it's not a heartbreaker. You're not going to get special insurance for it. Um, you know, so, so your point's well taken, right? This is, and if you had $60,000 to spend on a watch that you'd never heard of, I think this exercise becomes a lot different than it was for you or I. Very.
Everett And we didn't set a price limit, but, you know, I think... We did in the way of a watch that we could realistically buy today.
Andrew Right, right. So, so the no, no actual dollar figure amount, but, but we want something, we wanted to find something that is accessible immediately. And in fact, I picked, uh, I picked two watches that I, that I kind of narrowed down and this one because I could buy this today and my wife might get mad,
Everett You know, we're just not gonna leave me probably probably not not over not over that I mean the other watch maybe right so well, I mean, I think if I think you're staying south of 300 It's a conversation of hey, I got this watch this thing. I did this thing Ever we're still gonna we're still gonna be able to rent like all of our bills remain paid I just you know, that's the watch I'm gonna buy for a while
Andrew We just have to take it on easy on the Olive Garden this month. Yeah, exactly.
Everett Exactly. And I'll bring over more beer. We can, you know, we can mitigate costs that way.
Andrew So I didn't order this, but I think it's, it's definitely on my short list. Uh, the 28, the 28, eight beats per minute movement for me was the, was the, the tipping point into, holy shit, this is cool. That's a game changer. How is this that I have not run into this watch, uh, Siegel as a brand. I think is controversial and maybe recently more controversial than historically it was. I don't know enough about the way Chinese businesses work to speak with any sort of authority on this topic, but I understand that Siegel is not the same type of business as, say, Shinola is here, where it's not a centrally located operation with top-down management structures. how it's different i don't know um and you know maybe that's something we can talk about in another episode after we have an opportunity to educate ourselves but all that to say seagull as a company has released some watches that are controversial in our community which is to say the micro brand sort of affordable micro brand community i think avig watches very cool company very cool watches avig watches was working with a Seagull OEM to make some new watches. And I don't know what happened. I don't know all the details. I think if you Google this, you'll be able to find more than I could ever tell you. But there's some controversy about Seagull probably taking designs from Avig and marketing them as their own watch before Avig brought those watches to market.
Everett That sounds like good business to me.
Andrew Sketchy as fuck is what it is. uh and and yucky right it's i think everybody who who reads about this or knows about this can agree it's yucky so within that is seagull uh a bad company seagull's huge seagull is this huge huge company that runs much differently than than american businesses or western businesses so i don't know if that's if i'm saying that by way of apology for having picked the seagull watch that you know knowing what i know about things that seagull has done I'm glad that's all you got to say about that because I've got something in a little bit different vein. I've got a Jack Mason.
Everett racing chronograph. Jack Mason. Yeah. And it is, uh, as we talked about earlier, it is one of the companies that's buying Japanese movements, uh, designing their own watches, plugging a third party movement into their watch and making attractive, um, movements with a, or attractive watches with quality quartz movements on it. And, and really what I, what I was going for in this was, In my exercise of finding a watch that I wasn't familiar with, that I could reasonably buy, I was pretty much resigned to the fact that I wasn't going to find a super cool, super special watch. So I almost deliberately went into this vein of watch brands, buying a third party movement and designing a, just a good looking watch, a watch that could, that I could throw on my wrist, that's going to look good, that I know is going to work for five to ten years, maybe more, but if it dies in five years, I'm not going to be especially disappointed. And that's what I came up with. I came up with this racing chrono with this cool leather strap on it. And that was really my driver was finding an aesthetically pleasing watch that told me the time that would just be a daily banger and into my lineup of watches that might not get wrist time every day or even every week, but would land on my wrist occasionally. And I would feel good about wearing it. It's an American company. They're based out of, uh, Texas. It was two guys who wanted to start a watch company. And, uh, this is what they came up with. They're buying Japanese quartz movements. And I, like I've, like I've talked about, I'm, I, I don't have any, any reservations about quartz movements. I mean, they're extremely accurate. They're there, uh, you know, at their time, you know, as, as the watch, uh, interested people have, Evolved quartz movements peaked and then quickly took a dip and we're in a we're in an era of people appreciating Automatics and it's got to be this beautiful craftsmanship and I'm totally cool with a watch being just on the technology of Still still hanging its laurels on the technology of quartz I think that there's I think there's something to be said for
Andrew you know, different levels of, of watch appreciation. You know, the, there's this idea that when you don't know anything about watches, you think Rolex is the coolest watch.
Everett Cause it's got a sweeping hand and Rolex is the only brand that's got a sweeping second hand.
Andrew Everyone knows that. Everybody knows that. And then as you get into watches, you drift away from that. Cause you can't afford it. A, because you can't afford it, and B, because you find that there's this whole world of watches that aren't Rolex that are really cool. And I think that that's true at whatever price point you're coming in at. You know, there's cooler $6,000 watches, and then there's sure as hell cooler $10,000 or $25,000 watches. But eventually, people come back to Rolex because they do really good things. They, they have this entire in-house ecosystem. Um, they really do drive a lot of the trends in, in modern watchmaking and they do it in a really well, um, in, in a really refined and attractive and simple way. So, you know, eventually those people who askew Rolex at some level, come back and say, gosh, this is actually pretty cool. And I, and I like what they've done here, even if you're not going to buy a rainbow Daytona. you still might realize that actually the Datejust is one of the coolest watches that's ever been made or whatever it is. It might not be the Datejust, maybe it's a Milsub, whatever. I think the same thing is true for quartz. I think that when people don't know anything about watches, they buy quartz watches just because that's what you can find by and large. And they're typically affordable. They're affordable. And pragmatically speaking, You can't buy a more accurate watch than a quartz watch. I mean, maybe, um, a spring drive or something like that is going to, is going to be approaching that level, but for 7,000 bucks entry level on a spring drive, you know, I can go to Walmart and get a F91W for 15 bucks.
Everett Oh, you're going to come across a thousand quartz movements before you reach at price points before you reach the first
Andrew Automatic, even more than that. Right, right, right. So that's the point is that eventually, you know, most people when they come into the watch world decide, I like automatics because automatics are cooler. And maybe I'm maybe I'm misphrasing that. And in fact, I would say, watching you sort of develop into your into your appreciation of watches, I think that you have kind of uniquely eschewed that, that shift away, you've always dug eco drive, you've always dug uh, you know, quartz movements in a way. And I was guilty of it when I started looking at watches, there was probably a period of time where I would not have even looked at a quartz watch. And even today, you know, I've got, we were just goofing around with my, my Seiko BFK and the tick on that thing still bugs me a little bit. Um, there's other things that bug me about that watch. It's kinetic, which is kind of a pig in terms of, you know, battery life. Well, it's heavy and, and, and just keeping it charged up, I find cumbersome, but, um, the tick of the second hand has always bugged me a little bit. Um, because I, I made that decision pretty early on that automatics were cooler, uh, or, or mechanical movements were cooler. So, but I think at some point people start to shift back, you know, uh, especially with chronographs, the, the Mecca quartz movements. I don't, I think in, in, in terms of chronographs in particular, that Mecca quartz movement is. doing things just like a mechanical watch, but with the added benefit of quartz crystals and battery power. It's pretty cool. The technology is great. The development of the technology is great. And this, I think, is an iteration of that philosophy, right?
Everett I mean, I think so. It's a chronograph. It's an affordable chronograph. What's the price on it?
Andrew The normal retail is what this says, but I think these are typically a little bit more than that.
Everett Typical retails at 275 on there. And it's it's a good looking chronograph. It's got that white dial. It's got the two black sub dials in a in a like a sunburst silver sub dial for for the minutes. And it's it's just a good looking chronograph. And that was kind of that was really where I was looking just for for a watch that I could realistically buy today that that looks good. And it is affordable. And I came across a handful of, of watches all in, in this price category, which I, which I, I didn't plan on, but just happened in this, in this, uh, kind of niche niche micro brand of, of folks who are buying these Japanese quartz movements to drop into their, their designed watches, whether it be Armagon or aviate or triwa. They're all just these companies who are utilizing this resource at their disposal to create and corner their piece of the market of this highly competitive and highly saturated market that is watches. And I ended up gravitating towards, very unintentionally, four chronographs of companies like this who are using I think three of them were using the exact same movement, and all what it came down to was their design of how they presented it to the consumer. And this is what I ultimately settled with in a good-looking chronograph that I know isn't going to be the state-of-the-art technology. I know it's not going to be the best watch that I own, and nor will it be the best watch that I will ever own. But for the purposes of this exercise, it's an attractive, aesthetically pleasing,
Andrew reliable affordable watch well and i don't see that it's any different than what uh dan henry is doing no you know dan henry is a company that gets lots of play on the forums and on reddit and um has the has the street cred and i think part of that is because dan henry the person actually named dan henry is one of the most diligent uh watch collectors probably in the world and has more experience handling vintage watches than just about anybody alive, but but with but except for that piece of His brand, you know except for that part of what his brand is he's making cheap Chinese watches with Japanese movements and And selling them for not a lot of money and they look so good and they look fantastic The people who have them love them If they break, you call him up and he fixes it. You know, and I don't know about, I don't know about Jack Mason's customer service. Um, but, but what I do know is that they're in that good price point. They're not overcharging. They are, are selling affordable watches that look good, that have quality movements. I will say it bothers me when I go to their webpage and I can see Japanese movement, racing chronograph, 42 millimeters, Movement Japanese Quartz. Well, I assume that means Miyota? Almost certainly.
Everett Or Seiko? Probably Miyota. The other three that I was looking at were all using Miyota.
Andrew And that's fine, but just tell me what fucking movement it is. I don't care what it is. That's reasonable.
Everett Just tell me what it is. One real gripe I have about this website is that when using a Mac, there's not an X on their subscribe to our newsletter. function. It pops up when you click on the watch and you can't close the damn thing.
Andrew The best thing that's happened tonight is watching Andrew.
Everett You gotta, I'm clicking all over the place like a crazy, like a, like a troglodyte. And I ultimately ended up backing out because that was the only way to close the subscribe to our newsletter function, which bother, like was bothersome.
Andrew Well, looking at the watch itself, I'll say, uh, there's nothing particularly, Um, it, it, it, there's nothing particularly earth shattering about it. Pedestrian. I wouldn't call it pedestrian though, because the, the styling on the, the styling on the, on the sub dials, um, the font has this really nice, uh, throwback look to it. You know, I would call that a sixties sort of font. Um, the, the date window is, is tucked in. You almost don't see it unless you're looking for it. Um, It's a little bit busy, but not in a way that's offensive to me at least. It's busy in the way a chronograph ought to be. That's right. That's right. I really like this crown. I really like this knurling on the crown.
Everett And there's some detailing on the end of the crown that is also... Yeah, it's a signed... It's a signed star crown. I mean, it looks like the Converse All-Star crown on it. It's a good looking watch, but it's nothing... Earth shattering. It's, I think pedestrians appropriate for it. It, no, no one's going to compliment you on your watch and no one's going to look at it.
Andrew No one, no one compliments me on my watch anyway.
Everett That's fair. But no one's also going to look at it and be like, Ooh, the fuck are you wearing that for? Um, but yeah, I mean, just a, just a good looking watch and it fits the, it fits the bill that we're, that we're looking for a watch that I'm not heard of that I could buy today. I could, I could order this right now. and go home, and it might take three days before my wife asked, hey, what's this? And I'd show her the watch, because it'd probably be on my wrist by that point. I'd be like, oh yeah, it's this watch.
Andrew It was $100. Yeah. Right? If it's $137, I think you can get away with saying it's $100. Yeah. Versus if it's $185.
Everett That's closer, too. Yeah. That rounding happens quickly, and the mood that occurs from $100 to $149 is so different from $151 to $199.
Andrew And this one's on sale $275 MSRP to $137. I bet you can pick this up for $135. But what you can say is, it was on sale. It was basically $100.
Everett It's usually $275. That's the route I would go with that convert. That's how I'd frame that.
Andrew Super good deal. I couldn't pass.
Everett That's how I'd frame that. It's usually $275. But it's a good looking watch. And I mean, I don't know that I would have any complaints about it. It's 42 millimeters. It's maybe a little big, but that's a pretty standard for a chrono. I mean, it's not going to be the best. It's not going to be the best, but that's OK.
Andrew You know, what do you think about the the the case back? It's got a well, first, it's got some pretty nice engraving. I think it's got a what do you call those things? Dremel? No. The things steering wheel steering wheel. Yeah. It's got a steering wheel on it. The engraving on the case back is nice. It doesn't look to me like it's probably particularly deep, which whatever. It might be like... It's probably laser etched. Laser etched. But I don't know what I think about the... It's got four screws to hold the case back in. I don't know enough about the functionality or the physics of that. What I do know is that most of these higher water resistance Casebacks are using a screw case back. I've seen this a couple times recently What why your company is doing this is that is there an advantage to it?
Everett It occurs to me that it's likely that they're just they're finding that people buy their watch and stop wearing it when the battery dies So they made it more accessible. So they don't have to buy a tool. They just they find a I mean in in all likelihood They find a butter knife because they don't have a screw a jeweler screwdriver and pop it off your place about screws You're not gonna do that with a butter knife You can find a way and you're going to fuck it up. I mean, I had to come to your house to get a spanner to replace a screw back for one of my wife's watches.
Andrew I can't remember what it was I was doing recently, but I needed to. Oh, I know what it was. When I had that Emperor Diver prototype in, I was sizing the bracelet and I didn't have a flathead small enough and I took I had an old set of Stanley... He probably shouldn't say this. ...micro screwdrivers. No, I did a good job. I had an old set of Stanley micro screwdrivers and I, uh, took an emery board to one of them and shaped the flathead so it would be small enough. I just sort of ground it on one side and turned it over and ground it on the other side. But, um, you know, this, these tiny screwdrivers are not, I mean, it seems like it might be more accessible, but I don't know that it really is.
Everett It's not less accessible. It's far more accessible than having to go buy a tool off Amazon.
Andrew Yeah. I mean, bottom line, if you don't have the ability to change the battery at home, take it to Fred Meyer or Walmart or whatever, and they're going to be able to change that thing for $10. I think it's just that trip to Walmart, or maybe Walmart doesn't have a jeweler's counter anymore.
Everett I chose to come to your house and fiddle fuck with a tool over going to Walmart. Or Fred Meyer.
Andrew Well, cause I have all that shit. Come on over. I probably have the battery you need too. Did I? No, I brought the battery. Oh, I've got also, I, when I buy batteries for a, for a watch, I always get them on five. So I have four of them laying around, but that means I have like 50 batteries for watches that some of them I don't even know anymore.
Everett Whatever, whatever. I like it.
Andrew It's a cool watch, man. Hey, uh, I think that that's, that's the challenge to, That's the challenge to doing this thing to trying to find a watch that maybe we haven't heard of, you know, and we're people that are into watches. So, um, you know, what about you guys? Are there any watches that, that you guys feel like, you know, that maybe we don't know, or watches that you found in your, um, online searches? Let us know. We'd love to talk about them because we, we are both, really excited to learn about new things you know learning about each other's watches was fun for us this week you know oh man that's cool you know i i like that so so what is it that you have let us know um we run a thread on on watchuseek.com where we basically post our new episodes and and talk to folks if they have anything to say about the episodes also you can hit us up on instagram but what sort of watches that you've never heard of are out there What are you buying? What are you looking at? We'd love to talk about it.
Everett And that would help any of our listeners who are listening for the purpose of getting into watches. We're by no means the experts on helping people get into their watch world. We're going to have to leverage your experience on exposing people to the affordable watch world, the affordable watch brands, and why $175 is a reasonable investment for somebody for a watch.
Andrew Well, yeah, yeah, right. I think that's right. That's right on it. Hey, Andrew, have you ever heard of the Trojan City of Tenea?
Everett Uh, no, but actually I did just see an article on, uh, on something related to the Trojan City of Tenea in Greece.
Andrew Yeah. You, you did see the article?
Everett We may be talking about the same article. I didn't, in fairness, I didn't read the whole thing. I just saw that something, may or may not have happened regarding a previously legendary city and is now a historical city.
Andrew So it's been a few weeks now, but there's a there's a city that's been of lore, of lore, of lore. It was a city, I think, at least in in terms of the the popular mythology started by prisoners, Trojan prisoners like Australia called exactly Australia.
Everett If you're from Australia, is that right? I don't know they say ours at the end like I don't know don't they?
Andrew My grandma used to say Warsh the close I say used to my grandma's still alive So she still says Warsh the close gross.
Everett Is that a Midwest thing Warsh? No, I had a first grade teacher who said Washington she born and raised in Oregon, Washington gross.
Andrew Where does that come from? What is that? What is that?
Everett I've always told people Because I spent a lot of time in the south and with people are like who are from the south I have always said that outside of the Willamette Valley of Portland from like, or of Oregon from Portland to Eugene, outside of that is Appalachia. You will not, you could meet folk from Eastern Oregon and not differentiate them from folks from West Virginia. And it takes them coming here and meeting those people to realize that Oregon is every bit as rural as the Bible Belt and Appalachia. Appalachia?
Andrew Appalachia. All right. I think Warsh is an affectation. I don't think it's an accent. But how did we get there?
Everett I don't know. We're talking about Tenea.
Andrew Well, they found this place. So there's an archaeologist who back in the 80s found a piece of a town. And she thought, I think this might be Tenea. And she published uh, an article and, uh, started doing research on what might be this lost Trojan city. It's an ear. Her name's Elena Corka. I don't know if I'm saying that right or not. Frankly, I'm not inclined to care much.
Everett We're also bad at pronunciation, especially Andrew.
Andrew Uh, but since the mid eighties or so, she's been looking for this place. They think they found it. So I think 2013 they started doing research. There's a number of articles, 2013 or so, they started actually digging in the place that they thought it might be, and they think they found it. So I think what they found so far is about a 620 square meter area that they've narrowed down that might be this place. 620 square meters doesn't sound like a lot to me. Not to be a city. I mean, it's like the size of a bank.
Everett I guess. I don't know about bank square footage.
Andrew It's probably about 620-ish. So they found this place. They think maybe it was kind of a wealthy place. If their bank is 620 square meters, yeah. That's right. That's right. I read a couple articles on this. I'll probably post one or two of them. It's interesting. It's super interesting. If you're into archaeology, if you're into old Greek
Everett Things maybe check it out or any archaeology. I was reading a paper it's been a year or so where they were charting the expansion of Vikings and they were looking for Viking cities in The Atlantic coast of Canada and they they were pretty confident at the time. I read this article that they had discovered Temporary settlements in Canada of Viking expansion and that's such a fascinating topic to to be able to unearth cultural expansion throughout the world. I love that kind of stuff.
Andrew Yeah, I mean if I had been smarter or more diligent maybe I'd be a scientist but I was neither smart or diligent. Same-sies. I now podcast about watches. Yeah, that's the peak of my existence. So we're talking about other things I guess at this point, right?
Everett Yeah.
Andrew The other thing, the other, other thing that popped up for me this week, uh, again, I don't think this is a new article, but it kind of hit home for me. There's a website polygon.com. If you haven't checked it out, you should. It's a cool sort of other things type of website. They've always had interest in stuff. Um, but this is an article. It's an interview with a man named Joe Murray. Joe Murray was the creator of Rocco's modern life. Ooh. Which was a cartoon that was near and dear to my heart as a child. And mine. Rocko's Modern Life was one of these, uh, cartoons that, you know, before, um, before South Park or, or, you know, these, these really sort of modern irreverent cartoons. Rocko's Modern Life was a true kid's show, right? Where, uh, a eight, nine, 10 year old could watch it Um, but also an adult could watch it and gain appreciation that the, the writing and it was, was advanced enough that I've gone back now as an adult and watched Rocco's Modern Life and been able to relate to humor. And even, you know, I think Rocco's Modern Life is kind of like Ren and Stimpy in, in the, in the way that it gets appreciated in retrospect as being kind of irreverent or, um, tongue in cheek, adult, scandalous humor. Um, But it was good even for an eight or nine year old who didn't know what the heck they were talking about. It's an interview on poly.com with Joe Murray who created that. Allegra Frankreich wrote the article. I don't know if she also did the interview or not, but discussing the sort of early days of Nickelodeon, The Irreverence, Red and Stimpy, Rock with Modern Life, what they were doing. Super cool article. We'll put some notes in the show notes. Really fun. What about you?
Everett We already talked about my fly rod hunt. Oh yeah. Uh, cause I, like we talked about, I'm looking for a salmon steelhead rod. So that's about it.
Andrew I'm... Echo Fly Rods people. Yeah. Seriously, such a cool company.
Everett They've, they've, that's, that's been the, the big gravitational force in my hunt.
Andrew And I, I use a lot of... Anything from, anything from Redington that's popped up?
Everett I've, I've obviously looked at a lot of Redington. Um, but I, for some reason keep circling back to, The Echo line and I use a lot of Cabela's stuff and we've talked about this is between Cabela's brand and REI brand. You can do damn near anything.
Andrew That's true. And both those companies are so diligent about making sure they're only putting their names, their brands on really fairly high quality. You know, I've had REI rain shells. I've had Eddie Bauer rain shells, Patagonia. What's the other one? What's the poor man's Patagonia? Marmot. Marmot. Yeah. I've had rain shells from all four of those companies. They all have performed relatively the same, but the REI was 30% cheaper or so than any of the rest of them. And you get the dividend. And you get the dividend. And I think Cabela's does the same exact thing.
Everett Less dividend. There's been some changes since Bass Pro acquired them, but I mean, between those two brands, you can do almost Anything. I've, I've not felt limited by any of my REI Co-op or any of my Cabela's brand stuff.
Andrew Co-op.
Everett Co-op.
Andrew Co-op sounds like a dance. It is a dance.
Everett I don't know if you've seen it, but do it right now. Um, any of my REI Co-op, uh, products or any of my Cabela's products, uh, the fly rod I use right now is one of the Cabela's branded, uh, trout rods. And I've not. It's super good rod.
Andrew I like it. It's fun fishing.
Everett I've not felt limited by any of this stuff that they. that they put their label on. Moving away from a Cabela's brand has been almost discomforting for me, but I'm trying to branch out. Like I said, Echo's been kind of the hub of my search. I go out and I find another one and I look and I look and I look and I research and I hunt the same way I did for this and keep
Andrew Finding my way back to echo and I think that's probably a purchase here in the next couple weeks I think echo comes in just slightly above Cabela's or you know, we brought up Reddington. I think Reddington competes really directly with with Cabela's Reddington does things a little bit differently than Cabela's does but I think Their products usually line up really closely. I think echo comes in just a little bit above
Everett I think so too. And I think it's evident in the way that consumers talk about them. And that's really what's driving mine is at least my consumer reviews is Echo seems to have the edge right now. And ultimately, I think that's kind of where I think my mind's made up and I was coming to you for some reassurance. But yeah, I think Echo's got my mind made up. All right, man.
Andrew You got anything else today?
Everett I think that's it. I don't know if we've gone long or not. I'm still looking at this Jack Mason, but I still want to talk about the 1972.
Andrew Do it. Let's talk about it. So, so the only other thing I want to talk about before we go, uh, and we have been trying to, I have been trying to talk about this thing for what, since like episode three, where we went long and didn't have any other things, but, um, and I actually don't even know when you're going to hear this, but the Dan Henry, 1972, Dan Henry is a company that we like very much. a friend of 40 and 20, even if they don't know it.
Everett He doesn't know it yet, but he is. He's our friend.
Andrew He's our friend. He's our friend. Dan, you're our friend. Dan Henry, 1972. This is a reissue, not a reissue. This is an homage to the Porsche Orfina, the original Porsche Orfina chronograph. And it is, in my mind, the most exciting watch that's come out in 2019, 2018. I suspect for me, unless something really fucking cool comes out, It'll be the most exciting watch for all of 2019. It's a tweener. It's between. It's 2018. Don't.
Everett If we're covering it, it's not going to happen. I'm not going to give it to you.
Andrew Okay. So look, this is, this is an homage to the original Porsche Ofina. Oh, that's not it.
Everett That's a 1939. Also a good looking watch.
Andrew This is an homage to the original Porsche Orifina. You know, Porsche Orifina is Porsche design is a company that is kind of weird, right? Porsche makes cars. Everybody knows what a Porsche 911 is. Um, but Porsche design is a, is a company that is dedicated specifically to designing things like watches or, or other tools that you might use. It's not, it's not the car company. They came out with their original watch in 1972 and these watches are not cheap. You cannot find an original Porsche Orfino for probably less than about five grand, maybe three grand. Dan Henry in his infinite wisdom has made an homage to these and they nailed it. They nailed it. Yeah. So one thing I've always hated, not hated, the one thing that's always sort of, uh, let me put it this way. The thing that's kept me from purchasing a Dan Henry watch is their use of vintage lume. Every single watch it seems like that Dan Henry's ever come out with has vintage loom. I think that the 64s are better in that regard. But they still have this really sort of vintage look to them. When Dan Henry announced these 72s, they have both a stainless white loom version as well as a DLC or PVD vintage loom version. The DLC version is actually true to the original. That original came out, I think it might have been the first ever black watch that was mass marketed. Feel free to correct us if we're wrong. Yeah, feel free to correct us. Dan Henry has come out with this both in a DLC vintage loom version and a regular stainless white loom version. And I'll be damned if that stainless steel white loom version isn't the coolest watch that came out in 2018. 350 bucks. They're not a ton of money. That's 350 bucks is a reach for some folks. Uh, a reach for some folks. It's sort of in the sort of middle range of, of what I might think about buying. I think this is it, man. It it's gonna, it's a chronograph alarm. You know, Dan Henry's known for his use of Mecca quartz, not a Mecca quartz. This is a regular quartz chronograph, but it's got an alarm function. Uh, it's got an indication for the alarm function. It's got this beautiful sandwich dial. Sapphire crystal. It's just a beautiful watch. 41 millimeters, 20 millimeter lugs. It does have hooded lugs, so you're going to be able to stick just about anything in there and make it beautiful. I will say this H-Link bracelet is pretty great.
Everett I sort of wish the second hand on the stainless was red also.
Andrew And you know, that's maybe something you could take up with Dan, you know, next time you're hanging out.
Everett Hey Dan. Do you think you can make a 40 and 20 specific stainless with a red secondhand?
Andrew When do you think that's going to happen? When do you think we're going to have our first 40 and 20 like branded?
Everett When we go to Undone and make one?
Andrew Yeah. Yeah, that might be true. That might be the first and last. You guys want to cross market with us. We have 140 Instagram followers. We are basically influencers.
Everett We're basically Ryan Gosling.
Andrew Yeah. 140. I checked it earlier today. I'm checking right now. This watch is freaking cool, man.
Everett Freaking cool. You want to hear the current count? What is it? 142. 142.
Andrew We gained two followers. Look, we are Instagram movers and shakers. And so, you know, you want to come in, cross market with us, Mr. Henry. We got you. We got you. This is it, though, dude. This is the watch. I'm buying this watch. I don't think I'm going to buy another watch before I buy this one. I probably will. I actually think that this is the one like, this is one of the first watches that I've seen. The last one that the last watch that I felt this way about was the HK in 1963 where I was like, I can't do anything else before I get this watch. Um, it, yeah, this is, this is it for, for me, this is my next watch. So I need to put some money away and get it and get it. I need to put some money away and get it. I love it. I'm going to get the stainless version. I like the white loom. The vintage loom, the vintage loom is nice. And that black, the whole DLC setup is good. And every once in a while, I feel this kind of, but at the end of the day, it's stainless. I'm doing it.
Everett Yeah. I, um, I don't, I don't, I feel the same way. The black case just doesn't, doesn't call me yet.
Andrew All right, man. Anything else you want to talk about before we go? I think it's time. All right. Well, thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20. Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Our music today is Bummin' on Tremolo by Kevin MacLeod of incompetech.com, licensed under creative commons by attribution 3.01.